Re: [h-cost] Sherlock Holmes
Good point--maybe that is what made the written stories so wonderful--the understatement. Mr. Holmes always wanted to just stick to the facts without embellishment. Yours in cosutming, Lisa A On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 00:03:33 -0500 Elena House exst...@gmail.com writes: I watched an interview with Robert Downey Jr. when the first one came out, and he made the excellent point that there actually was a great deal of action in the SH stories... it was just written in a very glazed over sort of way. They gave chase, or, After a struggle, they apprehended the culprit, and so forth. (I paraphrase.) The action's there, just not described in the kind of dramatic detail that modern novelists indulge in. Not even when there's a waterfall involved. -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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What Charlene said. I haven't seen the 2nd one but I liked the first one. I own all the SH stories and am a big fan. I hate how the movies make Watson out to be a fumbling idiot. He was a returning Afghanistan war veteran. And they made Holmes out to be a robot. Also not true. As far as the costumes, they and the feel of the movie is very much Steampunk. As a Steampunker I think it was awesome and have plans to swipe a few ideas from Irene's costumes. I hope to see #2 over Christmas holidays. Julie I think part of the issue is more people are familiar with the old movies than are familiar with the books. Personally, I liked the first one and plan to see the second. I went in expecting a campy, adventure flick and that's what it was. --Charlene ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sherlock Holmes
I watched an interview with Robert Downey Jr. when the first one came out, and he made the excellent point that there actually was a great deal of action in the SH stories... it was just written in a very glazed over sort of way. They gave chase, or, After a struggle, they apprehended the culprit, and so forth. (I paraphrase.) The action's there, just not described in the kind of dramatic detail that modern novelists indulge in. Not even when there's a waterfall involved. -E House On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Julie jtkn...@jtknits.cts.com wrote: What Charlene said. I haven't seen the 2nd one but I liked the first one. I own all the SH stories and am a big fan. I hate how the movies make Watson out to be a fumbling idiot. He was a returning Afghanistan war veteran. And they made Holmes out to be a robot. Also not true. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sherlock Holmes A Game of Shadows
Sorry, Jeremy Brett just always rubbed me the totally wrong way as Holmes. He never let Holmes show any compassion, but was always very snobbish and superior, esp. to Watson. And in the books, Holmes doesn't treat Watson that way . And far too many liberties were taken with the actual plots. The Russian Sherlock Holmes, by contrast, pretty much follows the stories as written (without having to dwell on cocaine AT ALL, which after all, was not a major part of the narratives) AND the costumes and sets are more reminiscent of Victorian times as well. But that is is all water under the bridge, as both of those series will not be resurrected. The actor who played the Russian version also died. Yours in costuming, Lisa A On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 16:22:11 -0800 (PST) Galadriel galadrielfi...@yahoo.com writes: Don't blaspheme Jeremy Brett! I totally disagree that he was robot... I found him very subtle and the most perfect Holmes! Yes, he strayed from the book by having Holmes give up his cocaine addiction but the reasons he did it are sweet (Brett said he wanted to be a good role model for kids). And, oh, he wears the clothes well! I also like that they didn't resort to the inappropriate deerstalker cap unless he was outdoors in the country! And even then they stayed away from the plaid to not give in to cliche. Huge Holmes fanatic, huge Brett fanatic. A marriage made in heaven for me!! It's only too sad he wasn't able to finish the series. --Rachel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sherlock Holmes A Game of Shadows
Don't blaspheme Jeremy Brett! I totally disagree that he was robot... I found him very subtle and the most perfect Holmes! Yes, he strayed from the book by having Holmes give up his cocaine addiction but the reasons he did it are sweet (Brett said he wanted to be a good role model for kids). And, oh, he wears the clothes well! I also like that they didn't resort to the inappropriate deerstalker cap unless he was outdoors in the country! And even then they stayed away from the plaid to not give in to cliche. Huge Holmes fanatic, huge Brett fanatic. A marriage made in heaven for me!! It's only too sad he wasn't able to finish the series. --Rachel ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Sherlock Holmes A Game of Shadows
I was really looking forward to it till I saw this review. Has anyone here seen it, and how are the costumes? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/16/DDEI1MCACK.DTL Fran Lavolta Press Books of historic clothing and needlework patterns www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sherlock Holmes A Game of Shadows
