Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians
One thing I do for my very expensive patterns is get clear plastic from the upholstery store and use it to copy out just the pieces I need. I can Ten save everything as the original to use in another size or nckline or what ever. Also the pieces I use over and over again are super tough and forgiving and don't warp so I can cut new muslins from it if the muslin warps. Ps, Yes purchased the pAttern years ago and it was worth twice the list price. The patterns them selves were amzing an the documentaion a Very helpfuk and enjoyable part of the whole Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Kathleen Norvell app...@aol.com Sender: h-costume-boun...@indra.com Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 22:24:04 To: h-cost...@indra.com Reply-To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians La Mode Bagatelle went out of business a couple of years ago and I don't know who bought their patterns. I have the Regency Wardrobe pattern package, which I've used several times and like. The instructions are pretty good -- better than most of its ilk. It was worth the price. I haven't used this one, but I have a friend who did and I think she was happy with it. Kathleen -Original Message- From: Marjorie wilser the3t...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:03 pm Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians Yeek. Just looked at the price! How familiar are you with the company (not mazon DG, the pattern produceer)? ==Marjorie (swooning from sticker shock) ent from my amazing iPad On Oct 24, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Kathleen Norvell app...@aol.com wrote: This was the pattern I was thinking of when I mentioned Aesthetic Dress -- rtistic Reform is another term for it. I did not know if the pattern was still vailable. It's a beautiful, authentic Victorian gown. Kathleen -Original Message- From: Wicked Frau wickedf...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:08 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians Unboned corsets work fabulously. I use them for riding. Also, you might want to look into this: http://www.amazondrygoods.com/products/la-mode-bagatelle-victorian-artistic-reform-tea-gowns.html ___ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians
I think that it may be Ravenrook who prints the patterns now. http://www.ravenrook.com/ Sharon On 25/10/13 3:24 AM, Kathleen Norvell wrote: La Mode Bagatelle went out of business a couple of years ago and I don't know who bought their patterns. I have the Regency Wardrobe pattern package, which I've used several times and like. The instructions are pretty good -- better than most of its ilk. It was worth the price. I haven't used this one, but I have a friend who did and I think she was happy with it. Kathleen -Original Message- From: Marjorie wilserthe3t...@gmail.com To: Historical Costumeh-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:03 pm Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians Yeek. Just looked at the price! How familiar are you with the company (not mazon DG, the pattern produceer)? ==Marjorie (swooning from sticker shock) ent from my amazing iPad On Oct 24, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Kathleen Norvellapp...@aol.com wrote: This was the pattern I was thinking of when I mentioned Aesthetic Dress -- rtistic Reform is another term for it. I did not know if the pattern was still vailable. It's a beautiful, authentic Victorian gown. Kathleen -Original Message- From: Wicked Frauwickedf...@gmail.com To: Historical Costumeh-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:08 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians Unboned corsets work fabulously. I use them for riding. Also, you might want to look into this: http://www.amazondrygoods.com/products/la-mode-bagatelle-victorian-artistic-reform-tea-gowns.html ___ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians
Unboned corsets work fabulously. I use them for riding. Also, you might want to look into this: http://www.amazondrygoods.com/products/la-mode-bagatelle-victorian-artistic-reform-tea-gowns.html Apparently there was a movement during this time to wear unrestricted clothing. As I recall, the pattern information itself states that these were designed not as absolutely historically accurate. I will look at mine later today and refresh my memory. They are such beautiful dresses Sg (on the other side of Phoenix, Buckwheat) On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Nordtorp-Madson, Michelle A. manordto...@stthomas.edu wrote: After a couple of surgeries I now wear a compression camisole most of the time, except to exercise. They really are comfortable if done right. From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [h-costume-boun...@indra.com] on behalf of Cactus [shirleyjho...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 4:11 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians I'm thinking maybe not tie the corsets so snugly. They are actually very comfortable to wear. Or look into corded stays rather than boned stays. Cactus Apache Junction, AZ From: Kathleen Norvell app...@aol.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians Aylwen, For Victorian, maybe the musicians could adopt Aesthetic dress, which requires no corsets. Just a thought. Kathleen -Original Message- From: Aylwen Gardiner-Garden aylwe...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Mon, Oct 21, 2013 12:57 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians I'm thinking about Victorian fashion here. Are there any pictures of women itting down playing music? I've seen women corsetted when standing up laying the violin, but how did they manage playing the piano? Or are my usicians complaining too much? 'm right at the beginning in my research so far. any thanks, ylwen n 21 October 2013 15:48, Elizabeth Jones elizabethrjones2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Aylwen, What have you tried so far? If we know what's already been tried there won't need to be any re-inventing of the wheel. For anything pre-1600 you are fairly safe to skip boning for anyone who isn't extremely high fashion (and musicians paid to perform for a ball definitely weren't high fashion) Elizabeth On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden aylwe...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friends Our dance group prides itself on wearing historically correct gowns and undergarments for our dance performances, but it is not comfortable for our pianist and other musicians. I am exploring ways I can bone the bodices of the gowns and still give sitting-down musicians breathing space - but still have the garments look close-to-accurate. Can anyone offer me any advice? We costume from 1450 through to 1900 - all styles along the way. Many thanks, Aylwen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Aylwen Gardiner-Garden* *Jane Austen Festival Australia http://www.janeaustenfestival.com.au/ * Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academyhttp://www.earthlydelights.com.au/ John Gardiner-Garden's Historic Dance book erieshttp://www.lulu.com/spotlight/earthlydelights __ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- -Sg- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians
