Re: [h-cost] 1940s patterns on Ebay
Kim's suit looks very much like my Mother's Going Away suit--what she wore when she and my Dad left for their honeymoon (in Niagara Falls!). It, too, was a light gray pin-striped light-weight wool with pale pink piping and covered buttons, too. If memory serves, the collar was shaped just like that, too. Sadly, the suit is gone now, but it was still around when I was a teenager. They were married May 21, 1949. (Yes, they're celebrating their 60th anniversary in about 7 weeks!) At 10:58 AM 4/1/2009, you wrote: Please note that the copyright date on vintage commercial patterns NEVER matches the actual date of issue. For some reason, they copyright date, which is the only date I've ever seen on these, is always EARLIER than the actual pattern and style. The Vogue pattern (2885) looks very much like a wool wedding suit I have seen, from WWII. The suit was made by a tailor (the bride worked for him) and the jacket was straight on the bottom, not shaped like the Vogue pattern. The skirt was more A-line, less tapered. BTW, the suit was from Minnesota. I've put some photos on my facebook page, and anyone can access them via this link: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=67057id=529974599l=03d64ac9ae Kim ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1940s patterns
This quesstion is actullay about 1937. The childrens theate I work at is doing a play A Thousand Dresses. It's about a polish girl during I believe 1937. Does anyone know what would be worn during that time such as style fabric ex, cotton? thank you for your help. Lynn --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Sharon Nevin sharon.ne...@gmail.com wrote: From: Sharon Nevin sharon.ne...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1940s patterns To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 10:31 PM If you can, get hold of Australian home Journals or even do an ebay search for them to look at the covers. I believe they could help you. They were issued monthly and came with 2 or 3 patterns and had various articles on dress and home economic related things. The patterns were mostly dresses and occasional childrens clothes. I have seen the originals that some of the Simplicity retro reissues are based on up for sale on ebay. I have not seen those two particular patterns. Some of the Simplicity Retro are more inspired by the era, some are actually based on a pattern for that period. Occasionally I search ebay to find the original covers to compare the reissues to. I would like to buy the original vintage pattern but it hasn't been happening. The main difference bet ween vintage and reissues is the different block or sloper they are working from. From the comments I have read, simplicity's fit of reissued vintage pattern is dicier then vogues. Simplicity tends to bit a bit more intepretive. There are some difference between Vogue reissues and originals too but they are not as major. There are som bloggers who have compared the originals to reissues patterns but all the examples I have seen are from the 50s. The skirt in 4044 is very similar to a skirt vogue reissued pattern. I currently have a cat on my lap so can't check . If you are interested in the number I can dig it up later. I would normally move the cat but he is recovering from surgery and I haven't the heart to move him as he is being that much of a sook. Sharon Nevin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1940s patterns
Past Patterns also has many copies of 1940s patterns: http://www.pastpatterns.com/1940.html Katy On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Sharon Nevin sharon.ne...@gmail.com wrote: If you can, get hold of Australian home Journals or even do an ebay search for them to look at the covers. I believe they could help you. They were issued monthly and came with 2 or 3 patterns and had various articles on dress and home economic related things. The patterns were mostly dresses and occasional childrens clothes. I have seen the originals that some of the Simplicity retro reissues are based on up for sale on ebay. I have not seen those two particular patterns. Some of the Simplicity Retro are more inspired by the era, some are actually based on a pattern for that period. Occasionally I search ebay to find the original covers to compare the reissues to. I would like to buy the original vintage pattern but it hasn't been happening. The main difference bet ween vintage and reissues is the different block or sloper they are working from. From the comments I have read, simplicity's fit of reissued vintage pattern is dicier then vogues. Simplicity tends to bit a bit more intepretive. There are some difference between Vogue reissues and originals too but they are not as major. There are som bloggers who have compared the originals to reissues patterns but all the examples I have seen are from the 50s. The skirt in 4044 is very similar to a skirt vogue reissued pattern. I currently have a cat on my lap so can't check . If you are interested in the number I can dig it up later. I would normally move the cat but he is recovering from surgery and I haven't the heart to move him as he is being that much of a sook. Sharon Nevin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybisho...@gmail.comwww.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1940s patterns (can anyone narrow down the date)
