Re: [H] iMac arrived today...

[j maccraw]

Oh, so most manufactures don't make cards for a common
bus, interface 
standard & supply windows drivers? Odd, I thought that
was the case.

Choice, as in what to choose is complicated.

Ben Ruset wrote:
> I would hardly call the PC hardware landscape
"simple."
> 
> 
> 
> j maccraw wrote:
>> it's not anti-apple, it's pro-consumer, pro-choice,
>> and promotes price
>> competition on hardware not too mention giving MS a
>> run for their money.
>>
>> Dump on MS all you want, they deserve it, but they
did
>> unify & simplify
>> the PC market w/o imposing "use our hardware or
>> nothing' on the market.
>>
>>
>> Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
>>> I'm confused.if OS/X runs on the same hardware
>> as what you call PCs
>>> why haven't they already captured this slice?
>>>
>>> Oh, you mean they should just sell the OS
standlone
>> on the shelf or
>>> licence it to vendors to sell with PCs.  But then
>> there would be no
>>> "APPLE".
>>>
>>> I think that's decidedly anti-APPLE thinking. :)
>>>
>>> No point in being frustrated and don't expect
>> changes until Jobs dies. :)
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [H] OT: Awesome South Park tonight

[tmservo]

Never played WoW, but I've seen it...  This was hilarious

Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless  

-Original Message-
From: joeuser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:59:20 
To:The Hardware List 
Subject: Re: [H] OT: Awesome South Park tonight

Ok, glad you said something. I don't trust the numb nutted bastards in 
the game anymore... Chuck Norris facts? I'll check out the encore.

Brian Weeden wrote:

> They just did an awesome parody of World of Warcraft.  Must see for
> anyone who has played the game.
> 

-- 
Cheers,
joeuser (still looking for the 'any' key)

Re: [H] iMac arrived today...

[Stan Zaske]

I like Windows XP but despise Microsoft! Sadly, @ this point in time 
nothing else competes but I would give OSX a shot if Apple ever came out 
with a try-before-you-buy version.



Mesdaq, Ali wrote:
Well let me take a shot at answering your question. 
Why would I buy OSX to run on my PC when there are a million Windows

apps out there that won't run on it?

Although I don't own a mac I would say that there are enough
applications that do the same thing on macs as they do on windows.
Email, web browsing, games, office productivity, graphics, video
editing, etc. I used to make that same argument all the time but I
personally cant think of anything that I use that can't be done on a
mac. I don't play many games and I am aware it is lacking full support
there. But can you name a few type of apps that are not available on
macs?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stan Zaske
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:28 PM
To: The Hardware List
Subject: Re: [H] iMac arrived today...

That's a crap answer Bryan (lol) and you know it! Instead of showing 
your bias why not answer my ? instead. You can't argue with market share


Einstein! ;-)


Bryan Seitz wrote:
  

On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 11:42:43PM -0500, Stan Zaske wrote:
  

I don't get it! Why would I buy OSX to run on my PC when there are a 
million Windows apps out there that won't run on it? Am I missing 
something here? Do Window's apps run on OSX?

  
Cause windows is a giant flaming turd that has been shined up 
over the years.  It's still a turd.


  



  

Re: [H] iMac arrived today...

[Ben Ruset]

I would hardly call the PC hardware landscape "simple."



j maccraw wrote:

it's not anti-apple, it's pro-consumer, pro-choice,
and promotes price
competition on hardware not too mention giving MS a
run for their money.

Dump on MS all you want, they deserve it, but they did
unify & simplify
the PC market w/o imposing "use our hardware or
nothing' on the market.


Anthony Q. Martin wrote:

I'm confused.if OS/X runs on the same hardware
as what you call PCs 

why haven't they already captured this slice?

Oh, you mean they should just sell the OS standlone
on the shelf or 

licence it to vendors to sell with PCs.  But then
there would be no 

"APPLE".