This was the pattern I was thinking of when I mentioned Aesthetic Dress -- Artistic Reform is another term for it. I did not know if the pattern was still available. It's a beautiful, authentic Victorian gown. Kathleen -Original Message- From: Wicked Frau wickedf...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:08 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians Unboned corsets work fabulously. I use them for riding. Also, you might ant to look into this: ttp://www.amazondrygoods.com/products/la-mode-bagatelle-victorian-artistic-reform-tea-gowns.html pparently there was a movement during this time to wear unrestricted lothing. As I recall, the pattern information itself states that these ere designed not as absolutely historically accurate. I will look at mine ater today and refresh my memory. They are such beautiful dresses Sg (on the other side of Phoenix, Buckwheat) n Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Nordtorp-Madson, Michelle A. anordto...@stthomas.edu wrote: After a couple of surgeries I now wear a compression camisole most of the time, except to exercise. They really are comfortable if done right. From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [h-costume-boun...@indra.com] on behalf of Cactus [shirleyjho...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 4:11 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians I'm thinking maybe not tie the corsets so snugly. They are actually very comfortable to wear. Or look into corded stays rather than boned stays. Cactus Apache Junction, AZ From: Kathleen Norvell app...@aol.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians Aylwen, For Victorian, maybe the musicians could adopt Aesthetic dress, which requires no corsets. Just a thought. Kathleen -Original Message- From: Aylwen Gardiner-Garden aylwe...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Mon, Oct 21, 2013 12:57 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians I'm thinking about Victorian fashion here. Are there any pictures of women itting down playing music? I've seen women corsetted when standing up laying the violin, but how did they manage playing the piano? Or are my usicians complaining too much? 'm right at the beginning in my research so far. any thanks, ylwen n 21 October 2013 15:48, Elizabeth Jones elizabethrjones2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Aylwen, What have you tried so far? If we know what's already been tried there won't need to be any re-inventing of the wheel. For anything pre-1600 you are fairly safe to skip boning for anyone who isn't extremely high fashion (and musicians paid to perform for a ball definitely weren't high fashion) Elizabeth On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden aylwe...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friends Our dance group prides itself on wearing historically correct gowns and undergarments for our dance performances, but it is not comfortable for our pianist and other musicians. I am exploring ways I can bone the bodices of the gowns and still give sitting-down musicians breathing space - but still have the garments look close-to-accurate. Can anyone offer me any advice? We costume from 1450 through to 1900 - all styles along the way. Many thanks, Aylwen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Aylwen Gardiner-Garden* *Jane Austen Festival Australia http://www.janeaustenfestival.com.au/ * Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academyhttp://www.earthlydelights.com.au/ John Gardiner-Garden's Historic Dance book erieshttp://www.lulu.com/spotlight/earthlydelights __ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Sg- __ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians
Yeek. Just looked at the price! How familiar are you with the company (not Amazon DG, the pattern produceer)? ==Marjorie (swooning from sticker shock) Sent from my amazing iPad On Oct 24, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Kathleen Norvell app...@aol.com wrote: This was the pattern I was thinking of when I mentioned Aesthetic Dress -- Artistic Reform is another term for it. I did not know if the pattern was still available. It's a beautiful, authentic Victorian gown. Kathleen -Original Message- From: Wicked Frau wickedf...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:08 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians Unboned corsets work fabulously. I use them for riding. Also, you might want to look into this: http://www.amazondrygoods.com/products/la-mode-bagatelle-victorian-artistic-reform-tea-gowns.html ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians
La Mode Bagatelle went out of business a couple of years ago and I don't know who bought their patterns. I have the Regency Wardrobe pattern package, which I've used several times and like. The instructions are pretty good -- better than most of its ilk. It was worth the price. I haven't used this one, but I have a friend who did and I think she was happy with it. Kathleen -Original Message- From: Marjorie wilser the3t...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:03 pm Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians Yeek. Just looked at the price! How familiar are you with the company (not mazon DG, the pattern produceer)? ==Marjorie (swooning from sticker shock) ent from my amazing iPad On Oct 24, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Kathleen Norvell app...@aol.com wrote: This was the pattern I was thinking of when I mentioned Aesthetic Dress -- rtistic Reform is another term for it. I did not know if the pattern was still vailable. It's a beautiful, authentic Victorian gown. Kathleen -Original Message- From: Wicked Frau wickedf...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Thu, Oct 24, 2013 10:08 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians Unboned corsets work fabulously. I use them for riding. Also, you might want to look into this: http://www.amazondrygoods.com/products/la-mode-bagatelle-victorian-artistic-reform-tea-gowns.html ___ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians
Marjorie said: Yeek. Just looked at the price! How familiar are you with the company (not Amazon DG, the pattern produceer)? I have their regency pattern which was a similar price as I recall. That one is a fantastic pattern and worth the price because it contains patterns for a bunch of different garments with different options. I love it. I haven't used their artistic reform pattern, but if it is like the regency one, it will be a good investment. Teena ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I get told by musicians that they can't breathe - wind players and singers can't get enough breath. Cheers, Aylwen On 21 October 2013 16:42, Kim Baird kba...@cableone.net wrote: It's perfectly possible to sit in a Victorian corset. Victorians did it all the time. It does have to fit correctly, however. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Aylwen Gardiner-Garden Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 11:55 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians I'm thinking about Victorian fashion here. Are there any pictures of women sitting down playing music? I've seen women corsetted when standing up playing the violin, but how did they manage playing the piano? Or are my musicians complaining too much? I'm right at the beginning in my research so far. Many thanks, Aylwen On 21 October 2013 15:48, Elizabeth Jones elizabethrjones2...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Aylwen, What have you tried so far? If we know what's already been tried there won't need to be any re-inventing of the wheel. For anything pre-1600 you are fairly safe to skip boning for anyone who isn't extremely high fashion (and musicians paid to perform for a ball definitely weren't high fashion) Elizabeth On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden aylwe...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friends Our dance group prides itself on wearing historically correct gowns and undergarments for our dance performances, but it is not comfortable for our pianist and other musicians. I am exploring ways I can bone the bodices of the gowns and still give sitting-down musicians breathing space - but still have the garments look close-to-accurate. Can anyone offer me any advice? We costume from 1450 through to 1900 - all styles along the way. Many thanks, Aylwen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- *Aylwen Gardiner-Garden* * * * * *Jane Austen Festival Australia http://www.janeaustenfestival.com.au * *Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academy http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/ * *John Gardiner-Garden's Historic Dance book serieshttp://www.lulu.com/spotlight/earthlydelights * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- *Aylwen Gardiner-Garden* * * * * *Jane Austen Festival Australia http://www.janeaustenfestival.com.au * *Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academyhttp://www.earthlydelights.com.au/ * *John Gardiner-Garden's Historic Dance book serieshttp://www.lulu.com/spotlight/earthlydelights * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians
I've costumed singers and dancers before and if you take their chest measurements with them at rest and them at a full breath there can be a rather large difference. Their corsets are likely made for a resting breath measurement so it is restricting them from taking as deep a breath as they are used to when they play. Actual performers in the Victorian era were corseted their entire lives and were trained to get the needed deep breaths while corseted. What you will need to do is either find a dress style that can work without the corset or you will want to create a corset that incorporates elastic panels and/or elastic instead of a woven lacing string. The elastic will stretch as they breath and move allowing them their full range. Maggie Koenig Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21, 2013, at 1:58 AM, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden aylwe...@gmail.com wrote: I get told by musicians that they can't breathe - wind players and singers can't get enough breath. Cheers, Aylwen On 21 October 2013 16:42, Kim Baird kba...@cableone.net wrote: It's perfectly possible to sit in a Victorian corset. Victorians did it all the time. It does have to fit correctly, however. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Aylwen Gardiner-Garden Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 11:55 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians I'm thinking about Victorian fashion here. Are there any pictures of women sitting down playing music? I've seen women corsetted when standing up playing the violin, but how did they manage playing the piano? Or are my musicians complaining too much? I'm right at the beginning in my research so far. Many thanks, Aylwen On 21 October 2013 15:48, Elizabeth Jones elizabethrjones2...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Aylwen, What have you tried so far? If we know what's already been tried there won't need to be any re-inventing of the wheel. For anything pre-1600 you are fairly safe to skip boning for anyone who isn't extremely high fashion (and musicians paid to perform for a ball definitely weren't high fashion) Elizabeth On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden aylwe...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friends Our dance group prides itself on wearing historically correct gowns and undergarments for our dance performances, but it is not comfortable for our pianist and other musicians. I am exploring ways I can bone the bodices of the gowns and still give sitting-down musicians breathing space - but still have the garments look close-to-accurate. Can anyone offer me any advice? We costume from 1450 through to 1900 - all styles along the way. Many thanks, Aylwen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- *Aylwen Gardiner-Garden* * * * * *Jane Austen Festival Australia http://www.janeaustenfestival.com.au * *Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academy http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/ * *John Gardiner-Garden's Historic Dance book serieshttp://www.lulu.com/spotlight/earthlydelights * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- *Aylwen Gardiner-Garden* * * * * *Jane Austen Festival Australia http://www.janeaustenfestival.com.au * *Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academyhttp://www.earthlydelights.com.au/ * *John Gardiner-Garden's Historic Dance book serieshttp://www.lulu.com/spotlight/earthlydelights * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians
