RE: [H] Nero 7.x update...
Ahhh, thanks. I'll try it when I get home. Bobby -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of FORC5 Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Nero 7.x update... funny thing is the fix is the update, dl manually from nero. I think when mine did this my anti spyware and or firewall was messing with it. fp At 03:29 PM 10/4/2006, Bobby Heid Poked the stick with: Hi, I have tried several times to use the Nero Product Setup link from the main form. It gets to the 2nd item (I think it is called Checking engine or something like that) and the blue bar goes a little ways and then the form just disappears. Is this happening to any one else? Anyone have any ideas as to how to fix it? Thanks, Bobby -- Tallyho ! ]:8)
Re: [H] High CPU on Explorer.exe and TaskMgr.exe
Hi, look at: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;815349 http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;280802 http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;328885 I don't know which system do you have but this is usable for Windows 2000 and XP too. These 3 files should have the same size: C:\WINNT\system32\dllcache\services.exe C:\WINNT\system32\SERVICES.EXE C:\WINNT\ServicePackFiles\i386\services.exe CBL
[H] MS gets serious about activation
http://www.crncanada.ca/content/systems/microsoft-to-impose-windo.shtml Here's the part I like: Beginning with Windows XP, Microsoft instituted a System-Locked Preinstallation System. The new OEM Activation process that kicks off with Vista improves upon that by ensuring that Windows Vista SKUs licensed to an OEM function only on that OEM's hardware. But this means customers and their system builders and solution providers must maintain recovery media for each OEM's system configuration. That's fair. MS makes most of the money on a Windows OS sale, yet offloads more and more of the work to it's so called partners. Don't they understand that if they make it painful enough to sell Windows, they'll force resellers to sell Linux and OSX? T
Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation
your point ? :-} must be working, they are. I would like to know what Dell and others pay per year for unlimited installs, I'm positive they do not pay per unit. fp At 10:18 AM 10/5/2006, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with: Yeah, MS is getting rich on the $10-20 it charges Dell for that OEM cd key. Thane Sherrington wrote: That's fair. MS makes most of the money on a Windows OS sale, yet offloads more and more of the work to it's so called partners. Don't they understand that if they make it painful enough to sell Windows, they'll force resellers to sell Linux and OSX? -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- If you bow at all, bow low.
Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation
Thane Sherrington wrote: :: http://www.crncanada.ca/content/systems/microsoft-to-impose-windo.shtml :: :: Here's the part I like: :: :: Beginning with Windows XP, Microsoft instituted :: a System-Locked Preinstallation System. The new :: OEM Activation process that kicks off with Vista :: improves upon that by ensuring that Windows Vista :: SKUs licensed to an OEM function only on that OEM's hardware. :: But this means customers - and their system :: builders and solution providers - must maintain :: recovery media for each OEM's system configuration. :: :: That's fair. MS makes most of the money on a :: Windows OS sale, yet offloads more and more of :: the work to it's so called partners. Don't :: they understand that if they make it painful :: enough to sell Windows, they'll force resellers to sell Linux and :: OSX? No, because there won't be many customers.
Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation
I kinda think this sucks, though. If I bought an OEM computer and I decide to trash it, I feel as though I ought to be able to use the OS on a new system. Is that unfair to MS? Thane Sherrington wrote: :: http://www.crncanada.ca/content/systems/microsoft-to-impose-windo.shtml :: :: Here's the part I like: :: :: Beginning with Windows XP, Microsoft instituted :: a System-Locked Preinstallation System. The new :: OEM Activation process that kicks off with Vista :: improves upon that by ensuring that Windows Vista :: SKUs licensed to an OEM function only on that OEM's hardware. :: But this means customers - and their system :: builders and solution providers - must maintain :: recovery media for each OEM's system configuration. :: :: That's fair. MS makes most of the money on a :: Windows OS sale, yet offloads more and more of :: the work to it's so called partners. Don't :: they understand that if they make it painful :: enough to sell Windows, they'll force resellers to sell Linux and :: OSX? :: :: T
Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation
At 12:09 10/5/2006, Thane Sherrington wrote: http://www.crncanada.ca/content/systems/microsoft-to-impose-windo.shtml Here's the part I like: Beginning with Windows XP, Microsoft instituted a System-Locked Preinstallation System. The new OEM Activation process that kicks off with Vista improves upon that by ensuring that Windows Vista SKUs licensed to an OEM function only on that OEM's hardware. But this means customers and their system builders and solution providers must maintain recovery media for each OEM's system configuration. That's fair. MS makes most of the money on a Windows OS sale, yet offloads more and more of the work to it's so called partners. Don't they understand that if they make it painful enough to sell Windows, they'll force resellers to sell Linux and OSX? As the Unixes and their GUIs get better, it becomes a no brainer: Do I pay $100 or not? Start Here to Find It Fast! - http://www.US-Webmasters.com/best-start-page/ $8.77 Domain Names - http://domains.us-webmasters.com/
[H] Rebooting issue...
