Re: [Hampshire] [IMPORTANT] Networking for this weekend's Bring a Box meeting
On 1 April 2011 12:10, bryan hunt wrote: > OK, there's been a lot of vitriol, let's revisit my original comment. *sigh* seeing as it's April 1st, and you are a joke, I'll bite... "vitriol" - no... just people saying you're not very nice... I'd guess: accompanied lots of quiet shakes of the head; but no vitriol. > "Wow. So that's where the tax dollars go. Efficient." So your original comment was without any merit or offered any contribution, and certainly not "discussing Linux related issues". As far as I see, your criticism is that a university is wasting money by ensuring its DHCP allocation is secure? Weird interpretation of waste. > So far I've got a five man clique ganging up on me. Not "ganging up" - just on the same side by disliking your tone/statements. Certainly not a clique, as I wouldn't know any of the people on this list from Adam if they cut me up on the A303. Besides, as such a proponent of "fair-comment", one would think you would support any open and honest criticism that might be raised about you... > I'm guessing a large part of the responders, and this is a complete shot > in the dark - are employed by such institutions and as such with brook > no criticism. At least 20% of the five is a self-employed freelancer... In my professional experience, there's a lot more noses in troughs in the private sector (yesterday, I was regaled by a man pleased with himself that he had run up $4,000 bar bills in Vegas on the company card, and blagged a weekend in DisneyLand because the 'client wanted to go there'). I am sincerely surprised by your posts, because on other mailing lists you seem to respond with helpful replies, and even go as far as correcting the posting etiquette of other people... -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [IMPORTANT] Networking for this weekend's Bring a Box meeting
On 01/04/11 12:10, bryan hunt wrote: So far I've got a five man clique ganging up on me. I'm guessing a large part of the responders, and this is a complete shot in the dark - are employed by such institutions and as such with brook no criticism. I also have found Bryan offensive, this is a list that I feel is independent of which political views or which sector you work. When individuals are giving up time and effect to help an organisation whose primary role is to help and support others, there should be nothing other then respect for shown to those individuals. Although I wont be able to attend this meeting I am grateful that people are committing time and effect into trying to ensure such meetings take place as I will be very grateful when time allows me to go and have somewhere to meet people who have an interest in a common subject. I personally feel that either Bryan should reflect and apologise, or be removed. And for the record I am private sector employee, and I have thoughts on many subjects including public sector spending, but I keep those for interested and relevant parties only. Rgds Peter. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [IMPORTANT] Networking for this weekend's Bring a Box meeting
> I personally will be setting my email app to dump any future postings > from you in the 'trash'. Fine. Send a letter to Mary Whitehouse while you're at it. I'm going to do some (real) work now. With kindest regards, Bryan Hunt -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [IMPORTANT] Networking for this weekend's Bring a Box meeting
On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 12:10:10 +0100 bryan hunt wrote: > "Wow. So that's where the tax dollars go. Efficient." > > I presume there's several hundred people on this list. > > So far I've got a five man clique ganging up on me. I have kept out of this so far but as a long time member of HantsLUG I have found your general attitude in emails to the list unhelpful at the very least. You should be aware that the 'five man clique' you complain about are all very respected members of HantsLUG and of the linux community in general. I am sure there any many more LUG members who think the same way but have kept quiet. I personally will be setting my email app to dump any future postings from you in the 'trash' -- John Lewis using Debian sid -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [IMPORTANT] Networking for this weekend's Bring a Box meeting
On Fri, Apr 01, 2011 at 12:10:10PM +0100, bryan hunt wrote: > On Fri, 2011-04-01 at 10:52 +, Andy Smith wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 01, 2011 at 10:16:33AM +0100, bryan hunt wrote: > > At this point I personally would just prefer if you buggered off of > > your own accord. > > OK, there's been a lot of vitriol, let's revisit my original comment. Let's not. I'm not going to fall for your trolling and I don't want to have to see mark large parts of threads read when other people fall for it either. If you have nothing useful to contribute, please stop posting. Andy signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [IMPORTANT] Networking for this weekend's Bring a Box meeting