Oops, looks like the Simplicity link didn't work the patterns I'm looking at are Simplicity 3688 http://www.simplicity.com/dv1_v4.cfm?design=3688 and Simplicity 4044 http://www.simplicity.com/dv1_v4.cfm?design=4044 Elizabeth -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Walpole Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 5:12 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: [h-cost] 1940s patterns (can anyone narrow down the date) Afternoon all, I was looking at simplicity's 1940s patterns but they only state the decade not the year, as I have done barely any research on 20th century fashion trends I really can't workout which end of the decade these patterns come from. My local costuming guild has tentative plans for something WWII themed for VP day (AKA VJ day) either this year or next so I thought having an appropriate pattern on hand would be useful I'd like to have something which wouldn't be the cutting edge of fashion in 1945 but maybe a couple of years old (although Australia's rationing wasn't as severe as that in Britain fabric was rationed, so new outfits would not be a common event). Would either of the 40s patterns on this page http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?crit=1065page=thumbnailCustom.cfmid=11 21StartRow=10 (3688 and 4044) be suitable for an early 1940s outfit? If all else fails I will probably pick up Vogue 2855 http://www.voguepatterns.com/item/V2885.htm?tab=vintage_voguepage=2 next time Vogue patterns are on sale, but Simplicity is cheaper (and goes on sale more often). Thanks Elizabeth --- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra, Australia http://magpiecostumer.110mb.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1940s patterns
Good Morning (my time!) Elizabeth, IMO, I would go with the Vogue pattern, for a different reason. Today, Butterick and Vogue are owned by the same company. I don't know if this was so in the 1940s. In my personal knowledge, this has been so since the 1970s. My books are in disarray right now, so I can't find my book the exact date of when they merged. According to 1919 Vogue magazines, they were separate companies. I do have Butterick's company history from the 1880s to 1920s and they were selling patterns in Australia. I have listing of exact cities that Butterick was sold worldwide from that time frame. Their patterns were sold in many countries since the 1880s. Vogue may be pulling their vintage pattern designs from old Butterick's patterns. Vogue was definitely publishing patterns in 1919, so they might be reproductions of their own patterns. OTOH, Simplicity has a habit of hiring present day, outside pattern designers to make their historic patterns. So I wouldn't trust it to be 100% accurate. I don't have at hand my book with Simplicity's company history. There is an email list on yahoogroups, called sewretro. The members work with the big-4 patterns all the time. They are VERY knowledgeable about reproduction historic patterns and can probably pin-point the date really well for you. The group focuses on sewing from 1930-1960s. The group's URL is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sewretro/ The members are also very helpful with sewing advice. Good luck! It sounds like a fun project. 1940s suits have fun details in topstitching and pockets. I would love to see the finished product! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 11 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1940s patterns
The Vogue pattern looks like several 1940s suits that I have seen in museum collections. The Simplicity patterns look more like their patterns from the late 1970s/early 1980s patterns when they went through a retro of the 1940s. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com 11 websites of fashion, textiles, costume history ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1940s patterns
Adding to Penny's useful post: If you want the real thing, eBay is a good source for old patterns, and they often have the precise year on them. Last time I did this (which was some years ago) I also found that there were a number of web vendors specializing in vintage patterns. Be aware that vintage patterns will have different numerical sizing, so you need to see the actual measurements on the back of the envelope to find out what your size would be in a particular period. Also, they were sized to fit the model figures of their own periods. Many of today's historical patterns have been revised to modern figures (bra shapes, for instance). Going for the real vintage patterns may actually be more useful if you have a figure that doesn't fit right in modern patterns ... but it may also mean you'll need to do some alteration to work over your modern undergarments. Even if you don't want a vintage pattern, a scan through the offerings may help you pinpoint particular fashion details by year, if you want to compare those to the ones in the modern lines. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1940s patterns
