Re: [Hardhats-members] Announcing XML exporter (Beta testers wanted.)

2005-07-19 Thread K.S. Bhaskar
There is a philosophical difference between XML and HTML - the first is 
to represent / store information with no thought to how it is displayed. 
 HTML involves content and display, but the emphasis is on 
presentation.  Constructs involved in presentation change more rapidly 
than the constructs involved in the former.


So what makes sense is to dump the data from VistA in XML, and then to 
post process to HTML for presentation/viewing.  But that data in XML 
could be imported into another EHR system, which would be much harder to 
do with an HTML file.


-- Bhaskar

Kevin Toppenberg wrote:

That's a good idea, but off track from what I want.
When I dump the file to html, I want it to be able to
go to a disk that a patient could take with them
somewhere.  Then someone could view the record from
the disk with a web browser.

Kevin



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Re: [Hardhats-members] Announcing XML exporter (Beta testers wanted.)

2005-07-19 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
Good thought.

And welcome back, Bhaskar :-)

Kevin

--- K.S. Bhaskar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There is a philosophical difference between XML and
 HTML - the first is 
 to represent / store information with no thought to
 how it is displayed. 
   HTML involves content and display, but the
 emphasis is on 
 presentation.  Constructs involved in presentation
 change more rapidly 
 than the constructs involved in the former.
 
 So what makes sense is to dump the data from VistA
 in XML, and then to 
 post process to HTML for presentation/viewing.  But
 that data in XML 
 could be imported into another EHR system, which
 would be much harder to 
 do with an HTML file.
 
 -- Bhaskar
 
 Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
  That's a good idea, but off track from what I
 want.
  When I dump the file to html, I want it to be able
 to
  go to a disk that a patient could take with them
  somewhere.  Then someone could view the record
 from
  the disk with a web browser.
  
  Kevin
 
 

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RE: [Hardhats-members] Announcing XML exporter (Beta testers wanted.)

2005-07-14 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
That's a good idea, but off track from what I want. 
When I dump the file to html, I want it to be able to
go to a disk that a patient could take with them
somewhere.  Then someone could view the record from
the disk with a web browser.

Kevin


--- Gary Monger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'd suggest looking at the RPCs that support CPRS. 
 If its available to
 CPRS, then you should be able to find the RPC, call
 it, and format the
 output any way you want.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Kevin
 Toppenberg
 Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 3:51 PM
 To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Announcing XML
 exporter (Beta testers
 wanted.)
 
 One of my goals has been to be able to dump a chart
 to
 a .html format, viewable in a web browser.
 
 This should be straight-forward for progress notes
 (all that I am concerned with at this point.)  But
 if
 one gets into all the other info that can be stored
 (i.e. labs etc etc.) then I give up.
 
 Kevin
 
 --- Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Sounds like it is made to create a CCR to me.  Of
  course, one just has to find 
  the fields, no small task!
  
  On Wednesday 13 July 2005 03:31 pm, Kevin
 Toppenberg
  wrote:
   Well, I am finally done with my XML exporter.
  
   Features:
   --Separate modules for usr interface (setting up
   export request) and actual export, to allow for
  future
   modular use.
   --Export 1 or more files at a time
   --Works with Sort Templates to allow a user to
  search
   for a complex set of desired output records, and
  then
   export only those found matches.
   --Custom choice of output fields
   --Custom tag names allowed for output fields
   --Custom output transform for individual fields
   allowed (untested)
   --Progress bar for long exports.
  
   Of course, now the debugging and testing begins.
  And
   that is where you all come in.  If you could
 help
  me
   by testing the code, please let me know and I'll
  get
   the code to you (somehow).
  
   I've put 1-2 weeks of development time into
 this,
  so I
   hope that someone else can find it useful.
  
   Thanks
   Kevin
  
  
  
  
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Announcing XML exporter (Beta testers wanted.)

2005-07-14 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
I am a XML newbie, so bear with me.

Are you saying to use my XML exporter to get the data
out of VistA, then use a separate program to assemble
the information into a final CCR?

And what is XSLT?

Thanks
Kevin


--- Gregory Woodhouse
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I know of no implementation of XSLT in MUMPS, but
 there are open  
 source tools like Xalan. Instead of trying to export
 data directly to  
 CCR, why not consider exporting to SOME format (so
 long as it's XML,  
 of course) using as many separate exports as you
 need, and then write  
 an XSLT transformation (a.k.a. style sheet) to
 convert it to the  
 format you want?
 
 ===
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
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 refinement
   of everyday thinking.  -- Albert Einstein
 
 
 On Jul 13, 2005, at 12:45 PM, Nancy Anthracite
 wrote:
 
  Sounds like it is made to create a CCR to me.  Of
 course, one just  
  has to find
  the fields, no small task!
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: [Hardhats-members] Announcing XML exporter (Beta testers wanted.)

