Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip
Well, if someone is PA Dutch or from Western PA or from South Philadelphia, you should be able to tell, youse guys! KY and TN sound very different from TX. Candace Perry Bally, PA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dianne Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:07 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip Trust an American not to know the difference between Yorkshire and Cockney accents! I believe Bernard Cornwell originally created Sharpe as a Londoner, but Sean Bean comes from Sheffield. Can you tell the difference between a Michigan accent and a Pennsylvania accent? How about Kentucky and Texas? Dianne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip
Trust an American not to know the difference between Yorkshire and Cockney accents! I believe Bernard Cornwell originally created Sharpe as a Londoner, but Sean Bean comes from Sheffield. Can you tell the difference between a Michigan accent and a Pennsylvania accent? How about Kentucky and Texas? Dianne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Adding color to silk
Acrylic will make it stiff. -Original Message- I have a length of silk taffeta that has an embroidery pattern that is invokative of an Elizabethan pattern, except that it is all off-white on off-white. I would like to add color to the flowers without embroidering them all. So I was thinking of painting dabs or washes of color to those flowers. I know that there are special paints that are typically used on silk, but I was wondering about using paints closer to hand - watercolors, gouaches, acryllics and oils? I can't imagine that watercolors or oils would work well at all. I would either use acrylic, heavily thinned with a textile medium, or bite the bullet and buy silk paints from Dharma. Dianne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip
I went and checked with my husband about the original books, I assume that's what the writer was referring to. But it would be worrying if people then listened to Sean Bean's accent and thought Ah, that's what Cockney is! Jean Kate M Bunting wrote: Trust an American not to know the difference between Yorkshire and Cockney accents! I believe Bernard Cornwell originally created Sharpe as a Londoner, but Sean Bean comes from Sheffield. Saragrace wrote: I know this may start a firestorm, but I saw this and was wondering why it had taken so long for the media to pick up on this. Of course I know there are lots of opinions on how accurate any of it is with respect to costume, but I think it is kind of cool how the emphasis on making history more accessible through documentary, TV series and movies is making the sport of costuming so much more popular. http://tv.msn.com/tv/hiphistory?GT1=ENTERTAINMENT5 Sg Kate Bunting Cataloguing Data Quality Librarian University of Derby ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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well, the Yunzers of Pittsburg probably would! Kathleen - Original Message - From: Candace Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Historical Costume' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip Well, if someone is PA Dutch or from Western PA or from South Philadelphia, you should be able to tell, youse guys! KY and TN sound very different from TX. Candace Perry Bally, PA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dianne Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:07 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip Trust an American not to know the difference between Yorkshire and Cockney accents! I believe Bernard Cornwell originally created Sharpe as a Londoner, but Sean Bean comes from Sheffield. Can you tell the difference between a Michigan accent and a Pennsylvania accent? How about Kentucky and Texas? Dianne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Adding color to silk
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Dianne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't imagine that watercolors or oils would work well at all. I would either use acrylic, heavily thinned with a textile medium, or bite the bullet and buy silk paints from Dharma. Dianne Thanks to all that have commented. I just have a question, for those that reccomended acrylic paints, do you use oil paints at all? One of my thoughts here, is that we have some evidence that fabrics were painted on for clothing prior to 1600, if only for children's or special occasion clothing that wasn't worn more than once or twice. There is the painting of Elizabeth from Bess of Hardwick Hall fame that looks to be painted fabric - though whether that was a real dress is not certain either. Anyway, it would seem like the oil paint would have been what was used to permanently mark fabric. I have only just begun working with oil paints myself, so I don't know how they handle in this case, whereas I have used acrylics on fabric. I had found that if the paint is thinned it doesn't crack or flaked, but the chance it will soak to areas you don't want, can be problematic. I suspect that I will be marking out the outfit I am making on my fabric, and then I'll test painting techniques on the scraps. Purchasing additional/specialty paints and dyes at this point is cost prohibitive when I do have these other paints in house and I'm sitting at home right now waiting for the plumber to show. thanks alex -- I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday... ;) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip
Or from Pittsburgh, y'uns. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Candace Perry Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:27 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip Well, if someone is PA Dutch or from Western PA or from South Philadelphia, you should be able to tell, youse guys! KY and TN sound very different from TX. Candace Perry Bally, PA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dianne Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:07 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip Trust an American not to know the difference between Yorkshire and Cockney accents! I believe Bernard Cornwell originally created Sharpe as a Londoner, but Sean Bean comes from Sheffield. Can you tell the difference between a Michigan accent and a Pennsylvania accent? How about Kentucky and Texas? Dianne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Adding color to silk