Another huge factor is whether you'd musicians are they rehearsing in their corsets or just wearing them for performances? It is fully capable to sing of play an instrument corseted but they MUST rehearse and practice doing so. That aside, elastic panels would help, Michael Deibert OAS AAS LLS Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21, 2013, at 3:04, Maggie Koenig hhalb94...@aol.com wrote: I've costumed singers and dancers before and if you take their chest measurements with them at rest and them at a full breath there can be a rather large difference. Their corsets are likely made for a resting breath measurement so it is restricting them from taking as deep a breath as they are used to when they play. Actual performers in the Victorian era were corseted their entire lives and were trained to get the needed deep breaths while corseted. What you will need to do is either find a dress style that can work without the corset or you will want to create a corset that incorporates elastic panels and/or elastic instead of a woven lacing string. The elastic will stretch as they breath and move allowing them their full range. Maggie Koenig Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21, 2013, at 1:58 AM, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden aylwe...@gmail.com wrote: I get told by musicians that they can't breathe - wind players and singers can't get enough breath. Cheers, Aylwen On 21 October 2013 16:42, Kim Baird kba...@cableone.net wrote: It's perfectly possible to sit in a Victorian corset. Victorians did it all the time. It does have to fit correctly, however. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Aylwen Gardiner-Garden Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 11:55 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians I'm thinking about Victorian fashion here. Are there any pictures of women sitting down playing music? I've seen women corsetted when standing up playing the violin, but how did they manage playing the piano? Or are my musicians complaining too much? I'm right at the beginning in my research so far. Many thanks, Aylwen On 21 October 2013 15:48, Elizabeth Jones elizabethrjones2...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Aylwen, What have you tried so far? If we know what's already been tried there won't need to be any re-inventing of the wheel. For anything pre-1600 you are fairly safe to skip boning for anyone who isn't extremely high fashion (and musicians paid to perform for a ball definitely weren't high fashion) Elizabeth On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden aylwe...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friends Our dance group prides itself on wearing historically correct gowns and undergarments for our dance performances, but it is not comfortable for our pianist and other musicians. I am exploring ways I can bone the bodices of the gowns and still give sitting-down musicians breathing space - but still have the garments look close-to-accurate. Can anyone offer me any advice? We costume from 1450 through to 1900 - all styles along the way. Many thanks, Aylwen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- *Aylwen Gardiner-Garden* * * * * *Jane Austen Festival Australia http://www.janeaustenfestival.com.au * *Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academy http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/ * *John Gardiner-Garden's Historic Dance book serieshttp://www.lulu.com/spotlight/earthlydelights * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- *Aylwen Gardiner-Garden* * * * * *Jane Austen Festival Australia http://www.janeaustenfestival.com.au * *Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academyhttp://www.earthlydelights.com.au/ * *John Gardiner-Garden's Historic Dance book serieshttp://www.lulu.com/spotlight/earthlydelights * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians
Sorry, hit the send button too soon! Elastic panels could help bit perhaps adapting the style would be better. A mesh or sports corset might provide enough give while also providing enough support for the period. Lastly, would be a style that would not need a corset. Perhaps the light boning of the dress bodice would be enough? Michael Deibert OAS AAS LLS Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21, 2013, at 3:04, Maggie Koenig hhalb94...@aol.com wrote: I've costumed singers and dancers before and if you take their chest measurements with them at rest and them at a full breath there can be a rather large difference. Their corsets are likely made for a resting breath measurement so it is restricting them from taking as deep a breath as they are used to when they play. Actual performers in the Victorian era were corseted their entire lives and were trained to get the needed deep breaths while corseted. What you will need to do is either find a dress style that can work without the corset or you will want to create a corset that incorporates elastic panels and/or elastic instead of a woven lacing string. The elastic will stretch as they breath and move allowing them their full range. Maggie Koenig Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21, 2013, at 1:58 AM, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden aylwe...@gmail.com wrote: I get told by musicians that they can't breathe - wind players and singers can't get enough breath. Cheers, Aylwen On 21 October 2013 16:42, Kim Baird kba...@cableone.net wrote: It's perfectly possible to sit in a Victorian corset. Victorians did it all the time. It does have to fit correctly, however. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Aylwen Gardiner-Garden Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 11:55 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians I'm thinking about Victorian fashion here. Are there any pictures of women sitting down playing music? I've seen women corsetted when standing up playing the violin, but how did they manage playing the piano? Or are my musicians complaining too much? I'm right at the beginning in my research so far. Many thanks, Aylwen On 21 October 2013 15:48, Elizabeth Jones elizabethrjones2...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Aylwen, What have you tried so far? If we know what's already been tried there won't need to be any re-inventing of the wheel. For anything pre-1600 you are fairly safe to skip boning for anyone who isn't extremely high fashion (and musicians paid to perform for a ball definitely weren't high fashion) Elizabeth On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden aylwe...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friends Our dance group prides itself on wearing historically correct gowns and undergarments for our dance performances, but it is not comfortable for our pianist and other musicians. I am exploring ways I can bone the bodices of the gowns and still give sitting-down musicians breathing space - but still have the garments look close-to-accurate. Can anyone offer me any advice? We costume from 1450 through to 1900 - all styles along the way. Many thanks, Aylwen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- *Aylwen Gardiner-Garden* * * * * *Jane Austen Festival Australia http://www.janeaustenfestival.com.au * *Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academy http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/ * *John Gardiner-Garden's Historic Dance book serieshttp://www.lulu.com/spotlight/earthlydelights * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- *Aylwen Gardiner-Garden* * * * * *Jane Austen Festival Australia http://www.janeaustenfestival.com.au * *Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academyhttp://www.earthlydelights.com.au/ * *John Gardiner-Garden's Historic Dance book serieshttp://www.lulu.com/spotlight/earthlydelights * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I remember having a discussion about this on the list some years ago (10+?) after I had nearly fainted while playing the shawm in a 17th century corset in a sunny window. I was told that a corset should not be laced so tightly as to restrict your breathing. Of course I'm aware that corsets of later periods extend below the waist, increasing the problem. Having once worn an 18th century corset, I've often wondered how the lady singers of Handel's time managed. Of course, as Maggie says, they were used to it. Kate Bunting Retired librarian 17th-century reenactor. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Maggie said : What you will need to do is either find a dress style that can work without the corset or you will want to create a corset that incorporates elastic panels and/or elastic instead of a woven lacing string. The elastic will stretch as they breath and move allowing them their full range. Ladies rode their horses to hounds (fox hunting) which is a vigorous activity. They did this sidesaddle. I have friends who do this, today. Their corsets were cut for the job: meaning the hip portion was curved to accommodate the position of the body riding sidesaddle and/or elastic material was inserted for ease of motion. I have elasticated panels in my own corset for riding my horse astride (not sidesaddle) in parades. As with anything, it takes practice to adjust the corset for comfort yet still get the fashionable line of the period. A quick look on google found this: http://ridingaside.blogspot.com/2011/06/karen-wright.html scroll down and read her description of new riding corset construction. Susan On Oct 21, 2013, at 3:04 AM, Maggie Koenig wrote: I've costumed singers and dancers before and if you take their chest measurements with them at rest and them at a full breath there can be a rather large difference. Their corsets are likely made for a resting breath measurement so it is restricting them from taking as deep a breath as they are used to when they play. Actual performers in the Victorian era were corseted their entire lives and were trained to get the needed deep breaths while corseted. What you will need to do is either find a dress style that can work without the corset or you will want to create a corset that incorporates elastic panels and/or elastic instead of a woven lacing string. The elastic will stretch as they breath and move allowing them their full range. Maggie Koenig Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21, 2013, at 1:58 AM, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden aylwe...@gmail.com wrote: I get told by musicians that they can't breathe - wind players and singers can't get enough breath. Cheers, Aylwen On 21 October 2013 16:42, Kim Baird kba...@cableone.net wrote: It's perfectly possible to sit in a Victorian corset. Victorians did it all the time. It does have to fit correctly, however. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Aylwen Gardiner-Garden Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 11:55 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians I'm thinking about Victorian fashion here. Are there any pictures of women sitting down playing music? I've seen women corsetted when standing up playing the violin, but how did they manage playing the piano? Or are my musicians complaining too much? I'm right at the beginning in my research so far. Many thanks, Aylwen On 21 October 2013 15:48, Elizabeth Jones elizabethrjones2...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Aylwen, What have you tried so far? If we know what's already been tried there won't need to be any re-inventing of the wheel. For anything pre-1600 you are fairly safe to skip boning for anyone who isn't extremely high fashion (and musicians paid to perform for a ball definitely weren't high fashion) Elizabeth On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden aylwe...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friends Our dance group prides itself on wearing historically correct gowns and undergarments for our dance performances, but it is not comfortable for our pianist and other musicians. I am exploring ways I can bone the bodices of the gowns and still give sitting-down musicians breathing space - but still have the garments look close-to-accurate. Can anyone offer me any advice? We costume from 1450 through to 1900 - all styles along the way. Many thanks, Aylwen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- *Aylwen Gardiner-Garden* * * * * *Jane Austen Festival Australia http://www.janeaustenfestival.com.au * *Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academy http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/ * *John Gardiner-Garden's Historic Dance book serieshttp://www.lulu.com/spotlight/earthlydelights * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- *Aylwen Gardiner-Garden* * * * * *Jane Austen Festival Australia http://www.janeaustenfestival.com.au * *Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academyhttp://www.earthlydelights.com.au/ * *John Gardiner-Garden's Historic Dance book serieshttp://www.lulu.com/spotlight/earthlydelights * ___ h-costume mailing