2005-07-14 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
Absolutely.  Modularity if powerful in many ways.

Kevin


--- Gregory Woodhouse
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dare I be so audacious as to suggest that this is a
 good example of  
 dividing a task into subtasks that don't need to
 know about the  
 larger context? The XML exporter could have been
 (indeed, was)  
 designed without regard to any larger problem such
 as generating a  
 CCR document from Vista.
 
 ===
 Gregory Woodhouse
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 It is foolish to answer a question that
 you do not understand.
 --G. Polya (How to Solve It)
 
 
 On Jul 13, 2005, at 1:54 PM, Gregory Woodhouse
 wrote:
 
  I know of no implementation of XSLT in MUMPS, but
 there are open  
  source tools like Xalan. Instead of trying to
 export data directly  
  to CCR, why not consider exporting to SOME format
 (so long as it's  
  XML, of course) using as many separate exports as
 you need, and  
  then write an XSLT transformation (a.k.a. style
 sheet) to convert  
  it to the format you want?
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: [Hardhats-members] Announcing XML exporter (Beta testers wanted.)

2005-07-14 Thread Gregory Woodhouse
XSLT is a kind of mini-language that allows you to transform (hence  
the 'T') the structure of XML documents.  It was originally intended  
as a stylesheet language (hence the 'S') that could be used to  
transform XML to HTML, a special formatting markup intended primarily  
for print (XSL Formatting Objects, or XSL-FO) or even other formats  
like plain text. Sim[;e stylesheets include selectors for specific  
elements and output templates indicating what should be replaced in  
with elements from the input document, but the language also supports  
more complex conditional logic.


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forefathers. -- Benjamin Disraeli




On Jul 14, 2005, at 5:04 AM, Kevin Toppenberg wrote:


I am a XML newbie, so bear with me.

Are you saying to use my XML exporter to get the data
out of VistA, then use a separate program to assemble
the information into a final CCR?

And what is XSLT?

Thanks
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Announcing XML exporter (Beta testers wanted.)

2005-07-14 Thread Gregory Woodhouse
Incidentally, XSLT and XSL-FO were initially part of the same  
specification. I think one of the main reasons XSLT was split off  
into a separate specification is that people quickly came to realize  
how useful it would be for applications having nothing to do with  
style or formatting. It has become a kind of general purpose data  
transformation language.


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you do not understand.
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On Jul 14, 2005, at 5:45 AM, Gregory Woodhouse wrote:

XSLT is a kind of mini-language that allows you to transform (hence  
the 'T') the structure of XML documents.  It was originally  
intended as a stylesheet language (hence the 'S') that could be  
used to transform XML to HTML, a special formatting markup intended  
primarily for print (XSL Formatting Objects, or XSL-FO) or even  
other formats like plain text. Sim[;e stylesheets include selectors  
for specific elements and output templates indicating what should  
be replaced in with elements from the input document, but the  
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RE: [Hardhats-members] Announcing XML exporter (Beta testers wanted.)

2005-07-14 Thread Gary Monger
My intent was to address your comment about pulling information other than
progress notes (labs etc etc), in context of Nancy's reference about finding
the fields.  You probably don't need to find the fields, just the right RPC.
The results of those calls tend to be built for clinicians, but many will
serve well for patients too.

The calls don't have to come through the broker, you can make them from your
MUMPS code.



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin
Toppenberg
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 8:02 AM
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Announcing XML exporter (Beta testers
wanted.)

That's a good idea, but off track from what I want. 
When I dump the file to html, I want it to be able to
go to a disk that a patient could take with them
somewhere.  Then someone could view the record from
the disk with a web browser.

Kevin


--- Gary Monger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'd suggest looking at the RPCs that support CPRS. 
 If its available to
 CPRS, then you should be able to find the RPC, call
 it, and format the
 output any way you want.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Kevin
 Toppenberg
 Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 3:51 PM
 To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Announcing XML
 exporter (Beta testers
 wanted.)
 
 One of my goals has been to be able to dump a chart
 to
 a .html format, viewable in a web browser.
 
 This should be straight-forward for progress notes
 (all that I am concerned with at this point.)  But
 if
 one gets into all the other info that can be stored
 (i.e. labs etc etc.) then I give up.
 
 Kevin
 
 --- Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Sounds like it is made to create a CCR to me.  Of
  course, one just has to find 
  the fields, no small task!
  
  On Wednesday 13 July 2005 03:31 pm, Kevin
 Toppenberg
  wrote:
   Well, I am finally done with my XML exporter.
  
