Re: [h-cost] Patents: What was this used for???
Not shure about the large flat one; but the others are for rolled hems like hankies, scarves, and promgowns. A most useful attachment! My old White had a picot attachment that would draw threads and pierce them, for insertions or other design elements . This was very useful for working on 1920's dresses and gowns. I really miss that one; have never seen it in any other box of attachments. When I was trying to identify old tools like these, I went to the local senior home and spent some time with the old gals in their work room. Great conversation and resource. kathleen - Original Message - From: Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:38 AM Subject: [h-cost] Patents: What was this used for??? I have been going through the patent website trying to find out about sewing machine attachments. I have a beautifully restored 1887 Standard treadle sewing machine in the original cabinet. It came with a box full of sewing machine attachments. I don't know what the attachments are for or how to use them. Jackpot! I found one type of my attachments on the patent site: http://www.lib.muohio.edu/epub/govlaw/FemInv/patgifs/121293/01.jpg So...what is it for? Where the flat section at the top of Fig. 1, my box is a lot longer. How does it attach to the machine? I have some similar attachments with a flatter area where the curl is located on the patent. These clearly attach to the feeder bar. This type is stamped with the Standard logo and numbered B, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, smallest to largest. My mother said these are hemmers. She was not sure if the one like in the patent was for hemming. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Patents: What was this used for???
The patent's design (with drawings showing it in action) suggests that it would make a rolled hem, or turn under the edge of the hem. The curl reminds me of the feeder shape on the tips Lacis sells for turning under the edges of fabric strips for braided rugs, and also the feeder shape for bias-binding turners. The fabric is fed in flat, and the curl turns the edge under. (I've used both, and they work very well.) The numbers might be for turn-unders of different depths, or for fabrics of different thicknesses? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner gypsy scholar and amateur costumer On Jan 22, 2008, at 2:38 AM, Penny Ladnier wrote: I have been going through the patent website trying to find out about sewing machine attachments. I have a beautifully restored 1887 Standard treadle sewing machine in the original cabinet. It came with a box full of sewing machine attachments. I don't know what the attachments are for or how to use them. Jackpot! I found one type of my attachments on the patent site: http://www.lib.muohio.edu/epub/govlaw/FemInv/patgifs/121293/01.jpg So...what is it for? Where the flat section at the top of Fig. 1, my box is a lot longer. How does it attach to the machine? I have some similar attachments with a flatter area where the curl is located on the patent. These clearly attach to the feeder bar. This type is stamped with the Standard logo and numbered B, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, smallest to largest. My mother said these are hemmers. She was not sure if the one like in the patent was for hemming. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Patents: What was this used for???
Penny Ladnier wrote: Jackpot! I found one type of my attachments on the patent site: http://www.lib.muohio.edu/epub/govlaw/FemInv/patgifs/121293/01.jpg So...what is it for? Where the flat section at the top of Fig. 1, my box is a lot longer. How does it attach to the machine? I have some similar attachments with a flatter area where the curl is located on the patent. These clearly attach to the feeder bar. This type is stamped with the Standard logo and numbered B, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, smallest to largest. My mother said these are hemmers. She was not sure if the one like in the patent was for hemming. Your mother is correct, for the most part. There are some specialized variants on hemmers too. Here are a few (much newer) manual pages featuring hemmers, fellers and other such feet: Kenmore Rotary, P13-16: http://tinyurl.com/3x2kvr White Family Rotary, P12-14: http://tinyurl.com/2jwpjz Elna Supermatic, P31: http://tinyurl.com/2x2bnd Elna Supermatic, P55-56: http://tinyurl.com/2wkfnn Pfaff 332, P39-42: http://tinyurl.com/24r666 As for this one in particular? Google Patent Search to the rescue! The full patent text says it's an edger and feller. http://www.google.com/patents?id=70NtEBAJdq=121293 It looks like it's designed to attach to the work table just ahead of the presser foot to aid in feeding material to the presser foot, rather than being integrated into the foot like later designs. andy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Colored shirts in the 16th century?
There are two extant sections of probably a child's excavated shirt in the Museum of London, made of black/very dark blue fabric, cartridge pleated at the wrist and held with decorative smocking stitches in white, now cream, thread. They're loosely dated 16th century but were found in sites that yielded the range of c. 1500-60 flat knitted caps, so are probably earlier than the later 16th c. On 18 Jan 2008, at 7.02 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone ever come across a reference to a colored shirt, perhaps black or blue in color, in any contemporary reference of the later 16th century in England or nearby? While I am skeptical, any information would be greatly appreciated. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: Colored shirts in the 16th century?
Okay this doesn't make sense. How can one item be found at several sites? Note: you can find items in one spot from various eras, especially if it is a dump spot. -Original Message- but were found in sites that yielded the range of c. 1500-60 flat knitted caps, so are probably earlier than the later 16th c. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Patents: What was this used for???
