RE: [h-cost] Another German Gown
http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=11507Empnum=0Inicio=91 Scroll down to portrait of a woman. look at all the slash work and white gloves. http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=11507Empnum=0Inicio=61 Scroll down to Salomé con la cabeza de San Juan Bautista #12 I can't tell if it is lace or pearlwork or both. Love the sleeves. De -Original Message- OMG ... those GLOVES That is a super super super fine leather . if it is real and not just an artist interpretation. H Does anyone know of an inventory of costumes and accessories for Katharina? Chiara Francesca ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Ideas
Maybe a Persian coat? Can you remove the quilting without leaving marks or permanent stitch holes? With satin, you are looking more at Renaissance fudging then Medieval, especially shiny satin. Your also looking at winter attire with this satin as it does not breath. Plus you should not make anything out of it that you will want to wear around a fire. If you are in SCA or similar group and if you have a coat of arms the has green in it you could use the satin for heraldic display stuff. Though it would not be material of the 1300s and 1400s, you could make a sideless surcoat. Could use it for a cloak lining. Or you could make a Florentine giornea and/or gammurra http://cadieux.mediumaevum.com/florentine.html De -Original Message- I've already used the sheets to make a simple kirtle. My problem is that I'm not exactly sure what to make out of it. Not only is it satin, but its quilted in sort of a strange way, I cannot find pictures and I would take one, but an aquaintance has my camera at the moment. The quilting is all symmetrical, in straight lines, but intead of being noral quiltingit has some of it sticking up on some of the seams, I'm not really sure how to perscribe it. I have a comforter, pillow cases and curtains. Preferably the clothing I would creat out of it would be in a medieval style. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.Thank you. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Another German Gown
http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/c/cranach/lucas_e/5/01duke.html Katharina again in an even better view. http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=11507Empnum=0Inicio=61 Scroll down to Salomé con la cabeza de San Juan Bautista #12 I can't tell if it is lace or pearlwork or both. Love the sleeves. Given the way lace developed it is highly unlikely to be lace (It was still rather geometric even in the later 16thC and delicate foliate designs, as opposed to scrolling foliate, are later still). Also the Germans were rather less fond of lace than the English, French, Lowlanders, Spanish and Italians. What little you see later tends to be understated. That is a super super super fine leather . if it is real and not just an artist interpretation. H Does anyone know of an inventory of costumes and accessories for Katharina? Not just artistic licence: http://pintura.aut.org/SearchProducto?Produnum=132982 But Cranach did tend to be a little creative with his art. Sometimes the rings under the glove sit higher on the finger than a ring over the glove. Ah Pintura. I keep forgetting you despite the many hours I have spent wasting bandwidth over you. Michaela http://gtlittersweet.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] ISBN, was 18th century costume book
Sharon Collier wrote: Dangerous Liaisons ISBN# 9-780300-107142 (I'm not sure if the 9 is part of the number. It is. The new 13-digit ISBNs all start with 978. Kate Bunting Cataloguing Data Quality Librarian University of Derby ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown
Yes, it is. It's a company that specializes on drafting patterns, modern, of course, and they sell a magazine which includes a pattern drafting section. The magazines are two: Damenrundschau and Herrenrundschau. They publish books that collect the articles in the magazines, sorted by topic, like Dresses, Coats, and Historical patterns - for men and Historical patterns - for women. I think the men's historical patterns are better, they include more patterns. But I've just glanced through, I don't have them, but am going to order them. The point is that you need to know how to make the basic dress sloper. That's explained once in a few years in the magazines or, it's in a separate book called Kleider und Blusen. But that one costs around 100 euros and there are many modern garments, variations of dresses and such. It is a very good drafting method that they use, the best and most detailed one I've tried. You've got to learn quite a lot of thinks at the beginning to understand it, but when you get into it it's quite ok. Unfortunately, they don't have any real webpage, so the only thing I could do for you is to scan what they offer and the ordering card (but I believe you can order by mail too). Here's some information: http://www.ebnerpublishing.de/index.php?start=0m1=2m2=14select=search=rundschaudetail=67 I think Fran from Lavolta Press has it, so you can ask her for her opinion, I don't know how much was she able to use it as, I think, she didn't have any information on how to do the sloper. Zuzana P.S.: All the publications are in German but you can do without the text. The only thing you have to understand is the sloper and you can get someone translate it for you - that's for all others who read this, as I believe that Bjarne can speak German... Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have a title and ISBN nr.? Seems to be a very interresting book! Bjarne - Original Message - From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown If you do pattern drafting, there is a German book on drafting historical costumes and the Cranach gown is in it, it includes the drafting of the top, sleeves (just the basic ones, all the puffs are on you), and three possibilities of how to make the skirt. I use this book a lot and though I haven't made directly this costume, the drafting methods are good and usually lead to a good solution:-) It's a publication from Rundschau, a company that makes (modern) drafting magazines. I believe it costs about 60 euros and it includes drafting instructions on women's garments from the rennaissance to the 19th century. Beteena Paradise wrote: I already have the Period Patterns one, but my previous experience with them is that it is so much work to refit the pattern that I could just as well create the pattern from scratch. Which I might just do. ;-) Otherwise I may get Kass' german ladies pattern. What did you use? Also, I was thinking of doing the alternating colors of the skirts by sewing together the bands of fabric instead of applique (reverse or regular). That is why I was concerned about he difference in weight between the damask and the silk velvet. But I could get a heavier cotton velvet which might work better and not be as slippery. I am also thinking of doing a plainer version in wool first to get the kinks worked out and then do one in the grander fabrics. Amy Cooper wrote: Have you given any thought to patterns yet? -Amy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Another German Gown
Though this is allegorical and Cranach tends to have fanciful stuff, it doesn't explain the lacy stuff under the left arm. The hemd is painted to be very sheer and there looks to be something very sheer under the forearm but the angle of the white speckle could be pearlwork on a sheer material or maybe the floral lace was made in this era. I have other garments to analyze so this one is on the back burner for now. De -Original Message- http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=11507Empnum=0Inicio=61 Scroll down to Salomé con la cabeza de San Juan Bautista #12 I can't tell if it is lace or pearlwork or both. Love the sleeves. Given the way lace developed it is highly unlikely to be lace (It was still rather geometric even in the later 16thC and delicate foliate designs, as opposed to scrolling foliate, are later still). Also the Germans were rather less fond of lace than the English, French, Lowlanders, Spanish and Italians. What little you see later tends to be understated. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 479
Sylrog asked: I'm a bit confused. Are you asking Kinkos to make copies for you or are they walking around policing people to see what they are making copies of by themselves? Yes, I have seen Kinkos staff snooping around. More often, I've seen a customer ask for help with a machine, and the staffer asks just what they want to do. (This is an entirely proper question, as you often can't tell what settings to use if you don't know what the desired result is.) So the customer shows the staffer what they want to copy, and then the staffer decrees that the customer would be violating copyright and shoos the customer out the door. The problem is that Kinkos' interpretation of Fair Use has almost always been wrong, when I've been observing. As for my own experiences, the color copy problem happened back in the days when they didn't have color copiers for public use, you had to have them do it. The problem with my bw copies for insurance documentation was that the size of the originals required the use of the extra-large platen machine. This, again, was not for general public use. Believe me, knowing Kinkos' ignorance, I would NEVER have asked them to make any copy I could do myself! It may just be that management in my region has a bug up its butt, and this policy isn't nationwide. Mary Piero Carey ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 479
As I said in a previous posting, Kinko's got into MAJOR copyright- violation trouble ten or so years ago and since then their policy has been Extreme Vigilance, to the point of absurdity. If you have something other than your own typescript or your own drawings to copy, go somewhere else. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Oct 8, 2007, at 9:30 AM, Mary + Doug Piero Carey wrote: Sylrog asked: I'm a bit confused. Are you asking Kinkos to make copies for you or are they walking around policing people to see what they are making copies of by themselves? Yes, I have seen Kinkos staff snooping around. More often, I've seen a customer ask for help with a machine, and the staffer asks just what they want to do. (This is an entirely proper question, as you often can't tell what settings to use if you don't know what the desired result is.) So the customer shows the staffer what they want to copy, and then the staffer decrees that the customer would be violating copyright and shoos the customer out the door. The problem is that Kinkos' interpretation of Fair Use has almost always been wrong, when I've been observing. As for my own experiences, the color copy problem happened back in the days when they didn't have color copiers for public use, you had to have them do it. The problem with my bw copies for insurance documentation was that the size of the originals required the use of the extra-large platen machine. This, again, was not for general public use. Believe me, knowing Kinkos' ignorance, I would NEVER have asked them to make any copy I could do myself! It may just be that management in my region has a bug up its butt, and this policy isn't nationwide. Mary Piero Carey ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown
Page 8 of this pdf document looks promising. It is pretty small, but I bet you the first 3 are what you are looking for. Sg - Original Message - From: Zuzana Kraemerova [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 3:21 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown Here's some information: http://www.ebnerpublishing.de/index.php?start=0m1=2m2=14select=search=rundschaudetail=67 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Another German Gown
Yeah, that gown has been on my to-do list for a while. It's stunning! Sharon Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ooo, lookit the one that's two down from Katharina... it's black with a gold-coloured placket and all those PEARLS!!! I want to make that one... the hat's a little wacky, but oh wow, the black--is that velvet? Pearl work all down the sides, and more beading on the gold top of the placket... Yum... :) Meli ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Used book sources
Another used book source is half.com, which is the non-auction branch of e-Bay. It's not great for the rarer costume books that we listmembers like, but it's worth checking first. This is where people unload books for $2 to $10 or so, and they have good descriptions for condition. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Used book sources
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another used book source is half.com, which is the non-auction branch of e-Bay. It's not great for the rarer costume books that we listmembers like, but it's worth checking first. This is where people unload books for $2 to $10 or so, and they have good descriptions for condition. Speaking of which, right now is prime-time for costume books on Ebay. With Halloween coming up a lot of sellers who might not otherwise bother are listing all kinds of costume and clothing titles. It's the best selection of the year, for used costume books. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Used book sources
You might also go through alibris.com. They go through major book searches, and the prices are extremely reasonable. Arlys On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:08:51 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Another used book source is half.com, which is the non-auction branch of e-Bay. It's not great for the rarer costume books that we listmembers like, but it's worth checking first. This is where people unload books for $2 to $10 or so, and they have good descriptions for condition. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown
Hi, I dont mean to inturrupts but.. If you need help with the captions nd such,I spent 5 years in German schools and though I 'm no official trnsltor,and it hs been while, Id love to help. Bambi Saragrace Knauf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Page 8 of this pdf document looks promising. It is pretty small, but I bet you the first 3 are what you are looking for. Sg - Original Message - From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 3:21 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cranach gown Here's some information: http://www.ebnerpublishing.de/index.php?start=0m1=2m2=14select=search=rundschaudetail=67 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Bambi (To be named ater) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 900ad (please correct me if i have the date wrong!) - Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Looking for an article
I'm looking for a copy of an article by Janet Arnold. The reference is: Arnold, J., Elizabethan and Jacobean smocks and shirts, Waffenund Kostumkunde, Pt. 2 (1977), pp 89-110. Does anyone know where I can get a copy of this article? Thanks! Sandy Toscano ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Another German Gown
I haven't been able to get into this site all morning. I think I know which picture you're talking about, but I can't tell! Could someone send me a .jpg of it directly? MaggiRos --- otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Though this is allegorical and Cranach tends to have fanciful stuff, it doesn't explain the lacy stuff under the left arm. The hemd is painted to be very sheer and there looks to be something very sheer under the forearm but the angle of the white speckle could be pearlwork on a sheer material or maybe the floral lace was made in this era. I have other garments to analyze so this one is on the back burner for now. De -Original Message- http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=11507Empnum=0Inicio=61 Scroll down to Salom� con la cabeza de San Juan Bautista #12 I can't tell if it is lace or pearlwork or both. Love the sleeves. Given the way lace developed it is highly unlikely to be lace (It was still rather geometric even in the later 16thC and delicate foliate designs, as opposed to scrolling foliate, are later still). Also the Germans were rather less fond of lace than the English, French, Lowlanders, Spanish and Italians. What little you see later tends to be understated. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Looking for an article