   Features:
   --Separate modules for usr interface (setting up
   export request) and actual export, to allow for
  future
   modular use.
   --Export 1 or more files at a time
   --Works with Sort Templates to allow a user to
  search
   for a complex set of desired output records, and
  then
   export only those found matches.
   --Custom choice of output fields
   --Custom tag names allowed for output fields
   --Custom output transform for individual fields
   allowed (untested)
   --Progress bar for long exports.
  
   Of course, now the debugging and testing begins.
  And
   that is where you all come in.  If you could
 help
  me
   by testing the code, please let me know and I'll
  get
   the code to you (somehow).
  
   I've put 1-2 weeks of development time into
 this,
  so I
   hope that someone else can find it useful.
  
   Thanks
   Kevin
  
  
  
  
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RE: [Hardhats-members] Announcing XML exporter (Beta testers wanted.)

2005-07-14 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
OK.  I didn't understand you at first.  That is an
excelent idea that I hadn't thought of before.  Thank
you very much.  I have been doing to much of
reinventing the wheel already.  So it would be nice to
let the RPC calls do it for me.

At first I thought you were talking about writing a
custom RPC call that would change the format of the
note passed out to CPRS into html on the server side,
so that it could work with my custom html-aware CPRS.

Thanks again
Kevin

--- Gary Monger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My intent was to address your comment about pulling
 information other than
 progress notes (labs etc etc), in context of Nancy's
 reference about finding
 the fields.  You probably don't need to find the
 fields, just the right RPC.
 The results of those calls tend to be built for
 clinicians, but many will
 serve well for patients too.
 
 The calls don't have to come through the broker, you
 can make them from your
 MUMPS code.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Kevin
 Toppenberg
 Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 8:02 AM
 To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Announcing XML
 exporter (Beta testers
 wanted.)
 
 That's a good idea, but off track from what I want. 
 When I dump the file to html, I want it to be able
 to
 go to a disk that a patient could take with them
 somewhere.  Then someone could view the record from
 the disk with a web browser.
 
 Kevin
 
 
 --- Gary Monger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I'd suggest looking at the RPCs that support CPRS.
 
  If its available to
  CPRS, then you should be able to find the RPC,
 call
  it, and format the
  output any way you want.
  
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Kevin
  Toppenberg
  Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 3:51 PM
  To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
  Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Announcing XML
  exporter (Beta testers
  wanted.)
  
  One of my goals has been to be able to dump a
 chart
  to
  a .html format, viewable in a web browser.
  
  This should be straight-forward for progress notes
  (all that I am concerned with at this point.)  But
  if
  one gets into all the other info that can be
 stored
  (i.e. labs etc etc.) then I give up.
  
  Kevin
  
  --- Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  
   Sounds like it is made to create a CCR to me. 
 Of
   course, one just has to find 
   the fields, no small task!
   
   On Wednesday 13 July 2005 03:31 pm, Kevin
  Toppenberg
   wrote:
Well, I am finally done with my XML exporter.
   
Features:
--Separate modules for usr interface (setting
 up
export request) and actual export, to allow
 for
   future
modular use.
--Export 1 or more files at a time
--Works with Sort Templates to allow a user to
   search
for a complex set of desired output records,
 and
   then
export only those found matches.
--Custom choice of output fields
--Custom tag names allowed for output fields
--Custom output transform for individual
 fields
allowed (untested)
--Progress bar for long exports.
   
Of course, now the debugging and testing
 begins.
   And
that is where you all come in.  If you could
  help
   me
by testing the code, please let me know and
 I'll
   get
the code to you (somehow).
   
I've put 1-2 weeks of development time into
  this,
   so I
hope that someone else can find it useful.
   
Thanks
Kevin
   
   
   
   
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Announcing XML exporter (Beta testers wanted.)

2005-07-13 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
One of my goals has been to be able to dump a chart to
a .html format, viewable in a web browser.

This should be straight-forward for progress notes
(all that I am concerned with at this point.)  But if
one gets into all the other info that can be stored
(i.e. labs etc etc.) then I give up.

Kevin

--- Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sounds like it is made to create a CCR to me.  Of
 course, one just has to find 
 the fields, no small task!
 
 On Wednesday 13 July 2005 03:31 pm, Kevin Toppenberg
 wrote:
  Well, I am finally done with my XML exporter.
 
  Features:
  --Separate modules for usr interface (setting up
  export request) and actual export, to allow for
 future
  modular use.
  --Export 1 or more files at a time
  --Works with Sort Templates to allow a user to
 search
  for a complex set of desired output records, and
 then
  export only those found matches.
  --Custom choice of output fields
  --Custom tag names allowed for output fields
  --Custom output transform for individual fields
  allowed (untested)
  --Progress bar for long exports.
 
  Of course, now the debugging and testing begins.
 And
  that is where you all come in.  If you could help
 me
  by testing the code, please let me know and I'll
 get
  the code to you (somehow).
 