I have to go over to a friends house this evening where the pc keeps rebooting. I'm pretty sure it's XP home. Can someone give me some pointers as to what I should be looking for to correct the problem? Thanks, Bobby
RE: [H] Rebooting issue...
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 12:23 PM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: [H] Rebooting issue... I have to go over to a friends house this evening where the pc keeps rebooting. I'm pretty sure it's XP home. Can someone give me some pointers as to what I should be looking for to correct the problem? Thanks, Bobby Could be a number of things.. Have you run a Virus scan? This sounds like the MSBLAST Worm from a few years back... Bill
Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation
Why should you? You didn't pay retail price for that copy of XP. It's sold at a discount and tied to the hardware. And the hardware vendor is the person who has to support the OS, not Microsoft. You want to shift your OS around to new PC's? Spend the $199 and buy the boxed copy of XP. Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I kinda think this sucks, though. If I bought an OEM computer and I decide to trash it, I feel as though I ought to be able to use the OS on a new system. Is that unfair to MS?
Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation
Microsoft's big moneymaker is Office. They also make a good margin on SQL, Exchange, etc. The desktop market is a drop in the bucket compared to their server side stuff. I have no doubt that in 5 years, after Linux and OSX become more prevalent in the market, that Microsoft will make Windows shared/open source. FORC5 wrote: your point ? :-} must be working, they are. I would like to know what Dell and others pay per year for unlimited installs, I'm positive they do not pay per unit. fp At 10:18 AM 10/5/2006, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with: Yeah, MS is getting rich on the $10-20 it charges Dell for that OEM cd key. Thane Sherrington wrote: That's fair. MS makes most of the money on a Windows OS sale, yet offloads more and more of the work to it's so called partners. Don't they understand that if they make it painful enough to sell Windows, they'll force resellers to sell Linux and OSX?
Re: [H] Rebooting issue...
Agreed. Also if set to - the system will reboot on crashes. Goto system properties - advanced - (startup and recovery) settings Bill wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 12:23 PM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: [H] Rebooting issue... I have to go over to a friends house this evening where the pc keeps rebooting. I'm pretty sure it's XP home. Can someone give me some pointers as to what I should be looking for to correct the problem? Thanks, Bobby Could be a number of things.. Have you run a Virus scan? This sounds like the MSBLAST Worm from a few years back... Bill -- Cheers, joeuser (still looking for the 'any' key)
Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation
I highly doubt that MS will ever make Windows open source. Although they have had to release part of the source b/c of court obligations, I doubt they will do it willingly. It would allow the virus/spyware makers to go nuts and would make it VERY easy for projects like WINE to emulate every part of Windows (instead of the 80% it is at right now). Just my .02$ though ;) _ Julian Zottl CTO, Radiant Network Technology, LLC Getting ahead in the tech sector isn't about kissing butt ... you gotta sniff the right packets -- Original Message -- From: Ben Ruset [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:10:33 -0400 Microsoft's big moneymaker is Office. They also make a good margin on SQL, Exchange, etc. The desktop market is a drop in the bucket compared to their server side stuff. I have no doubt that in 5 years, after Linux and OSX become more prevalent in the market, that Microsoft will make Windows shared/open source. FORC5 wrote: your point ? :-} must be working, they are. I would like to know what Dell and others pay per year for unlimited installs, I'm positive they do not pay per unit. fp At 10:18 AM 10/5/2006, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with: Yeah, MS is getting rich on the $10-20 it charges Dell for that OEM cd key. Thane Sherrington wrote: That's fair. MS makes most of the money on a Windows OS sale, yet offloads more and more of the work to it's so called partners. Don't they understand that if they make it painful enough to sell Windows, they'll force resellers to sell Linux and OSX?
