Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants
Amelia Bloomer gets the credit, but she and her sister and other friends were not the first to make the bifurcated scene . There were several religious groups who tried a fashion reform as a peculiar identity for their sect as well as diversity clothing. Robert Owen with his group at New Harmony in Indiana was one of these. Also the Graham group wore bifurcated garments as a hygienic improvement. I am remembering that this was probably the origin that the Seneca ladies chose. Lucy Stone wore it for a while but when the costume was getting more attention than the message(Women's Rights), she felt bound to put it aside. From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of R Lloyd Mitchell [rmitch...@washjeff.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:40 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants No one seems to have mentioned bifurcated garments...19th C. review and philosophy of women wearing male garments...including Bible Quotations...Lots of interesting examples there! From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Rickard, Patty [ricka...@mountunion.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:30 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants I guess I should read all the posts before replying - fun memories. Patty -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Rickard, Patty Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:06 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants And let's not forget clam-diggers - similar to either capri pants or pedal-pushers, also from around the 1950s. Patty -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of aqua...@patriot.net Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:07 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants There was a short fad for knickers in the mid to late 1970s for women. Gauchos were another one, loose pants that ended below the knee - sort of like a split skirt. For both, you might wear them with a blouse and matching vest. Culottes were a skirt/shorts combo, just above the knee. They might have a wide leg or a separate panel for the skirt effect. Sporty, I remember my mom wearing them for golfing. Capri pants are high ankle or low calf length, and are currently fashionable, and were various times back as far as the 1950s. I think of Audrey Hepburn in them. Pedal pushers were long-ish shorts, I think just below the knee? But a regular pants width, not flared and not gathered. I remember them from the 1960s, but could be earlier. -Carol On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Sybella mae...@gmail.com wrote: In the '80s people called pants that ended just below the knee knickers. Assuming you mean 1980s: I recall Capri pants for women,not knickers. Before that, they were peddle pushers. And I think there's at least one other name for them. Knee highs, maybe? It seems every time they come back into fashion, they are called something else. Probably, pedal-pushers as that what my mom called the things they went bicycling in in the 1950s. Also, Knickers strikes me as something an early 20th c golfer or upperclass sport hunter (male) might wear. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Hello! Thank you, everyone! I am happily surprised with the amount of answers! It makes me afraid of asking What do you call that little nibby bit on the end of a shoe lace? Just kidding on that. Henry ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Aiglet... Katheryne (ducking and giggling) On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 2:41 PM, cc2010m...@cs.com wrote: Hello! Thank you, everyone! I am happily surprised with the amount of answers! It makes me afraid of asking What do you call that little nibby bit on the end of a shoe lace? Just kidding on that. Henry ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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This time of year maybe we should say egglet? Ceit -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Purple Kat Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 2:48 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants Aiglet... Katheryne (ducking and giggling) On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 2:41 PM, cc2010m...@cs.com wrote: Hello! Thank you, everyone! I am happily surprised with the amount of answers! It makes me afraid of asking What do you call that little nibby bit on the end of a shoe lace? Just kidding on that. Henry ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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oh n,,, not pun-ishment.. SIGH ,, I guess the yolks on me ... Katheryne On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Rickard, Patty ricka...@mountunion.edu wrote: This time of year maybe we should say egglet? Ceit -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Purple Kat Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 2:48 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants Aiglet... Katheryne (ducking and giggling) On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 2:41 PM, cc2010m...