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I have some experience with this. The first bit is probably not helpful in the short term. It is the fact that ballet dancers are taught to breath long rather than out so their ribs do not expand too much to fight the. Canvas corset like bodices for classic costumes. The second bit might be much more helpful. As a thatrical dresser. I was taught to lace singers into corsets with at least 2 if not 3 different cords. This keeps ech section at a different tension , appropriate to your personal needs. Top keeps the breasts in line with te neckline. A second lacing cord is just on the rib section and adjusted so as to be snug but permit breathing , the bottom bit or third cord is adjusted to keep the corset from slipping down the hips. Hope this helps Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Kate Bunting katembunt...@gmail.com Sender: h-costume-boun...@indra.com Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:32:00 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Reply-To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians I remember having a discussion about this on the list some years ago (10+?) after I had nearly fainted while playing the shawm in a 17th century corset in a sunny window. I was told that a corset should not be laced so tightly as to restrict your breathing. Of course I'm aware that corsets of later periods extend below the waist, increasing the problem. Having once worn an 18th century corset, I've often wondered how the lady singers of Handel's time managed. Of course, as Maggie says, they were used to it. Kate Bunting Retired librarian 17th-century reenactor. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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On Oct 21, 2013, at 5:15 AM, michaeljdeib...@gmail.com wrote: Elastic panels could help bit perhaps adapting the style would be better. A mesh or sports corset might provide enough give while also providing enough support for the period. The problem there, though, is that the gown worn over a corset does not have any give to it. The corset creates a smooth line for the gown to fit. If the corset stretches, the gown would also need a stretch section or a pleat to handle it. Is there a 19thC version of a Watteau back for a gown? -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Corsets weren't worn in early Tudor times. I research 1490 give or take 20 years. On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Carol Kocian aqua...@patriot.net wrote: On Oct 21, 2013, at 5:15 AM, michaeljdeib...@gmail.com wrote: Elastic panels could help bit perhaps adapting the style would be better. A mesh or sports corset might provide enough give while also providing enough support for the period. The problem there, though, is that the gown worn over a corset does not have any give to it. The corset creates a smooth line for the gown to fit. If the corset stretches, the gown would also need a stretch section or a pleat to handle it. Is there a 19thC version of a Watteau back for a gown? -Carol __**_ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/**listinfo/h-costumehttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- *Maitresse Aspasia * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Here are some web sites for the Aesthetic clothing movement. The late La Mode Bagatelle had a pattern pack for an Aesthetic tea gown. I don't know if it's still available. I'm sure musicians would be very comfortable in these since they are loose. https://www.google.com/search?q=aesthetic+dress+movement+victoriantbm=ischtbo=usource=univsa=Xei=j2NlUvDIDI-o4AOhlIFwved=0CDUQsAQbiw=1280bih=872 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artistic_Dress_movement Kathleen -Original Message- From: Bonnie Booker aspas...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Mon, Oct 21, 2013 9:00 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians Corsets weren't worn in early Tudor times. I research 1490 give or take 20 ears. n Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Carol Kocian aqua...@patriot.net wrote: On Oct 21, 2013, at 5:15 AM, michaeljdeib...@gmail.com wrote: Elastic panels could help bit perhaps adapting the style would be better. A mesh or sports corset might provide enough give while also providing enough support for the period. The problem there, though, is that the gown worn over a corset does not have any give to it. The corset creates a smooth line for the gown to fit. If the corset stretches, the gown would also need a stretch section or a pleat to handle it. Is there a 19thC version of a Watteau back for a gown? -Carol __**_ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/**listinfo/h-costumehttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Maitresse Aspasia * __ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Greetings... When corseting opera singers (who some actually like their corsets for the proper posture it gives them) we would have then take a deep breath before the final lacingand laced them up snug, but not tight, while they held their breath. When they do let their breath out, the corset is not as snug as it should be for a normal activity, but the shape is there and, again, the posture. The musicians cannot slouch in their seats but must sit up straight. Sitting in a corset has been possible for centuries now... even in a bustle. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I agree with the comment about having the musicians take a breath while finishing your lacing. I'm also intrigued by the idea of 3 laces to really control where the corset is tight. As for the corsets themselves, I am of the opinion that corsets are necessary to get the correct shape (and bust placement) and the clothes can look rather frumpy and Simplicity without them. Working in theatre, this is something we have to deal with a lot. We like to build the side panels out of 1 or 2 layers of power net, with a vertical bone in the panels so it doesn't collapse on the side. That still allows a lot of sideways breathing movement and retains the proper period shape. Use spiral bones so there is flexible support. Don't worry if they kink - they will kink in the shape of the body. When I have built ballet bodices, we built the side panels on the bias, but that doesn't allow as much stretch as power net, and ballerinas breathe differently than either actors or musicians. You can't tell a musician to breathe like a ballerina - that isn't appropriate for the amount of support needed to play a wind instrument. As for sitting, finding and taking an appropriate stool to your gigs would be helpful. Chairs that are too short are hard to sit in with a corset. Let us know how it goes! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I'm thinking maybe not tie the corsets so snugly. They are actually very comfortable to wear. Or look into corded stays rather than boned stays. Cactus Apache Junction, AZ From: Kathleen Norvell app...@aol.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians Aylwen, For Victorian, maybe the musicians could adopt Aesthetic dress, which requires no corsets. Just a thought. Kathleen -Original Message- From: Aylwen Gardiner-Garden aylwe...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Mon, Oct 21, 2013 12:57 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians I'm thinking about Victorian fashion here. Are there any pictures of women itting down playing music? I've seen women corsetted when standing up laying the violin, but how did they manage playing the piano? Or are my usicians complaining too much? 'm right at the beginning in my research so far. any thanks, ylwen n 21 October 2013 15:48, Elizabeth Jones elizabethrjones2...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Aylwen, What have you tried so far? If we know what's already been tried there won't need to be any re-inventing of the wheel. For anything pre-1600 you are fairly safe to skip boning for anyone who isn't extremely high fashion (and musicians paid to perform for a ball definitely weren't high fashion) Elizabeth On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden aylwe...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friends Our dance group prides itself on wearing historically correct gowns and undergarments for our dance performances, but it is not comfortable for our pianist and other musicians. I am exploring ways I can bone the bodices of the gowns and still give sitting-down musicians breathing space - but still have the garments look close-to-accurate. Can anyone offer me any advice? We costume from 1450 through to 1900 - all styles along the way. Many thanks, Aylwen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Aylwen Gardiner-Garden* *Jane Austen Festival Australia http://www.janeaustenfestival.com.au/ * Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academyhttp://www.earthlydelights.com.au/ John Gardiner-Garden's Historic Dance book erieshttp://www.lulu.com/spotlight/earthlydelights __ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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After a couple of surgeries I now wear a compression camisole most of the time, except to exercise. They really are comfortable if done right. From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [h-costume-boun...@indra.com] on behalf of Cactus [shirleyjho...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 4:11 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians I'm thinking maybe not tie the corsets so snugly. They are actually very comfortable to wear. Or look into corded stays rather than boned stays. Cactus Apache Junction, AZ From: Kathleen Norvell app...@aol.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians Aylwen, For Victorian, maybe the musicians could adopt Aesthetic dress, which requires no corsets. Just a thought. Kathleen -Original Message- From: Aylwen Gardiner-Garden aylwe...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Mon, Oct 21, 2013 12:57 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians I'm thinking about Victorian fashion here. Are there any pictures of women itting down playing music? I've seen women corsetted when standing up laying the violin, but how did they manage playing the piano? Or are my usicians complaining too much? 'm right at the beginning in my research so far. any thanks, ylwen n 21 October 2013 15:48, Elizabeth Jones elizabethrjones2...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Aylwen, What have you tried so far? If we know what's already been tried there won't need to be any re-inventing of the wheel. For anything pre-1600 you are fairly safe to skip boning for anyone who isn't extremely high fashion (and musicians paid to perform for a ball definitely weren't high fashion) Elizabeth On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden aylwe...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friends Our dance group prides itself on wearing historically correct gowns and undergarments for our dance performances, but it is not comfortable for our pianist and other musicians. I am exploring ways I can bone the bodices of the gowns and still give sitting-down musicians breathing space - but still have the garments look close-to-accurate. Can anyone offer me any advice? We costume from 1450 through to 1900 - all styles along the way. Many thanks, Aylwen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Aylwen Gardiner-Garden* *Jane Austen Festival Australia http://www.janeaustenfestival.com.au/ * Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academyhttp://www.earthlydelights.com.au/ John Gardiner-Garden's Historic Dance book erieshttp://www.lulu.com/spotlight/earthlydelights __ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Hi Aylwen, What have you tried so far? If we know what's already been tried there won't need to be any re-inventing of the wheel. For anything pre-1600 you are fairly safe to skip boning for anyone who isn't extremely high fashion (and musicians paid to perform for a ball definitely weren't high fashion) Elizabeth On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden aylwe...