Quoting Sandy Toscano [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm looking for a copy of an article by Janet Arnold. The reference is: Arnold, J., Elizabethan and Jacobean smocks and shirts, Waffenund Kostumkunde, Pt. 2 (1977), pp 89-110. Does anyone know where I can get a copy of this article? Your library should be able to get it for you via InterLibrary Loan. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] cranach gown
I'll rather send this to all so that everyone who is interested can order something. Here: http://www.intelligenzbestien.wz.cz/images/rundschau.pdf is a list of things they offer, and there should be all information necessary for the order. The first two books are the ones that come in question, and the Kleider and Blusen book for the sloper (they claim there is one, so let's hope they're right).Anyway, I can give you this necessary sloper information myself, so that you have something to start with. Just contact me privately:-) I've called them and asked whether there was any additional information (like sloper) for the men's historical patterns necessary, and they told me no. So no need to order anything more for the men's patterns. (Actually, I wouldn't be too sure about this, but as soon as I get this book I'll let you know - I should get it till the end of October, but I hope it'll come sooner:-)) It's all in German, unfortunately, BUT as I said, you won't need it much... I don't read the texts either...even though they are interesting, but I wouldn't say necessary. You only have to understand the basics, but then it's ok... Anyway, Bambi said she would be so kind and translate something, if you needed it, and you can ask me too, but since I'm not an English native speaker, I'll never be so good:-) Zuzana - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 479
Yes but the question is, if you're copying out of a book or magazine, does someone come around and stop you? MaggiRos --- Ruth Anne Baumgartner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said in a previous posting, Kinko's got into MAJOR copyright- violation trouble ten or so years ago and since then their policy has been Extreme Vigilance, to the point of absurdity. If you have something other than your own typescript or your own drawings to copy, go somewhere else. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Oct 8, 2007, at 9:30 AM, Mary + Doug Piero Carey wrote: Sylrog asked: I'm a bit confused. Are you asking Kinkos to make copies for you or are they walking around policing people to see what they are making copies of by themselves? Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Another German Gown
I seem to be having problems as well. I'll see if it is on another site. In the mean time found this http://worldart.sjsu.edu/VieO4319$18982*2454744 As for the black w/pearls, a large clearer image http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=23244 Found it http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=23232 http://tinyurl.com/22skb2 -Original Message- I haven't been able to get into this site all morning. I think I know which picture you're talking about, but I can't tell! Could someone send me a .jpg of it directly? MaggiRos --- otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Though this is allegorical and Cranach tends to have fanciful stuff, it doesn't explain the lacy stuff under the left arm. The hemd is painted to be very sheer and there looks to be something very sheer under the forearm but the angle of the white speckle could be pearlwork on a sheer material or maybe the floral lace was made in this era. I have other garments to analyze so this one is on the back burner for now. De -Original Message- http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=11507Empnum=0Inicio=61 Scroll down to Salom� con la cabeza de San Juan Bautista #12 I can't tell if it is lace or pearlwork or both. Love the sleeves. Given the way lace developed it is highly unlikely to be lace (It was still rather geometric even in the later 16thC and delicate foliate designs, as opposed to scrolling foliate, are later still). Also the Germans were rather less fond of lace than the English, French, Lowlanders, Spanish and Italians. What little you see later tends to be understated. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Used book sources
In a message dated 10/8/2007 11:54:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Another used book source is half.com, which is the non-auction branch of e-Bay. It's not great for the rarer costume books that we listmembers like, but it's worth checking first. This is where people unload books for $2 to $10 or so, and they have good descriptions for condition. And this is the one where I've suffered the most disappointment of listed books' not being available. Ann Wass ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Used book sources
I prefer to buy from dealers I know, but usually it's just combing through the stock and seeing if there's anything interesting. I'll still ask if they can find something they don't have in stock, usually waiting until I decide I can't live without it anymore. In that case, I've used Amazon marketplace with good results. I still: 1. review the seller feedback. 2. check where the seller is located. 3. see if the seller has any other web presence. If possible I'll spend a bit more to go with a seller that's within easy driving distance, should there be a problem with the book not matching the description and quality listing. andy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Used book sources