@cs.com wrote: Hello! Thank you, everyone! I am happily surprised with the amount of answers! It makes me afraid of asking What do you call that little nibby bit on the end of a shoe lace? Just kidding on that. Henry ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I had a pair of dark red corduroy knickerbockers in the early 1980s. Being used to wearing breeches as a musketeer in the Sealed Knot, and finding them comfortable, I was happy to follow the fashion. I remember my mother telling me years ago that plus-fours were so called because they had an extra four inches in the width (rather than the length). Don't know how correct that is. I think we were looking at an old photo of my dad in them. He was never a golfer, so the fashion must have been taken up for general wear. Kate Bunting Librarian 17th century reenactor Derby, UK _ The University of Derby has a published policy regarding email and reserves the right to monitor email traffic. If you believe this email was sent to you in error, please notify the sender and delete this email. Please direct any concerns to info...@derby.ac.uk. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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And let's not forget clam-diggers - similar to either capri pants or pedal-pushers, also from around the 1950s. Patty -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of aqua...@patriot.net Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:07 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants There was a short fad for knickers in the mid to late 1970s for women. Gauchos were another one, loose pants that ended below the knee - sort of like a split skirt. For both, you might wear them with a blouse and matching vest. Culottes were a skirt/shorts combo, just above the knee. They might have a wide leg or a separate panel for the skirt effect. Sporty, I remember my mom wearing them for golfing. Capri pants are high ankle or low calf length, and are currently fashionable, and were various times back as far as the 1950s. I think of Audrey Hepburn in them. Pedal pushers were long-ish shorts, I think just below the knee? But a regular pants width, not flared and not gathered. I remember them from the 1960s, but could be earlier. -Carol On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Sybella mae...@gmail.com wrote: In the '80s people called pants that ended just below the knee knickers. Assuming you mean 1980s: I recall Capri pants for women,not knickers. Before that, they were peddle pushers. And I think there's at least one other name for them. Knee highs, maybe? It seems every time they come back into fashion, they are called something else. Probably, pedal-pushers as that what my mom called the things they went bicycling in in the 1950s. Also, Knickers strikes me as something an early 20th c golfer or upperclass sport hunter (male) might wear. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I guess I should read all the posts before replying - fun memories. Patty -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Rickard, Patty Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:06 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants And let's not forget clam-diggers - similar to either capri pants or pedal-pushers, also from around the 1950s. Patty -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of aqua...@patriot.net Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:07 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants There was a short fad for knickers in the mid to late 1970s for women. Gauchos were another one, loose pants that ended below the knee - sort of like a split skirt. For both, you might wear them with a blouse and matching vest. Culottes were a skirt/shorts combo, just above the knee. They might have a wide leg or a separate panel for the skirt effect. Sporty, I remember my mom wearing them for golfing. Capri pants are high ankle or low calf length, and are currently fashionable, and were various times back as far as the 1950s. I think of Audrey Hepburn in them. Pedal pushers were long-ish shorts, I think just below the knee? But a regular pants width, not flared and not gathered. I remember them from the 1960s, but could be earlier. -Carol On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Sybella mae...@gmail.com wrote: In the '80s people called pants that ended just below the knee knickers. Assuming you mean 1980s: I recall Capri pants for women,not knickers. Before that, they were peddle pushers. And I think there's at least one other name for them. Knee highs, maybe? It seems every time they come back into fashion, they are called something else. Probably, pedal-pushers as that what my mom called the things they went bicycling in in the 1950s. Also, Knickers strikes me as something an early 20th c golfer or upperclass sport hunter (male) might wear. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Seems to me that my daughter (27) and several students (college/high school) recently (in the past 2-3 years) was wearing 'floods'jeans cuffed up to the lower calf. Kate Pinner Costume Scenic Design Tech. Coord., Kelsey Theatre, MCCC 609-570-3584 pinn...