I think that's decidedly anti-APPLE thinking. :)

No point in being frustrated and don't expect

changes until Jobs dies. :)





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Re: [H] OT: Awesome South Park tonight

[joeuser]

Ok, glad you said something. I don't trust the numb nutted bastards in 
the game anymore... Chuck Norris facts? I'll check out the encore.


Brian Weeden wrote:


They just did an awesome parody of World of Warcraft.  Must see for
anyone who has played the game.



--
Cheers,
joeuser (still looking for the 'any' key)

Re: [H] iMac arrived today...

[j maccraw]

it's not anti-apple, it's pro-consumer, pro-choice,
and promotes price
competition on hardware not too mention giving MS a
run for their money.

Dump on MS all you want, they deserve it, but they did
unify & simplify
the PC market w/o imposing "use our hardware or
nothing' on the market.


Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
> I'm confused.if OS/X runs on the same hardware
as what you call PCs 
> why haven't they already captured this slice?
> 
> Oh, you mean they should just sell the OS standlone
on the shelf or 
> licence it to vendors to sell with PCs.  But then
there would be no 
> "APPLE".
> 
> I think that's decidedly anti-APPLE thinking. :)
> 
> No point in being frustrated and don't expect
changes until Jobs dies. :)
> 
> 


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Re: [H] iMac arrived today...

[j maccraw]

Here here!

Not too mention then I could role-my-own instead of
paying top $$$ for
their cookie cutter hardware.

Chris Reeves wrote:
> I'll tell you this, the more time I spend with
Vista, the more convinced I
> am that Apple is wrong.  Not because Vista is great,
but because if Apple
> would get off it's high horse and decide to be a
software maker, it could
> sell immense volumes of OS/X for the PC market, and
be an instant
> competitor.  
> 
> Apple's closed system is what f*(& them, not
Microsoft.  I've played with
> OS/X 86 (legitimate, through a legitimate local
developer) and the thing
> runs on virtually anything as long as I put the PCI
card from them in.  I've
> seen it run on AMD, old Dells, whatever.  The thing
works and runs smooth on
> most hardware, because at it's heart, it's linux
type core still handles it.
> 
> Which is what kills me about apple.  They could have
a significant slice of
> the overall PC market if they wanted it.  Yes, I
know they do well (6% of
> total market, which is not bad) but if OS/X were to
be an option for any PC
> owner, they could capture a big slice of it as
they'd have a lot more
> adopters of their product.
> 


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Re: [H] AVG free edition

[j maccraw]

If you have questionable, submit them to
VirusTotal.com for scanning
against 20 or so engines! ;-)

Problem to note with VT is 2 scanners almost always
mark some files as
suspicious depending on how they are packed without
giving any specific
or concrete virus  warning.

dhs wrote:
> Thane,
> Not completely a waste of time; other than the
initial web-based update.
> It did find and clean a bunch of stuff out.  Yes, it
did miss several newer 
> baddies.  Not to worry.  Advice taken.  Demo NOD32
now running.  I am 
> impressed.  It is very aggressive and did find the
rest of the trash.
> 2 more dialers, 3 more trojans, and several
hueristic questionables that it 
> submitted for confirmation.  Don't know how I'll
ever find out yea/nea though 
> because the system does not have email running.



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Re: [H] High CPU on Explorer.exe and TaskMgr.exe

[j maccraw]

If you use SI's (now M$) process explorer you can
track down the
thread/dll that is eating the cpu cycles WITHIN the
process & try to
diagnose from there.



Thane Sherrington wrote:
> At 05:52 PM 02/10/2006, Veech wrote:
>> I have exactly the same problem, Explorer seems to
be eating up CPU 
>> cycles. Sometimes the damned thing stalls and
requires a reboot.
> 
> Have you tried a repair install?
> 
> T
> 
> 


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Re: [H] iMac arrived today...

[j maccraw]

Here here!

Not too mention then I could role-my-own instead of
paying top $$$ for
their cookie cutter hardware.

