Re: [h-cost] Pink?
Pictures, please! -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bambi TBNL Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 9:14 PM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pink? Oh..WOW!!! Ok so now i so gotta do this if there is tome. And Ive got one week to squeeze it in!. I have pink Minnlot of it. I can get my hand on some green and the piece de resistance... About 4ft by 3 ft of rose colored pinked leather. Double and green Italian slop plus a mosque w flower petals... A pinked pink?.just wondering. Message- Date: Sunday, September 25, 2011 11:16:21 pm To: h-cost...@indra.com From: albert...@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pink? From a layman's perspective, it is interesting to find out that a pink is a type of carnation. sweet williams are pinks too, I believe. Let's see Wikipedia says: Dianthus is a genus of about 300 species of flowering plants in the family Caryophyllaceae, native mainly to Europe and Asia, with a few species extending south to north Africa, and one species (D. repens) in arctic North America. Common names include carnation (D. caryophyllus), pink (D. plumarius and related species) and sweet William (D. barbatus). The name Dianthus is from the Greek words dios(god) and anthos (flower), and was cited by the Greek botanist Theophrastus. also The color pink may be named after the flower, coming from the frilled edge of the flowers: the verb pink dates from the 14th century and means to decorate with a perforated or punched pattern (maybe from German pinken = to peck). Source: Collins Dictionary. This verb sense is also used in the name of pinking shears. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pink?
Taking a trip through the OED It seems that the origins of the words pink for the flower and pinking for the jagged edge are uncertain. Their supposition is the flower was named for the fabric treatment. --Charlene On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Bambi TBNL hippy_dippy_dan...@yahoo.com wrote: this is a two part question . first is the flower originally called the pink, what we , today, call a carnation or the origin of that flower? if it is, is the regular jagged edge, part of the origin of the term pinking?. Im trying to use this for a masked ball i plan to attend soon where the theme is...come as your favorite pun. t i would appreciate and sources if ya happen to have them as i am totally lost. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- The nice thing about egotists is that they don't talk about other people. -- Lucille S. Harper ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pink?
On Sep 25, 2011, at 11:22 AM, Bambi TBNL wrote: this is a two part question . first is the flower originally called the pink, what we , today, call a carnation or the origin of that flower? yes, see esp the Dianthus caryophyllus article on Wiki, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dianthus_caryophyllus if it is, is the regular jagged edge, part of the origin of the term pinking?. sorta, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink there's a large set of notes for this article, and lots of related articles link from this one Im trying to use this for a masked ball i plan to attend soon where the theme is...come as your favorite pun. t i would appreciate and sources if ya happen to have them as i am totally lost. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pink?
One would think that since the flower existed before the edge that the edge would have been named after the flower. :\ De -Original Message- Taking a trip through the OED It seems that the origins of the words pink for the flower and pinking for the jagged edge are uncertain. Their supposition is the flower was named for the fabric treatment. --Charlene On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Bambi TBNL hippy_dippy_dan...@yahoo.com wrote: this is a two part question . first is the flower originally called the pink, what we , today, call a carnation or the origin of that flower? if it is, is the regular jagged edge, part of the origin of the term pinking?. Im trying to use this for a masked ball i plan to attend soon where the theme is...come as your favorite pun. t i would appreciate and sources if ya happen to have them as i am totally lost. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pink?
One would think that since the flower existed before the edge that the edge would have been named after the flower. *** Not so. There is no reason the term for the edging could not have been applied to the flower later. After all, the flower is also called Dianthus. If you ask a gardener, they will say they are also called cottage pinks because the edge resembles a pinked fabric edge... not the color. But the color name does seem to come from the color the flowers are so you may be right. But it does not necessarily follow. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pink?
the flower is also called Dianthus. BTW... Dianthus means flower of Zeus in Greek. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pink?
Perhap the edge reminded them of Zeus' lightning bolts. De -Original Message- the flower is also called Dianthus. BTW... Dianthus means flower of Zeus in Greek. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pink?
From a layman's perspective, it is interesting to find out that a pink is a type of carnation. My mother, an avid gardener, often planted both pinks and carnations. I never knew they were in the same family since the carnations I am used to are a more rounded flower like mum with many layers of petals, where as it looks as though most pinks have only a single layer of petals. Thanks for the excuse to google some flower pics :) Natalie On 9/25/2011 2:22 PM, Bambi TBNL wrote: this is a two part question . first is the flower originally called the pink, what we , today, call a carnation or the origin of that flower? if it is, is the regular jagged edge, part of the origin of the term pinking?. Im trying to use this for a masked ball i plan to attend soon where the theme is...come as your favorite pun. t i would appreciate and sources if ya happen to have them as i am totally lost. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pink?