  I've put 1-2 weeks of development time into this,
 so I
  hope that someone else can find it useful.
 
  Thanks
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Announcing XML exporter (Beta testers wanted.)

2005-07-13 Thread Nancy Anthracite
Well then, Greg will just have to hurry up and finish Triton!  ;-)


On Wednesday 13 July 2005 03:50 pm, Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
 One of my goals has been to be able to dump a chart to
 a .html format, viewable in a web browser.

 This should be straight-forward for progress notes
 (all that I am concerned with at this point.)  But if
 one gets into all the other info that can be stored
 (i.e. labs etc etc.) then I give up.

 Kevin

 --- Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Sounds like it is made to create a CCR to me.  Of
  course, one just has to find
  the fields, no small task!
 
  On Wednesday 13 July 2005 03:31 pm, Kevin Toppenberg
 
  wrote:
   Well, I am finally done with my XML exporter.
  
   Features:
   --Separate modules for usr interface (setting up
   export request) and actual export, to allow for
 
  future
 
   modular use.
   --Export 1 or more files at a time
   --Works with Sort Templates to allow a user to
 
  search
 
   for a complex set of desired output records, and
 
  then
 
   export only those found matches.
   --Custom choice of output fields
   --Custom tag names allowed for output fields
   --Custom output transform for individual fields
   allowed (untested)
   --Progress bar for long exports.
  
   Of course, now the debugging and testing begins.
 
  And
 
   that is where you all come in.  If you could help
 
  me
 
   by testing the code, please let me know and I'll
 
  get
 
   the code to you (somehow).
  
   I've put 1-2 weeks of development time into this,
 
  so I
 
   hope that someone else can find it useful.
  
   Thanks
   Kevin
  
  
  
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RE: [Hardhats-members] Announcing XML exporter (Beta testers wanted.)

2005-07-13 Thread Gary Monger
I'd suggest looking at the RPCs that support CPRS.  If its available to
CPRS, then you should be able to find the RPC, call it, and format the
output any way you want.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin
Toppenberg
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 3:51 PM
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Announcing XML exporter (Beta testers
wanted.)

One of my goals has been to be able to dump a chart to
a .html format, viewable in a web browser.

This should be straight-forward for progress notes
(all that I am concerned with at this point.)  But if
one gets into all the other info that can be stored
(i.e. labs etc etc.) then I give up.

Kevin

--- Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sounds like it is made to create a CCR to me.  Of
 course, one just has to find 
 the fields, no small task!
 
 On Wednesday 13 July 2005 03:31 pm, Kevin Toppenberg
 wrote:
  Well, I am finally done with my XML exporter.
 
  Features:
  --Separate modules for usr interface (setting up
  export request) and actual export, to allow for
 future
  modular use.
  --Export 1 or more files at a time
  --Works with Sort Templates to allow a user to
 search
  for a complex set of desired output records, and
 then
  export only those found matches.
  --Custom choice of output fields
  --Custom tag names allowed for output fields
  --Custom output transform for individual fields
  allowed (untested)
  --Progress bar for long exports.
 
  Of course, now the debugging and testing begins.
 And
  that is where you all come in.  If you could help
 me
  by testing the code, please let me know and I'll
 get
  the code to you (somehow).
 
  I've put 1-2 weeks of development time into this,
 so I
  hope that someone else can find it useful.
 
  Thanks
  Kevin
 
 
 
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Announcing XML exporter (Beta testers wanted.)

2005-07-13 Thread Gregory Woodhouse
I know of no implementation of XSLT in MUMPS, but there are open  
source tools like Xalan. Instead of trying to export data directly to  
CCR, why not consider exporting to SOME format (so long as it's XML,  
of course) using as many separate exports as you need, and then write  
an XSLT transformation (a.k.a. style sheet) to convert it to the  
format you want?


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On Jul 13, 2005, at 12:45 PM, Nancy Anthracite wrote:

Sounds like it is made to create a CCR to me.  Of course, one just  
has to find

the fields, no small task!






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Re: [Hardhats-members] Announcing XML exporter (Beta testers wanted.)

2005-07-13 Thread Gregory Woodhouse
Dare I be so audacious as to suggest that this is a good example of  
dividing a task into subtasks that don't need to know about the  
larger context? The XML exporter could have been (indeed, was)  
designed without regard to any larger problem such as generating a  
CCR document from Vista.


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On Jul 13, 2005, at 1:54 PM, Gregory Woodhouse wrote:

I know of no implementation of XSLT in MUMPS, but there are open  
source tools like Xalan. Instead of trying to export data directly  
to CCR, why not consider exporting to SOME format (so long as it's  
XML, of course) using as many separate exports as you need, and  
then write an XSLT transformation (a.k.a. style sheet) to convert  
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