Re: [h-cost] Stange detail on early 1900's shirtwaists - help?
We happen to know exactly where it came from! Letty Amanda Strout wore this blouse / shirtwaist while a student at Wellesley College (class of 1907). At some point, it was washed, ironed, and put away. It was stuffed in a garbage bag sometime in the 1970s. Every stitch is original and nothing has been removed or otherwise altered. It's in remarkably good condition, all things considered. Dede From: Lavolta Press To: Historical Costume Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stange detail on early 1900's shirtwaists - help? I don't know where the blouse came from, but there is another issue with vintage items. Dealers repair items to make them salable. I have seen ties I am sure were modernly shortened (different thread and stitch lengths), probably because the ends were frayed. And ties cut off altogether all the way up to the center back where they were sewed down. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Strange detail on early 1900's shirtwaists - help?
This is entirely possible to me, although I have no idea if it's something commonly done at the time! The outer ties folded and sewn to a point, if that makes a difference. The inner ties, in addition to being longer, are finished plainly. Dede From: Sharon Collier To: 'Historical Costume' Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stange detail on early 1900's shirtwaists - help? If the blouse was worn on the outside of the skirt, and as Fran said, the ties came from back to front, perhaps instead of tying (which takes quite a bit of fabric/length), they were buckled--a simple buckle where you just weave the ties in and out. Maybe the inside ties were to actually hold the blouse down/in place, while the outside, shorter ones would be worn with a buckle for "show". Sharon C. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Stange detail on early 1900's shirtwaists - help?
I don't know where the blouse came from, but there is another issue with vintage items. Dealers repair items to make them salable. I have seen ties I am sure were modernly shortened (different thread and stitch lengths), probably because the ends were frayed. And ties cut off altogether all the way up to the center back where they were sewed down. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com On 8/14/2015 11:02 AM, WorkroomButtons.com wrote: Thanks so much! We have shirtwaists that do have a longer front, but this one does not. Also, even assuming a tiny waistline, the outside ties are not long enough for a bow -- they can only be knotted. Would the knotted ties be hidden under the skirt top? Any clue as to the purpose of the longer inner ties? Dede _ West Village Studio www.workroombuttons.com From: Lavolta Press To: Historical Costume Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stange detail on early 1900's shirtwaists - help? The ties are quite usual in Edwardian blouses. They are sewn to the back of the blouse and come around to tie in front. They are often too short to tie in a bow rather than a knot, although possibly the original wearer had a smaller waistline than a modern wearer. It's hard to tell the waist size with a full style of blouse. The purpose of the ties is to keep the blouse from riding up, and to secure the arrangement of waist folds the wearer made when putting on the blouse, especially if the blouse has a front "puff" (it will look longer in front than in back when not being worn if that is the case). Blouses of this period could button in either the front or the back, but whichever has the ties sewn to it is the back. Hope this helps. Fran Lavolta Press Books of historic clothing patterns www.lavoltapress.com On 8/14/2015 8:21 AM, WorkroomButtons.com wrote: We've encountered a puzzling detail present on several early 1900's shirtwaists at the Reed Homestead (THS Clothing Collection). One example can be seen here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/workroombuttons/albums/72157657235770901 Please be sure to scroll down a bit and read the descriptions below the photos. 1. What is the function of the ties? Front ties are too short to be tied into a back bow, and inside ties...?2. Which is the front side of the shirtwaist: pleats or buttons? We're really stuck here! Can anyone help us out? Thanks! Sincerely,Dede O'Hair _ West Village Studio www.workroombuttons.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Stange detail on early 1900's shirtwaists - help?
If the blouse was worn on the outside of the skirt, and as Fran said, the ties came from back to front, perhaps instead of tying (which takes quite a bit of fabric/length), they were buckled--a simple buckle where you just weave the ties in and out. Maybe the inside ties were to actually hold the blouse down/in place, while the outside, shorter ones would be worn with a buckle for "show". Sharon C. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of WorkroomButtons.com Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 8:21 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Stange detail on early 1900's shirtwaists - help? We've encountered a puzzling detail present on several early 1900's shirtwaists at the Reed Homestead (THS Clothing Collection). One example can be seen here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/workroombuttons/albums/72157657235770901 Please be sure to scroll down a bit and read the descriptions below the photos. 1. What is the function of the ties? Front ties are too short to be tied into a back bow, and inside ties...?2. Which is the front side of the shirtwaist: pleats or buttons? We're really stuck here! Can anyone help us out? Thanks! Sincerely,Dede O'Hair _ West Village Studio www.workroombuttons.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Strange detail on early 1900's shirtwaists - help?