One thing you need to remember is that patents are taken out for many things which are never manufactured. Having an interesting design and wanting to protect it while you look for funds, etc. is one thing. Getting the funds and setting up manufacturing is another. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Penny Ladnier wrote: I have been going through the patent website trying to find out about sewing machine attachments. I have a beautifully restored 1887 Standard treadle sewing machine in the original cabinet. It came with a box full of sewing machine attachments. I don't know what the attachments are for or how to use them. Jackpot! I found one type of my attachments on the patent site: http://www.lib.muohio.edu/epub/govlaw/FemInv/patgifs/121293/01.jpg So...what is it for? Where the flat section at the top of Fig. 1, my box is a lot longer. How does it attach to the machine? I have some similar attachments with a flatter area where the curl is located on the patent. These clearly attach to the feeder bar. This type is stamped with the Standard logo and numbered B, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, smallest to largest. My mother said these are hemmers. She was not sure if the one like in the patent was for hemming. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: Colored shirts in the 16th century?
At 20:11 22/01/2008, you wrote: Okay this doesn't make sense. How can one item be found at several sites? Note: you can find items in one spot from various eras, especially if it is a dump spot. -Original Message- but were found in sites that yielded the range of c. 1500-60 flat knitted caps, so are probably earlier than the later 16th c. Yes it does - Hilary's message said There are two extant sections of probably a child's excavated shirt in the Museum of London, made of black/very dark blue fabric In other words, 2 pieces, so not one item at all, but pieces of one item. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: Colored shirts in the 16th century?
Thank you. -Original Message- Yes it does - Hilary's message said There are two extant sections of probably a child's excavated shirt in the Museum of London, made of black/very dark blue fabric In other words, 2 pieces, so not one item at all, but pieces of one item. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: Colored shirts in the 16th century?
At 01:55 PM 1/22/2008, you wrote: At 20:11 22/01/2008, you wrote: Okay this doesn't make sense. How can one item be found at several sites? Note: you can find items in one spot from various eras, especially if it is a dump spot. -Original Message- but were found in sites that yielded the range of c. 1500-60 flat knitted caps, so are probably earlier than the later 16th c. Yes it does - Hilary's message said There are two extant sections of probably a child's excavated shirt in the Museum of London, made of black/very dark blue fabric In other words, 2 pieces, so not one item at all, but pieces of one item. Suzi What evidence is there that this garment is not a smock, which is an outer garment worn over the shirt? What fiber is it made of? Wool? Silk? Linen? I have many questions that I would like to see answered before I would conclude that this is a shirt, i.e., worn next to the skin with nothing else under it. Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 60s source material available
Send me a mailing address and they're yours. I think there are 2 Hildebrants and the Tim Kirk, plus one more if Sharon doesn't want it. I believe the one with Tolkien's own paintings in it is the one she's asking about, and I wrote her back but she hasn't replied yet. I'll give her another day or so, just in case. Sure you don't want the Beatles stuff? :-) Maggie --- Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be interested in the old LotR calendars--as many as you can spare! Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net http://historicalfictionbooks.ning.com/profile/MarjorieGilbert - Original Message - From: Sharon Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Historical Costume' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 7:50 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] 60s source material available Do any of the LotR calendars have the map, with all 7 of the Fellowship walking next to each other across either the top or bottom? I remember a poster like that and was trying to show it to my 12 yr old. If so, I'd love it. Sharon Collier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MaggiRos Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:04 PM To: Historical Costume; Kate; Jess Malcom; Regina Voorhes Subject: [h-cost] 60s source material available Hi all, I just pulled down a huge box from the top of the closet and found a bunch of stuff from high school. Most of it is crap, but there are a half dozen or so magazines (Tiger Beat or whatever) that fall into the category we called Beatles magazines. They're full of the Beatles and other teen stuff, including current, mid- to late-60s fashions. If you want them, I'm willing pack em up and send 'em for shipping costs from California. There are also a number classic Lord of the Rings calendars, for you fantasy costumers. These are from the mid 70s, mostly by the Hildebrandt brothers, and one by Tim Kirk (autographed on the box it came in!). Same terms. Help me clear my closets! First come first serve. MaggiRos Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 60s source material available
Cool, beans, how exciting. My mailing address is PO Box 31, East Poland, Maine 04230. Sorry, not much of a Beatles fan, I like them well enough, but... What do you need for postage? Thank you so much! My girls (6 and 8) are avid Lord of the Rings fans, especially the BBC radio version, and have written Bill Nye at least three letters (he's replied back twice). They'll be thrilled with the calendars! Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net http://historicalfictionbooks.ning.com/profile/MarjorieGilbert - Original Message - From: MaggiRos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 60s source material available Send me a mailing address and they're yours. I think there are 2 Hildebrants and the Tim Kirk, plus one more if Sharon doesn't want it. I believe the one with Tolkien's own paintings in it is the one she's asking about, and I wrote her back but she hasn't replied yet. I'll give her another day or so, just in case. Sure you don't want the Beatles stuff? :-) Maggie --- Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be interested in the old LotR calendars--as many as you can spare! Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net http://historicalfictionbooks.ning.com/profile/MarjorieGilbert - Original Message - From: Sharon Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Historical Costume' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 7:50 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] 60s source material available Do any of the LotR calendars have the map, with all 7 of the Fellowship walking next to each other across either the top or bottom? I remember a poster like that and was trying to show it to my 12 yr old. If so, I'd love it. Sharon Collier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MaggiRos Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:04 PM To: Historical Costume; Kate; Jess Malcom; Regina Voorhes Subject: [h-cost] 60s source material available Hi all, I just pulled down a huge box from the top of the closet and found a bunch of stuff from high school. Most of it is crap, but there are a half dozen or so magazines (Tiger Beat or whatever) that fall into the category we called Beatles magazines. They're full of the Beatles and other teen stuff, including current, mid- to late-60s fashions. If you want them, I'm willing pack em up and send 'em for shipping costs from California. There are also a number classic Lord of the Rings calendars, for you fantasy costumers. These are from the mid 70s, mostly by the Hildebrandt brothers, and one by Tim Kirk (autographed on the box it came in!). Same terms. Help me clear my closets! First come first serve. MaggiRos Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Vikings? What Vikings? We are but poor, simple farmers. The village was burning when we got here. Anon. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Colored shirts in the 16th century?
