Re: [H] Best DVR/TivoHD upgrade drive?

2009-03-25 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
Are the still offering to transfer a lifetime subscription?  I have one 
dating back to my Series 1 that I transfered to my S2DT. NOw I want to 
transfer that to the HD version.


Bino Gopal wrote:

Well the TivoHD is pretty AWESOME!  Note that I looked into it, and for
whatever reason the tuner on the Series2 is CRAP for SD and it will look a
lot worse than your cable box (I don't know why; it just does; plenty of
posts to confirm this).

So going to the TivoHD made that SD stuff look better, but I record almost
everything in HD and DAMN does it look good!  I got a TivoHD for $200 and
they transferred my service from my series1 (circa 2000) for free so it was
quite a deal.  I ordered the 1TB HD for $100 and at that price point it
can't be beat!  But if you have to get a new one, it gets more expensive,
though I still say buy the lifetime if you plan on keeping it long enough...

Note that you can only get 2.2TB of storage on any Tivo, mainly due to
firmware limits by Tivo; and the biggest internal drive you can put in a
TivoHD is 1.2TB (the original drive + 1TB) and I can add a 1TB external
storage drive, but there are too many problems with external storage at this
point...here's the official upgrade thread; definitely read it; it tells you
everything in much better detail than I just did! ;)

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5616160#post5616160

Anyway, HTH!

BINO


-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Fisk
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 5:09 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Best DVR/TivoHD upgrade drive?

On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:

  
I wouldn't worry about green at all...i'd worry about noise 
level...tivos with noisy HD will ruin your HD experience.



Cool  Quiet are what you want.  Then Size, then way way down on the list 
is speed.  I recently had a drive failure in my series 2 TiVo and tossed 
in a pair of extra drives I had kicking around (A 200GB and 250GB drive) 
just to get it back up and running.  I can hear them working when my TV is 
off, but my hearing is bad enough that my volume on my TV is always higher 
than it really should be, so that drowns out the HDD noises.


I will eventually get myself either a series 3 or a TiVo HD and upgrade 
that as far as it'll go.  But I'm still saving for that.



Christopher Fisk
  


Re: [H] HDMI Audio Problems

2009-03-25 Thread James Maki
Anthony,

I use my computer to play Blu-ray discs. That is one of the reasons I am
upset that I cannot get the computer connected with HDMI to output any
audio. Today is a new day and I hope to get back to the problem. I was on
chat with Comcast for hours yesterday and they haven't a clue! They work
from a script and began with:

Problem : running an hdmi cable from motorola dch3416 to a Westinghouse
HDTV. No audio. Also looking at the compatibility of attaching the dvr to a
yamaha av receiver but get an error message.

Comcast  Connect the cable from the wall outlet to the Cable In input on
the DCT. 
James_  done
Comcast  Connect a cable from the Video output on the DCT to the Video
input of the TV .
Comcast  Or Connect a S-Video Cable from the S-Video output on the DCT to
the S-Video input on the TV 

When she started talking about using an S-Video cable I knew I was in
trouble! I indicated that everything worked fine with component cables for
video and RCA cables for audio and I wanted to utilize the HDMI cable for
both audio and video, her next script began with a description on how to add
a VCR to the mix!

We went in circles and it ended up that she said that what I wanted to do
SHOULD work, but since it didn't, resort to component to TV and optical
digital to receiver for audio, oh, and have a nice day :)

Jim Maki
jwm_maill...@comcast.net

 -Original Message-
 From: Anthony Q. Martin
 
 James,
 
 Which Blu-ray player do you have? Focus on that. The cable boxes are 
 known to be problematic apparently, but the Blu-ray should 
 work to your 
 receiver and then receiver to TV. I would remove everything else from 
 HDMI until you get this part working. For sure there are setting with 
 the player that you need to adjust to get it to output over HDMI.
 
 James Maki wrote:
  I am not blaming HDMI directly. Just the entire mess that 
 doesn't allow
  equipment to work together. 
 



Re: [H] HDMI Audio Problems

2009-03-25 Thread Anthony Q. Martin
James,

Ok...the computer complicates things. Also, since you have the motorola 
receiver, and that is known to be flakey, things are doubly complicated. Did 
you check in the menu system of your TV to see if it needs to be set to get 
sound off the HDMI cable?  If it works, you're only going to get two channel 
sound out the TV speakers using this approach.  Does your TV have an HDMI out 
too?

