Re: [H] Very nice Shuttle HTPC

[Don Couture]

Inferior GPU
BD vs. BD/HD-DVD (not really important with hd-dvd dead but if you already have 
hd-dvd's)
No dvb-t tuner
eSata
 
I'm not saying anyone should buy either one, there are better cheaper options 
available, but a system to system comparison for a htpc the shuttle is 
better/more capable.
 

 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Hayes Elkins
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Subject: Re: [H] Very nice Shuttle HTPC




What exactly makes the intel variant "less capable" in your mind?

Re: [H] Very nice Shuttle HTPC

[Hayes Elkins]

What exactly makes the intel variant "less capable" in your mind?


> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:38:37 -0400
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Very nice Shuttle HTPC
>
> Less capable is less capable.
>
> Inferior cpu or not it's a better more capable pre-assembled htpc.
>
> They're both way overpriced and under-performing but that's what you get off 
> the shelf.
>
> 
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Hayes Elkins
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> Subject: Re: [H] Very nice Shuttle HTPC
>
>
>
>
> The only factor that would make it less capable would be the choice in GPU, 
> and only if you stick with XP. It has nothing to do with CPU.> Date: Sat, 12 
> Apr 2008 14:02:45 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
> hardware@hardwaregroup.com; hardware@hardwaregroup.com> Subject: Re: [H] Very 
> nice Shuttle HTPC>> 
> http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/04/10/asus-bd-equipped-essentio-cs5110-mini-pc-gets-official/>>
>  Intel based, no price or release date but you can bet it will be more than 
> the shuttle.>> And less capable.>
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Re: [H] Very nice Shuttle HTPC

[Don Couture]

Less capable is less capable.
 
Inferior cpu or not it's a better more capable pre-assembled htpc.
 
They're both way overpriced and under-performing but that's what you get off 
the shelf.
 


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The only factor that would make it less capable would be the choice in GPU, and 
only if you stick with XP. It has nothing to do with CPU.> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 
2008 14:02:45 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com; 
hardware@hardwaregroup.com> Subject: Re: [H] Very nice Shuttle HTPC> > 
http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/04/10/asus-bd-equipped-essentio-cs5110-mini-pc-gets-official/>
 > Intel based, no price or release date but you can bet it will be more than 
the shuttle.> > And less capable.>
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Re: [H] Very nice Shuttle HTPC

[Hayes Elkins]

The only factor that would make it less capable would be the choice in GPU, and 
only if you stick with XP. It has nothing to do with CPU.> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 
2008 14:02:45 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com; 
hardware@hardwaregroup.com> Subject: Re: [H] Very nice Shuttle HTPC> > 
http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/04/10/asus-bd-equipped-essentio-cs5110-mini-pc-gets-official/>
 > Intel based, no price or release date but you can bet it will be more than 
the shuttle.> > And less capable.> 
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Re: [H] Very nice Shuttle HTPC

[Don Couture]

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/04/10/asus-bd-equipped-essentio-cs5110-mini-pc-gets-official/
 
Intel based, no price or release date but you can bet it will be more than the 
shuttle.
 
And less capable.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Hayes Elkins
Sent: Sat 4/12/2008 1:38 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
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AMD processor. Sorry, $2000 for a system with an inferior CPU has no value to 
me.> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:08:10 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
hardware@hardwaregroup.com> Subject: [H] Very nice Shuttle HTPC> > Great form 
factor, tons of good features including Blu-Ray HD-DVD combo> player for about 
$1800 ($250 less for Blu-Ray only):> > 
http://feeds.engadget.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadget/~3/268357272/> > Hook that 
puppy up to a SAN or NAS and I think we have a winner of a> solution.> > > 
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Re: [H] Very nice Shuttle HTPC

[Hayes Elkins]

An amd 780G system should never cost>$1500, let alone $1000.

Pointless point since this system uses an external 3450 right? Negates the need 
and benefit of the 780G.

A 45nm c2d w/ a 3xxx add-in on any current gen-3 intel chipset is not only 
great for media pc but no slouch in gaming either - and even then that's not a 
$1800 system.

Again, there is no value in that shuttle at that price point.

A 780G system needs to be cheap, VERY cheap, to be valuable.





> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:53:24 -0500
> Subject: Re: [H] Very nice Shuttle HTPC
>
> For a gaming PC, I'd agree. For a media center, not so sure. Right now,
> there is nothing on the Intel side that compares with the 780G. Not even
> close. The G35 chipset is a joke, driver support that sucks, timing issues,
> plagued by instability; the G45 is delayed (again).
>
> Since you can get flawless playback using a 780G and a chip as cheap as a
> LE-1640, which is absolutely inferior to Intel's Core2 line, but who cares,
> it powers a media center to do the one function you want, then it doesn't
> matter.
>
> Shuttle's idea is still wrong, though... they are using a micro board, a
> 3450 separate video card, etc. etc. which just increases cost with no
> appreciable benefits for the purpose I'm imagining.
>
> Use a 1T drive, a 780G and something like a LE-1640, or sure, go for a 4400+
> or whatever, a basic card, desktop case, and a blueray drive.
>
> Wham. AMD right now doesn't compete at the high end - we definitely see
> that. But I haven't found anything nearly as effective, quiet, and stable
> as the 780G. I'm a bit unhappy that it doesn't pass full LPCM (only DD/DTS,
> 2 Channel uncompressed) but for what it does, there is very little in the
> marketplace better.
>
> CW
>
>
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayes Elkins
> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 12:38 PM
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Very nice Shuttle HTPC
>
>
> AMD processor. Sorry, $2000 for a system with an inferior CPU has no value
> to me.> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:08:10 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com> Subject: [H] Very nice Shuttle HTPC>> Great
> form factor, tons of good features including Blu-Ray HD-DVD combo> player
> for about $1800 ($250 less for Blu-Ray only):>>
> http://feeds.engadget.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadget/~3/268357272/>> Hook that
> puppy up to a SAN or NAS and I think we have a winner of a> solution.>>
> > Brian
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Re: [H] Very nice Shuttle HTPC

[Hayes Elkins]

That's a chipset with integrated IGP when combined with a cpu should be ultra 
cheap.

This is not the case.


> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:49:58 -0400
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Very nice Shuttle HTPC
>
> Weren't you just evangelizing the merits of the AMD 780G chipset and its
> on-board graphics? I understand a lot of that has to do with the IGP and
> not the CPU but it's not like you were going to be able to get the 780 with
> an intel chip.
>
> And it's $1500, assuming one doesn't need the HD-DVD drive.
>
> -
> Brian
>
> On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Hayes Elkins 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> AMD processor. Sorry, $2000 for a system with an inferior CPU has no value
>> to me.> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:08:10 -0400> From:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com> Subject: [H] Very
>> nice Shuttle HTPC>> Great form factor, tons of good features including
>> Blu-Ray HD-DVD combo> player for about $1800 ($250 less for Blu-Ray only):>
>>> http://feeds.engadget.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadget/~3/268357272/>
>>> Hook that puppy up to a SAN or NAS and I think we have a winner of a>
>> solution.>> > Brian
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Re: [H] Very nice Shuttle HTPC

[Brian Weeden]

When I first saw the Shuttle thing I linked somehow I thought it was using
the 780g.  Now that I have actually looked at it and realized those exact
same points it's definitely not as hot as I thought it was.