Re: [H] iMac arrived today...
I can't stand to listen to either of those bought and paid for idiots, but thank god there were transcripts. I downloaded and installed parallels - wow - awesome. I summarily dismissed the XP partition and life is GREAT! Parallels runs fast and without hiccups or issues*. *If you download the package of the front page it will not work but if you download the RC2 it works great. What a cinch to install and operate. Lovely! Boot camp (dual boot OSX and WinXP) WARNINGS This is beta software and it shows. I had to install USB keyboard and mouse which negates the wireless iMac stuff (bleh) while things worked ok it was still a pain in the ass. Also holding the option button at startup (which is supposed to allow you to choose the OS) didn't work for me. So I had to direct it from the current OS - it sucked. Having used Parallels - I would not ever go back to Boot Camp. A couple of bumps along the road but still loving this iMac. Thanks for the info Brian, appreciate it. Next question... AV software? I read viruses and malware no issues right now but I am sure I read there were some viruses out there... Suggestions? Brian Weeden wrote: Take a listen to this podcast where they talk about how to setup Parallels so you can run Windows apps on your Mac without dualbooting: http://www.twit.tv/node/4548 On 9/30/06, joeuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One word... WOW! iMac, 20-inch, Intel Core 2 Duo 2.16GHz Intel Core 2 Duo iWork '06 preinstalled 250GB Serial ATA Drive SuperDrive 8X (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW) Apple Wireless Keyboard wireless Mighty Mouse + Mac OS X (US English) ATI Radeon X1600/256MB VRAM 2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB I cannot believe how sharp and vibrant the image is. Some things I noticed... Setup: What a cinch. Answer a few questions... simple stuff. Done. Everything worked. I didn't have to install or remove jack. VERY friendly. Very sexy. I took the old family pc which was salvaged Gateway mini case (tall but not as deep) and 17in CRT and put it in the boy's room. Looks so sleek. If I was using wireless I would have only one line connected to it - power. Speaking of, the power cord was soft, flexible and flat angle. Setting easily located. Firewall off by default though... not sure if that's bad or not. INet sharing through the wireless was on? Maybe I misunderstood it, but I turned it off. Heavy into the .Mac jazz but not forced down your throat. Mouse is different - it is a button basically. Has a little gray rubber ball to scroll with. It's very nice and I am quite happy. I can see I will be an Apple fan. -- Cheers, joeuser (still looking for the 'any' key) -- Cheers, joeuser (still looking for the 'any' key)
Re: [H] High CPU on Explorer.exe and TaskMgr.exe
I had this recently, forced me to reinstall since I could not track it down. Basically Services.exes which hosts PnP Event Log had the system at least 20% busy all the time and the idle thread was never running. Fire up an app and 100% CPU, the video crawled, etc... No malware/virus that I could find but I took no chances, than odd you have Thane Sherrington wrote: At 11:55 PM 04/10/2006, j maccraw wrote: If you use SI's (now M$) process explorer you can track down the thread/dll that is eating the cpu cycles WITHIN the process try to diagnose from there. It's services.exe that's chewing up the majority of the time. I've tried the following: Boot to safe mode - no change Boot to MS Config Diagnostic Boot - no change (only one service is running here.) Updated the following drivers: video, sound, network, chipset - no change Deleted the following components and rebooted to reinstall: IDE controller, video, sound, network, CPU - no change Tried Windows repair install - no change. I don't understand process explorer well enough to use it proficiently, unfortunately. Does anyone have a link to a tutorial on it? I know there is a video training course from SI, but I'm trying to avoid the $300 charge. :) T __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [H] High CPU on Explorer.exe and TaskMgr.exe
Two thoughts on this.. Malware is a definite possibility.. I'd run HiJackThis! to see what's loading.. Secondly any strange USB devices? Bill
Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation
How are you the OEM? What equipment are you a manufacturer of? Assembling a computer now and then does not make you an OEM. Unfair or not, thats how it is. That's why there are plenty of alternatives to Windows out there. FORC5 wrote: actually if I buy a OEM copy and build a system and then later decide to destroy that system and build another the OEM SW is fine cause I am the OEM. it is not tied to the HW like dell and hp and the like is, try to install theirs on other hw and it balks. I have gotten away fixing broke machines by replacing the mb with as close a clone match as possible and things work, usually will activate with COA ( once ) but technically a no no. Still is very un fare practice. IMO fp At 02:22 PM 10/5/2006, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with: Take it up with Microsoft's lawyers. They say it's tied to the hardware. You either deal with the license or you use Linux/BSD. The idea is that you buy the OS at a steep discount versus the retail copy. If the retail copy offers no benefit to the end user versus the 90 days (or whatever) support, why bother having two lines? Anthony Q. Martin wrote: why? I bought a copy with a PC...my hardware, I own it. I don't need vendor support after i know the system works. why should anything be tied to hardware and what makes hardware unique? Do we now consider a PC to be a disposable unit...don't fix it, change it, or upgrade itjust toss it out (OS and all) and get a new one?
Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation
The idea is that you bought a system replete with OS and installed hardware. I can take out any item of hardware from the system and use it elsewhere. Why not the OS, as long as I'm not using it twice? It's like a book, I can use it anywhere I want, but I can't copy it and use it at the same time in two locations. And, who in the world will even know? The retail copy has the advantage that you don't need to pay for any other hardware to get it. Hence, the distinction is very clear. All of my OEM windows provide a license to use that copy one one computer. If the legal BS says it can only be used on that one PC, then that ought to be illegal. It's likely unenforceable anyhow. The fact that I get it cheaper because I bought a full system is simply an aid to move systems and to move MSs OS. Hence, from an economical POV, it's to MSs advantage to do so. No shelf space need for a copy of an OS that goes out the door on an OEM machine. Ben Ruset wrote: Take it up with Microsoft's lawyers. They say it's tied to the hardware. You either deal with the license or you use Linux/BSD. The idea is that you buy the OS at a steep discount versus the retail copy. If the retail copy offers no benefit to the end user versus the 90 days (or whatever) support, why bother having two lines? Anthony Q. Martin wrote: why? I bought a copy with a PC...my hardware, I own it. I don't need vendor support after i know the system works. why should anything be tied to hardware and what makes hardware unique? Do we now consider a PC to be a disposable unit...don't fix it, change it, or upgrade itjust toss it out (OS and all) and get a new one?
Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation
I own a license, not the software. I'm talking about executing my right to that copy of Windows. I think that my rights to use it should be limited, but to tie it to hardware is fundamentally wrong unless you start selling closed systems that are meant to be disposable. FORC5 wrote: unfortunately you do NOT own it. sad state that has been created. IMO I agree one should own what he buys but that is not the case with SW. fp At 02:11 PM 10/5/2006, Anthony Q. Martin Poked the stick with: why? I bought a copy with a PC...my hardware, I own it. I don't need vendor support after i know the system works. why should anything be tied to hardware and what makes hardware unique? Do we now consider a PC to be a disposable unit...don't fix it, change it, or upgrade itjust toss it out (OS and all) and get a new one? Ben Ruset wrote: Why should you? You didn't pay retail price for that copy of XP. It's sold at a discount and tied to the hardware. And the hardware vendor is the person who has to support the OS, not Microsoft. You want to shift your OS around to new PC's? Spend the $199 and buy the boxed copy of XP. Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I kinda think this sucks, though. If I bought an OEM computer and I decide to trash it, I feel as though I ought to be able to use the OS on a new system. Is that unfair to MS?
Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation
You forgot that it totally screws someone from using they purchased system as they wish, how they wish! I guess MS doesn't care about that, though. This is MS treating the buying public as total idiots (not saying that many aren't). I've bought store PC and I don't feel I need a repair help unless something just dies before it's time and I want to collect on a warranty. Software issues I'd rather deal with on my own. Well, the good news is that MS's day is coming to an end CW wrote: They talked about this at a recent TS2 in the QA. This is the way I understand the new method: Shop A builds PCs, and they run Sysprep on them before they ship (obviously) so that the customer puts in the key, etc. When Sysprep runs, it requires a shop key, which stays universal, it's not a Windows key, it just identifies the partner. If that user needs to get a major hardware change (warranty) it needs to be done by that shop, as if it goes anywhere else, they won't have the matching partner key. So, when something goes wrong with HP, HP or an HP Authorized shop can get the matching key, and do the repair. But otherwise, any repair would require a completely new licence because the key will not match the partner ID key which is rquired during the install. MS's argument basically boils down to: hey, it helps your shop in that you know people will come back, and it protects us against piracy and shops doing work while stealing your software for nothing, making their build cost less. On the other hand, it means that a lot of small shops will be in deep s*( if they get asked to do any real work on say a tier-1 vendor (ala HP, etc.). The argument is: hey, it will help you sell an all new machine. Maybe, but it might just as easily piss off people that it's harder to get work done. -Original message- From: Anthony Q. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:13:46 -0500 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation why? I bought a copy with a PC...my hardware, I own it. I don't need vendor support after i know the system works. why should anything be tied to hardware and what makes hardware unique? Do we now consider a PC to be a disposable unit...don't fix it, change it, or upgrade itjust toss it out (OS and all) and get a new one? Ben Ruset wrote: Why should you? You didn't pay retail price for that copy of XP. It's sold at a discount and tied to the hardware. And the hardware vendor is the person who has to support the OS, not Microsoft. You want to shift your OS around to new PC's? Spend the $199 and buy the boxed copy of XP. Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I kinda think this sucks, though. If I bought an OEM computer and I decide to trash it, I feel as though I ought to be able to use the OS on a new system. Is that unfair to MS?
Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation
Gas ought to be cheaper than the $2.25 that I paid this morning. There ought to be less Starbucks in the world. People ought to be nicer to each other. *shrug* The retail copy has the advantage that you can move it to another system if you need. Unenforcable? You think Microsoft - with all of their money - would draft a license agreement that wouldn't hold up in court? Also, Microsoft doesn't care about shelf space. That's the retailers problem. Anthony Q. Martin wrote: The idea is that you bought a system replete with OS and installed hardware. I can take out any item of hardware from the system and use it elsewhere. Why not the OS, as long as I'm not using it twice? It's like a book, I can use it anywhere I want, but I can't copy it and use it at the same time in two locations. And, who in the world will even know? The retail copy has the advantage that you don't need to pay for any other hardware to get it. Hence, the distinction is very clear. All of my OEM windows provide a license to use that copy one one computer. If the legal BS says it can only be used on that one PC, then that ought to be illegal. It's likely unenforceable anyhow. The fact that I get it cheaper because I bought a full system is simply an aid to move systems and to move MSs OS. Hence, from an economical POV, it's to MSs advantage to do so. No shelf space need for a copy of an OS that goes out the door on an OEM machine.
Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation
there is the real world and there is legal mumbo jumbo. Guess which rules? :) Ben Ruset wrote: How are you the OEM? What equipment are you a manufacturer of? Assembling a computer now and then does not make you an OEM. Unfair or not, thats how it is. That's why there are plenty of alternatives to Windows out there. FORC5 wrote: actually if I buy a OEM copy and build a system and then later decide to destroy that system and build another the OEM SW is fine cause I am the OEM. it is not tied to the HW like dell and hp and the like is, try to install theirs on other hw and it balks. I have gotten away fixing broke machines by replacing the mb with as close a clone match as possible and things work, usually will activate with COA ( once ) but technically a no no. Still is very un fare practice. IMO fp At 02:22 PM 10/5/2006, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with: Take it up with Microsoft's lawyers. They say it's tied to the hardware. You either deal with the license or you use Linux/BSD. The idea is that you buy the OS at a steep discount versus the retail copy. If the retail copy offers no benefit to the end user versus the 90 days (or whatever) support, why bother having two lines? Anthony Q. Martin wrote: why? I bought a copy with a PC...my hardware, I own it. I don't need vendor support after i know the system works. why should anything be tied to hardware and what makes hardware unique? Do we now consider a PC to be a disposable unit...don't fix it, change it, or upgrade itjust toss it out (OS and all) and get a new one?
Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation
Then buy the retail version that does not have that limitation. Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I own a license, not the software. I'm talking about executing my right to that copy of Windows. I think that my rights to use it should be limited, but to tie it to hardware is fundamentally wrong unless you start selling closed systems that are meant to be disposable.
Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation
Yeah, because you - or anybody else on this list - is a good representation of the computer buying public as a whole. Anthony Q. Martin wrote: You forgot that it totally screws someone from using they purchased system as they wish, how they wish! I guess MS doesn't care about that, though. This is MS treating the buying public as total idiots (not saying that many aren't). I've bought store PC and I don't feel I need a repair help unless something just dies before it's time and I want to collect on a warranty. Software issues I'd rather deal with on my own. Well, the good news is that MS's day is coming to an end Hey, I am selling my Dell laptop to buy a Macbook.
Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation
Judging by the number of lawyers in this world. :) Anthony Q. Martin wrote: there is the real world and there is legal mumbo jumbo. Guess which rules? :)
Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation
my business license would disagree with you, when I build systems for customers I am a OEM, small time maybe but OEM non the less. fp At 02:43 PM 10/5/2006, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with: How are you the OEM? What equipment are you a manufacturer of? Assembling a computer now and then does not make you an OEM. Unfair or not, thats how it is. That's why there are plenty of alternatives to Windows out there. FORC5 wrote: actually if I buy a OEM copy and build a system and then later decide to destroy that system and build another the OEM SW is fine cause I am the OEM. it is not tied to the HW like dell and hp and the like is, try to install theirs on other hw and it balks. I have gotten away fixing broke machines by replacing the mb with as close a clone match as possible and things work, usually will activate with COA ( once ) but technically a no no. Still is very un fare practice. IMO fp At 02:22 PM 10/5/2006, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with: Take it up with Microsoft's lawyers. They say it's tied to the hardware. You either deal with the license or you use Linux/BSD. The idea is that you buy the OS at a steep discount versus the retail copy. If the retail copy offers no benefit to the end user versus the 90 days (or whatever) support, why bother having two lines? Anthony Q. Martin wrote: why? I bought a copy with a PC...my hardware, I own it. I don't need vendor support after i know the system works. why should anything be tied to hardware and what makes hardware unique? Do we now consider a PC to be a disposable unit...don't fix it, change it, or upgrade itjust toss it out (OS and all) and get a new one? -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- A plucked goose doesn`t lay golden eggs.
Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation
Ben Ruset wrote: Gas ought to be cheaper than the $2.25 that I paid this morning. It ishere. $1.98 There ought to be less Starbucks in the world. Yes. People ought to be nicer to each other. Yes. *shrug* *shrug*, *shrug* The retail copy has the advantage that you can move it to another system if you need. Unenforcable? You think Microsoft - with all of their money - would draft a license agreement that wouldn't hold up in court? Sure. Also, Microsoft doesn't care about shelf space. That's the retailers problem. In the end, they care. If they don't get any, they don't generate sales. Anthony Q. Martin wrote: The idea is that you bought a system replete with OS and installed hardware. I can take out any item of hardware from the system and use it elsewhere. Why not the OS, as long as I'm not using it twice? It's like a book, I can use it anywhere I want, but I can't copy it and use it at the same time in two locations. And, who in the world will even know? The retail copy has the advantage that you don't need to pay for any other hardware to get it. Hence, the distinction is very clear. All of my OEM windows provide a license to use that copy one one computer. If the legal BS says it can only be used on that one PC, then that ought to be illegal. It's likely unenforceable anyhow. The fact that I get it cheaper because I bought a full system is simply an aid to move systems and to move MSs OS. Hence, from an economical POV, it's to MSs advantage to do so. No shelf space need for a copy of an OS that goes out the door on an OEM machine.
Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation
That's even worse, so I hear. Ben Ruset wrote: Yeah, because you - or anybody else on this list - is a good representation of the computer buying public as a whole. Anthony Q. Martin wrote: You forgot that it totally screws someone from using they purchased system as they wish, how they wish! I guess MS doesn't care about that, though. This is MS treating the buying public as total idiots (not saying that many aren't). I've bought store PC and I don't feel I need a repair help unless something just dies before it's time and I want to collect on a warranty. Software issues I'd rather deal with on my own. Well, the good news is that MS's day is coming to an end Hey, I am selling my Dell laptop to buy a Macbook.
Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation
it's a target-rich environment! The little guys like me can hide...stay off the grid, etc. Long live XP! Ben Ruset wrote: Judging by the number of lawyers in this world. :) Anthony Q. Martin wrote: there is the real world and there is legal mumbo jumbo. Guess which rules? :)
Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation
- Original Message - From: Ben Ruset [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation How are you the OEM? What equipment are you a manufacturer of? Assembling a computer now and then does not make you an OEM. If I am not an OEM, why did Microsoft accept my compnay as a Microsoft OEM System Builder Program Member? Chuck
Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation
- Original Message - From: Anthony Q. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation All of my OEM windows provide a license to use that copy one one computer. If the legal BS says it can only be used on that one PC, then that ought to be illegal. It's likely unenforceable anyhow. The fact that I get it cheaper because I bought a full system is simply an aid to move systems and to move MSs OS. Hence, from an economical POV, it's to MSs advantage to do so. You can discuss and debate it all you want. You can install your Windows XP OEM software on any computer you want using the Product Key on your COA. It is when activation fails and you have to call Microsoft you get your answer. Microsoft either gives you the 42 digit Authentication code after you give them the 54 digit Installaton code or they do not. If you lose, no appeals. So far I have won during all of my calls, even when I used as little as one component (the CPU) from the original computer that Windows XP OEM bearing that Product Key was activated on. Chuck
Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation
If you are building systems for profit, then you are an OEM. If you're building the occasional box for yourself, you are not. FORC5 wrote: my business license would disagree with you, when I build systems for customers I am a OEM, small time maybe but OEM non the less. fp
Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation
Uh, because you have a company. What I was trying to get across - and apparently flew over the collective heads of the list - is that if you go to Newegg, pick out a bunch of parts, and add an OEM XP CD to your cart, you're NOT an OEM. If you're part of the Microsoft OEM system and are building/selling systems, then you're an OEM. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Ben Ruset [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation How are you the OEM? What equipment are you a manufacturer of? Assembling a computer now and then does not make you an OEM. If I am not an OEM, why did Microsoft accept my compnay as a Microsoft OEM System Builder Program Member? Chuck
RE: [H] Rebooting issue...
Ok, went to see the PC tonight. They use the simple XP startup screen (where you click on the user). After clicking on the user name, then starting to enter the password, it reboots. No blue screen or anything, it just reboots. I went into safe mode and created a test user with no password. Then went back into normal mode. When I clicked on the test user, it rebooted. In safe mode, I ran Ad Aware. It found some cookies and the Alexa toolbar. I removed them. I then ran Hijack This with nothing looking out of the ordinary. He did not have a virus scanner, so I left it scanning with the Trend Micro Housecall online scanner. I told him that after the scan, if it did not find anything, to open up the box and look at the caps. Assuming that the caps look good, I suggested that he remove one of the RAM sticks and retry. Then if it still rebooted, to switch the sticks. They have RR and the pcs are hard-wired to a router. While in safe mode, I'd have internet connectivity one minute, then none the next minute. This whole situation seems a little weird because he had made no obvious changes to the system before this started happening. That and there does not seem to be one thing wrong with the system. Bobby -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joeuser Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 4:16 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Rebooting issue... Agreed. Also if set to - the system will reboot on crashes. Goto system properties - advanced - (startup and recovery) settings Bill wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 12:23 PM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: [H] Rebooting issue... I have to go over to a friends house this evening where the pc keeps rebooting. I'm pretty sure it's XP home. Can someone give me some pointers as to what I should be looking for to correct the problem? Thanks, Bobby Could be a number of things.. Have you run a Virus scan? This sounds like the MSBLAST Worm from a few years back... Bill -- Cheers, joeuser (still looking for the 'any' key)
RE: [H] Rebooting issue...