In a message dated 4/1/2009 3:29:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pe...@costumegallery.com writes: The Simplicity patterns look more like their patterns from the late 1970s/early 1980s patterns when they went through a retro of the 1940s. ** The fit on that 1st one of the jacket and skirt is awful! Look at that jacket! How could they let that go on the front of the pattern envelope??? But fitting is something you do after the pattern and cutting so... you could fit it to look good. I like the idea of pants (And the 1st pattern with the horribly fitted jacketthe pants outfit looks very period and not 70's) They are great for a casual affairand not the usual look but still correct. Fabric choices, as well as hair and makeup, help make things convincing. **New Low Prices on Dell Laptops – Starting at $399 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220631247x1201390185/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubl eclick.net%2Fclk%3B213540506%3B35046329%3Bx) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1940s patterns (can anyone narrow down the date)
If you're considering Simplicity patterns, I'd recommend the ones designed by Theresa LaQuey. She know the period inside and out, and does stunning custom work as well. And she must have good education skills, because she managed to do something I was never able to pull off: She taught my sister how to sew! Margo ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1940s patterns (can anyone narrow down the date)
Look online for images of vintage fashion. Some sites have actual magazine ads from the years you want, some even from Australia. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Walpole Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:12 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: [h-cost] 1940s patterns (can anyone narrow down the date) Afternoon all, I was looking at simplicity's 1940s patterns but they only state the decade not the year, as I have done barely any research on 20th century fashion trends I really can't workout which end of the decade these patterns come from. My local costuming guild has tentative plans for something WWII themed for VP day (AKA VJ day) either this year or next so I thought having an appropriate pattern on hand would be useful I'd like to have something which wouldn't be the cutting edge of fashion in 1945 but maybe a couple of years old (although Australia's rationing wasn't as severe as that in Britain fabric was rationed, so new outfits would not be a common event). Would either of the 40s patterns on this page http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?crit=1065page=thumbnailCustom.cfmid=11 21StartRow=10 (3688 and 4044) be suitable for an early 1940s outfit? If all else fails I will probably pick up Vogue 2855 http://www.voguepatterns.com/item/V2885.htm?tab=vintage_voguepage=2 next time Vogue patterns are on sale, but Simplicity is cheaper (and goes on sale more often). Thanks Elizabeth --- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra, Australia http://magpiecostumer.110mb.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1940s patterns (can anyone narrow down the date)
There was(is) a BBC show on PBS called Foyle's War - it is set in England during WWII. I know this won't help you with patterns, but it would help with seeing exactly what the common person would wear (hair, fabric choices, shoes, etc) during War Time England. Unfortunately the main character(s) are Civilian Police, but they deal with a lot of civilians. Hope this helps Katheryne who loves watching that for the historical information regarding simple things (rationing, fabrics, how the common person regarded the war) - Original Message - From: Margo Anderson If you're considering Simplicity patterns, I'd recommend the ones designed by Theresa LaQuey. She know the period inside and out, and does stunning custom work as well. And she must have good education skills, because she managed to do something I was never able to pull off: She taught my sister how to sew! Margo ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1940s patterns (can anyone narrow down the date)
In a message dated 4/1/2009 5:26:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, purpl...@optonline.net writes: There was(is) a BBC show on PBS called Foyle's War - it is set in England during WWII. **8 Funny, I immediately thought of Jewel in the Crowna miniseries in India at the closing years of the War. It's not England, and it's not Australia, but it is the Brits in a hot climateand on the same side of the planet as Australia so the look seems kinda right. I remember Judy Parfitt as the wonderfully awful alcoholic mother wearing pants at home a lot. A Granada Television production so it really looks like you're a fly on the wall witnessing the past. The production company completely disappears. It's real! (Of course it isn't...there's wardrobe, and lights and cameras and takes and extras and grips and best boys. but you'd never guess it.) A great miniseries. **New Low Prices on Dell Laptops – Starting at $399 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220631247x1201390185/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubl eclick.net%2Fclk%3B213540506%3B35046329%3Bx) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1940s patterns
One of my preferred websites for vintage patterns is www.lanetzliving.com. Janet, the owner, is very helpful. She is in the US and has a good selection of patterns--including knitwear, crochet and needlework--going back to the 1920's. Vintage patterns in larger sizes are a little harder to find. Most of the patterns from the 1940's that I have seen were from companies that no longer exist: Advance, DuBarry and Hollywood among others. I remember reading somewhere that the Vogue reproduction patterns have been resized the same way that Simplicity's have. Joan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1940s patterns