Personally, when I want a rare antiquarian book where an expert vendor describes every nuance of the condition in paragraphs of detail, I go to an antiquarian bookseller (and one with a return policy, though I never order anything unless I'm sure I want it, so I very rarely return anything). There are a couple of associations of same who define terms, and have guidelines for members who are listing books. See: http://www.abaa.org/cgi-bin/abaa/abaapages/glossary.html http://www.ioba.org/desc.html http://www.rbms.info/yob.shtml When I want serendipitous finds at a wide range of prices, I go to eBay. Well, actually, I spend a couple of hours every day browsing eBay. I'm doing it even as I write this e-mail. For modern books I always buy in new condition wherever possible. But if the book is out of print and I have to buy a used copy, I look at Addall/used before Amazon Marketplace. That's because most of the booksellers whose merchandise is listed on Addall are pros. The one thing I don't do, is expect an amateur, nonspecialist vendor to give me the same service as a specialist, only cheaper. It's unreasonable and fruitless to expect random eBay or Marketplace sellers just trying to unload the contents of their personal library, or their grandmother's attic, to have spent the years that pros spend learning about their merchandise. When I buy on eBay, as long as they send the item and it is not really, grossly, different from the listing, I take what I get without complaint. I've been going to auctions since childhood, and that's what auctions are all about. It's a form of gambling, only at least you get something or other for your money even when you lose. Also, I've spent a great deal of time gaining expertise myself, so I don't have to rely on the vendors so much. I also don't expect a used book to be in the same condition as a new one, only cheaper. If it's in used condition, I expect it to reflect that. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Andrew T Trembley wrote: I prefer to buy from dealers I know, but usually it's just combing through the stock and seeing if there's anything interesting. I'll still ask if they can find something they don't have in stock, usually waiting until I decide I can't live without it anymore. In that case, I've used Amazon marketplace with good results. I still: 1. review the seller feedback. 2. check where the seller is located. 3. see if the seller has any other web presence. If possible I'll spend a bit more to go with a seller that's within easy driving distance, should there be a problem with the book not matching the description and quality listing. andy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Another German Gown
The hemd is painted to be very sheer and there looks to be something very sheer under the forearm I'm not sure that it is. It looks more like there was a belt originally that was painted over. The curve matches the way he painted them in other artworks. but the angle of the white speckle could be pearlwork on a sheer material or maybe the floral lace was made in this era. http://www.costumes.org/History/100pages/18THLACE.HTM http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~spok/metabook/oilace.html That latter is just for Italian laces but it does have lots of extant examples. It may well have been overpainted at a later date. Chranach was churning these ladies out like nobodies business it seems because they were a good seller. This one is a particularly rushed job compared to some of his finer more carefully painted figures. Michaela http://glittersweet.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Another German Gown
discusssion picture http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=23232 It might be lace. This sort of looks like a possibility http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/renaissance/lace/7.gif though it is not German. It is also 1598 so yes it's a far reach. :) -Original Message- The hemd is painted to be very sheer and there looks to be something very sheer under the forearm I'm not sure that it is. It looks more like there was a belt originally that was painted over. The curve matches the way he painted them in other artworks. but the angle of the white speckle could be pearlwork on a sheer material or maybe the floral lace was made in this era. http://www.costumes.org/History/100pages/18THLACE.HTM http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~spok/metabook/oilace.html That latter is just for Italian laces but it does have lots of extant examples. Cranach was churning these ladies out like nobodies business it seems because they were a good seller. This one is a particularly rushed job compared to some of his finer more carefully painted figures. Michaela http://glittersweet.com ___ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 479