In a message dated 4/1/2008 9:42:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyway, it would seem like the oil paint would have been what was used to permanently mark fabric. I have only just begun working with oil paints myself, so I don't know how they handle in this case, ** They had other [water based] media back then. They didn't have to use oil paint. gauche anyone? And oil painting is usually done on fabric...a canvas, y'know. But it is heavily gessoed. Painting with oils on raw, unsized fabric creates all sorts of problems. Besides, it takes a long time...days...weeksmonthsfor oil paint to [really] dry. I recently saw a exhibit at the Hirshhorn Museum of artists Morris Louis, who painted in acrylic washes on unprimed canvas and started the color field movement. There was a section on restorations of the 60's canvases from other artists in this group who painted with oil on raw canvas. The restorers have to contend with the oils spreading out from painted areas and the damage done to the cloth by the chemical reactions of pigments and oils. **Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15ncid=aolhom000301) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip
Sometimes it is difficult to pick up accents and how people will react. My Dad was born and raised in New York State. The accent there is quite different than the Bronx, for example. Twenty years in the Air Force and thirty years in Nebraska erased his NYS accent--he and two of his sisters sounded quite different to me as a teenager from my two aunts that remained in their home state. Eighteen years in northern Arkansas, gave he and my Mom a bit of Arkansas/southern Missouri twang, but not much. Mom was raised in western Iowa, but she and I pronounced drama and wash differently. I say dra-ma and wash; she said warsh and draama. Both are correct for each state, but we argued a lot about it. When I went to school in Minneapolis, MN, I was teased for a Nebraska accent. What is interesting is that language experts are making a lot of discoveries of simularities between some area accents in Britain and some American accents, usually in rural areas. Cindy Abel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rickard, Patty Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:10 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip Or from Pittsburgh, y'uns. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Candace Perry Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:27 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip Well, if someone is PA Dutch or from Western PA or from South Philadelphia, you should be able to tell, youse guys! KY and TN sound very different from TX. Candace Perry Bally, PA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dianne Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:07 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip Trust an American not to know the difference between Yorkshire and Cockney accents! I believe Bernard Cornwell originally created Sharpe as a Londoner, but Sean Bean comes from Sheffield. Can you tell the difference between a Michigan accent and a Pennsylvania accent? How about Kentucky and Texas? Dianne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] John Adams HBO series
Pierre Sandy Pettinger wrote: Hello, all! Has anyone been watching the HBO series, John Adams? What is your general impression of: Costumes - both the principal characters and the general populace/servants/etc.? I've seen the first two parts. I'm no expert on the period but it's obvious that they've come down with olde tyme disease, trying to make everything look old fashioned. All the costumes are unnaturally drab and dull, and very plain. There's no embroidery, no color, and no texture to anything. I've seen late 18th century clothing in pictures and in person and it is sometimes vibrantly colored, even simple men's suits had color and decoration. Mrs. Adams doesn't seem to own a single ruffle or a flowered dress so common to the period. Even her dinner gown in the first episode was very drab even if it was silk. I did like seeing Mr Adams and the others in wigs, and having them removed every now and then for comfort. It seemed very natural and normal and added a lot. Some of the events have been adjusted for dramatic purposes, for example, the British attack in Concord at the Old North Bridge is nowhere near the Adams homestead and would have been a ride of some 20 miles as the crow flies. Likewise, the captured cannon from Ft Ticonderoga would not have gone on the road past the Adams home, it's 10-15 miles out of the way. Servants? What servants? I'd expect the Adams' to have a couple farmhands and at least one girl in the house, but I've seen none. There's no way Abigail is running the farm by herself with 3 small kids. They might have a cow and some chickens, but no way there's a crop coming without help. Despite that I'm actually enjoying the show. It's nice to get period programming even if they do take a few liberties. I don't think this story has been completely butchered. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost] OT - Accents - was Making history hip
Regionalisms are just as much fun as accents - the Dictionary of American Regional English (DARE project) is very compelling. Patty What is interesting is that language experts are making a lot of discoveries of simularities between some area accents in Britain and some American accents, usually in rural areas. Cindy Abel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost] Regional accents, was Making history hip
-- Dianne wrote: Can you tell the difference between a Michigan accent and a Pennsylvania accent? How about Kentucky and Texas? OK, point taken! and Jean Waddie wrote: I went and checked with my husband about the original books, I assume that's what the writer was referring to. But it would be worrying if people then listened to Sean Bean's accent and thought Ah, that's what Cockney is! I read once that Bernard Cornwell originally envisaged Sharpe as a dark-haired Cockney, but after Sean Bean had made the role so much his own, even he started to think of him as a fair-haired Yorkshireman. Kate Bunting Cataloguing Data Quality Librarian University of Derby ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip
And Kentucky is different than Tennessee. :) For the most part, the same is said about every state/region. Sarah K Wisconsin (but have been asked on a number of occasions if I were from Canada!) Well, if someone is PA Dutch or from Western PA or from South Philadelphia, you should be able to tell, youse guys! KY and TN sound very different from TX. Candace Perry Bally, PA ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] John Adams HBO series