@mccc.edu From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [h-costume-boun...@indra.com] on behalf of Rickard, Patty [ricka...@mountunion.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:06 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants And let's not forget clam-diggers - similar to either capri pants or pedal-pushers, also from around the 1950s. Patty -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of aqua...@patriot.net Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:07 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants There was a short fad for knickers in the mid to late 1970s for women. Gauchos were another one, loose pants that ended below the knee - sort of like a split skirt. For both, you might wear them with a blouse and matching vest. Culottes were a skirt/shorts combo, just above the knee. They might have a wide leg or a separate panel for the skirt effect. Sporty, I remember my mom wearing them for golfing. Capri pants are high ankle or low calf length, and are currently fashionable, and were various times back as far as the 1950s. I think of Audrey Hepburn in them. Pedal pushers were long-ish shorts, I think just below the knee? But a regular pants width, not flared and not gathered. I remember them from the 1960s, but could be earlier. -Carol On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Sybella mae...@gmail.com wrote: In the '80s people called pants that ended just below the knee knickers. Assuming you mean 1980s: I recall Capri pants for women,not knickers. Before that, they were peddle pushers. And I think there's at least one other name for them. Knee highs, maybe? It seems every time they come back into fashion, they are called something else. Probably, pedal-pushers as that what my mom called the things they went bicycling in in the 1950s. Also, Knickers strikes me as something an early 20th c golfer or upperclass sport hunter (male) might wear. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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No one seems to have mentioned bifurcated garments...19th C. review and philosophy of women wearing male garments...including Bible Quotations...Lots of interesting examples there! From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Rickard, Patty [ricka...@mountunion.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:30 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants I guess I should read all the posts before replying - fun memories. Patty -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Rickard, Patty Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:06 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants And let's not forget clam-diggers - similar to either capri pants or pedal-pushers, also from around the 1950s. Patty -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of aqua...@patriot.net Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:07 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants There was a short fad for knickers in the mid to late 1970s for women. Gauchos were another one, loose pants that ended below the knee - sort of like a split skirt. For both, you might wear them with a blouse and matching vest. Culottes were a skirt/shorts combo, just above the knee. They might have a wide leg or a separate panel for the skirt effect. Sporty, I remember my mom wearing them for golfing. Capri pants are high ankle or low calf length, and are currently fashionable, and were various times back as far as the 1950s. I think of Audrey Hepburn in them. Pedal pushers were long-ish shorts, I think just below the knee? But a regular pants width, not flared and not gathered. I remember them from the 1960s, but could be earlier. -Carol On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Sybella mae...@gmail.com wrote: In the '80s people called pants that ended just below the knee knickers. Assuming you mean 1980s: I recall Capri pants for women,not knickers. Before that, they were peddle pushers. And I think there's at least one other name for them. Knee highs, maybe? It seems every time they come back into fashion, they are called something else. Probably, pedal-pushers as that what my mom called the things they went bicycling in in the 1950s. Also, Knickers strikes me as something an early 20th c golfer or upperclass sport hunter (male) might wear. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants
There was a short fad for knickers in the mid to late 1970s for women. Gauchos were another one, loose pants that ended below the knee - sort of like a split skirt. For both, you might wear them with a blouse and matching vest. Culottes were a skirt/shorts combo, just above the knee. They might have a wide leg or a separate panel for the skirt effect. Sporty, I remember my mom wearing them for golfing. Capri pants are high ankle or low calf length, and are currently fashionable, and were various times back as far as the 1950s. I think of Audrey Hepburn in them. Pedal pushers were long-ish shorts, I think just below the knee? But a regular pants width, not flared and not gathered. I remember them from the 1960s, but could be earlier. -Carol On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Sybella mae...@gmail.com wrote: In the '80s people called pants that ended just below the knee knickers. Assuming you mean 1980s: I recall Capri pants for women,not knickers. Before that, they were peddle pushers. And I think there's at least one other name for them. Knee highs, maybe? It seems every time they come back into fashion, they are called something else. Probably, pedal-pushers as that what my mom called the things they went bicycling in in the 1950s. Also, Knickers strikes me as something an early 20th c golfer or upperclass sport hunter (male) might wear. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Yes, I did mean the 1980s and capri is another one, Cynthia! And Carol may be right, where my memories blended '70s with the '80s...but I do distinctly remember asking Mom to take me shopping for a pair of knickers, pants that came to a gather just below the knee, during my childhood. Honestly, it's something I'd rather not admit to so I'll trust you all to keep it a secret! ;) Like I said, every time they come back into fashion, there's a new name for the same recycled style! LOL! 'Bella On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 1:06 PM, aqua...@patriot.net wrote: There was a short fad for knickers in the mid to late 1970s for women. Gauchos were another one, loose pants that ended below the knee - sort of like a split skirt. For both, you might wear them with a blouse and matching vest. Culottes were a skirt/shorts combo, just above the knee. They might have a wide leg or a separate panel for the skirt effect. Sporty, I remember my mom wearing them for golfing. Capri pants are high ankle or low calf length, and are currently fashionable, and were various times back as far as the 1950s. I think of Audrey Hepburn in them. Pedal pushers were long-ish shorts, I think just below the knee? But a regular pants width, not flared and not gathered. I remember them from the 1960s, but could be earlier. -Carol On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Sybella mae...@gmail.com wrote: In the '80s people called pants that ended just below the knee knickers. Assuming you mean 1980s: I recall Capri pants for women,not knickers. Before that, they were peddle pushers. And I think there's at least one other name for them. Knee highs, maybe? It seems every time they come back into fashion, they are called something else. Probably, pedal-pushers as that what my mom called the things they went bicycling in in the 1950s. Also, Knickers strikes me as something an early 20th c golfer or upperclass sport hunter (male) might wear. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Bella - I won't tell if you won't tell that I actually had a pattern very similar to this one. Like so many other fashionable items that I thought would put me in the cool kid category, I didn't actually ever make them... http://momspatterns.com/inc/sdetail/95681 - Hope On 3/20/13 5:11 PM, Sybella wrote: Honestly, it's something I'd rather not admit to so I'll trust you all to keep it a secret! ;) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Another name, at least in southeast Virginia, was 'clam diggers'. Kate Pinner Costume Scenic Design Tech. Coord., Kelsey Theatre, MCCC 609-570-3584 pinn...@mccc.edu Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants Bella - I won't tell if you won't tell that I actually had a pattern very similar to this one. Like so many other fashionable items that I thought would put me in the cool kid category, I didn't actually ever make them... http://momspatterns.com/inc/sdetail/95681 - Hope On 3/20/13 5:11 PM, Sybella wrote: Honestly, it's something I'd rather not admit to so I'll trust you all to keep it a secret! ;) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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LOL! I'm laughing my butt off over here. Hope, thanks for trying but you can't pull the embarrassment card unless you wore them! You have spared yourself a lifetime of shame by not using that pattern! :) Clam diggers Great one!!! I'm surprised I forgot that one. It and peddle pushers are my favorite names for this horrid, fashion blight! 'Bella On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Kathryn Pinner pinn...@mccc.edu wrote: Another name, at least in southeast Virginia, was 'clam diggers'. Kate Pinner Costume Scenic Design Tech. Coord., Kelsey Theatre, MCCC 609-570-3584 pinn...@mccc.edu Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants Bella - I won't tell if you won't tell that I actually had a pattern very similar to this one. Like so many other fashionable items that I thought would put me in the cool kid category, I didn't actually ever make them... http://momspatterns.com/inc/sdetail/95681 - Hope On 3/20/13 5:11 PM, Sybella wrote: Honestly, it's something I'd rather not admit to so I'll trust you all to keep it a secret! ;) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I don't know... When i was five and six I had peddle pushers and felt pretty cute in the - in the late 1950s. Alas, no bike with which to push peddles. I love words and this has been a really interesting topic! LynnD On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Sybella mae...