Re: [h-cost] 1920s Men's bathing suit pattern
Here's the link for the site that sells them: http://www.gentlemansemporium.com/store/mens_swimwear.php?from=leftnav; __utma=1.663629051.1263760928.1263760928.1263760928.1__utmb=1.1.10.1263760928 __utmc=1__utmx=- __utmz=1.1263760928.1.1.utmgclid=COyMgqmkrJ8CFY915Qod_3lc0w|utmccn=(not%20set)|utmcmd=(not%20set)|utmctr=gentlemen%27s%20emporium __utmv=-__utmk=175934242 Henry W. Osier Chairman, Costume-Con 28 May 7 to May 10, 2010 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin www.CC28.org Look for our fan page on Facebook! And on Twitter: CostumeCon28 Got questions? Join the CostumeCon Yahoo group! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1920s Men's bathing suit pattern
It wasn't the weight of the wool, it was its properties: wool is the only fiber that holds heat even while wet. In the 19th c, you really _could_ catch your death of cold, or so they believed. Up til the 1920s, most bathing suits were woolen. == Marjorie Wilser =:=:=:Three Toad Press:=:=:= Learn to laugh at yourself and you will never lack for amusement. --MW http://3toad.blogspot.com/ On Jan 14, 2010, at 10:29 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: I have heard that , in water, clothes do not weigh any more than when dry. It is after you get out that you feel the weight of the water. Clothes do create drag, though. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Downward Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 6:08 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920s Men's bathing suit pattern I've seen one too, in San Francisco. It was one that was rented at Sutro Baths, the large pool near Ocean Beach from the 1870s until the 1920s, I believe. There were several separate pools in the complex overlooking Seal Rock and men could rent a heavy swim suit for the day. I have no idea how they cleaned them. Yick. At any rate, the one I saw was heavy as AlbertCat said, heavy like a sweater. It weighed, dry, about the same as a heavy winter sweater. I can't imagine how heavy they were wet, but there are photographs of swarms of men in identical swimsuits on the edge of the pools. The one I saw also had the woven cotton underwear sewn into the bottom. LynnD On 1/14/10, albert...@aol.com albert...@aol.com wrote: just a bit heavier than T-shirt fabric. The two real one piece tank top vintage bathing suits for men I found at a flea market were knit but sweater weight (perhaps a bit denser, tighter stitch than a sweater). They also had a woven cotton underwear- like thing sewn into the bottom part. One was navy with a wide white stripe running horizontally at chest level. The other was black. Both were wool. Wool, y'know, will still keep one warm when wet. And sometime in the 1870's I believe it was considered a healthy thing to break into a sweat. Thus, a sweater was proper attire for tennis and the like. These ideas linger into the 20th century. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1920s Men's bathing suit pattern
And then there was Bailey's Beach at Newport, RI where men 'bathed' in the Buff!? Women, of course had another section of the beach where they changed from street ensembles to bathing attire in bathing wagons (think gypsey) which hauled them into waist high water. -Original Message- From: Lynn Downward lynndownw...@gmail.com Sent 1/14/2010 9:08:18 PM To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920s Men's bathing suit patternI've seen one too, in San Francisco. It was one that was rented at Sutro Baths, the large pool near Ocean Beach from the 1870s until the 1920s, I believe. There were several separate pools in the complex overlooking Seal Rock and men could rent a heavy swim suit for the day. I have no idea how they cleaned them. Yick. At any rate, the one I saw was heavy as AlbertCat said, heavy like a sweater. It weighed, dry, about the same as a heavy winter sweater. I can't imagine how heavy they were wet, but there are photographs of swarms of men in identical swimsuits on the edge of the pools. The one I saw also had the woven cotton underwear sewn into the bottom. LynnD On 1/14/10, albert...@aol.com albert...@aol.com wrote: just a bit heavier than T-shirt fabric. The two real one piece tank top vintage bathing suits for men I found at a flea market were knit but sweater weight (perhaps a bit denser, tighter stitch than a sweater). They also had a woven cotton underwear- like thing sewn into the bottom part. One was navy with a wide white stripe running horizontally at chest level. The other was black. Both were wool. Wool, y'know, will still keep one warm when wet. And sometime in the 1870's I believe it was considered a healthy thing to break into a sweat. Thus, a sweater was proper attire for tennis and the like. These ideas linger into the 20th century. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1920s Men's bathing suit pattern
You can still catch your death of cold today: if, for whatever reason, you're stuck outside and wet, you'll get hypothermic much faster wearing a cotton sweater than a wool (or synthetic fleece) sweater. Cotton soaks up water and keeps it, robbing the fabric of any insulating qualities. Like Marjorie said, wool will still keep you warm. Sheep don't get hypothermic, after all. Some historic content: before the advent of synthetic, lycra-based performance fabrics, bicycling jerseys were made of wool knit, probably for both its insulative qualities (when it's wet/cold) and breatheability (when it's hot). They may have managed odors better than modern synthetics, too. Not that I've investigated. Ick. Claudine - Original Message From: Marjorie Wilser the3t...