Fun project. It's a great era for suits. Another source is http://www.oldpatterns.com/ and Misch will sell you an original pattern. I also checked the vintage pattern lending library www.vpll.org/ but Jan doesnt have any suits available. Lots of dresses evening gowns, tho'. And FWIW, the Vogue patterns really are from their old catalog only the instructions markings are updated for modern seamstresses, or so I'm told. I have several like them lots.I have done the 1939 evening gown a heavily tailored jacket from the 30s 40s reprints. Just so you know, they do require a good fitting muslin they'll take a bit of tailoring expertise. The Simplicity's are too tamed or toned down to really read with that 40s flair. Of course, it's your choice; you get to wear it. --cin Cynthia Barnes (happy customer friend of owners) cinbar...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1940s patterns The Vogue pattern looks like several 1940s suits that I have seen in museum collections. The Simplicity patterns look more like their patterns from the late 1970s/early 1980s patterns when they went through a retro of the 1940s. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1940s patterns (can anyone narrow down the date)
-Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of albert...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2009 9:04 AM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1940s patterns (can anyone narrow down the date) In a message dated 4/1/2009 5:26:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, purpl...@optonline.net writes: There was(is) a BBC show on PBS called Foyle's War - it is set in England during WWII. **8 Funny, I immediately thought of Jewel in the Crowna miniseries in India at the closing years of the War. It's not England, and it's not Australia, but it is the Brits in a hot climateand on the same side of the planet as Australia so the look seems kinda right. ___ I have watched most of Foyle's War (the final episodes aired here late last year) and I agree it's got a lot of great details. I haven't seen Jewel in the Crown (I vaguely remember hearing about it) but as we're on the opposite side of the equator August is winter (and Canberra is much further from the equator than most of India), so I'd be more likely to go with British fashions. If we don't end up doing it this year I am tempted to see if I can find some episodes of The Sullivans a series made in the 80s and set in Australia during The War (I only have very vague memories of it so I have no idea what the level of accuracy was) but I have too many other projects between now and August to spend a lot of time on research this year. So anyway, the end of my saga is that even though virtually all the vintage patterns on the web are smaller sizes. I found an ebay seller who is selling a whole set of (vintage) size 20 patterns, and as I'm a size 20-22 in modern patterns it doesn't involve too much grading up (but grading up from a 12 or 14 was something I didn't want to have to do). So far I've won 1 pattern and I've bid on 3 others So thanks for the advice everyone, I am still contemplating the simplicity blouse pattern (3688) to wear under a jacket and the pants have good reviews on patternreview.com for modern wear, but for now I've got something I can use. Thanks Elizabeth --- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra, Australia http://magpiecostumer.110mb.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1940s patterns
If you can, get hold of Australian home Journals or even do an ebay search for them to look at the covers. I believe they could help you. They were issued monthly and came with 2 or 3 patterns and had various articles on dress and home economic related things. The patterns were mostly dresses and occasional childrens clothes. I have seen the originals that some of the Simplicity retro reissues are based on up for sale on ebay. I have not seen those two particular patterns. Some of the Simplicity Retro are more inspired by the era, some are actually based on a pattern for that period. Occasionally I search ebay to find the original covers to compare the reissues to. I would like to buy the original vintage pattern but it hasn't been happening. The main difference bet ween vintage and reissues is the different block or sloper they are working from. From the comments I have read, simplicity's fit of reissued vintage pattern is dicier then vogues. Simplicity tends to bit a bit more intepretive. There are some difference between Vogue reissues and originals too but they are not as major. There are som bloggers who have compared the originals to reissues patterns but all the examples I have seen are from the 50s. The skirt in 4044 is very similar to a skirt vogue reissued pattern. I currently have a cat on my lap so can't check . If you are interested in the number I can dig it up later. I would normally move the cat but he is recovering from surgery and I haven't the heart to move him as he is being that much of a sook. Sharon Nevin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