@gmail.com wrote: LOL! I'm laughing my butt off over here. Hope, thanks for trying but you can't pull the embarrassment card unless you wore them! You have spared yourself a lifetime of shame by not using that pattern! :) Clam diggers Great one!!! I'm surprised I forgot that one. It and peddle pushers are my favorite names for this horrid, fashion blight! 'Bella On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Kathryn Pinner pinn...@mccc.edu wrote: Another name, at least in southeast Virginia, was 'clam diggers'. Kate Pinner Costume Scenic Design Tech. Coord., Kelsey Theatre, MCCC 609-570-3584 pinn...@mccc.edu Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants Bella - I won't tell if you won't tell that I actually had a pattern very similar to this one. Like so many other fashionable items that I thought would put me in the cool kid category, I didn't actually ever make them... http://momspatterns.com/inc/sdetail/95681 - Hope On 3/20/13 5:11 PM, Sybella wrote: Honestly, it's something I'd rather not admit to so I'll trust you all to keep it a secret! ;) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Ah, I remember my New Romantic days, those wonderful black velvet knickerbockers and frilly white blouse! But in the UK, certainly modernly, it's always knickerbockers. Knickers are female underwear, only. The idea of (male) baseball players routinely wearing knickers is hilarious! Jean On 20/03/2013 21:11, Sybella wrote: Yes, I did mean the 1980s and capri is another one, Cynthia! And Carol may be right, where my memories blended '70s with the '80s...but I do distinctly remember asking Mom to take me shopping for a pair of knickers, pants that came to a gather just below the knee, during my childhood. Honestly, it's something I'd rather not admit to so I'll trust you all to keep it a secret! ;) Like I said, every time they come back into fashion, there's a new name for the same recycled style! LOL! 'Bella On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 1:06 PM, aqua...@patriot.net wrote: There was a short fad for knickers in the mid to late 1970s for women. Gauchos were another one, loose pants that ended below the knee - sort of like a split skirt. For both, you might wear them with a blouse and matching vest. Culottes were a skirt/shorts combo, just above the knee. They might have a wide leg or a separate panel for the skirt effect. Sporty, I remember my mom wearing them for golfing. Capri pants are high ankle or low calf length, and are currently fashionable, and were various times back as far as the 1950s. I think of Audrey Hepburn in them. Pedal pushers were long-ish shorts, I think just below the knee? But a regular pants width, not flared and not gathered. I remember them from the 1960s, but could be earlier. -Carol On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Sybella mae...@gmail.com wrote: In the '80s people called pants that ended just below the knee knickers. Assuming you mean 1980s: I recall Capri pants for women,not knickers. Before that, they were peddle pushers. And I think there's at least one other name for them. Knee highs, maybe? It seems every time they come back into fashion, they are called something else. Probably, pedal-pushers as that what my mom called the things they went bicycling in in the 1950s. Also, Knickers strikes me as something an early 20th c golfer or upperclass sport hunter (male) might wear. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Hey, be loud and proud about your sartorial choices. I had two pairs of knickers I got in my last year or two of high school--'81 or '82--the kind with the band just below the knee. One pair was a tasteful tweed. The other was lilac corduroy that I wore with cream colored socks and lavender shoes. I actually had two pairs of lavender shoes, but only one pair was deemed dressy enough for the knickers. After that, I stopped following fads... Terry -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sybella Yes, I did mean the 1980s and capri is another one, Cynthia! And Carol may be right, where my memories blended '70s with the '80s...but I do distinctly remember asking Mom to take me shopping for a pair of knickers, pants that came to a gather just below the knee, during my childhood. Honestly, it's something I'd rather not admit to so I'll trust you all to keep it a secret! ;) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Tongue stuck firmly in cheek: It never changes. Some guy (Charles Worth, for example) decides we all need to wear hoop skirts (for example) and we all follow along. I bet it's been going on since Mankind first started wearing clothes. And I don't mean only women who follow fashion slavishly; men are right in there too. We finally figure it out, Terry figured it out once she got out of high school. It takes other people decades to realize that the most up to date fashion isn't always the one for them. I love people! And what would we costumers do if no one followed fashion? How could we tell an 1875 bonnet from an 1885 one? Lynn On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Terry twal...