Re: [h-cost] question re: headkerchiefs
Sorry, but that description of a 'headkerchief'* resembles more of the 1940s, or an early modern neckerchief, than a head covering from any part of medieval times. *never heard the term 'headkerchief' before incidentally, although of course it was known as a 'coverchief' - I've always used veil for the bit that goes over your head (in earlier periods of one piece headdresses, this being the only part), and wimple for the bit that covers your throat (after it becomes a separate piece). Coif is indeed the accepted term for a small cap - although in theory it could be used to mean any headdress, I suppose, since it comes from 'coiffure'. And it's not only a female garment - in medieval times the caps that men wore are referred to as coifs too. Debbie In a message dated 27/05/2009 23:58:15 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-requ...@indra.com writes: On Wed, 27 May 2009 19:10:45 +0100 Anne anne.montgome...@googlemail.com writes: Could you describe more fully what you are terming a coif and a headkerchief? You bet! :-) Coif--the ubiquitous little cap-like thing everyone wore. Headkerchief--I suppose we'ld call them scarves nowadays. Take a square of fabric, fold it into a triangle, place on head, tie two points together in the back. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] question re: headkerchiefs
The 3-cornered kerch that several travelers reports describe on 16th century Highland Scottish women was more or less the triangular head scarf you're limiting to the 1940s. We only have descriptions, no pictures, but the descriptions are pretty unmistakable..It was also said to be remarkably graceful. It's only one of many thi9ngs you can do with the ubiquitous yard square of linen commonly used by 16th century working women. MaggiRos Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html See our gallery at http://www.zazzle.com/popinjaypress On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 4:43 AM, debloughcostu...@aol.com wrote: Sorry, but that description of a 'headkerchief'* resembles more of the 1940s, or an early modern neckerchief, than a head covering from any part of medieval times. *never heard the term 'headkerchief' before incidentally, although of course it was known as a 'coverchief' - I've always used veil for the bit that goes over your head (in earlier periods of one piece headdresses, this being the only part), and wimple for the bit that covers your throat (after it becomes a separate piece). Coif is indeed the accepted term for a small cap - although in theory it could be used to mean any headdress, I suppose, since it comes from 'coiffure'. And it's not only a female garment - in medieval times the caps that men wore are referred to as coifs too. Debbie In a message dated 27/05/2009 23:58:15 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-requ...@indra.com writes: On Wed, 27 May 2009 19:10:45 +0100 Anne anne.montgome...@googlemail.com writes: Could you describe more fully what you are terming a coif and a headkerchief? You bet! :-) Coif--the ubiquitous little cap-like thing everyone wore. Headkerchief--I suppose we'ld call them scarves nowadays. Take a square of fabric, fold it into a triangle, place on head, tie two points together in the back. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] question re: headkerchiefs
Hi, a headkerchief is an excellent foundation for a veil to be pinned onto it. My hair is extremely thin and nothing will hold in it, but a small cloth, worn like a bandana, is a good substitute for hair. It also covers all modern haircuts. If it´s rather large, like a carré, it also gives a nice working-woman look with the ends tucked in at the back. If you like a coif, you might like the cap of St. Birgitta. It´s a bit later than your era, but there are pictures of women wearing similar styles in earlier times. There´s a bit on it here http://m-silkwork.blogspot.com/search/label/clothing Tempora nostra is a group representing life around 1300. Maybe you find something on their page http://www.tempora-nostra.de/wirueberuns.shtml This is from 1310 Cologne http://www.ca1310.de/kleidung/kopfb1.htm If you go to the MoAS-Links of Atlantia, I am sure you´ll find some English groups as well. Best wishes, Hanna At 16:33 27.05.2009, you wrote: Hi all. My SCA persona's appr. time is 1312, England. A few months ago, I got my very long hair cut short; love it--no regrets. Made a sizable donation to Locks of Love, a charity I would encourage you to consider if you are getting your long hair cut. Anyway, the problem: My hair is naturally very wavy and has a lot of bounce. My summer coif isn't heavy enough to keep my hair down. Might anyone know if women of this period wore linen headkerchiefs? I'm trying to stay away from turbans--things like that give me headaches. Any links would be hugely appreciated! Much thanks, Arlys Click to slash your phone bill by up to 90%. Discounted VoIP service http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTHbpcVHL0mcLMjCTut6ywTiNxtMZaTFunpxiLvHyxY2gh1LKf0740/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] question re: headkerchiefs