The only jobs my truelove and I have tried to take to Kinko's have been oversized paper or color xeroxing, and for both we had to go to the desk and ask someone to do the copying for usprecipitating horrified refusals (see my earlier post for details). We don't go in there anymore--we go to a small but competent copy center owned by local people who DO understand fair use. So I can't tell you if my local Kinko's has people patrolling. But I'd suspect that, patrols or not, if they happened to notice someone copying out of a magazine or other bound object they'd step in. I imagine other people have more extensive experience with Kinko's and can comment more definitively. --Ruth Anne On Oct 8, 2007, at 3:47 PM, MaggiRos wrote: Yes but the question is, if you're copying out of a book or magazine, does someone come around and stop you? MaggiRos --- Ruth Anne Baumgartner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said in a previous posting, Kinko's got into MAJOR copyright- violation trouble ten or so years ago and since then their policy has been Extreme Vigilance, to the point of absurdity. If you have something other than your own typescript or your own drawings to copy, go somewhere else. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Oct 8, 2007, at 9:30 AM, Mary + Doug Piero Carey wrote: Sylrog asked: I'm a bit confused. Are you asking Kinkos to make copies for you or are they walking around policing people to see what they are making copies of by themselves? Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ideas
A persian coat might work. It is a fairly thick comforter it would be warm. It is a little shiny though. I just know I am never going to use it again as a bedspread and thought I could put it to use. Well thank you for the ideas, and if anyone thinks of anything else by all means please share *´¨) ¸.·´¸.·´¨) ¸.·*¨). (¸.·´ (¸.·´ .·´ .·´ ¸.·*`·~»*~Danielle~*»~ (¸.·´ . On 10/8/07, otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe a Persian coat? Can you remove the quilting without leaving marks or permanent stitch holes? With satin, you are looking more at Renaissance fudging then Medieval, especially shiny satin. Your also looking at winter attire with this satin as it does not breath. Plus you should not make anything out of it that you will want to wear around a fire. If you are in SCA or similar group and if you have a coat of arms the has green in it you could use the satin for heraldic display stuff. Though it would not be material of the 1300s and 1400s, you could make a sideless surcoat. Could use it for a cloak lining. Or you could make a Florentine giornea and/or gammurra http://cadieux.mediumaevum.com/florentine.html De -Original Message- I've already used the sheets to make a simple kirtle. My problem is that I'm not exactly sure what to make out of it. Not only is it satin, but its quilted in sort of a strange way, I cannot find pictures and I would take one, but an aquaintance has my camera at the moment. The quilting is all symmetrical, in straight lines, but intead of being noral quiltingit has some of it sticking up on some of the seams, I'm not really sure how to perscribe it. I have a comforter, pillow cases and curtains. Preferably the clothing I would creat out of it would be in a medieval style. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.Thank you. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- *´¨) ¸.·´¸.·´¨) ¸.·*¨). (¸.·´ (¸.·´ .·´ .·´ ¸.·*`·~»*~Danielle~*»~ (¸.·´ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Valuation of collection
Just out of curiosity would his name be Richard Collins? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MaggiRos Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:33 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Valuation of collection I have a friend who is both a lawyer and a costumed weirdo like the rest of us. He practices here in California, but he might be able to provide some guidance. Contact information available on request. MaggiRos No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.4/1057 - Release Date: 10/8/2007 9:04 AM ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Who licenses or acts as an agent for textile designs
A publisher friend of mine wants to find someone to license and market, for mass manufacture, many years' worth of batik designs, only a small number of which are represented on: http://www.alicewalkerbatik.com/Gallery/ Personally, I want the butterfly design on a velvet cape (a real shaped cape, not as shown; for which the design would probably have to be re-shaped) as an antique gold butterfly on a warm brown background, maybe with some beaded accents. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Who licenses or acts as an agent for textile designs
Lavolta Press wrote: A publisher friend of mine wants to find someone to license and market, for mass manufacture, many years' worth of batik designs, only a small number of which are represented on: Check out the Surface Design Association http://www.surfacedesign.org/ They may offer networking opportunities that could help make this happen. andy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Used book sources
Also, check Amazon/Canada and Amazon/UK. I got a copy of Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe:Unlock'd that way. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 3:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Used book sources In a message dated 10/8/2007 11:54:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Another used book source is half.com, which is the non-auction branch of e-Bay. It's not great for the rarer costume books that we listmembers like, but it's worth checking first. This is where people unload books for $2 to $10 or so, and they have good descriptions for condition. And this is the one where I've suffered the most disappointment of listed books' not being available. Ann Wass ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
