Re: [Haifux] A meeting proposal - Ranting over poor internet support

2010-03-17 Thread Shahar Dag
Hello



I agree that web sites should be accessible from more then one browser.

I am not sure if sending 20 letters to a web muster on one day is better 
then 20 letters to the same web muster that arrives in a period of a month.

I suggest opening a page in the clubs site that will contain:

  1.. A table with the data of all the bad sites.
1.. The table should include:
2.. The company name
3.. The URL of the site
4.. The browser that is not working
5.. The problem
6.. The date this entry was added
7.. The email address of the webmaster
8.. The email address (or any other address) of the company headquarter
9.. The date this entry was added
10.. Did the fix the problem (  when )
  2.. Some templates of a letters to a webmaster / company headquarter
  3.. Links to tools that can check the quality of the web page
  4.. Links to instructions on how to make a web page standard
I suggest that Linux-il and any Linux / open source community shell be asked 
to send the same letters according to this web page.

I think that we shell include in the letter to the web muster a link to a 
free tool that can scan his web  point out all the non-standard parts. If 
we can point out to a solution page, this will be even better.



Shahar

- Original Message - 
From: Orr Dunkelman orr.dunkel...@gmail.com
To: Haifux haifux@haifux.org
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 2:21 PM
Subject: [Haifux] A meeting proposal - Ranting over poor internet support


 Hi everybody,

 Well, we all know that feeling when we try to approach the website
 http://some.url.here and fail because they require IE on a windows
 machine.

 While the situation is slowly getting better (in some aspects), we are
 still far away from the wonderland we promised ourselves (yeah, once
 there will be 1000's of Linux users, once there will be an official
 organization, once the moon will be green). In these instances we
 usually complain when we hit a specific website where things do not
 work. This sometimes lead to better support, but sometimes not. The
 reason for failure is that we usually do not act as a group.

 Hence, I would like to suggest a rant meeting, where we will all sit
 down together, and at the same time send complaint letters to as many
 websites as possible (even those we are not users of). While it is
 easy to answer to 1 person complaining on lack of true support, 20
 people, each writing their own letter arriving at the same time (give
 or take), is something which is harder to discard.

 Before the meeting we will collect the offending websites, and in the
 meeting, each of us will send a polite email (with emphasis on
 polite) to the webmasters of all the websites (even if you are not a
 client, mention that you cannot become a client until they have
 support for your browser).

 Besides a hope for a better tomorrow for us and our children ;) we
 will also increase our exposure, maybe shift things in the right
 direction, and of course, have a wonderful time ranting on all the
 nasty webmasters who insist that IE is the only solution.

 Any takers? (btw, this is a meeting which we can also hold
 electronically, so those of us who cannot attend physically, can
 attend through chats, IMs, and such),

 -- 
 Orr Dunkelman,
 orr.dunkel...@gmail.com

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[Haifux] A meeting proposal - Ranting over poor internet support

2010-03-15 Thread Orr Dunkelman
Hi everybody,

Well, we all know that feeling when we try to approach the website
http://some.url.here and fail because they require IE on a windows
machine.

While the situation is slowly getting better (in some aspects), we are
still far away from the wonderland we promised ourselves (yeah, once
there will be 1000's of Linux users, once there will be an official
organization, once the moon will be green). In these instances we
usually complain when we hit a specific website where things do not
work. This sometimes lead to better support, but sometimes not. The
reason for failure is that we usually do not act as a group.

Hence, I would like to suggest a rant meeting, where we will all sit
down together, and at the same time send complaint letters to as many
websites as possible (even those we are not users of). While it is
easy to answer to 1 person complaining on lack of true support, 20
people, each writing their own letter arriving at the same time (give
or take), is something which is harder to discard.

Before the meeting we will collect the offending websites, and in the
meeting, each of us will send a polite email (with emphasis on
polite) to the webmasters of all the websites (even if you are not a
client, mention that you cannot become a client until they have
support for your browser).

Besides a hope for a better tomorrow for us and our children ;) we
will also increase our exposure, maybe shift things in the right
direction, and of course, have a wonderful time ranting on all the
nasty webmasters who insist that IE is the only solution.

Any takers? (btw, this is a meeting which we can also hold
electronically, so those of us who cannot attend physically, can
attend through chats, IMs, and such),

-- 
Orr Dunkelman,
orr.dunkel...@gmail.com

GPG fingerprint: C2D5 C6D6 9A24 9A95 C5B3  2023 6CAB 4A7C B73F D0AA
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Re: [Haifux] A meeting proposal - Ranting over poor internet support

2010-03-15 Thread Yotam Medini
אור,
שא ברכה עבור היוזמה.
כדאי לדעתי להתרכז באתרים ציבוריים, או כאלה שזוכים להכרה ציבורית.
מהם אפשר לתבוע מוסרית שיהיו נגישים לכל ולא יכנעו למונופולים מסחריים.
-- יותם



On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:21:45 +0200
Orr Dunkelman orr.dunkel...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everybody,
 
 Well, we all know that feeling when we try to approach the website
 http://some.url.here and fail because they require IE on a windows
 machine.
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