> > I'm guessing a large part of the responders, and this is a complete shot > > in the dark - are employed by such institutions and as such with brook > > no criticism. > > You would be wrong in at least three cases. I do not know where the others > work or whether they work at all. > > And there are how many that support you? > > No-one is ganging up. You are just a very offensive character who is so > self-opinionated that he believes that anyone who dislikes his behaviour must > of necessity be ganging up with someone else. > > Lisi What is this behaviour to which you refer? I presume the other list members are keeping out of this because they are laughing at either: a) Me or b) You or c) Only come here for advice on how to get their Alcatel win-modem up and running, and stay well up-wind of any geek ranting. There's likely to be bits of pizza and doughnut spluttered in a 180cm arc upon all and sundry. Regards, Bryan Hunt -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [IMPORTANT] Networking for this weekend's Bring a Box meeting
On Friday 01 April 2011 11:33:05 bryan hunt wrote: > I'm just interested in discussing Linux related issues and perhaps going > to the occasional meeting. (Full stop) Then stick to doing that. And stop trolling. Lisi -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [IMPORTANT] Networking for this weekend's Bring a Box meeting
On Friday 01 April 2011 12:10:10 bryan hunt wrote: > I'm guessing a large part of the responders, and this is a complete shot > in the dark - are employed by such institutions and as such with brook > no criticism. You would be wrong in at least three cases. I do not know where the others work or whether they work at all. And there are how many that support you? No-one is ganging up. You are just a very offensive character who is so self-opinionated that he believes that anyone who dislikes his behaviour must of necessity be ganging up with someone else. Lisi -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [IMPORTANT] Networking for this weekend's Bring a Box meeting
On Fri, 2011-04-01 at 10:52 +, Andy Smith wrote: > On Fri, Apr 01, 2011 at 10:16:33AM +0100, bryan hunt wrote: > > If you (or someone you can influence) runs the list, and you (or they) > > don't like my opinions, feel free to unsubscribe me. > > At this point I personally would just prefer if you buggered off of > your own accord. > > Andy > -- OK, there's been a lot of vitriol, let's revisit my original comment. "Wow. So that's where the tax dollars go. Efficient." I presume there's several hundred people on this list. So far I've got a five man clique ganging up on me. I'm guessing a large part of the responders, and this is a complete shot in the dark - are employed by such institutions and as such with brook no criticism. With warmest regards, Bryan Hunt -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [IMPORTANT] Networking for this weekend's Bring a Box meeting
On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 11:46:14 +0100, bryan hunt wrote: On Fri, 2011-04-01 at 11:07 +0100, Michael Pavling wrote: On 1 April 2011 10:16, bryan hunt wrote: > Grow up, and message me on list. I'm sure this has got more to do with > my mockery of your previous, pompous, posting than a concern for the > greater good. ... and I only read The Three Billy Goats Gruff to my daughter last night... Ha ha, seriously, really and truly, I swear, scouts honour, I am not a creature that lives under any bridge or river crossing. I just couldn't help myself. I just don't do public sector, snout in trough. Andy / Adam, IMHO this character is just trolling now and has shown an intent to persevere. Can we consider moderation/banning please? His comments are undoubtedly offensive to those list members who work in the public sector, who are paid less than their private sector counterparts, who are enduring savage budget cuts and job losses and most of whom will never have even seen a trough into which to stick their "snouts". Tony -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [IMPORTANT] Networking for this weekend's Bring a Box meeting
On Fri, Apr 01, 2011 at 10:16:33AM +0100, bryan hunt wrote: > If you (or someone you can influence) runs the list, and you (or they) > don't like my opinions, feel free to unsubscribe me. At this point I personally would just prefer if you buggered off of your own accord. Andy signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [IMPORTANT] Networking for this weekend's Bring a Box meeting
On Fri, 2011-04-01 at 11:07 +0100, Michael Pavling wrote: > On 1 April 2011 10:16, bryan hunt wrote: > > Grow up, and message me on list. I'm sure this has got more to do with > > my mockery of your previous, pompous, posting than a concern for the > > greater good. > > ... and I only read The Three Billy Goats Gruff to my daughter last night... Ha ha, seriously, really and truly, I swear, scouts honour, I am not a creature that lives under any bridge or river crossing. I just couldn't help myself. I just don't do public sector, snout in trough. Bryan -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [IMPORTANT] Networking for this weekend's Bring a Box meeting
On Fri, 2011-04-01 at 10:28 +0100, Lisi wrote: > On Friday 01 April 2011 10:16:33 bryan hunt wrote: > > Grow up, and message me on list. I'm sure this has got more to do with > > my mockery of your previous, pompous, posting than a concern for the > > greater good. > > That is offensive. Adam is most emphatically not offensive, ever that I have > seen. I did not describe him as offensive, I described his previous posting as pompous. > He is Chairman, and a very good one. What are you? Did you suddenly get > appointed to a position of responsibility? You cannot have been elected > since there has not been a recent election. I claimed no such position of responsibility, nor did I seek one. How did you come to that conclusion? Or are you just pulling some sort of rank? I'm just interested in discussing Linux related issues and perhaps going to the occasional meeting. (Full stop) With warmest regards, Bryan Hunt -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [IMPORTANT] Networking for this weekend's Bring a Box meeting
