RE: [Hardhats-members] VistA licensing.
I just got around to searching for Paint.NET I can't find it. Can you post a URL? Thanks Kevin --- David Sommers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find that the most flexible license is one that doesn't exist - such as Public Domain. One of my favorite little programs is a Photoshop like replacement for Windows called Paint.NET. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. Get your fingers limbered up and give it your best shot. 4 great events, 4 opportunities to win big! Highest score wins.NEC IT Guy Games. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display. Visit http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] VistA licensing.
VistA is Public Domain, not Open Source, always has been, always (at least should) will be. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ignacio Valdes Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 4:38 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] VistA licensing. I would suspect that the license would have to come down to either GNU GPL or FreeBSD type-license. Now, deciding between the two: let the games begin! :-) -- IV --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] VistA licensing.
I can understand how new modules (a.k.a packages) built on top of VistA infrastructure could be licensed under GPL, but I cannot believe that software obtained via FOIA could simply declared to be open source. Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 24, 2005, at 1:44 PM, Roy Gaber wrote: VistA is Public Domain, not Open Source, always has been, always (at least should) will be. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ignacio Valdes Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 4:38 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] VistA licensing. I would suspect that the license would have to come down to either GNU GPL or FreeBSD type-license. Now, deciding between the two: let the games begin! :-) -- IV --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] VistA licensing.
Exactly, it couldn't, but the install routines, the additional modules, the documentation (non-VA) all of that could. My little attempt at getting greek to work even though it isn't much more than a hack and a hack explained to me by others could. And that could aid other Greek or foreign language implementers work on other things that are more important. So, if you use the modules, if you use the routines, if you use gpl software than you should gpl your source. By the way... VistA isn't exactly public domain either, because the VA will not allow external modifications to find it's way back to the codestream. It is a public domain copy. Which you can do with what you want, except alter the original. And, because Vista FOIA is released every so often, that would also have to be incorporated into the GPL modifications... We ( well not me per ce) are kind of doing that now (but without the license)... with viva .x instead of the foia. ... And NO, it isn't a perfect way to do GPL, but I don't really see the Government GPL'ing Vista, so it is up to us to GPL the modifications we make. ... I notice that I use GPL a lot... nothing wrong with the BSD license either... In fact I am even a Berkeley grad. On Sun, 2005-04-24 at 14:09 -0700, Gregory Woodhouse wrote: I can understand how new modules (a.k.a packages) built on top of VistA infrastructure could be licensed under GPL, but I cannot believe that software obtained via FOIA could simply declared to be open source. Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 24, 2005, at 1:44 PM, Roy Gaber wrote: VistA is Public Domain, not Open Source, always has been, always (at least should) will be. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ignacio Valdes Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 4:38 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] VistA licensing. I would suspect that the license would have to come down to either GNU GPL or FreeBSD type-license. Now, deciding between the two: let the games begin! :-) -- IV --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] VistA licensing.
I should add that we're discussing OpenVistA of course and not FOIA VistA or any other name to replace OpenVistA as pointed out by Nancy. Molly Dr Molly Cheah wrote: Ignacio, The games, nay, the discussions started seriously in two other mailing lists last year, Vista-vendors and Vista-open-source on yahoogroups. That discussion fizzled out... simply because the decision making entity isn't the discussants. Maury just reminded us of the existence of vista-open-source mailist. Besides, we need to use those lists soon otherwise yahoogroups will deactivate them after a certain specified timeframe ?6months. Molly Ignacio Valdes wrote: I would suspect that the license would have to come down to either GNU GPL or FreeBSD type-license. Now, deciding between the two: let the games begin! :-) -- IV --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] VistA licensing.
It's the process not the license that really mattersPublic Domain could work just as well as an open source license in providing a collaborative medium if improvements are made available to others via public domainbut IMHO it is naive to expect this to happen given the past 15+ years of experience. It is important to note that we all have come to expect the VA to make its improvements available to everyone via FOIAis it not reasonable to expect others who benefit from the VA's and taxpayer investment in VistA to do the same. If that is not reason enough then let me point out that it is this quid pro quo that fuels a virtuous spiral of improvement that in turn positively impacts health outcomes...this is essentiallly the kind of process that created VistA and has fueled the VA's success in health quality. The fact that we are still chasing the holy grail of integrated EHR's and health information systems outside of the VA is ample proof that the legacy software business models are incapable of spawning this kind of improvement in software. Joseph Roy Gaber wrote: VistA is Public Domain, not Open Source, always has been, always (at least should) will be. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ignacio Valdes Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 4:38 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] VistA licensing. I would suspect that the license would have to come down to either GNU GPL or FreeBSD type-license. Now, deciding between the two: let the games begin! :-) -- IV --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members . --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] VistA licensing.
You are absolutely correct, I stand corrected. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Self Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 8:44 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] VistA licensing. I don't understand why suddenly there is so much repetition on this list of the mistaken notion that software in the Public Domain is not Open Source. It is surely the oldest form of Open Source and has been accepted as such since the term Open Source was originated. It was explicitly added to version 1.2 of the Open Source definition. Please see http://opensource.org/docs/definition.php VistA is Public Domain, not Open Source, always has been, always (at least should) will be. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ignacio Valdes Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 4:38 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] VistA licensing. I would suspect that the license would have to come down to either GNU GPL or FreeBSD type-license. Now, deciding between the two: let the games begin! :-) --- Jim Self Systems Architect, Lead Developer VMTH Computer Services, UC Davis (http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/us/jaself) --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] VistA licensing.
I think there is a distinction being made between varieties of open source. I don't think anyone is trying to say that public domain isn't open source. On Sunday 24 April 2005 08:43 pm, Jim Self wrote: I don't understand why suddenly there is so much repetition on this list of the mistaken notion that software in the Public Domain is not Open Source. It is surely the oldest form of Open Source and has been accepted as such since the term Open Source was originated. It was explicitly added to version 1.2 of the Open Source definition. Please see http://opensource.org/docs/definition.php VistA is Public Domain, not Open Source, always has been, always (at least should) will be. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ignacio Valdes Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 4:38 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] VistA licensing. I would suspect that the license would have to come down to either GNU GPL or FreeBSD type-license. Now, deciding between the two: let the games begin! :-) --- Jim Self Systems Architect, Lead Developer VMTH Computer Services, UC Davis (http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/us/jaself) --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members -- Nancy Anthracite --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] VistA licensing.
I find that the most flexible license is one that doesn't exist - such as Public Domain. One of my favorite little programs is a Photoshop like replacement for Windows called Paint.NET. The license is: Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the Software), to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions: The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software. By far the most flexible, quickest to read, and easiest to understand. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy Anthracite Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 9:07 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] VistA licensing. I think there is a distinction being made between varieties of open source. I don't think anyone is trying to say that public domain isn't open source. On Sunday 24 April 2005 08:43 pm, Jim Self wrote: I don't understand why suddenly there is so much repetition on this list of the mistaken notion that software in the Public Domain is not Open Source. It is surely the oldest form of Open Source and has been accepted as such since the term Open Source was originated. It was explicitly added to version 1.2 of the Open Source definition. Please see http://opensource.org/docs/definition.php VistA is Public Domain, not Open Source, always has been, always (at least should) will be. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ignacio Valdes Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 4:38 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] VistA licensing. I would suspect that the license would have to come down to either GNU GPL or FreeBSD type-license. Now, deciding between the two: let the games begin! :-) --- Jim Self Systems Architect, Lead Developer VMTH Computer Services, UC Davis (http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/us/jaself) --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members -- Nancy Anthracite --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95alloc_id396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