Chris Reeves wrote:
> I'll tell you this, the more time I spend with
Vista, the more convinced I
> am that Apple is wrong.  Not because Vista is great,
but because if Apple
> would get off it's high horse and decide to be a
software maker, it could
> sell immense volumes of OS/X for the PC market, and
be an instant
> competitor.  
> 
> Apple's closed system is what f*(& them, not
Microsoft.  I've played with
> OS/X 86 (legitimate, through a legitimate local
developer) and the thing
> runs on virtually anything as long as I put the PCI
card from them in.  I've
> seen it run on AMD, old Dells, whatever.  The thing
works and runs smooth on
> most hardware, because at it's heart, it's linux
type core still handles it.
> 
> Which is what kills me about apple.  They could have
a significant slice of
> the overall PC market if they wanted it.  Yes, I
know they do well (6% of
> total market, which is not bad) but if OS/X were to
be an option for any PC
> owner, they could capture a big slice of it as
they'd have a lot more
> adopters of their product.
> 


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Re: [H] High CPU on Explorer.exe and TaskMgr.exe

[j maccraw]

If you use SI's (now M$) process explorer you can
track down the
thread/dll that is eating the cpu cycles WITHIN the
process & try to
diagnose from there.



Thane Sherrington wrote:
> At 05:52 PM 02/10/2006, Veech wrote:
>> I have exactly the same problem, Explorer seems to
be eating up CPU 
>> cycles. Sometimes the damned thing stalls and
requires a reboot.
> 
> Have you tried a repair install?
> 
> T
> 
> 


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[H] OT: Awesome South Park tonight

[Brian Weeden]

They just did an awesome parody of World of Warcraft.  Must see for
anyone who has played the game.

--
Brian

Re: [H] Redownloading e-mails

[Thane Sherrington]

At 08:44 PM 04/10/2006, Scott Sipe wrote:


-- sample output for when I do this on my mindspring mail --

C:\>telnet pop.cap-press.com 110
+OK NGPopper vEL_6_10_5_1 at mindspring.com ready
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
USER cscotts
+OK
PASS secret
+OK cscotts has 22 messages (165369 octets).
retr 1
[blah blah blah message source]
dele 1
+OK
quit
+OK
C:\>


Now this is a very useful email.  Thanks Scott!

T 

Re: [H] Redownloading e-mails

[Anthony Q. Martin]

Wow.

Thanks, Scott.  I used your procedure to determine that I have only 8 
e-mails on the server for one of my accounts and, at the time, yours was 
the last one.  So, that means that the repeatedly downloaded messages 
weren't being stored on the server as there were deleted.


That got me to thinking. I use a spam blocker app named "SpamSubstract" 
by Intermute. They got bought by TrendMicro so SpamSubtract is no longer 
a living product.  Anyway, it sits between the PC and the pop server and 
blocks any e-mail that's from someone not approved by me to receive 
e-mails from. I have the hardware list mail set to automatically come 
through and any addresses that I deem as being from "friends" will be 
allowed through too. All others get blocked before they get to my pc (no 
spam, no virus).  I then inspect the list of others sitting in 
SpamSubtract and then can let any others I want come down.  I can then 
delete all others.  Well, the e-mails that would repeatedly get 
redownloaded were only ones I had let in previously, but never any from 
the hardware list, curiously.  All of the ones that were deleted from 
the server were indeed gone.  So, I got to looking around in the 
"Application Data" folder for SpamSubstract. I found a folder in there 
called "accounts" and within that folder I found two other folders for 
each email account. Inside each that I found "inbox", 'delete', and 
'hold' folders.  And inside those I found about a zillion files.  I 
opened a few in ultraedit and found that they are EMAIL files! Actually 
copies of all of my emails.  This damn app is caching all the e-mails I 
let through.  Every one. Even those I delete.  So, my theory now is that 
this app was simply uploading from my HD those files and sending them 
back into my e-mail program, since it's obviously in the loop, it can do 
that.  Probably some debug code left in from testing.  So, I just 
deleted the contents of those folders and things seem to have settled 
down.  I sent some test e-mails to myself to both accounts and watched 
an open folder as I downloaded the email. It landed as a file in the 
folder before my e-mail program got it.