I have a motorala HD receiver too, but I don't know which model.  I didn't have 
to do anything special other than plug it into the receiver using the HDMI 
output, IIRC.

I would not have the patience to stay on the line with cable company people.  

I run my monitor on my PC using a cable that is DVI on one end and HDMI on the 
other.  However, the sound comes out the PC via the sound out jacks and goes to 
the speakers.  Only the video goes over HDMI.

Good luck.


  - Original Message - 
  From: James Maki 
  To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 9:19 AM
  Subject: Re: [H] HDMI Audio Problems


  Anthony,

  I use my computer to play Blu-ray discs. That is one of the reasons I am
  upset that I cannot get the computer connected with HDMI to output any
  audio. Today is a new day and I hope to get back to the problem. I was on
  chat with Comcast for hours yesterday and they haven't a clue! They work
  from a script and began with:

  Problem : running an hdmi cable from motorola dch3416 to a Westinghouse
  HDTV. No audio. Also looking at the compatibility of attaching the dvr to a
  yamaha av receiver but get an error message.

  Comcast  Connect the cable from the wall outlet to the Cable In input on
  the DCT. 
  James_  done
  Comcast  Connect a cable from the Video output on the DCT to the Video
  input of the TV .
  Comcast  Or Connect a S-Video Cable from the S-Video output on the DCT to
  the S-Video input on the TV 

  When she started talking about using an S-Video cable I knew I was in
  trouble! I indicated that everything worked fine with component cables for
  video and RCA cables for audio and I wanted to utilize the HDMI cable for
  both audio and video, her next script began with a description on how to add
  a VCR to the mix!

  We went in circles and it ended up that she said that what I wanted to do
  SHOULD work, but since it didn't, resort to component to TV and optical
  digital to receiver for audio, oh, and have a nice day :)

  Jim Maki
  jwm_maill...@comcast.net

   -Original Message-
   From: Anthony Q. Martin
   
   James,
   
   Which Blu-ray player do you have? Focus on that. The cable boxes are 
   known to be problematic apparently, but the Blu-ray should 
   work to your 
   receiver and then receiver to TV. I would remove everything else from 
   HDMI until you get this part working. For sure there are setting with 
   the player that you need to adjust to get it to output over HDMI.
   
   James Maki wrote:
I am not blaming HDMI directly. Just the entire mess that 
   doesn't allow
equipment to work together. 
   


Re: [H] HDMI Audio Problems

2009-03-25 Thread James Maki
Anthony,

I had everything working just fine, using a DVI-HDMI cable for the computer
to the HDTV, and either 5.1 Speakers out or coax SPDIF for the computer and
HDMI-HDMI cable for cable box to HDTV and Optical SPDIF out for 5.1 sound
for cable. I also have the upconverting DVD that requiures a coax SPDIF for
5.1 surround, so I was out of input jacks on the receiver (hence, the 5.1
speaker out on the computer audio). Since I had extra HDMI inputs on the
receiver, I thought (in my apparent ignorance), that a video card with HDMI
out would solve my problem! Unfortunately, it has only complicated my life,
for the moment. I may just remove the DVD from the mix and use the computer
to play DVDs (which will not make my wife happy because she hate and the
remotes and different procedures and has the playing of DVDs down pat!). 

I cannot find a HDMI cable audio in the HDTV menu options, other than a
selection for port 1 which selects digital or analog (port one has the HDMI
port plus the RCA cable input for stereo sound).

It is just discouraging to purchase the proper items and then not have
them play nice together. The chat with Comcast was extruciating! I did other
things while she thought about my input. It often took her 5 or more
minutes to respond, and then it would be a question like: So James, did you
hook up the RCA cables? or You must run an HDMI cable from the dvr to the
HDTV and another HDMI cable to the cable box. Idiot, the DVR is the cable
box? At one point I asked her if she even knew what a Motorola DCH3416 even
was! That took her a long time to respond to. Then she apologized and said
she was refering to the VCR as the other box! I don't have a VCR in the MIX!

Anyway, Hope YOU have a great day! I am not so sure about mine. Thanks for
letting me rant!

