[h-cost] Shirt collars outside 40s coats?
Still in relation to the research on early Indonesian post-independence fashion, I'm just starting to notice on contemporary photographs from 1945-1955 that many men who wore suits or sport coats without ties often wore their unbuttoned shirt collars _outside_ the coat (i.e. on top of the coat's collar rather than tucked underneath). Before this I only knew of the practice from Japanese and German army desert or tropical uniforms, so was this really a particular fad of the 40s throughout both civilian and military spheres? If so, I suppose this could be one of those small details that could add a great deal of verisimilitude to the reconstructions with virtually no additional cost and very little effort. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Shirt collars outside 40s coats?
At 18:18 23/06/2011, you wrote: I'm just starting to notice on contemporary photographs from 1945-1955 that many men who wore suits or sport coats without ties often wore their unbuttoned shirt collars _outside_ the coat (i.e. on top of the coat's collar rather than tucked underneath). This was prevalent in England during that time and I'm sure, into the sixties. In fact I think I've seen photos from the thirties with this style - especially for hiking or camping. Jill JiGraH Resources - www.jigrah.co.uk Suppliers of products and services for Family and Local Historians Worldwide ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Shirt collars outside 40s coats?
I have a photo of my father and uncle strolling down a street in Atlanta, Suits and white shirts, collars open and over the coats, no hats. In contrast, a man seen in a doorway behind them looks like a 30s gangster in suit, tie, and jauntily tilted hat. Liadain Practical Blackwork Designs http://practicalblackwork.com http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com You get a wonderful view from the point of no return... -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Jill Hadfield Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 12:39 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shirt collars outside 40s coats? At 18:18 23/06/2011, you wrote: I'm just starting to notice on contemporary photographs from 1945-1955 that many men who wore suits or sport coats without ties often wore their unbuttoned shirt collars _outside_ the coat (i.e. on top of the coat's collar rather than tucked underneath). This was prevalent in England during that time and I'm sure, into the sixties. In fact I think I've seen photos from the thirties with this style - especially for hiking or camping. Jill JiGraH Resources - www.jigrah.co.uk Suppliers of products and services for Family and Local Historians Worldwide ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Shirt collars outside 40s coats?
And pictures of my dapper father in his teens and twentys with the same style in San Francisco. I think it was a universal style for casual wear. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Tracy Thallas fathal...@collinscom.netwrote: I have a photo of my father and uncle strolling down a street in Atlanta, Suits and white shirts, collars open and over the coats, no hats. In contrast, a man seen in a doorway behind them looks like a 30s gangster in suit, tie, and jauntily tilted hat. Liadain Practical Blackwork Designs http://practicalblackwork.com http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com You get a wonderful view from the point of no return... -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Jill Hadfield Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 12:39 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shirt collars outside 40s coats? At 18:18 23/06/2011, you wrote: I'm just starting to notice on contemporary photographs from 1945-1955 that many men who wore suits or sport coats without ties often wore their unbuttoned shirt collars _outside_ the coat (i.e. on top of the coat's collar rather than tucked underneath). This was prevalent in England during that time and I'm sure, into the sixties. In fact I think I've seen photos from the thirties with this style - especially for hiking or camping. Jill JiGraH Resources - www.jigrah.co.uk Suppliers of products and services for Family and Local Historians Worldwide ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Maybe it was the Rebel Without A Cause style of the era? Funny, I never think of open collars + pre-WWII... even pics of my grandfather, etc, from the farm had shirts buttoned all the way up. Liadain Practical Blackwork Designs http://practicalblackwork.com http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com You get a wonderful view from the point of no return... -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Downward Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 12:54 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shirt collars outside 40s coats? And pictures of my dapper father in his teens and twentys with the same style in San Francisco. I think it was a universal style for casual wear. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Tracy Thallas fathal...@collinscom.netwrote: I have a photo of my father and uncle strolling down a street in Atlanta, Suits and white shirts, collars open and over the coats, no hats. In contrast, a man seen in a doorway behind them looks like a 30s gangster in suit, tie, and jauntily tilted hat. Liadain Practical Blackwork Designs http://practicalblackwork.com http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com You get a wonderful view from the point of no return... -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Jill Hadfield Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 12:39 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shirt collars outside 40s coats? At 18:18 23/06/2011, you wrote: I'm just starting to notice on contemporary photographs from 1945-1955 that many men who wore suits or sport coats without ties often wore their unbuttoned shirt collars _outside_ the coat (i.e. on top of the coat's collar rather than tucked underneath). This was prevalent in England during that time and I'm sure, into the sixties. In fact I think I've seen photos from the thirties with this style - especially for hiking or camping. Jill JiGraH Resources - www.jigrah.co.uk Suppliers of products and services for Family and Local Historians Worldwide ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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The difference between farmers/immigrants and city people/first generation citizens? My immigrant grandfather who had been a farmer in the old country and in his youth here in the US, always wore a tie and a hat outside the house, even walking the dog, even in his 90s. My father, San Francisco born in 1930, was very American as a first generation person would be. He only visited the farm in Fresno for summer, never worked there. There are lots of pictures of Dad, the dandy of his family, in the 1940s and into the 50s with his collar outside his jacket. LynnD On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Tracy Thallas fathal...@collinscom.netwrote: Maybe it was the Rebel Without A Cause style of the era? Funny, I never think of open collars + pre-WWII... even pics of my grandfather, etc, from the farm had shirts buttoned all the way up. Liadain Practical Blackwork Designs http://practicalblackwork.com http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com You get a wonderful view from the point of no return... -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Downward Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 12:54 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shirt collars outside 40s coats? And pictures of my dapper father in his teens and twentys with the same style in San Francisco. I think it was a universal style for casual wear. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Tracy Thallas fathal...@collinscom.netwrote: I have a photo of my father and uncle strolling down a street in Atlanta, Suits and white shirts, collars open and over the coats, no hats. In contrast, a man seen in a doorway behind them looks like a 30s gangster in suit, tie, and jauntily tilted hat. Liadain Practical Blackwork Designs http://practicalblackwork.com http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com You get a wonderful view from the point of no return... -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Jill Hadfield Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 12:39 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shirt collars outside 40s coats? At 18:18 23/06/2011, you wrote: I'm just starting to notice on contemporary photographs from 1945-1955 that many men who wore suits or sport coats without ties often wore their unbuttoned shirt collars _outside_ the coat (i.e. on top of the coat's collar rather than tucked underneath). This was prevalent in England during that time and I'm sure, into the sixties. In fact I think I've seen photos from the thirties with this style - especially for hiking or camping. Jill JiGraH Resources - www.jigrah.co.uk Suppliers of products and services for Family and Local Historians Worldwide ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Shirt collars outside 40s coats?
Could be. My husband's father and uncle were immigrants from Greece in the 10s, and dressed very properly all their lives. Their sons seemed to have been more inclined to hep cat-ness. ;-) On my father's side, seems more a case of farm/conservative vs townie/newest fashion. Interesting! Time for more photo-hunting! Liadain Practical Blackwork Designs http://practicalblackwork.com http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com You get a wonderful view from the point of no return... -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Downward Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 1:20 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shirt collars outside 40s coats? The difference between farmers/immigrants and city people/first generation citizens? My immigrant grandfather who had been a farmer in the old country and in his youth here in the US, always wore a tie and a hat outside the house, even walking the dog, even in his 90s. My father, San Francisco born in 1930, was very American as a first generation person would be. He only visited the farm in Fresno for summer, never worked there. There are lots of pictures of Dad, the dandy of his family, in the 1940s and into the 50s with his collar outside his jacket. LynnD ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