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 12:07:34 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920s Men's bathing suit pattern It wasn't the weight of the wool, it was its properties: wool is the only fiber that holds heat even while wet. In the 19th c, you really _could_ catch your death of cold, or so they believed. Up til the 1920s, most bathing suits were woolen. == Marjorie Wilser =:=:=:Three Toad Press:=:=:= Learn to laugh at yourself and you will never lack for amusement. --MW http://3toad.blogspot.com/ On Jan 14, 2010, at 10:29 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: I have heard that , in water, clothes do not weigh any more than when dry. It is after you get out that you feel the weight of the water. Clothes do create drag, though. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Downward Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 6:08 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920s Men's bathing suit pattern I've seen one too, in San Francisco. It was one that was rented at Sutro Baths, the large pool near Ocean Beach from the 1870s until the 1920s, I believe. There were several separate pools in the complex overlooking Seal Rock and men could rent a heavy swim suit for the day. I have no idea how they cleaned them. Yick. At any rate, the one I saw was heavy as AlbertCat said, heavy like a sweater. It weighed, dry, about the same as a heavy winter sweater. I can't imagine how heavy they were wet, but there are photographs of swarms of men in identical swimsuits on the edge of the pools. The one I saw also had the woven cotton underwear sewn into the bottom. LynnD On 1/14/10, albert...@aol.com wrote: just a bit heavier than T-shirt fabric. The two real one piece tank top vintage bathing suits for men I found at a flea market were knit but sweater weight (perhaps a bit denser, tighter stitch than a sweater). They also had a woven cotton underwear- like thing sewn into the bottom part. One was navy with a wide white stripe running horizontally at chest level. The other was black. Both were wool. Wool, y'know, will still keep one warm when wet. And sometime in the 1870's I believe it was considered a healthy thing to break into a sweat. Thus, a sweater was proper attire for tennis and the like. These ideas linger into the 20th century. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1920s Men's bathing suit pattern
Thanks for the warning--I don't think these folks actually plan to go swimming in the outfits, but I'll pass that on. Ann Wass -Original Message- From: Pierre Sandy Pettinger costu...@radiks.net To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:12 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920s Men's bathing suit pattern When you make it, just be aware of the characteristics of your fabric when it's wet. A friend made a set of vintage bathing costumes for herself and her husband. His was black and white striped knit fabric, just a bit heavier than T-shirt fabric. He was having a great time in the pool, until he went to get out of it - the fabric had become fairly transparent - showing everyone a lot more than he'd planned! :-} He had to stay in the water till some kind soul brought him a towel. Much blushing (his) and giggling (ours) resulted. Sandy At 08:46 AM 1/13/2010, you wrote: For a family picture two years ago, I found 'bike' style knit?underwear for the men(striped) in Penny's catalogue.? To these, we used black knit muscle shirts for the top.?This worked really well. ? The antique onsie is usually black wool knit with a buttcover length top that is attached to the pant described above. Since this style was in use before elastic or drawstring waist bands, attaching the top and bottom was necessary for the 'wet weight' of the garment.? : annbw...@aol.com Sent 1/12/2010 7:44:29 PM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] 1920s Men's bathing suit patternDoes anyone know of a sewing pattern for a man's 1920s bathing suit? Google has let me down. I did find directions for a knitted one, and Past patterns 7696 for a woman's, but a friend would like one for men, too. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Ann Wass Those Who Fail to Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly - Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm The Illusion of Historical Fact -- C. Y. 4971 Andromeda ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1920s Men's bathing suit pattern
In a message dated 1/12/2010 7:44:48 PM Central Standard Time, h-costume-requ...@indra.com writes: Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:44:29 EST From: annbw...@aol.com Subject: [h-cost] 1920s Men's bathing suit pattern Does anyone know of a sewing pattern for a man's 1920s bathing suit? Google has let me down. I did find directions for a knitted one, and Past patterns 7696 for a woman's, but a friend would like one for men, too. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Ann Wass I'd like to know, too! I know of a site that has them, well, maybe more turn of the 19th to 20th century, but the 20's version was a bit different. Henry W. Osier Chairman, Costume-Con 28 May 7 to May 10, 2010 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin www.CC28.org Look for our fan page on Facebook! And on Twitter: CostumeCon28 Got questions? Join the CostumeCon Yahoo group! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1920s Men's bathing suit pattern
just a bit heavier than T-shirt fabric. The two real one piece tank top vintage bathing suits for men I found at a flea market were knit but sweater weight (perhaps a bit denser, tighter stitch than a sweater). They also had a woven cotton underwear- like thing sewn into the bottom part. One was navy with a wide white stripe running horizontally at chest level. The other was black. Both were wool. Wool, y'know, will still keep one warm when wet. And sometime in the 1870's I believe it was considered a healthy thing to break into a sweat. Thus, a sweater was proper attire for tennis and the like. These ideas linger into the 20th century. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1920s Men's bathing suit pattern