@us.net wrote: Hey, be loud and proud about your sartorial choices. I had two pairs of knickers I got in my last year or two of high school--'81 or '82--the kind with the band just below the knee. One pair was a tasteful tweed. The other was lilac corduroy that I wore with cream colored socks and lavender shoes. I actually had two pairs of lavender shoes, but only one pair was deemed dressy enough for the knickers. After that, I stopped following fads... Terry -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sybella Yes, I did mean the 1980s and capri is another one, Cynthia! And Carol may be right, where my memories blended '70s with the '80s...but I do distinctly remember asking Mom to take me shopping for a pair of knickers, pants that came to a gather just below the knee, during my childhood. Honestly, it's something I'd rather not admit to so I'll trust you all to keep it a secret! ;) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I wore gauchos for my modeling portfolio in 1977 and my husband bought me a red corduroy knicker jumpsuit in 1982. Still have both of them. Penny Ladnier The Costume Gallery Websites Www.costumegallery.com From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network. Original message From: Lynn Downward lynndownw...@gmail.com Date: 03/20/2013 7:08 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants Tongue stuck firmly in cheek: It never changes. Some guy (Charles Worth, for example) decides we all need to wear hoop skirts (for example) and we all follow along. I bet it's been going on since Mankind first started wearing clothes. And I don't mean only women who follow fashion slavishly; men are right in there too. We finally figure it out, Terry figured it out once she got out of high school. It takes other people decades to realize that the most up to date fashion isn't always the one for them. I love people! And what would we costumers do if no one followed fashion? How could we tell an 1875 bonnet from an 1885 one? Lynn On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Terry twal...@us.net wrote: Hey, be loud and proud about your sartorial choices. I had two pairs of knickers I got in my last year or two of high school--'81 or '82--the kind with the band just below the knee. One pair was a tasteful tweed. The other was lilac corduroy that I wore with cream colored socks and lavender shoes. I actually had two pairs of lavender shoes, but only one pair was deemed dressy enough for the knickers. After that, I stopped following fads... Terry -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sybella Yes, I did mean the 1980s and capri is another one, Cynthia! And Carol may be right, where my memories blended '70s with the '80s...but I do distinctly remember asking Mom to take me shopping for a pair of knickers, pants that came to a gather just below the knee, during my childhood. Honestly, it's something I'd rather not admit to so I'll trust you all to keep it a secret! ;) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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in the 1980s I had green velvet knee breeches/knickers a la Princess Diana, and several pairs of (vintage, 20s or 30s) natural linen jodhpurs a la Ralph Lauren. I just thought I'd throw in a mention of the jodhpurs, because both styles looked great on me. I enjoy following fashion trends I really like, but since most trends are not historic (which to me is pre-1930), I follow many of the historic ones and ignore most of the others. Fran Lavolta Press www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress On 3/20/2013 3:57 PM, Terry wrote: Hey, be loud and proud about your sartorial choices. I had two pairs of snip ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I look absolutely horrible in both jumpsuits and farmer-style overalls, so have never worn either style. Pity, because farmer overalls can be cute, though I've never liked jumpsuits. Fran Books on making historic clothing www.lavoltapress.com On 3/20/2013 4:24 PM, costumegal66 wrote: I wore gauchos for my modeling portfolio in 1977 and my husband bought me a red corduroy knicker jumpsuit in 1982. Still have both of them. Penny Ladnier The Costume Gallery Websites Www.costumegallery.com From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network. Original message From: Lynn Downward lynndownw...@gmail.com Date: 03/20/2013 7:08 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants Tongue stuck firmly in cheek: It never changes. Some guy (Charles Worth, for example) decides we all need to wear hoop skirts (for example) and we all follow along. I bet it's been going on since Mankind first started wearing clothes. And I don't mean only women who follow fashion slavishly; men are right in there too. We finally figure it out, Terry figured it out once she got out of high school. It takes other people decades to realize that the most up to date fashion isn't always the one for them. I love people! And what would we costumers do if no one followed fashion? How could we tell an 1875 bonnet from an 1885 one? Lynn On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Terry twal...