My Daughter had this and had the MS blast worm just like this almost eezactly. It was a bitch to fix but did it. Go to Symantec.com on your computer and get the fix. Mark Dodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] EarthLink Revolves Around You. [Original Message] From: Bobby Heid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Date: 10/5/2006 9:32:57 PM Subject: RE: [H] Rebooting issue... Ok, went to see the PC tonight. They use the simple XP startup screen (where you click on the user). After clicking on the user name, then starting to enter the password, it reboots. No blue screen or anything, it just reboots. I went into safe mode and created a test user with no password. Then went back into normal mode. When I clicked on the test user, it rebooted. In safe mode, I ran Ad Aware. It found some cookies and the Alexa toolbar. I removed them. I then ran Hijack This with nothing looking out of the ordinary. He did not have a virus scanner, so I left it scanning with the Trend Micro Housecall online scanner. I told him that after the scan, if it did not find anything, to open up the box and look at the caps. Assuming that the caps look good, I suggested that he remove one of the RAM sticks and retry. Then if it still rebooted, to switch the sticks. They have RR and the pcs are hard-wired to a router. While in safe mode, I'd have internet connectivity one minute, then none the next minute. This whole situation seems a little weird because he had made no obvious changes to the system before this started happening. That and there does not seem to be one thing wrong with the system. Bobby -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joeuser Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 4:16 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Rebooting issue... Agreed. Also if set to - the system will reboot on crashes. Goto system properties - advanced - (startup and recovery) settings Bill wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 12:23 PM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: [H] Rebooting issue... I have to go over to a friends house this evening where the pc keeps rebooting. I'm pretty sure it's XP home. Can someone give me some pointers as to what I should be looking for to correct the problem? Thanks, Bobby Could be a number of things.. Have you run a Virus scan? This sounds like the MSBLAST Worm from a few years back... Bill -- Cheers, joeuser (still looking for the 'any' key)
Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation
Dude, everyone gets that, including me! :) Ben Ruset wrote: Uh, because you have a company. What I was trying to get across - and apparently flew over the collective heads of the list - is that if you go to Newegg, pick out a bunch of parts, and add an OEM XP CD to your cart, you're NOT an OEM. If you're part of the Microsoft OEM system and are building/selling systems, then you're an OEM. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Ben Ruset [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation How are you the OEM? What equipment are you a manufacturer of? Assembling a computer now and then does not make you an OEM. If I am not an OEM, why did Microsoft accept my compnay as a Microsoft OEM System Builder Program Member? Chuck
Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation
Solution: Windows upgrade at same (laughingly called a) discount use an old copy of Win2K, 9X to validate. Not tied to hardware like OEM, just as cheap. Ben Ruset wrote: Take it up with Microsoft's lawyers. They say it's tied to the hardware. You either deal with the license or you use Linux/BSD. The idea is that you buy the OS at a steep discount versus the retail copy. If the retail copy offers no benefit to the end user versus the 90 days (or whatever) support, why bother having two lines? Anthony Q. Martin wrote: why? I bought a copy with a PC...my hardware, I own it. I don't need vendor support after i know the system works. why should anything be tied to hardware and what makes hardware unique? Do we now consider a PC to be a disposable unit...don't fix it, change it, or upgrade itjust toss it out (OS and all) and get a new one? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [H] MS gets serious about activation
but it is legal ( loosely cause it is all BS ) which makes him a * OEM of ONE* :-} fp At 05:58 PM 10/5/2006, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with: What I was trying to get across - and apparently flew over the collective heads of the list - is that if you go to Newegg, pick out a bunch of parts, and add an OEM XP CD to your cart, you're NOT an OEM. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Today's politically correct = yesterday's McCarthyism.
