Re: [h-cost] Do anyone know this lady? (Italian portrait)
Thank you! That's perfect! Liadain THL Liadain ni Mhordha OFO You get a wonderful view from the point of no return... http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://practicalblackwork.com -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 8:40 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Do anyone know this lady? (Italian portrait) about 1530-32 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Victorian-era civilian events in the Washington, DC area?
A friend at work who is interested in Victorian literature asks whether there are Victorian-era civilian events that he could go observe in the Washington, DC area (he's not a reenactor). Any suggestions? It's out of the timeframe I usually do. Thanks, Mara - http://www.marariley.net - 18th century research and knitting patterns Ravelry: corbiegirl Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. - Voltaire ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Victorian-era civilian events in the Washington, DC area?
Mara, Baltimore isn't that far away - how about the Poe Funeral in Oct? http://www.poebicentennial.com/events.html -Judy Mitchell Mara Riley wrote: A friend at work who is interested in Victorian literature asks whether there are Victorian-era civilian events that he could go observe in the Washington, DC area (he's not a reenactor). Any suggestions? It's out of the timeframe I usually do. Thanks, Mara ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Viking alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland?
What kinds of fibers would the scraelings have had to weave with? They didn't have sheep for wool, did they? And linen is an Old World crop and cotton doesn't grow that far north, as far as I know. I am completely ignorant of Native American costume from that region, so what would they have made clothes and blankets out of? Tea Rose -- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:02:26 -0400 From: Elena House exst...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Viking alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland? Message-ID: 9ec4d8740909291002l509cddb0h8ce2c303b28a4...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2009/9/29 K?the Barrows kay...@gmail.com: And I was thinking how they would look by the 21st century. [snip] I'm thinking especially of leather; there's been a lot of discussion of leather being used for this, that, or the other historical garment, and the general concensus seems to be either, shyeah, right or later on, maybe once in a blue moon, but not typically. Right now I'm picturing a deerskin redingote (or better yet, schaube) and liking it... -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Modern Ballroom gowns clearly inspired by historical dress
Hi Sid - I know you asked for modern dress and were reminded that this is a historical list. However I do try to collect images of modern dress that is clearly inspired by or a literal knock off of garments from the past. My most recent find was Miley Cyrus' gown by Zuhair Murhad from the Oscars. IT is a clear Homage to the Dior 1949 Junon dress at the Metropolitan museum in New York - google either to get the images. You might like the other designs by Murhad as well. I hope this makes it relevant to the list -- do the rest of you see in modern clothing? 2. Ballroom gowns (Sid Young) -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:17:44 +1000 From: Sid Young sid.yo...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Ballroom gowns Message-ID: 674184e90909291717m642cf6e4kf4615cf64046b...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi ladies (and gentlemen), I need some links to some modern ballroom gowns... can you email me your favourites. Thanks Sidney ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Viking alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland?
What kinds of fibers would the scraelings have had to weave with? Strips of leather? Strips of bunny fur? Some American native tribe wove of strips of bunny fur, but I don't remember who or when. so what would they have made clothes and blankets out of? The Mexican natives (Aztec, Maya, etc.), and those south of them (Inca), wove of something like wool - goat? mountain sheep? - pre European conquest. Examples survive in museums. The Northwest Coast natives also wove, but I don't know when they started and if it was only after they got European wool. The American Southwest natives did too, same date/supply question. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William Gibson -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Viking alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland?
I _think_ the Skraelings wore animal skins; the Inuit the Norse met did. There were bighorn sheep in the Rockies, but that's probably a bit far for an early colony! So yeah, good point; without importing some sheep or bringing in some flax seed (how easy is it to grow flax from seed?) they would have had to get real friendly with furs and leather real fast. But wikipedia says that Columbus brought some on his 2nd voyage (and there were sheep in the Greenland colony) so maybe sheep aren't terribly hard to transport...? And there may have been native hemp, although that may have been a bit further south. -E House On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:48 AM, tearo...@aol.com wrote: What kinds of fibers would the scraelings have had to weave with? They didn't have sheep for wool, did they? And linen is an Old World crop and cotton doesn't grow that far north, as far as I know. I am completely ignorant of Native American costume from that region, so what would they have made clothes and blankets out of? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Viking alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland?
Grass. They could weave grass. But don't count on it. On 9/30/09 10:44 AM, Käthe Barrows kay...@gmail.com wrote: What kinds of fibers would the scraelings have had to weave with? Strips of leather? Strips of bunny fur? Some American native tribe wove of strips of bunny fur, but I don't remember who or when. so what would they have made clothes and blankets out of? The Mexican natives (Aztec, Maya, etc.), and those south of them (Inca), wove of something like wool - goat? mountain sheep? - pre European conquest. Examples survive in museums. The Northwest Coast natives also wove, but I don't know when they started and if it was only after they got European wool. The American Southwest natives did too, same date/supply question. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed. -William Gibson -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Viking alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland?