I get a LOT of e-mails, too, with large files attached.

Curiously, I didn't cache any emails from a mailing list which were set 
to automatically come through.  That's why hardware list e-mails never 
get redownloaded...they hadn't been cached.


Talk about some crappy code writers!

I gotta make a decision now.

Thanks, guys.

Scott Sipe wrote:


On Oct 4, 2006, at 7:27 PM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:



 Thane Sherrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 07:04 PM 04/10/2006, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
>
>
> >>You probably have checked to leave your mail on the server.
> >>Change it to delete mail on server.
> >No, that's not it. These e-mails were supposed to be deleted forever
> >ago. They don't show up when I log in. I have that setting right
> >now, yet to login in long enough to see your message< I've got 900
> >e-mails downloaded again! I've deleted them 3 or 4 time
> >today. Funny thing, this will stop for several days and then start
> >up again. Today it's really bad.
> >
> >HELP
>
> So you you have two separate accounts doing the same thing? Have you
> tried going into webmail and deleting them there?

Yes. It happens on personal and work accounts, but only at home. I'm 
into webmail right now and only see a couple of e-mails, starting 
with sam's. Yet, if I open Thunderbird, it started downloading about 
1000 e-mails that go back to the beginning of this year. Obvious, 
this mail is on the server even though I don't see it in either 
webmail programs. I don't get it. Also, if I use OE or OUTLOOK at 
home, the same thing happens. So, it's independent of e-mail program.





I assume you're using POP? Are you using IMAP / Webmail and maybe 
getting folder contents moving back into your inbox?


You can also do a little snooping around with telnet...

if you're using POP telnet to your email server, port 110 (ie for me, 
"telnet pop.mindspring.com 110")


to login

USER username [enter]
PASS password [enter]

(you should get "+OK" after every command you enter)

then you can enter other commands

the command "LIST [enter]" will give a list of messages waiting to be 
downloaded, and give you the total number on the server. So you can 
see if there are just a bunch of random messages still sitting around 
on your server?


And then you can type "RETR x [enter]" where X is a number of a 
message to see the text of the message.


To delete a message you can type "DELE x" where X is the message number.

telnet has been pretty useful for me in the past as a way to manually 
debug what's going on with POP, email programs and servers...so many 
of them try to be too smart!!


-- sample output for when I do this on my mindspring mail --

C:\>telnet pop.cap-press.com 110
+OK NGPopper vEL_6_10_5_1 at mindspring.com ready 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

USER cscotts
+OK
PASS secret

Re: [H] Redownloading e-mails

[Gary VanderMolen]

> On my home PC, the same e-mails keep getting downloaded time and time 
> again.

You may want to turn on logging in OE:
Tools, Options, Maintenance, in the Troubleshooting
section select Mail. The next time OE connects to the
server, all commands between the client and server
are logged.

Gary VanderMolen

Re: [H] Redownloading e-mails

[Scott Sipe]

On Oct 4, 2006, at 7:27 PM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:



 Thane Sherrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 07:04 PM 04/10/2006, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
>
>
> >>You probably have checked to leave your mail on the server.
> >>Change it to delete mail on server.
> >No, that's not it. These e-mails were supposed to be deleted  
forever

> >ago. They don't show up when I log in. I have that setting right
> >now, yet to login in long enough to see your message< I've got 900
> >e-mails downloaded again! I've deleted them 3 or 4 time
> >today. Funny thing, this will stop for several days and then start
> >up again. Today it's really bad.
> >
> >HELP
>
> So you you have two separate accounts doing the same thing? Have you
> tried going into webmail and deleting them there?