Well, Roger Ebert mentioned that he was putting it on his list of favorite movies. I'm hoping to see it DeNae On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.comwrote: I was really looking forward to it till I saw this review. Has anyone here seen it, and how are the costumes? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/**article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/16/** DDEI1MCACK.DTLhttp://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/16/DDEI1MCACK.DTL Fran Lavolta Press Books of historic clothing and needlework patterns www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress __**_ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/**listinfo/h-costumehttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sherlock Holmes A Game of Shadows
Actually makes me want to see the movie (I was going to anyway). I find movie reviewers to often be rather full of themselves. And besides, we do a thing we call Bad Movie Night. We have seen some of the MOST awful movies, but they are still fun, festive adult beverages make the most poorly made movie more palatable), and a good evening's entertainment. And I want to see the costumes. Sharon C. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 11:10 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Sherlock Holmes A Game of Shadows I was really looking forward to it till I saw this review. Has anyone here seen it, and how are the costumes? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/16/DDEI1MCACK.DTL Fran Lavolta Press Books of historic clothing and needlework patterns www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sherlock Holmes A Game of Shadows
I guess so. I find life is too short to either view bad movies or read bad books (unless I'm being paid to edit the books and turn them into better books). Fran Lavolta Press Books on making historic clothing www.lavoltapress.com On 12/16/2011 2:05 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: Actually makes me want to see the movie (I was going to anyway). I find movie reviewers to often be rather full of themselves. And besides, we do a thing we call Bad Movie Night. We have seen some of the MOST awful movies, but they are still fun, festive adult beverages make the most poorly made movie more palatable), and a good evening's entertainment. And I want to see the costumes. Sharon C. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 11:10 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Sherlock Holmes A Game of Shadows I was really looking forward to it till I saw this review. Has anyone here seen it, and how are the costumes? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/16/DDEI1MCACK.DTL Fran Lavolta Press Books of historic clothing and needlework patterns www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sherlock Holmes A Game of Shadows
I wasn't even able to get through the FIRST movie in this series, and it was because of the same issues I read about in the review of THIS movie. And Im a Sherlock Holmes FANATIC. The best Sherlock Holmes EVER, and the best costumes, were int he Russian version of Sherlock Holmes form the 1970's and 1980's. Yours in cosutming,Lisa A On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:09:40 -0800 Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com writes: I was really looking forward to it till I saw this review. Has anyone here seen it, and how are the costumes? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/16/DDEI1MCACK.DT L Fran Lavolta Press Books of historic clothing and needlework patterns www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sherlock Holmes A Game of Shadows
I must admit I love the Jeremy Brett Hound of the Baskervilles and Sign of Four. But some of the others in that seriesyikes! The costuming for the series was understated and very realistic and believable with some beautiful details. -Original Message- From: lisa58 lis...@juno.com To: h-costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Fri, Dec 16, 2011 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sherlock Holmes A Game of Shadows I wasn't even able to get through the FIRST movie in this series, and it was because of the same issues I read about in the review of THIS movie. And Im a Sherlock Holmes FANATIC. The best Sherlock Holmes EVER, and the best costumes, were int he Russian version of Sherlock Holmes form the 1970's and 1980's. Yours in cosutming,Lisa A On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:09:40 -0800 Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com writes: I was really looking forward to it till I saw this review. Has anyone here seen it, and how are the costumes? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/16/DDEI1MCACK.DT L Fran Lavolta Press Books of historic clothing and needlework patterns www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sherlock Holmes A Game of Shadows
Well, in the first movie it was kind of refreshing to see Watson sock Holmes in the jaw after that well-known remark Holmes makes about Watson merely illuminating the genius of others. I bought the Russian series but have not got around to watching it. Fran Lavolta Press Books of historic clothing patterns www.lavoltapress.com On 12/16/2011 12:34 PM, lis...@juno.com wrote: I wasn't even able to get through the FIRST movie in this series, and it was because of the same issues I read about in the review of THIS movie. And Im a Sherlock Holmes FANATIC. The best Sherlock Holmes EVER, and the best costumes, were int he Russian version of Sherlock Holmes form the 1970's and 1980's. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sherlock Holmes A Game of Shadows