I've seen one too, in San Francisco. It was one that was rented at Sutro Baths, the large pool near Ocean Beach from the 1870s until the 1920s, I believe. There were several separate pools in the complex overlooking Seal Rock and men could rent a heavy swim suit for the day. I have no idea how they cleaned them. Yick. At any rate, the one I saw was heavy as AlbertCat said, heavy like a sweater. It weighed, dry, about the same as a heavy winter sweater. I can't imagine how heavy they were wet, but there are photographs of swarms of men in identical swimsuits on the edge of the pools. The one I saw also had the woven cotton underwear sewn into the bottom. LynnD On 1/14/10, albert...@aol.com albert...@aol.com wrote: just a bit heavier than T-shirt fabric. The two real one piece tank top vintage bathing suits for men I found at a flea market were knit but sweater weight (perhaps a bit denser, tighter stitch than a sweater). They also had a woven cotton underwear- like thing sewn into the bottom part. One was navy with a wide white stripe running horizontally at chest level. The other was black. Both were wool. Wool, y'know, will still keep one warm when wet. And sometime in the 1870's I believe it was considered a healthy thing to break into a sweat. Thus, a sweater was proper attire for tennis and the like. These ideas linger into the 20th century. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1920s Men's bathing suit pattern
I have heard that , in water, clothes do not weigh any more than when dry. It is after you get out that you feel the weight of the water. Clothes do create drag, though. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Downward Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 6:08 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920s Men's bathing suit pattern I've seen one too, in San Francisco. It was one that was rented at Sutro Baths, the large pool near Ocean Beach from the 1870s until the 1920s, I believe. There were several separate pools in the complex overlooking Seal Rock and men could rent a heavy swim suit for the day. I have no idea how they cleaned them. Yick. At any rate, the one I saw was heavy as AlbertCat said, heavy like a sweater. It weighed, dry, about the same as a heavy winter sweater. I can't imagine how heavy they were wet, but there are photographs of swarms of men in identical swimsuits on the edge of the pools. The one I saw also had the woven cotton underwear sewn into the bottom. LynnD On 1/14/10, albert...@aol.com albert...@aol.com wrote: just a bit heavier than T-shirt fabric. The two real one piece tank top vintage bathing suits for men I found at a flea market were knit but sweater weight (perhaps a bit denser, tighter stitch than a sweater). They also had a woven cotton underwear- like thing sewn into the bottom part. One was navy with a wide white stripe running horizontally at chest level. The other was black. Both were wool. Wool, y'know, will still keep one warm when wet. And sometime in the 1870's I believe it was considered a healthy thing to break into a sweat. Thus, a sweater was proper attire for tennis and the like. These ideas linger into the 20th century. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1920s Men's bathing suit pattern
For a family picture two years ago, I found 'bike' style knit?underwear for the men(striped) in Penny's catalogue.? To these, we used black knit muscle shirts for the top.?This worked really well. ? The antique onsie is usually black wool knit with a buttcover length top that is attached to the pant described above. Since this style was in use before elastic or drawstring waist bands, attaching the top and bottom was necessary for the 'wet weight' of the garment.? : annbw...@aol.com Sent 1/12/2010 7:44:29 PM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] 1920s Men's bathing suit patternDoes anyone know of a sewing pattern for a man's 1920s bathing suit? Google has let me down. I did find directions for a knitted one, and Past patterns 7696 for a woman's, but a friend would like one for men, too. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1920s Men's bathing suit pattern
When you make it, just be aware of the characteristics of your fabric when it's wet. A friend made a set of vintage bathing costumes for herself and her husband. His was black and white striped knit fabric, just a bit heavier than T-shirt fabric. He was having a great time in the pool, until he went to get out of it - the fabric had become fairly transparent - showing everyone a lot more than he'd planned! :-} He had to stay in the water till some kind soul brought him a towel. Much blushing (his) and giggling (ours) resulted. Sandy At 08:46 AM 1/13/2010, you wrote: For a family picture two years ago, I found 'bike' style knit?underwear for the men(striped) in Penny's catalogue.? To these, we used black knit muscle shirts for the top.?This worked really well. ? The antique onsie is usually black wool knit with a buttcover length top that is attached to the pant described above. Since this style was in use before elastic or drawstring waist bands, attaching the top and bottom was necessary for the 'wet weight' of the garment.? : annbw...@aol.com Sent 1/12/2010 7:44:29 PM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] 1920s Men's bathing suit patternDoes anyone know of a sewing pattern for a man's 1920s bathing suit? Google has let me down. I did find directions for a knitted one, and Past patterns 7696 for a woman's, but a friend would like one for men, too. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Ann Wass Those Who Fail to Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly - Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm The Illusion of Historical Fact -- C. Y. 4971 Andromeda ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