Yes. It happens on personal and work accounts, but only at home.  
I'm into webmail right now and only see a couple of e-mails,  
starting with sam's. Yet, if I open Thunderbird, it started  
downloading about 1000 e-mails that go back to the beginning of  
this year. Obvious, this mail is on the server even though I don't  
see it in either webmail programs. I don't get it. Also, if I use  
OE or OUTLOOK at home, the same thing happens. So, it's independent  
of e-mail program.





I assume you're using POP? Are you using IMAP / Webmail and maybe  
getting folder contents moving back into your inbox?


You can also do a little snooping around with telnet...

if you're using POP telnet to your email server, port 110 (ie for me,  
"telnet pop.mindspring.com 110")


to login

USER username [enter]
PASS password [enter]

(you should get "+OK" after every command you enter)

then you can enter other commands

the command "LIST [enter]" will give a list of messages waiting to be  
downloaded, and give you the total number on the server. So you can  
see if there are just a bunch of random messages still sitting around  
on your server?


And then you can type "RETR x [enter]" where X is a number of a  
message to see the text of the message.


To delete a message you can type "DELE x" where X is the message number.

telnet has been pretty useful for me in the past as a way to manually  
debug what's going on with POP, email programs and servers...so many  
of them try to be too smart!!


-- sample output for when I do this on my mindspring mail --

C:\>telnet pop.cap-press.com 110
+OK NGPopper vEL_6_10_5_1 at mindspring.com ready  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

USER cscotts
+OK
PASS secret
+OK cscotts has 22 messages (165369 octets).
retr 1
[blah blah blah message source]
dele 1
+OK
quit
+OK
C:\>

--

Scott

Re: [H] Redownloading e-mails

[Anthony Q. Martin]

  
  

  

 Thane Sherrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> At 07:04 
PM 04/10/2006, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:>>> >>You 
probably have checked to leave your mail on the server.> >>Change 
it to delete mail on server.> >No, that's not it. These e-mails 
were supposed to be deleted forever> >ago. They don't show up when 
I log in. I have that setting right> >now, yet to login in long 
enough to see your message< I've got 900> >e-mails downloaded 
again! I've deleted them 3 or 4 time> >today. Funny thing, this 
will stop for several days and then start> >up again. Today it's 
really bad.> >> >HELP>> So 
you you have two separate accounts doing the same thing? Have you> 
tried going into webmail and deleting them there?
  
  
Yes. It happens on personal and work accounts, but only at home. I'm 
into webmail right now and only see a couple of e-mails, starting with 
sam's. Yet, if I open Thunderbird, it started downloading about 1000 
e-mails that go back to the beginning of this year. Obvious, this mail 
is on the server even though I don't see it in either webmail 
programs. I don't get it. Also, if I use OE or OUTLOOK at home, the 
same thing happens. So, it's independent of e-mail program.
  

  

Re: [H] Nero 7.x update...

[FORC5]

funny thing is the fix is the update, dl manually from nero.
I think when mine did this my anti spyware and or firewall was messing with it.

fp

At 03:29 PM 10/4/2006, Bobby Heid Poked the stick with:

>Hi, 
>
>I have tried several times to use the Nero Product Setup link from the main 
>form.  It gets to the 2nd item (I think it is called Checking engine or 
>something like that) and the blue bar goes a little ways and then the form 
>just disappears.
>
>Is this happening to any one else?  Anyone have any ideas as to how to fix it? 
>
>Thanks, 
>Bobby 

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[H] Nero 7.x update...

[Bobby Heid]

Title: Nero 7.x update...






Hi,


I have tried several times to use the Nero Product Setup link from the main form.  It gets to the 2nd item (I think it is called Checking engine or something like that) and the blue bar goes a little ways and then the form just disappears.

Is this happening to any one else?  Anyone have any ideas as to how to fix it?