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friends Our dance group prides itself on wearing historically correct gowns and undergarments for our dance performances, but it is not comfortable for our pianist and other musicians. I am exploring ways I can bone the bodices of the gowns and still give sitting-down musicians breathing space - but still have the garments look close-to-accurate. Can anyone offer me any advice? We costume from 1450 through to 1900 - all styles along the way. Many thanks, Aylwen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I'm thinking about Victorian fashion here. Are there any pictures of women sitting down playing music? I've seen women corsetted when standing up playing the violin, but how did they manage playing the piano? Or are my musicians complaining too much? I'm right at the beginning in my research so far. Many thanks, Aylwen On 21 October 2013 15:48, Elizabeth Jones elizabethrjones2...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Aylwen, What have you tried so far? If we know what's already been tried there won't need to be any re-inventing of the wheel. For anything pre-1600 you are fairly safe to skip boning for anyone who isn't extremely high fashion (and musicians paid to perform for a ball definitely weren't high fashion) Elizabeth On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden aylwe...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friends Our dance group prides itself on wearing historically correct gowns and undergarments for our dance performances, but it is not comfortable for our pianist and other musicians. I am exploring ways I can bone the bodices of the gowns and still give sitting-down musicians breathing space - but still have the garments look close-to-accurate. Can anyone offer me any advice? We costume from 1450 through to 1900 - all styles along the way. Many thanks, Aylwen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- *Aylwen Gardiner-Garden* * * * * *Jane Austen Festival Australia http://www.janeaustenfestival.com.au * *Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academyhttp://www.earthlydelights.com.au/ * *John Gardiner-Garden's Historic Dance book serieshttp://www.lulu.com/spotlight/earthlydelights * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Aylwen, For Victorian, maybe the musicians could adopt Aesthetic dress, which requires no corsets. Just a thought. Kathleen -Original Message- From: Aylwen Gardiner-Garden aylwe...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Mon, Oct 21, 2013 12:57 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians I'm thinking about Victorian fashion here. Are there any pictures of women itting down playing music? I've seen women corsetted when standing up laying the violin, but how did they manage playing the piano? Or are my usicians complaining too much? 'm right at the beginning in my research so far. any thanks, ylwen n 21 October 2013 15:48, Elizabeth Jones elizabethrjones2...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Aylwen, What have you tried so far? If we know what's already been tried there won't need to be any re-inventing of the wheel. For anything pre-1600 you are fairly safe to skip boning for anyone who isn't extremely high fashion (and musicians paid to perform for a ball definitely weren't high fashion) Elizabeth On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden aylwe...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friends Our dance group prides itself on wearing historically correct gowns and undergarments for our dance performances, but it is not comfortable for our pianist and other musicians. I am exploring ways I can bone the bodices of the gowns and still give sitting-down musicians breathing space - but still have the garments look close-to-accurate. Can anyone offer me any advice? We costume from 1450 through to 1900 - all styles along the way. Many thanks, Aylwen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Aylwen Gardiner-Garden* *Jane Austen Festival Australia http://www.janeaustenfestival.com.au * Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academyhttp://www.earthlydelights.com.au/ John Gardiner-Garden's Historic Dance book erieshttp://www.lulu.com/spotlight/earthlydelights __ -costume mailing list -cost...@mail.indra.com ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians
It's perfectly possible to sit in a Victorian corset. Victorians did it all the time. It does have to fit correctly, however. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Aylwen Gardiner-Garden Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 11:55 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Boning and corsets for musicians I'm thinking about Victorian fashion here. Are there any pictures of women sitting down playing music? I've seen women corsetted when standing up playing the violin, but how did they manage playing the piano? Or are my musicians complaining too much? I'm right at the beginning in my research so far. Many thanks, Aylwen On 21 October 2013 15:48, Elizabeth Jones elizabethrjones2...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Aylwen, What have you tried so far? If we know what's already been tried there won't need to be any re-inventing of the wheel. For anything pre-1600 you are fairly safe to skip boning for anyone who isn't extremely high fashion (and musicians paid to perform for a ball definitely weren't high fashion) Elizabeth On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden aylwe...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friends Our dance group prides itself on wearing historically correct gowns and undergarments for our dance performances, but it is not comfortable for our pianist and other musicians. I am exploring ways I can bone the bodices of the gowns and still give sitting-down musicians breathing space - but still have the garments look close-to-accurate. Can anyone offer me any advice? We costume from 1450 through to 1900 - all styles along the way. Many thanks, Aylwen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- *Aylwen Gardiner-Garden* * * * * *Jane Austen Festival Australia http://www.janeaustenfestival.com.au * *Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academyhttp://www.earthlydelights.com.au/ * *John Gardiner-Garden's Historic Dance book serieshttp://www.lulu.com/spotlight/earthlydelights * ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