Actually I pretty much hate any of the Jeremy Brett series. He just played Sherlock as a sort of robot and mean, not with the deep humanity that he really had. I'm serious when I say that the Russian version was the best ever--they did an occasional series that lasted a couple of years, not every episode, but I know they Did The Speckled Band, and Hound of hte Baskervilles (that one was was kind weird, but good, and The Sign of Four, the first one,w here Holmes and Watson meet, and a few more. It's on Google, but I've never seen them available on DVD--I have a bunch that we recorded off the TV. The Russian version really got the costumes right for the 1890's and early 1900's, and somehow re-created Victorian Londeon very believably. IT's worth looking for it, even with subtitles. Yours in cosutming, Lisa A On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 19:27:13 -0500 (EST) albert...@aol.com writes: I must admit I love the Jeremy Brett Hound of the Baskervilles and Sign of Four. But some of the others in that seriesyikes! The costuming for the series was understated and very realistic and believable with some beautiful details. -Original Message- From: lisa58 lis...@juno.com To: h-costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Fri, Dec 16, 2011 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sherlock Holmes A Game of Shadows I wasn't even able to get through the FIRST movie in this series, and it was because of the same issues I read about in the review of THIS movie. And Im a Sherlock Holmes FANATIC. The best Sherlock Holmes EVER, and the best costumes, were int he Russian version of Sherlock Holmes form the 1970's and 1980's. Yours in cosutming,Lisa A On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:09:40 -0800 Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com writes: I was really looking forward to it till I saw this review. Has anyone here seen it, and how are the costumes? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/16/DDEI1MCACK.DT L Fran Lavolta Press Books of historic clothing and needlework patterns www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sherlock Holmes A Game of Shadows
You are in for a treat--I wish I could afford to buy it, and have all of them. Yours in cosutming,Lisa A On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:38:02 -0800 Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com writes: Well, in the first movie it was kind of refreshing to see Watson sock Holmes in the jaw after that well-known remark Holmes makes about Watson merely illuminating the genius of others. I bought the Russian series but have not got around to watching it. Fran Lavolta Press Books of historic clothing patterns www.lavoltapress.com On 12/16/2011 12:34 PM, lis...@juno.com wrote: I wasn't even able to get through the FIRST movie in this series, and it was because of the same issues I read about in the review of THIS movie. And Im a Sherlock Holmes FANATIC. The best Sherlock Holmes EVER, and the best costumes, were int he Russian version of Sherlock Holmes form the 1970's and 1980's. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sherlock Holmes A Game of Shadows
I hear you I do but I have to say that the very first few paragraphs of the book thoroughly describe exactly the man we see portrayed on the screen. Franchesca Sent from my Windows Phone From: lis...@juno.com Sent: 12/16/2011 2:48 PM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sherlock Holmes A Game of Shadows I wasn't even able to get through the FIRST movie in this series, and it was because of the same issues I read about in the review of THIS movie. And Im a Sherlock Holmes FANATIC. The best Sherlock Holmes EVER, and the best costumes, were int he Russian version of Sherlock Holmes form the 1970's and 1980's. Yours in cosutming,Lisa A On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:09:40 -0800 Lavolta Press f...@lavoltapress.com writes: I was really looking forward to it till I saw this review. Has anyone here seen it, and how are the costumes? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/16/DDEI1MCACK.DT L Fran Lavolta Press Books of historic clothing and needlework patterns www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sherlock Holmes A Game of Shadows
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Franchesca Havas franchesca.ha...@gmail.com wrote: I hear you I do but I have to say that the very first few paragraphs of the book thoroughly describe exactly the man we see portrayed on the screen. Franchesca I think part of the issue is more people are familiar with the old movies than are familiar with the books. Personally, I liked the first one and plan to see the second. I went in expecting a campy, adventure flick and that's what it was. --Charlene -- Poetry aims to express by means of language precisely that which language is powerless to express. -- Paul Valéry (1871-1945) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sherlock Holmes A Game of Shadows
I found the MTV review site which pulls various reviews and the reviews are mixed. The one you presented is there, another says something to the effect that if you liked the first you will like the second. One trashes Robert Downey's acting and another Ritches work. So reviews are not always reliable as they are personal opinions which may or may not match your own taste. I plan to go see it this weekend. The costumes will probably be the same level of authenticity as the last movie which I am not an expert on that period but from a novice opinion, looks good though but there seemed to be a few anomalies. De -Original Message- I was really looking forward to it till I saw this review. Has anyone here seen it, and how are the costumes? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/16/DDEI1MCACK.DTL Fran ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