Thanks,

Bobby

Re: [H] Redownloading e-mails

[Thane Sherrington]

At 07:04 PM 04/10/2006, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:



You probably have checked to leave your mail on the server.
Change it to delete mail on server.
No, that's not it. These e-mails were supposed to be deleted forever 
ago. They don't show up when I log in.  I have that setting right 
now, yet to login in long enough to see your message< I've got 900 
e-mails downloaded again!  I've deleted them 3 or 4 time 
today.  Funny thing, this will stop for several days and then start 
up again.  Today it's really bad.


HELP


So you you have two separate accounts doing the same thing?  Have you 
tried going into webmail and deleting them there?


T 

Re: [H] Redownloading e-mails

[Anthony Q. Martin]

Sam Franc wrote:

Anthony Q. Martin wrote:

Guys,
On my home PC, the same e-mails keep getting downloaded time and time 
again. That's both home e-mail (personal account) and work email.  It 
doesn't happen at work (OE). But it happens at home no matter if I'm 
using OE, Thunderbird, or Outlook.  It's driving me nuts, as it goes 
back to the first of the year!  Just in the last 10 minutes, it's 
downloaded 100s over e-mails twice.  I've got to find a solution for 
this or i'll be forced to only use webmail at home.


Thanks.



You probably have checked to leave your mail on the server.
Change it to delete mail on server.

No, that's not it. These e-mails were supposed to be deleted forever 
ago. They don't show up when I log in.  I have that setting right now, 
yet to login in long enough to see your message< I've got 900 e-mails 
downloaded again!  I've deleted them 3 or 4 time today.  Funny thing, 
this will stop for several days and then start up again.  Today it's 
really bad.


HELP

Re: [H] Redownloading e-mails

[Sam Franc]

Anthony Q. Martin wrote:

Guys,
On my home PC, the same e-mails keep getting downloaded time and time 
again. That's both home e-mail (personal account) and work email.  It 
doesn't happen at work (OE). But it happens at home no matter if I'm 
using OE, Thunderbird, or Outlook.  It's driving me nuts, as it goes 
back to the first of the year!  Just in the last 10 minutes, it's 
downloaded 100s over e-mails twice.  I've got to find a solution for 
this or i'll be forced to only use webmail at home.


Thanks.



You probably have checked to leave your mail on the server.
Change it to delete mail on server.
Sam

RE: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [H] AVG free edition

[FORC5]

not of me, that would be grounds for boot >:-}
fp

At 05:32 AM 10/4/2006, Wayne Johnson Poked the stick with:
>At 07:50 AM 10/4/2006, Bobby Heid typed:
>>And you're not going to share?  LOL.
>
>Maybe Fred thought if we saw the pics we'd have him booted from the list. ;-)
>
>
>  --+--
>   Wayne D. Johnson
>Ashland, OH, USA 44805
> 

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[H] Redownloading e-mails

[Anthony Q. Martin]

Guys,
On my home PC, the same e-mails keep getting downloaded time and time 
again. That's both home e-mail (personal account) and work email.  It 
doesn't happen at work (OE). But it happens at home no matter if I'm 
using OE, Thunderbird, or Outlook.  It's driving me nuts, as it goes 
back to the first of the year!  Just in the last 10 minutes, it's 
downloaded 100s over e-mails twice.  I've got to find a solution for 
this or i'll be forced to only use webmail at home.


Thanks.

RE: [H] iMac arrived today...

[Winterlight]

editing, etc. I used to make that same argument all the time but I
personally cant think of anything that I use that can't be done on a
mac.


It is not personal home use applications that limit Apple. It is the 
thousands of proprietary business applications. Software for dentists, 
software for Vets, for real estate brokers, for hair salons, service 
stations, grocery stores, you name it.  These are expensive, 
proprietary software that you are never going to find for Apple, or Linux 
for that matter. Maybe you can run it on top of a Apple, or dual boot, but 
what business is going to do that. A business will load up their business 
software in the morning, and use it all day, rarely loading anything else. 
I don't see this changing.

RE: [H] iMac arrived today...