On 1 April 2011 10:16, bryan hunt wrote: > Grow up, and message me on list. I'm sure this has got more to do with > my mockery of your previous, pompous, posting than a concern for the > greater good. ... and I only read The Three Billy Goats Gruff to my daughter last night... -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [IMPORTANT] Networking for this weekend's Bring a Box meeting
On Friday 01 April 2011 10:24:33 Vic wrote: > > I've noticed that veto of discourse is a tradition peculiar to this > > isle. > > There is no such "veto of discourse". > > There are, however, a number of us who consider your posts to be less than > helpful, and who would be especially pleased were you not to post further. > > > I, conversely, consider my post to be fair-comment. > > I, conversely, consider your post to be the work of an arse. I am sure I > am not alone. > > > Perhaps this is a sycophantic community > > No, it isn't. > > It is, however, appreciative of the amount of effort one volunteer is > putting into getting us a meeting place for free. There is no way that > your post could possibly aid that endeavour; it could - likely, would - > discourage that volunteer to the extent that he will think twice about > helping us out in future. This is not helpful - to anyone. > > > I don't know yet, however I > > think it's in the community interest that people feel free to speak > > their minds. > > Yes, everyone should feel free to speak their minds. But they should also > expect a backlash when their mind is full of nothing but spite. Your post > was excessively rude, and I, for one, would like to see the back of you as > a result. > > > As a taxpayer, asymmetric taxpayer, in so far as I pay a lot and receive > > very little in return - I believe I have every right to criticize > > bureaucratic inefficiency. > > You spoke of "tax dollars". Are you a UK tax payer? If not, you have no > such right whatsoever. If you are a UK taxpayer, you have every right to > realise that the support we are currently getting from the University is > all volunteer-based, and thus nothing to do with taxes. > > > If you (or someone you can influence) runs the list, and you (or they) > > don't like my opinions, feel free to unsubscribe me. > > You are free to unsubscribe yourself. I really, really hope you will > exercise that freedom. +1. Thanks, Vic. You have expressed that much better than I did. Lisi -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [IMPORTANT] Networking for this weekend's Bring a Box meeting
On Friday 01 April 2011 10:16:33 bryan hunt wrote: > Grow up, and message me on list. I'm sure this has got more to do with > my mockery of your previous, pompous, posting than a concern for the > greater good. That is offensive. Adam is most emphatically not offensive, ever that I have seen. There are university people here on the list, most, if not all, of whom go out of their way to be helpful. Moreover, many of us would say that it was tactful of him to deliver a well deserved rebuke off-list. He is Chairman, and a very good one. What are you? Did you suddenly get appointed to a position of responsibility? You cannot have been elected since there has not been a recent election. Lisi -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [IMPORTANT] Networking for this weekend's Bring a Box meeting
> I've noticed that veto of discourse is a tradition peculiar to this > isle. There is no such "veto of discourse". There are, however, a number of us who consider your posts to be less than helpful, and who would be especially pleased were you not to post further. > I, conversely, consider my post to be fair-comment. I, conversely, consider your post to be the work of an arse. I am sure I am not alone. > Perhaps this is a sycophantic community No, it isn't. It is, however, appreciative of the amount of effort one volunteer is putting into getting us a meeting place for free. There is no way that your post could possibly aid that endeavour; it could - likely, would - discourage that volunteer to the extent that he will think twice about helping us out in future. This is not helpful - to anyone. > I don't know yet, however I > think it's in the community interest that people feel free to speak > their minds. Yes, everyone should feel free to speak their minds. But they should also expect a backlash when their mind is full of nothing but spite. Your post was excessively rude, and I, for one, would like to see the back of you as a result. > As a taxpayer, asymmetric taxpayer, in so far as I pay a lot and receive > very little in return - I believe I have every right to criticize > bureaucratic inefficiency. You spoke of "tax dollars". Are you a UK tax payer? If not, you have no such right whatsoever. If you are a UK taxpayer, you have every right to realise that the support we are currently getting from the University is all volunteer-based, and thus nothing to do with taxes. > If you (or someone you can influence) runs the list, and you (or they) > don't like my opinions, feel free to unsubscribe me. You are free to unsubscribe yourself. I really, really hope you will exercise that freedom. Vic. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [IMPORTANT] Networking for this weekend's Bring a Box meeting
> I have not replied on list.