In a message dated 4/1/2008 11:29:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All the costumes are unnaturally drab and dull, and very plain. There's no embroidery, no color, and no texture to anything. *** This may be a reaction to Gilbert Stuart and the pallet of his paintings. That seems just like something an art director would do. **Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15ncid=aolhom000301) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] John Adams HBO series
I haven't watched the series, so I have no business replying most likely, but if you look at portraits of John he was pretty conservative. I think there's a famous Copley portrait (please correct me if I'm wrong) of the couple and they are quite plain as it were. They weren't like the Virginians. Candace Perry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 4:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] John Adams HBO series In a message dated 4/1/2008 11:29:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All the costumes are unnaturally drab and dull, and very plain. There's no embroidery, no color, and no texture to anything. *** This may be a reaction to Gilbert Stuart and the pallet of his paintings. That seems just like something an art director would do. **Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15ncid=aolhom0 00301) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] John Adams HBO series
It could have been a way to show the differences between patriotic Americans versus Tories, British and French to the audience,(serious Americans vs frivolous everyone else) even though this probably didn't exist. Could also have been a cost-cutting measure as well as an artistic decision, because plain, neutral costumes take less time to make. See the film Man of All Seasons from the '60's when the interpretation of costume equalled drab for all but the highest nobility. Plain, sad-colored costumes would also keep the audience's attention on the actor's faces, not fixated on a beautiful print gown or a wonderfully embroidered waistcoat(darn!). Cindy Abel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 3:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] John Adams HBO series In a message dated 4/1/2008 11:29:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All the costumes are unnaturally drab and dull, and very plain. There's no embroidery, no color, and no texture to anything. *** This may be a reaction to Gilbert Stuart and the pallet of his paintings. That seems just like something an art director would do. **Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15ncid=aol hom000301) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Adding color to silk
Doesn't the oil in the paint spread, making an oil spot? I've never used oils, as in theatre we can't have flammable paints. Before acrylics, we used to make our own paint, using hoof-and-horn glue. We called it casein paint. You mixed the ground up stuff (hooves and horns, apparently) up with water, heated it and mixed in dry pigment. Perhaps this is what they used in olden times for fabric. You can still get that kind of glue-it's called mucilage or possibly hide glue, the brown stuff that used to come in a glass bottle with an angled rubber top. It's hard to find, though. If your local stationary or craft store doesn't have it, try a wood working store. You can mix it with dry paint pigment or dye (if the dye is alcohol based, you have to dissolve the dye in alcohol first, but then can mix in the thinned glue. If I recall correctly; I haven't done this in years.) You could use poster paints for the colorant, they are just dry pigment without a binder. The glue acts as a binder. Another name for this might be milk paint. This is sometimes found on old furniture. Apparently it's a pain to remove from furniture if you're refinishing. I've never come across it myself, but I think it's a version of this type of casein-based paint. Sharon C. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexandria Doyle Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:41 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Adding color to silk On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Dianne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't imagine that watercolors or oils would work well at all. I would either use acrylic, heavily thinned with a textile medium, or bite the bullet and buy silk paints from Dharma. Dianne Thanks to all that have commented. I just have a question, for those that reccomended acrylic paints, do you use oil paints at all? One of my thoughts here, is that we have some evidence that fabrics were painted on for clothing prior to 1600, if only for children's or special occasion clothing that wasn't worn more than once or twice. There is the painting of Elizabeth from Bess of Hardwick Hall fame that looks to be painted fabric - though whether that was a real dress is not certain either. Anyway, it would seem like the oil paint would have been what was used to permanently mark fabric. I have only just begun working with oil paints myself, so I don't know how they handle in this case, whereas I have used acrylics on fabric. I had found that if the paint is thinned it doesn't crack or flaked, but the chance it will soak to areas you don't want, can be problematic. I suspect that I will be marking out the outfit I am making on my fabric, and then I'll test painting techniques on the scraps. Purchasing additional/specialty paints and dyes at this point is cost prohibitive when I do have these other paints in house and I'm sitting at home right now waiting for the plumber to show. thanks alex -- I'm buying this fabric/book now in case I have an emergency...you know, having to suddenly make presents for everyone, sickness,flood, injury, mosquito infestations, not enough silk in the house, it's Friday... ;) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip
There's an island off the Carolina coast, which, until they got a bridge and satellite TV, had an almost perfect version of a 16th century eastern English accent, which has died out/changed in England. My mom is frequently asked if she is from New York, but she is a native San Franciscan. The accent is similar, apparently. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Abel, Cynthia Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:59 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip Sometimes it is difficult to pick up accents and how people will react. My Dad was born and raised in New York State. The accent there is quite different than the Bronx, for example. Twenty years in the Air Force and thirty years in Nebraska erased his NYS accent--he and two of his sisters sounded quite different to me as a teenager from my two aunts that remained in their home state. Eighteen years in northern Arkansas, gave he and my Mom a bit of Arkansas/southern Missouri twang, but not much. Mom was raised in western Iowa, but she and I pronounced drama and wash differently. I say dra-ma and wash; she said warsh and draama. Both are correct for each state, but we argued a lot about it. When I went to school in Minneapolis, MN, I was teased for a Nebraska accent. What is interesting is that language experts are making a lot of discoveries of simularities between some area accents in Britain and some American accents, usually in rural areas. Cindy Abel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rickard, Patty Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:10 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip Or from Pittsburgh, y'uns. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Candace Perry Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:27 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip Well, if someone is PA Dutch or from Western PA or from South Philadelphia, you should be able to tell, youse guys! KY and TN sound very different from TX. Candace Perry Bally, PA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dianne Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:07 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip Trust an American not to know the difference between Yorkshire and Cockney accents! I believe Bernard Cornwell originally created Sharpe as a Londoner, but Sean Bean comes from Sheffield. Can you tell the difference between a Michigan accent and a Pennsylvania accent? How about Kentucky and Texas? Dianne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] John Adams HBO series
When they showed the first continental congress, there was a bit more variety of costume. People from the south, like Jefferson, were wearing silk and colors, I think Jefferson's coat was lavender. They were definitely more dandified than the Boston delegation. Though still rather plain. Katy On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Abel, Cynthia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It could have been a way to show the differences between patriotic Americans versus Tories, British and French to the audience,(serious Americans vs frivolous everyone else) even though this probably didn't exist. Could also have been a cost-cutting measure as well as an artistic decision, because plain, neutral costumes take less time to make. See the film Man of All Seasons from the '60's when the interpretation of costume equalled drab for all but the highest nobility. Plain, sad-colored costumes would also keep the audience's attention on the actor's faces, not fixated on a beautiful print gown or a wonderfully embroidered waistcoat(darn!). Cindy Abel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 3:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] John Adams HBO series In a message dated 4/1/2008 11:29:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All the costumes are unnaturally drab and dull, and very plain. There's no embroidery, no color, and no texture to anything. *** This may be a reaction to Gilbert Stuart and the pallet of his paintings. That seems just like something an art director would do. **Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15ncid=aol hom000301) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip
In a message dated 4/1/2008 5:32:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There's an island off the Carolina coast, which, until they got a bridge and satellite TV, had an almost perfect version of a 16th century eastern English accent ** Ocracoke Island STILL doesn't have a bridge. Remnants of this accent can be heard on the coast of all the mid-Atlantic states, but it was particularly acute on the almost inaccessible Outer Banks Of NC. We used to call people who spoke that way Hoi Toiders [High Tiders]. **Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15ncid=aolhom000301) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] H-costumers at CostumeCon
As probably the closest one to the Con (it's 2miles from my house) I thought I'd start the discussion. Who's going? Should we meet for tea photo ops? Shall we wear our Scarlet Letters? --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Elizabethan world
I'm not sure who put in that posting, but I can't get the website to open. Does anyone know anything about the book? Thanks Carol Carol Mitchell listowner Costumemidwest www.yahoogroups.com/group/costumemidwest - You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip
Most versions I have heard of this refer to Tangiers Island, which is off of Virginia not the Carolinas, I have heard references to the Carolinas and even the Ozarks! Tangiers is still accessible only by ferry. Of course none of the various places in America I have heard touted as having a surviving 16th century accent were in fact settled in that period! Ron Carnegie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharon Collier Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:32 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip There's an island off the Carolina coast, which, until they got a bridge and satellite TV, had an almost perfect version of a 16th century eastern English accent, which has died out/changed in England. My mom is frequently asked if she is from New York, but she is a native San Franciscan. The accent is similar, apparently. -Original Message- ndra.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rickard, Patty Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:10 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] H-costumers at CostumeCon
Hi, Cin, I'm going. What's this about scarlet letters? Sharon Collier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cin Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 4:17 PM To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] H-costumers at CostumeCon As probably the closest one to the Con (it's 2miles from my house) I thought I'd start the discussion. Who's going? Should we meet for tea photo ops? Shall we wear our Scarlet Letters? --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Danish Living History Site - WOW!