What evidence is there that this garment is not a smock, which is an outer garment worn over the shirt? What fiber is it made of? Wool? Silk? Linen? I have many questions that I would like to see answered before I would conclude that this is a shirt, i.e., worn next to the skin with nothing else under it. A sleeve fragment found in Worship Street, circa 1501-1599, wool and silk, 200mm at widest. A fragment of garment probably part of a sleeve, with gathered cuff and embroidery (smocking). Dark brown weave wool, fragmentary, with fraying edges. http://www.pleatworkembroidery.com/recreating.php Others may be able to say for sure if woollens were ever worn directly against the body. Regards, Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Patents: What was this used for???
They look like attachments for doing a rolled hem. Shirley --- On Tue, 1/22/08, Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Patents: What was this used for??? To: h-costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008, 12:38 AM I have been going through the patent website trying to find out about sewing machine attachments. I have a beautifully restored 1887 Standard treadle sewing machine in the original cabinet. It came with a box full of sewing machine attachments. I don't know what the attachments are for or how to use them. Jackpot! I found one type of my attachments on the patent site: http://www.lib.muohio.edu/epub/govlaw/FemInv/patgifs/121293/01.jpg So...what is it for? Where the flat section at the top of Fig. 1, my box is a lot longer. How does it attach to the machine? I have some similar attachments with a flatter area where the curl is located on the patent. These clearly attach to the feeder bar. This type is stamped with the Standard logo and numbered B, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, smallest to largest. My mother said these are hemmers. She was not sure if the one like in the patent was for hemming. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Patents: What was this used for???
Penny, it looks like a hemmer to me, that attaches to the bed of the machine. If you are going to play with your treadle you should get over to treadleon.net and join that mailing list, for people who use their old treadles. You will enjoy it, I'm sure. -Megan On Jan 22, 2008, at 2:38 AM, Penny Ladnier wrote: I have been going through the patent website trying to find out about sewing machine attachments. I have a beautifully restored 1887 Standard treadle sewing machine in the original cabinet. It came with a box full of sewing machine attachments. I don't know what the attachments are for or how to use them. Jackpot! I found one type of my attachments on the patent site: http://www.lib.muohio.edu/epub/govlaw/FemInv/patgifs/121293/01.jpg So...what is it for? Where the flat section at the top of Fig. 1, my box is a lot longer. How does it attach to the machine? I have some similar attachments with a flatter area where the curl is located on the patent. These clearly attach to the feeder bar. This type is stamped with the Standard logo and numbered B, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, smallest to largest. My mother said these are hemmers. She was not sure if the one like in the patent was for hemming. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Patents: What was this used for???
Many thanks to everyone for the advice. Andy, thank you for the links to the attachment manuals. They are very helpful in how to use my attachments. Megan, thank you for the link to the treadleon website. The site has some very helpful advice. On this webpage http://www.treadleon.net/sewingmachineshop/atttachmentsmanual/attachments.html there is an image of attachments. I have several of these attachments. Oh happy day! Fun days ahead trying these out! The hemmers that I have are found in figure #1 and labeled 77, 78, 79, 81, 82, 83. I have most of the attachments in this manual. As for the patent site... I am halfway through the website's listings. I like Fran am aware that many patents are filed and may not be mass-produced. I have been printing out the illustrations of the products that I have seen in collections. Lots of printer paper!!! But it will be a good reference to use. With Andy's Google patent search link, I am going to try to find the patent typed pages to accompany the illustrations. Many thanks to everyone again! You have made me a happy girl! Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 60s source material available ***** Still Got The Beatles?????*******
Hi Maggie, I you still have the Beatles stuff left, I'll gladly take it. please tell me the how and how much. Melody MaggiRos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure you don't want the Beatles stuff? :-) Maggie - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