[Mesdaq, Ali]

Really? When looking at the API it looked super simple and very
flexible. What exactly do you want to do? A map of directions you
traveled? Or a dot of places you were? I would create different ones for
different purposes. You could probably pretty easily write a trip
selection thing so that it just maps your trips for you.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Ruset
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:43 AM
To: The Hardware List
Subject: Re: [H] iMac arrived today...

It's kind of a bitch to get Google Maps working with topo maps, which 
are the most important thing for me.

Mesdaq, Ali wrote:
> Oh that's really cool. If it were me I would dump to xml then just
> create a webpage with google's api and write a little script to import
> and superimpose onto google map. That way its platform independent.
But
> that's cool that your gps can do that.

Re: [H] iMac arrived today...

[Ben Ruset]

It's kind of a bitch to get Google Maps working with topo maps, which 
are the most important thing for me.


Mesdaq, Ali wrote:

Oh that's really cool. If it were me I would dump to xml then just
create a webpage with google's api and write a little script to import
and superimpose onto google map. That way its platform independent. But
that's cool that your gps can do that.

RE: [H] iMac arrived today...

[Mesdaq, Ali]

Oh that's really cool. If it were me I would dump to xml then just
create a webpage with google's api and write a little script to import
and superimpose onto google map. That way its platform independent. But
that's cool that your gps can do that.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Ruset
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 8:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [H] iMac arrived today...

Well, GPS as in "let me connect my Garmin GPS to my computer and 
download all of my waypoints and tracks, superimpose them on a topo map 
or satellite photos, etc."

Something like what I can do with USA Photomaps.

Mesdaq, Ali wrote:
> GPS as in the navigation? Or am I wa off on that?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Ruset
> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:53 AM
> To: The Hardware List
> Subject: Re: [H] iMac arrived today...
> 
> GPS apps are lacking for Mac's. That's about the only thing I think I 
> would miss.
> 
> Mesdaq, Ali wrote:
>> Well let me take a shot at answering your question. 
>> Why would I buy OSX to run on my PC when there are a million Windows
>> apps out there that won't run on it?
>>
>> Although I don't own a mac I would say that there are enough
>> applications that do the same thing on macs as they do on windows.
>> Email, web browsing, games, office productivity, graphics, video
>> editing, etc. I used to make that same argument all the time but I
>> personally cant think of anything that I use that can't be done on a
>> mac. I don't play many games and I am aware it is lacking full
support
>> there. But can you name a few type of apps that are not available on
>> macs?
> 
> 

Re: [H] iMac arrived today...

[Ben Ruset]

Well, GPS as in "let me connect my Garmin GPS to my computer and 
download all of my waypoints and tracks, superimpose them on a topo map 
or satellite photos, etc."


Something like what I can do with USA Photomaps.

Mesdaq, Ali wrote:

GPS as in the navigation? Or am I wa off on that?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Ruset
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [H] iMac arrived today...

GPS apps are lacking for Mac's. That's about the only thing I think I 
would miss.


Mesdaq, Ali wrote:
Well let me take a shot at answering your question. 
Why would I buy OSX to run on my PC when there are a million Windows

apps out there that won't run on it?

Although I don't own a mac I would say that there are enough
applications that do the same thing on macs as they do on windows.
Email, web browsing, games, office productivity, graphics, video
editing, etc. I used to make that same argument all the time but I
personally cant think of anything that I use that can't be done on a
mac. I don't play many games and I am aware it is lacking full support
there. But can you name a few type of apps that are not available on
macs?

RE: [H] iMac arrived today...

[Mesdaq, Ali]

GPS as in the navigation? Or am I wa off on that?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Ruset
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:53 AM
To: The Hardware List
Subject: Re: [H] iMac arrived today...

GPS apps are lacking for Mac's. That's about the only thing I think I 
would miss.