Hi all, my friend Camilla Luise Dahl who is a costume historian in Denmark, pointed me to their latest project. Sorry for the cross posts, but I wanted to get to as many folks as I could. Very cool headdresses!! As Camilla and I spoke last night, they will really make you wonder why the heart shaped Attifet worn by Mary Queen of Scots is attributed to her - looks like they came from here! http://www.livinghistory.dk/index.html There are lots of wonderful pictures, gravestones, and effigies here which are probably rarely seen by most people. They are from the churches around Denmark. Most of the pictures I think are donor pictures. I don't read Danish, but you can basically pick any of the menus from the home page - most will take you to an album of churches. Click on the church and then you should see a selection of paintings. Each painting has several detailed shots. All are available for download in high definition. If you want just an overview of the goodies go here: http://www.livinghistory.dk/top10/top10.html or here http://livinghistory.dk/Pibekraver/index.html But there are many many more cool ones. The date range is from late 1500s to late 1600s (there may even be some later). You can use the search box to narrow it down a bit: For instance 1590-99 (but it appears that it must be in that format) Happy Browsing! Saragrace ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Knife pleating:
Hello, I bought material to make my first bustle dress, I am going to try and emulate a gown I have in a La Mode Parisiennes fashion plate from 1880 with consideration of Edna Pontellier's white cotton ensemble at the beginning of Grand Isle. What I am trying to get down is how to do knife pleating. I have read many different instructions on how to make the pleats, but how can one acheive a sharp pleat that holds through the whole length to the bottom edge? The material I am using is like a lightly woven, delicately stiffened, cotton linen with mild sheen to it and can imagine it would crease well but how can I get it to hold the shape? I have heard of permanent press, is there a chemical used professionally to create permanent creases? Justine. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] H-costumers at CostumeCon
Me too and I'm just as curious. Margaret Decker Hi, Cin, I'm going. What's this about scarlet letters? Sharon Collier As probably the closest one to the Con (it's 2miles from my house) I thought I'd start the discussion. Who's going? Should we meet for tea photo ops? Shall we wear our Scarlet Letters? --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Regional accents
I've lived in Nebraska all my life, but I seem to have a talent for language - I've managed to fool people (not native to the described areas) that I'm from New York City/Brooklyn and also from the U. K. If I talk to someone for more than a few minutes, I start to pick up their accent. Sandy P.S. - Cindy, I say wash too. At 11:31 AM 4/1/2008, you wrote: Dianne wrote: Can you tell the difference between a Michigan accent and a Pennsylvania accent? How about Kentucky and Texas? OK, point taken! and Jean Waddie wrote: I went and checked with my husband about the original books, I assume that's what the writer was referring to. But it would be worrying if people then listened to Sean Bean's accent and thought Ah, that's what Cockney is! I read once that Bernard Cornwell originally envisaged Sharpe as a dark-haired Cockney, but after Sean Bean had made the role so much his own, even he started to think of him as a fair-haired Yorkshireman. Kate Bunting Cataloguing Data Quality Librarian University of Derby Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm The Illusion of Historical Fact -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