It's entirely possible that by 'headkerchief' she means the utilitarian yardsquare Henry VIII era head wrapping. It's not appropriate to the court wear that I suspect Sharon is aiming for in the Renn dance perfomance group she belongs to. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com Sorry, but that description of a 'headkerchief'* resembles more of the 1940s, or an early modern neckerchief, than a head covering from any part of medieval times. *never heard the term 'headkerchief' before incidentally, although of course it was known as a 'coverchief' - I've always used veil for the bit that goes over your head (in earlier periods of one piece headdresses, this being the only part), and wimple for the bit that covers your throat (after it becomes a separate piece). Debbie On Wed, 27 May 2009 19:10:45 +0100 Anne anne.montgome...@googlemail.com writes: Could you describe more fully what you are terming a coif and a headkerchief? You bet! :-) Coif--the ubiquitous little cap-like thing everyone wore. Headkerchief--I suppose we'ld call them scarves nowadays. Take a square of fabric, fold it into a triangle, place on head, tie two points together in the back. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] question re: headkerchiefs
Could you describe more fully what you are terming a coif and a headkerchief? The classic style for early 1300s is with the hair in knobs, loops or columns at the temples, with one piece of cloth (wimple?) round the throat, under the chin and pulled up to the temples and another (veil?) draped over the top of the head. They would certainly be linen, but of whatever weight suits you best. (The hair can be false pieces on a headband, or omitted if necessary.) Jean Cynthia J Ley wrote: Hi all. My SCA persona's appr. time is 1312, England. A few months ago, I got my very long hair cut short; love it--no regrets. Made a sizable donation to Locks of Love, a charity I would encourage you to consider if you are getting your long hair cut. Anyway, the problem: My hair is naturally very wavy and has a lot of bounce. My summer coif isn't heavy enough to keep my hair down. Might anyone know if women of this period wore linen headkerchiefs? I'm trying to stay away from turbans--things like that give me headaches. Any links would be hugely appreciated! Much thanks, Arlys Click to slash your phone bill by up to 90%. Discounted VoIP service http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTHbpcVHL0mcLMjCTut6ywTiNxtMZaTFunpxiLvHyxY2gh1LKf0740/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] question re: headkerchiefs
On Wed, 27 May 2009 19:10:45 +0100 Anne anne.montgome...@googlemail.com writes: Could you describe more fully what you are terming a coif and a headkerchief? You bet! :-) Coif--the ubiquitous little cap-like thing everyone wore. Headkerchief--I suppose we'ld call them scarves nowadays. Take a square of fabric, fold it into a triangle, place on head, tie two points together in the back. Thanks! Arlys The classic style for early 1300s is with the hair in knobs, loops or columns at the temples, with one piece of cloth (wimple?) round the throat, under the chin and pulled up to the temples and another (veil?) draped over the top of the head. They would certainly be linen, but of whatever weight suits you best. (The hair can be false pieces on a headband, or omitted if necessary.) Jean Cynthia J Ley wrote: Hi all. My SCA persona's appr. time is 1312, England. A few months ago, I got my very long hair cut short; love it--no regrets. Made a sizable donation to Locks of Love, a charity I would encourage you to consider if you are getting your long hair cut. Anyway, the problem: My hair is naturally very wavy and has a lot of bounce. My summer coif isn't heavy enough to keep my hair down. Might anyone know if women of this period wore linen headkerchiefs? I'm trying to stay away from turbans--things like that give me headaches. Any links would be hugely appreciated! Much thanks, Arlys Click to slash your phone bill by up to 90%. Discounted VoIP service http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTHbpcVHL0mcLMjCTut6ywTi NxtMZaTFunpxiLvHyxY2gh1LKf0740/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