>
> Please do not post email like this again to this list, they are
> not helpful.
>
> Chris has put a lot of effort into securing the University venue
> for our use. We jump through whoops and we do not complain as we
> are not paying for the university. If you don't like the whoops
> you don't have to go to the meeting.
Adam,
I've noticed that veto of discourse is a tradition peculiar to this
isle.
I, conversely, consider my post to be fair-comment.
Perhaps this is a sycophantic community, I don't know yet, however I
think it's in the community interest that people feel free to speak
their minds.
Unless what you're looking for is a stagnant community of "yes men".
As a taxpayer, asymmetric taxpayer, in so far as I pay a lot and receive
very little in return - I believe I have every right to criticize
bureaucratic inefficiency.
Is there really someone from that University who is going to say? "Oh,
what cheek, he mocked our clumsy DHCP setup - henceforth and forthwith I
will terminate all access permissions for Linux users and make Windows 7
compulsory!!"
Grow up, and message me on list. I'm sure this has got more to do with
my mockery of your previous, pompous, posting than a concern for the
greater good.
If you (or someone you can influence) runs the list, and you (or they)
don't like my opinions, feel free to unsubscribe me.
Bryan
('This space intentionally left without any self-indulgent quotes)
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Re: [Hampshire] [IMPORTANT] Networking for this weekend's Bring a Box meeting - Thanks
Chris Can I thank you in advance for helping us to respect an organisation's procedures, and for generously guiding us through them. I think that like you, most responsible LUG members are reasonable enough to acknowledge that security is dealt with in many ways, and for many reasons that an outsider may not be aware of or understand. Hopefully there will soon be a simple process we can accept and where appropriate give constructive feedback to. Meanwhile, thanks to you and Adam for your patience. -- Ed -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [IMPORTANT] Networking for this weekend's Bring a Box meeting
On Thu, 2011-03-31 at 08:03 +0100, Chris Malton wrote: > Hi everyone, > > (With apologies for not sending via Adam first) > > Unfortunately, after some discussion with the Systems team at the > University, I have had the wipe the DHCP database due to a fundamental > flaw in the web form used to submit the data. > > If you have already submitted DHCP requests, please do so again. > You will now have to agree to both the University and the departmental > terms of use for computing facilities, and that's something I've had > imposed on me. > > If you don't register by the weekend, hopefully, upon turning up and > connecting, you'll get the DHCP page appear as soon as you try to visit > any other site, and then if you give it (at most) 10 minutes, it'll > re-register you and all will be well and you'll have proper networking. > I'm working to make this instant, but it does depend on a few bits of > magic that aren't so easy to implement. > > Look forward to dealing with all the problems from this on Saturday. > > Chris Malton Wow. So that's where the tax dollars go. Efficient. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] [IMPORTANT] Networking for this weekend's Bring a Box meeting
Hi everyone, (With apologies for not sending via Adam first) Unfortunately, after some discussion with the Systems team at the University, I have had the wipe the DHCP database due to a fundamental flaw in the web form used to submit the data. If you have already submitted DHCP requests, please do so again. You will now have to agree to both the University and the departmental terms of use for computing facilities, and that's something I've had imposed on me. If you don't register by the weekend, hopefully, upon turning up and connecting, you'll get the DHCP page appear as soon as you try to visit any other site, and then if you give it (at most) 10 minutes, it'll re-register you and all will be well and you'll have proper networking. I'm working to make this instant, but it does depend on a few bits of magic that aren't so easy to implement. Look forward to dealing with all the problems from this on Saturday. Chris Malton -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