@us.net wrote: Hey, be loud and proud about your sartorial choices. I had two pairs of knickers I got in my last year or two of high school--'81 or '82--the kind with the band just below the knee. One pair was a tasteful tweed. The other was lilac corduroy that I wore with cream colored socks and lavender shoes. I actually had two pairs of lavender shoes, but only one pair was deemed dressy enough for the knickers. After that, I stopped following fads... Terry -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sybella Yes, I did mean the 1980s and capri is another one, Cynthia! And Carol may be right, where my memories blended '70s with the '80s...but I do distinctly remember asking Mom to take me shopping for a pair of knickers, pants that came to a gather just below the knee, during my childhood. Honestly, it's something I'd rather not admit to so I'll trust you all to keep it a secret! ;) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] terms or pants
Hey, be loud and proud about your sartorial choices. Terry ** definitely G Tongue stuck firmly in cheek: It never changes. Some guy (Charles Worth, for example) decides we all need to wear hoop skirts (for example) and we all follow along. I bet it's been going on since Mankind first started wearing clothes. And I don't mean only women who follow fashion slavishly; men are right in there too. We finally figure it out, **Too true. Why should I wear what somebody else decides on? I enjoy following fashion trends I really like, but since most trends are not historic (which to me is pre-1930), I follow many of the historic ones and ignore most of the others. Fran ** Exactly. That's why I sew. I can make things that look good on me regardless of what *they* say is in style. For me, 1920s is modern G Julie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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On 3/20/2013 5:34 PM, Jean Waddie wrote: But in the UK, certainly modernly, it's always knickerbockers. Knickers are female underwear, only. One of my favorite speakers on costume history once began a lecture at an international conference by saying, I considered giving this presentation wearing knickers and a vest. The Americans in the audience may have thought she had a quirky fashion sense, but the Brits were horrified. The speaker went on to discuss the problems of fashion terminology in historical sources. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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*giggle* Oh, yeah, I remember that, again, it was my mother's era to say *snigger* clam-diggers. I never did. I was too sophisticate a teenager in the 70s for that sort of thing. (Yeah, we're from Virginia, too, tho the Northern part.) --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Sybella mae...@gmail.com wrote: LOL! I'm laughing my butt off over here. 'Bella On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Kathryn Pinner pinn...@mccc.edu wrote: Another name, at least in southeast Virginia, was 'clam diggers'. Kate Pinner Costume Scenic Design ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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We recently moved back to the US after living in the UK for five years. While there, I never got used to the word pants meaning underwear. It was very embarrassing when we went into a Starbucks out of a downpour where the water had come up to my ankles. I turned with disgust to my husband and said, My pants are soaking wet!! Several people turned my way and just stared. I said, Trousers! I meant trousers! but it was too late. ;-) LOL Teena From: Robin Netherton ro...@netherton.net To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants One of my favorite speakers on costume history once began a lecture at an international conference by saying, I considered giving this presentation wearing knickers and a vest. The Americans in the audience may have thought she had a quirky fashion sense, but the Brits were horrified. The speaker went on to discuss the problems of fashion terminology in historical sources. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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*giggle* My husband had a similar issue with an English loan-word in Toyko. In Japan, many items, not just clothing, of Western origin have Japanese-ified names. For example, aparto is apartment, and co-hee is coffee. My spouse asked the concierge at one hotel desk if they could have his pant-su ironed. Unfortunately, as in the UK, he didnt mean *that*. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Beteena Paradise bete...@mostlymedieval.com wrote: We recently moved back to the US after living in the UK for five years. While there, I never got used to the word pants meaning underwear. It was very embarrassing when we went into a Starbucks out of a downpour where the water had come up to my ankles. I turned with disgust to my husband and said, My pants are soaking wet!! Several people turned my way and just stared. I said, Trousers! I meant trousers! but it was too late. ;-) LOL Teena ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