2009/9/30 Käthe Barrows kay...@gmail.com: The Mexican natives (Aztec, Maya, etc.), and those south of them (Inca), wove of something like wool - goat? mountain sheep? - pre European conquest. The Inca used llama, alpaca, and vicuña! A weaving industry started to appear in the area around 600-700 BC among the Colla tribe; they were the empire before the Inca. (Can you tell that my mother wrote a book on Bolivian highland weaving, which is currently open on my lap? =} ) In the first millenium AD and for a wee short time after, there was an extensive trade network in place with the Mississippian culture, but I don't know if it made it far enough south to trade with the Inca. -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Viking alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland?
Isn't that called Ramie? Catherine R. -Original Message- From: Judy Mitchell judymi...@theoldforest.net To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:09 pm Subject: Re: [h-cost] Viking alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland? Elena House wrote: And there may have been native hemp, although that may have been a bit further south. I believe you can also weave nettle cloth. -Judy Mitchell ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 8, Issue 335
Thanks, Judy, good suggestion! I'll pass it along. -- Mara - http://www.marariley.net - 18th century research and knitting patterns Ravelry: corbiegirl Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. - Voltaire Message: 13 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:57:49 -0400 From: Judy Mitchell judymi...@theoldforest.net To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian-era civilian events in the Washington, DC area? Message-ID: 4ac355cd.2050...@theoldforest.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Mara, Baltimore isn't that far away - how about the Poe Funeral in Oct? http://www.poebicentennial.com/events.html -Judy Mitchell *** ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Viking alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland?
Isn't that called Ramie? Catherine R. Different plant, but same type of fiber. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Viking alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland?
On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:18 AM, cbellfl...@aol.com wrote: Isn't that called Ramie? Ramie is in the nettle family, but a different species. I wonder whether bark-based fibers or pounded-bark cloth might have been possibilities. If Native Americans made cord (which I'm sure they did) then there must have been *some* sources of fiber available. Generally, though, bark-based fibers seem to be considerably harder to domesticate than animal-based or annual-plant-based fibers -- much slower growing, of course, and I suspect also more labor-intensive to prepare. (Although considering all you have to go through to get linen from flax, maybe I shouldn't say that!) I expect there are also hemp-like fibers available from some plant or other throughout most of North America, though it's an area I haven't researched. And the yucca relatives in dry areas certainly produce plenty of leaf fiber; I'm not sure how easy that is to extract. Don't forget also that while sheep and linen aren't native to the New World, cotton *is* -- not quite the same strains, but very close. I know it was used for both cordage and cloth in the Southwest. There's an Anasazi sock from circa 1200AD made from cotton, with fur caught in the plies of the cotton thread for (presumably) warmth. It is attached to a sole of plaited yucca leaves. That's a rather labor-intensive, but plausible way to use sheared fur, which (in the absence of our friends the sheep) tends to be too slippery to spin well. O (Dame) Christian de Holacombe, OL - Shire of Windy Meads +Kingdom of the West - Chris Laning clan...@igc.org http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Madeleine Albright's Jewelry-Box Diplomacy
Did anyone hear the NPR chat Madeleine Albright's Jewelry-Box Diplomacy (see also the article by the same name at http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113278807sc=fbcc=fp). Speaking thru clothes... it just doesnt end. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Viking alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland?
At 07:48 AM 9/30/2009, you wrote: What kinds of fibers would the scraelings have had to weave with? They didn't have sheep for wool, did they? And linen is an Old World crop and cotton doesn't grow that far north, as far as I know. I am completely ignorant of Native American costume from that region, so what would they have made clothes and blankets out of? Tea Rose They primarily used skins and furs (no weaving needed); sewing would have been primarily with sinew from deer and elk. There are various sources of bast (i.e., stem) fibers available; they were sufficient for string and cords and such, not for weaving large items. All were available from non-domesticated sources. The First Nation peoples were familiar with weaving mats of various sorts as well as baskets. Until the introduction of European domesticates (both animal and vegetable), the fiber sources were small and cloth was not woven in the northeastern areas. In the southwest, cotton (originally from Mexico/Central America) was grown, spun, and woven into cloth. Cotton was the indigenous domesticated vegetable fiber of the Americas, but it was not available everywhere. In the Northwest (British Columbia/Washington) coastal areas, a small breed of dog was used for fiber as well as food. The Chilkat blankets were finger-woven on a type of warp-weighted frame for twining; the warp was typically shredded cedar bark. The study of fibers, spinning, and weaving in the Americas is a fascinating field (especially for someone like me who is very involved in spinning and weaving and wants to learn everything about the history of fiber and fabric :-)). Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Victorian-era civilian events in the Washington
And while in Baltimore, visit the Walter's Art Gallery - thewalters.org. It's stuffed full of Pre-Raphaelite brotherhood romantic paintings. Made my little Victorian heart go pitter-pat! --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com Baltimore isn't that far away - how about the Poe Funeral in Oct? http://www.poebicentennial.com/events.html -Judy Mitchell Mara Riley wrote: A friend at work who is interested in Victorian literature asks whether there are Victorian-era civilian events that he could go observe in the Washington, DC area (he's not a reenactor). Any suggestions? It's out of the timeframe I usually do. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Viking alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland?