Brian

On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Chris Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> For a gaming PC, I'd agree.  For a media center, not so sure.  Right now,
> there is nothing on the Intel side that compares with the 780G.  Not even
> close.  The G35 chipset is a joke, driver support that sucks, timing
> issues,
> plagued by instability; the G45 is delayed (again).
>
> Since you can get flawless playback using a 780G and a chip as cheap as a
> LE-1640, which is absolutely inferior to Intel's Core2 line, but who
> cares,
> it powers a media center to do the one function you want, then it doesn't
> matter.
>
> Shuttle's idea is still wrong, though... they are using a micro board, a
> 3450 separate video card, etc. etc. which just increases cost with no
> appreciable benefits for the purpose I'm imagining.
>
> Use a 1T drive, a 780G and something like a LE-1640, or sure, go for a
> 4400+
> or whatever, a basic card, desktop case, and a blueray drive.
>
> Wham.  AMD right now doesn't compete at the high end - we definitely see
> that.  But I haven't found anything nearly as effective, quiet, and stable
> as the 780G.  I'm a bit unhappy that it doesn't pass full LPCM (only
> DD/DTS,
> 2 Channel uncompressed) but for what it does, there is very little in the
> marketplace better.
>
> CW
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayes Elkins
> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 12:38 PM
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Very nice Shuttle HTPC
>
>
> AMD processor. Sorry, $2000 for a system with an inferior CPU has no value
> to me.> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:08:10 -0400> From:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com> Subject: [H] Very nice Shuttle HTPC> >
> Great
> form factor, tons of good features including Blu-Ray HD-DVD combo> player
> for about $1800 ($250 less for Blu-Ray only):> >
> http://feeds.engadget.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadget/~3/268357272/>
> > Hook that
> puppy up to a SAN or NAS and I think we have a winner of a> solution.> >
> > Brian
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Re: [H] Very nice Shuttle HTPC

[Chris Reeves]

For a gaming PC, I'd agree.  For a media center, not so sure.  Right now,
there is nothing on the Intel side that compares with the 780G.  Not even
close.  The G35 chipset is a joke, driver support that sucks, timing issues,
plagued by instability; the G45 is delayed (again).  

Since you can get flawless playback using a 780G and a chip as cheap as a
LE-1640, which is absolutely inferior to Intel's Core2 line, but who cares,
it powers a media center to do the one function you want, then it doesn't
matter.

Shuttle's idea is still wrong, though... they are using a micro board, a
3450 separate video card, etc. etc. which just increases cost with no
appreciable benefits for the purpose I'm imagining.  

Use a 1T drive, a 780G and something like a LE-1640, or sure, go for a 4400+
or whatever, a basic card, desktop case, and a blueray drive.

Wham.  AMD right now doesn't compete at the high end - we definitely see
that.  But I haven't found anything nearly as effective, quiet, and stable
as the 780G.  I'm a bit unhappy that it doesn't pass full LPCM (only DD/DTS,
2 Channel uncompressed) but for what it does, there is very little in the
marketplace better.

CW


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AMD processor. Sorry, $2000 for a system with an inferior CPU has no value
to me.> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:08:10 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com> Subject: [H] Very nice Shuttle HTPC> > Great
form factor, tons of good features including Blu-Ray HD-DVD combo> player
for about $1800 ($250 less for Blu-Ray only):> >
http://feeds.engadget.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadget/~3/268357272/> > Hook that
puppy up to a SAN or NAS and I think we have a winner of a> solution.> >
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Re: [H] Very nice Shuttle HTPC

[Brian Weeden]

Weren't you just evangelizing the merits of the AMD 780G chipset and its
on-board graphics?  I understand a lot of that has to do with the IGP and
not the CPU but it's not like you were going to be able to get the 780 with
an intel chip.

And it's $1500, assuming one doesn't need the HD-DVD drive.

-
Brian

On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Hayes Elkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
> AMD processor. Sorry, $2000 for a system with an inferior CPU has no value
> to me.> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:08:10 -0400> From:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com> Subject: [H] Very
> nice Shuttle HTPC> > Great form factor, tons of good features including
> Blu-Ray HD-DVD combo> player for about $1800 ($250 less for Blu-Ray only):>
> > http://feeds.engadget.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadget/~3/268357272/>
> > Hook that puppy up to a SAN or NAS and I think we have a winner of a>
> solution.> > > Brian
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Re: [H] Very nice Shuttle HTPC

[Hayes Elkins]

AMD processor. Sorry, $2000 for a system with an inferior CPU has no value to 
me.> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:08:10 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
hardware@hardwaregroup.com> Subject: [H] Very nice Shuttle HTPC> > Great form 
factor, tons of good features including Blu-Ray HD-DVD combo> player for about 
$1800 ($250 less for Blu-Ray only):> > 
http://feeds.engadget.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadget/~3/268357272/> > Hook that 
puppy up to a SAN or NAS and I think we have a winner of a> solution.> > > 
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[H] Diskeeper 8?

[Sam Franc]

I use Diskeeper 8.
Is there any real reason to upgrade?
Sam