Mesdaq, Ali wrote:
> Well let me take a shot at answering your question. 
> Why would I buy OSX to run on my PC when there are a million Windows
> apps out there that won't run on it?
> 
> Although I don't own a mac I would say that there are enough
> applications that do the same thing on macs as they do on windows.
> Email, web browsing, games, office productivity, graphics, video
> editing, etc. I used to make that same argument all the time but I
> personally cant think of anything that I use that can't be done on a
> mac. I don't play many games and I am aware it is lacking full support
> there. But can you name a few type of apps that are not available on
> macs?

Re: [H] iMac arrived today...

[Ben Ruset]

GPS apps are lacking for Mac's. That's about the only thing I think I 
would miss.


Mesdaq, Ali wrote:
Well let me take a shot at answering your question. 
Why would I buy OSX to run on my PC when there are a million Windows

apps out there that won't run on it?

Although I don't own a mac I would say that there are enough
applications that do the same thing on macs as they do on windows.
Email, web browsing, games, office productivity, graphics, video
editing, etc. I used to make that same argument all the time but I
personally cant think of anything that I use that can't be done on a
mac. I don't play many games and I am aware it is lacking full support
there. But can you name a few type of apps that are not available on
macs?

RE: [H] iMac arrived today...

[Mesdaq, Ali]

Well let me take a shot at answering your question. 
Why would I buy OSX to run on my PC when there are a million Windows
apps out there that won't run on it?

Although I don't own a mac I would say that there are enough
applications that do the same thing on macs as they do on windows.
Email, web browsing, games, office productivity, graphics, video
editing, etc. I used to make that same argument all the time but I
personally cant think of anything that I use that can't be done on a
mac. I don't play many games and I am aware it is lacking full support
there. But can you name a few type of apps that are not available on
macs?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stan Zaske
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:28 PM
To: The Hardware List
Subject: Re: [H] iMac arrived today...

That's a crap answer Bryan (lol) and you know it! Instead of showing 
your bias why not answer my ? instead. You can't argue with market share

Einstein! ;-)


Bryan Seitz wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 11:42:43PM -0500, Stan Zaske wrote:
>   
>> I don't get it! Why would I buy OSX to run on my PC when there are a 
>> million Windows apps out there that won't run on it? Am I missing 
>> something here? Do Window's apps run on OSX?
>> 
>
> Cause windows is a giant flaming turd that has been shined up 
> over the years.  It's still a turd.
>
>   

Re: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [H] AVG free edition

[tmservo]

Unless they offer :)

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-Original Message-
From: FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 07:00:30 
To:[EMAIL PROTECTED], The Hardware List 
Subject: RE: [SPAM SUSPECT]  Re: [H] AVG free edition

did not think it would be ethical to keep copies, just me I guess.
fp

At 04:50 AM 10/4/2006, Bobby Heid Poked the stick with:
>And you're not going to share?  LOL.
>
>Bobby
>
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>Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 5:19 PM
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>Subject: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [H] AVG free edition
>Importance: Low
>
>
>Works is a light version of office that vendors installed free.
>
>You think you seen weird stuff, had a gal drop off a box with FULL MONTI
>jpgs of herself linked to the desktop. wahooo  :-[
>Fp

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RE: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [H] AVG free edition

[FORC5]

did not think it would be ethical to keep copies, just me I guess.
fp

At 04:50 AM 10/4/2006, Bobby Heid Poked the stick with:
>And you're not going to share?  LOL.
>
>Bobby
>
>-Original Message-
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>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of FORC5
>Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 5:19 PM
>To: The Hardware List
>Subject: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [H] AVG free edition
>Importance: Low
>
>
>Works is a light version of office that vendors installed free.
>
>You think you seen weird stuff, had a gal drop off a box with FULL MONTI
>jpgs of herself linked to the desktop. wahooo  :-[
>Fp

-- 
Tallyho ! ]:8)
Taglines below !
--
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RE: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [H] AVG free edition

[Bobby Heid]

And you're not going to share?  LOL.

Bobby

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Importance: Low


Works is a light version of office that vendors installed free.

You think you seen weird stuff, had a gal drop off a box with FULL MONTI
jpgs of herself linked to the desktop. wahooo  :-[
Fp