Llama and those things that look like llama, but I can't remember the name of. It is lovely, soft, warm, etc. By this time, I think they were trading with central american tribes. That would be the camelids: llama, vicuna, alpaca and guanaco.But I dont think there's any evidence for textiles woven from them, or from anything else except bark and willow, on the eastern seaboard of Canada. Also, no cotton (too cold) and no flax (no evidence of it). The locals would have used skin and fur for clothing and blankets. However, once they learned to weave from the Vikings, who knows what they might have created? Look what the Navajo did once they got some sheep. Kim -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Käthe Barrows Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:44 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Viking alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland? What kinds of fibers would the scraelings have had to weave with? Strips of leather? Strips of bunny fur? Some American native tribe wove of strips of bunny fur, but I don't remember who or when. so what would they have made clothes and blankets out of? The Mexican natives (Aztec, Maya, etc.), and those south of them (Inca), wove of something like wool - goat? mountain sheep? - pre European conquest. Examples survive in museums. The Northwest Coast natives also wove, but I don't know when they started and if it was only after they got European wool. The American Southwest natives did too, same date/supply question. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed. -William Gibson -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Viking alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland?
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Kim Baird kba...@cableone.net wrote: However, once they learned to weave from the Vikings, who knows what they might have created? Look what the Navajo did once they got some sheep. Right now, Canada is by far the biggest producer and exporter of flax, so I bet that a Vinland industry would have taken off! Canada also produces a good deal of hemp, so between the two I think it's safe to guess that my Vinland fashionistas would have worn at least some linen. I don't think it would have taken more than a couple of centuries for sheep to spread across the Americas. I have a feeling they would have been a big hit with the locals, once all the technical aspects had been passed along. The Norse managed to travel pretty far in the other hemisphere, both by water and by land--I wonder how far they might go, to trade in the Americas? It wouldn't shock me to see some trade with South American indigenous people. -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Opinions on this book
I have a copy of The Encyclopedia of World Costume, by Doreen Yarwood. Any opinions on this one? Is it worth saving or should I toss it? Sharon C. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Opinions on this book
On Wednesday 30 September 2009 9:36:55 pm Sharon Collier wrote: I have a copy of The Encyclopedia of World Costume, by Doreen Yarwood. Any opinions on this one? Is it worth saving or should I toss it? My recollection is that it's neither great nor totally awful. I would not recommend buying it. Nor would I recommend keeping it if space is at a premium and you need to trim your library. But if you don't have problems with it tying up an inch or so of shelf space, I'd keep it, at least for now. -- Cathy Raymond ca...@thyrsus.com A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. --Walter Bagehot ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Opinions on this book
It is a very popular book with the libraries. I have a copy that I found at Half-Price in Austin a while ago. It is a very inexpensive book still. Kinda like A Dictionary of Costume and Fashion: Historic and Modern. The great thing about these books? They force you to find the slapped together images individually in their original paintings. The colors never really match but it makes for a great visual trivial pursuit game with bored costumers stuck somewhere too long. :D The book I would recommend if you can find a copy is Dictionary of Costume by R. Turner Wilcox. ♫ Chiara Francesca « Ehi Prof.! Che cosa facciamo stasera?» « Quello che facciamo tutte le sere, Mignolo: tentare di conquistare il mondo! » (hint: italian) -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Collier Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:37 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: [h-cost] Opinions on this book I have a copy of The Encyclopedia of World Costume, by Doreen Yarwood. Any opinions on this one? Is it worth saving or should I toss it? Sharon C. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Opinions on this book
I have a copy of The Encyclopedia of World Costume, by Doreen Yarwood. Any opinions on this one? Is it worth saving or should I toss it? I saw a copy once, and didn't buy it, no regrets. I didn't like it. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William Gibson -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