From a layman's perspective, it is interesting to find out that a pink is a type of carnation. sweet williams are pinks too, I believe. Let's see Wikipedia says: Dianthus is a genus of about 300 species of flowering plants in the family Caryophyllaceae, native mainly to Europe and Asia, with a few species extending south to north Africa, and one species (D. repens) in arctic North America. Common names include carnation (D. caryophyllus), pink (D. plumarius and related species) and sweet William (D. barbatus). The name Dianthus is from the Greek words dios(god) and anthos (flower), and was cited by the Greek botanist Theophrastus. also The color pink may be named after the flower, coming from the frilled edge of the flowers: the verb pink dates from the 14th century and means to decorate with a perforated or punched pattern (maybe from German pinken = to peck). Source: Collins Dictionary. This verb sense is also used in the name of pinking shears. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pink?
Oh..WOW!!! Ok so now i so gotta do this if there is tome. And Ive got one week to squeeze it in!. I have pink Minnlot of it. I can get my hand on some green and the piece de resistance... About 4ft by 3 ft of rose colored pinked leather. Double and green Italian slop plus a mosque w flower petals... A pinked pink?.just wondering. Message- Date: Sunday, September 25, 2011 11:16:21 pm To: h-cost...@indra.com From: albert...@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pink? From a layman's perspective, it is interesting to find out that a pink is a type of carnation. sweet williams are pinks too, I believe. Let's see Wikipedia says: Dianthus is a genus of about 300 species of flowering plants in the family Caryophyllaceae, native mainly to Europe and Asia, with a few species extending south to north Africa, and one species (D. repens) in arctic North America. Common names include carnation (D. caryophyllus), pink (D. plumarius and related species) and sweet William (D. barbatus). The name Dianthus is from the Greek words dios(god) and anthos (flower), and was cited by the Greek botanist Theophrastus. also The color pink may be named after the flower, coming from the frilled edge of the flowers: the verb pink dates from the 14th century and means to decorate with a perforated or punched pattern (maybe from German pinken = to peck). Source: Collins Dictionary. This verb sense is also used in the name of pinking shears. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pink, pinkers, pinking
At 23:02 09/02/2006, you wrote: (What I really want though, is a choice of shapes beyond the standard rather shallow zigzag. Has anyone found a modern or historic tool that really works well for that? Fran) I have pinking tools that are about the size of the top of my thumb, one with zigzags, and one with tiny curves, which is lovely. I also have a couple of others - all antiques. Someone made one for me, but it is heavy and not really quite as easy to use as the real ones. Unfortunately they all could do with a bit of sharpening, and I really don't want to send them to the U.S just for that - I will have to try and find someone in England who can do it properly. Suzi I recently bought a lovely reproduction 18th century pinking tool from Dan Brown of Green Man Forge. It was $40. He will resharpen for $10. He can make any shape pinker you want. Here's his web site: http://www.greenmanforge.com/. I wanted to use some pinked edges on my new 18th century patterns for Simplicity. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a cheap alternative that would be readily available. Can't you just imagine people looking at the back of the pattern envelope and seeing that a special-order $40 tool was required! As to the old table-mounted rotary pinking machines, does anybody have one that actually works? Many years ago I was at a huge costume company (now defunct) called Brooks Van Horne. They had several pinking machines and they were a PAIN. They were always dull and full of lint and chewed your seam allowances to heck. Maybe that's because everybody used them and nobody cleaned or sharpened them? Martha ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Pink, pinkers, pinking
As to the old table-mounted rotary pinking machines, does anybody have one that actually works? I do. Works like a charm, but apparently mine was maintained properly. Carolann Schmitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.genteelarts.com Ladies Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 2-5, 2006 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pink, pinkers, pinking
and my 'new' one sure works like new. I was surprised how sharp the cut was.. kathleen - Original Message - From: Carolann Schmitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Historical Costume' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 7:26 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pink, pinkers, pinking As to the old table-mounted rotary pinking machines, does anybody have one that actually works? I do. Works like a charm, but apparently mine was maintained properly. Carolann Schmitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.genteelarts.com Ladies Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 2-5, 2006 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Pink, pinkers, pinking
Well, have any of you had a problem using someone else's scissors? It is kid of like a lefty using mine, or me using theirs. Some how, using a person's cutting tool is never quite like using one's own. kathleen - Original Message - From: Martha Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 6:02 PM Subject: [h-cost] Pink, pinkers, pinking (What I really want though, is a choice of shapes beyond the standard rather shallow zigzag. Has anyone found a modern or historic tool that really works well for that? Fran) I recently bought a lovely reproduction 18th century pinking tool from Dan Brown of Green Man Forge. It was $40. He will resharpen for $10. He can make any shape pinker you want. Here's his web site: http://www.greenmanforge.com/. I wanted to use some pinked edges on my new 18th century patterns for Simplicity. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a cheap alternative that would be readily available. Can't you just imagine people looking at the back of the pattern envelope and seeing that a special-order $40 tool was required! As to the old table-mounted rotary pinking machines, does anybody have one that actually works? Many years ago I was at a huge costume company (now defunct) called Brooks Van Horne. They had several pinking machines and they were a PAIN. They were always dull and full of lint and chewed your seam allowances to heck. Maybe that's because everybody used them and nobody cleaned or sharpened them? Martha ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