Did I really misspell "strange" in the title? *groan* _ West Village Studio www.workroombuttons.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Stange detail on early 1900's shirtwaists - help?
Thanks so much! We have shirtwaists that do have a longer front, but this one does not. Also, even assuming a tiny waistline, the outside ties are not long enough for a bow -- they can only be knotted. Would the knotted ties be hidden under the skirt top? Any clue as to the purpose of the longer inner ties? Dede _ West Village Studio www.workroombuttons.com From: Lavolta Press To: Historical Costume Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stange detail on early 1900's shirtwaists - help? The ties are quite usual in Edwardian blouses. They are sewn to the back of the blouse and come around to tie in front. They are often too short to tie in a bow rather than a knot, although possibly the original wearer had a smaller waistline than a modern wearer. It's hard to tell the waist size with a full style of blouse. The purpose of the ties is to keep the blouse from riding up, and to secure the arrangement of waist folds the wearer made when putting on the blouse, especially if the blouse has a front "puff" (it will look longer in front than in back when not being worn if that is the case). Blouses of this period could button in either the front or the back, but whichever has the ties sewn to it is the back. Hope this helps. Fran Lavolta Press Books of historic clothing patterns www.lavoltapress.com On 8/14/2015 8:21 AM, WorkroomButtons.com wrote: > We've encountered a puzzling detail present on several early 1900's > shirtwaists at the Reed Homestead (THS Clothing Collection). One example can > be seen here: > https://www.flickr.com/photos/workroombuttons/albums/72157657235770901 > > Please be sure to scroll down a bit and read the descriptions below the > photos. > 1. What is the function of the ties? Front ties are too short to be tied > into a back bow, and inside ties...?2. Which is the front side of the > shirtwaist: pleats or buttons? > > We're really stuck here! Can anyone help us out? Thanks! > Sincerely,Dede O'Hair _ > West Village Studio > www.workroombuttons.com > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Stange detail on early 1900's shirtwaists - help?
The ties are quite usual in Edwardian blouses. They are sewn to the back of the blouse and come around to tie in front. They are often too short to tie in a bow rather than a knot, although possibly the original wearer had a smaller waistline than a modern wearer. It's hard to tell the waist size with a full style of blouse. The purpose of the ties is to keep the blouse from riding up, and to secure the arrangement of waist folds the wearer made when putting on the blouse, especially if the blouse has a front "puff" (it will look longer in front than in back when not being worn if that is the case). Blouses of this period could button in either the front or the back, but whichever has the ties sewn to it is the back. Hope this helps. Fran Lavolta Press Books of historic clothing patterns www.lavoltapress.com On 8/14/2015 8:21 AM, WorkroomButtons.com wrote: We've encountered a puzzling detail present on several early 1900's shirtwaists at the Reed Homestead (THS Clothing Collection). One example can be seen here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/workroombuttons/albums/72157657235770901 Please be sure to scroll down a bit and read the descriptions below the photos. 1. What is the function of the ties? Front ties are too short to be tied into a back bow, and inside ties...?2. Which is the front side of the shirtwaist: pleats or buttons? We're really stuck here! Can anyone help us out? Thanks! Sincerely,Dede O'Hair _ West Village Studio www.workroombuttons.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Stange detail on early 1900's shirtwaists - help?
We've encountered a puzzling detail present on several early 1900's shirtwaists at the Reed Homestead (THS Clothing Collection). One example can be seen here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/workroombuttons/albums/72157657235770901 Please be sure to scroll down a bit and read the descriptions below the photos. 1. What is the function of the ties? Front ties are too short to be tied into a back bow, and inside ties...?2. Which is the front side of the shirtwaist: pleats or buttons? We're really stuck here! Can anyone help us out? Thanks! Sincerely,Dede O'Hair _ West Village Studio www.workroombuttons.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