Jim Maki
jwm_maill...@comcast.net

 -Original Message-
 From: Anthony Q. Martin

 
 James,
 
 Ok...the computer complicates things. Also, since you have 
 the motorola receiver, and that is known to be flakey, things 
 are doubly complicated. Did you check in the menu system of 
 your TV to see if it needs to be set to get sound off the 
 HDMI cable?  If it works, you're only going to get two 
 channel sound out the TV speakers using this approach.  Does 
 your TV have an HDMI out too?
 
 I have a motorala HD receiver too, but I don't know which 
 model.  I didn't have to do anything special other than plug 
 it into the receiver using the HDMI output, IIRC.
 
 I would not have the patience to stay on the line with cable 
 company people.  
 
 I run my monitor on my PC using a cable that is DVI on one 
 end and HDMI on the other.  However, the sound comes out the 
 PC via the sound out jacks and goes to the speakers.  Only 
 the video goes over HDMI.
 
 Good luck.



[H] Dual Boot questions

2009-03-25 Thread Veech

Folks I need a bit of feedback regarding creating a dual boot system.

I currently have 2 HDs running, a smaller one has XP Media Center as the OS 
and the second larger HD has D, E and G partitions used for storing files.


I want to install XP Pro on the same computer and have the option to boot to 
either one as needed.


Is it fairly simple to create a new partition on the existing HD and install 
XP Pro on that partition?  Or is it better to buy a new HD and install XP 
Pro on the new HD?


If I am able to install the second OS on the same HD as the first one, will 
both OSes be able to recognize the files stored on the D, E and G 
partitions?


If I need to install the second OS on a separate HD, will it be able to 
recognize and access the files stored on the other HD on the D, E and G 
partitions?


thanks



[H] Firefox annoyance

2009-03-25 Thread Brian Weeden
Just recently I've noticed that every time I download a file, my copy of
Firefox brings up the download window in the sidebar every time.  This is
super annoying.  Anyone know how to turn it off so that things just download
silently in the background?

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


Re: [H] Firefox annoyance

2009-03-25 Thread JRS
Tools/Options then the 'Main' tab..   

Then uncheck Show the Downloads window when downloading a file

I think that should do it.

 -- 
JRS 
stei...@pacbell.net


Facts do not cease to exist just
because they are ignored.





From: Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.com
To: hwg hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 11:58:39 AM
Subject: [H] Firefox annoyance

Just recently I've noticed that every time I download a file, my copy of
Firefox brings up the download window in the sidebar every time.  This is
super annoying.  Anyone know how to turn it off so that things just download
silently in the background?

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


Re: [H] Firefox annoyance

2009-03-25 Thread Brian Weeden
That box was already unchecked but the right option was under the All in
one sidebar config right underneath it.  Thanks!

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 3:04 PM, JRS stei...@pacbell.net wrote:

 Tools/Options then the 'Main' tab..

 Then uncheck Show the Downloads window when downloading a file

 I think that should do it.

  --
 JRS
 stei...@pacbell.net


 Facts do not cease to exist just
 because they are ignored.




 
 From: Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.com
 To: hwg hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 11:58:39 AM
 Subject: [H] Firefox annoyance

 Just recently I've noticed that every time I download a file, my copy of
 Firefox brings up the download window in the sidebar every time.  This is
 super annoying.  Anyone know how to turn it off so that things just
 download
 silently in the background?

 ---
 Brian Weeden
 Technical Consultant
 Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org
 +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
 +1 (202) 683-8534 US



Re: [H] Firefox annoyance

2009-03-25 Thread DHSinclair

Brian,
How about Tools / Main / Downloads?
And un-tick the 1st selection.
Best,
Duncan

At 14:58 03/25/2009 -0400, you wrote:

Just recently I've noticed that every time I download a file, my copy of
Firefox brings up the download window in the sidebar every time.  This is
super annoying.  Anyone know how to turn it off so that things just download
silently in the background?

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US

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Re: [H] Dual Boot questions

2009-03-25 Thread Jamie Furtner



'Veech ve...@earthlink.net' said:


Folks I need a bit of feedback regarding creating a dual boot system.

I currently have 2 HDs running, a smaller one has XP Media Center as
the OS and the second larger HD has D, E and G partitions used for
storing files.

I want to install XP Pro on the same computer and have the option to
boot to either one as needed.

Is it fairly simple to create a new partition on the existing HD and
install XP Pro on that partition?  Or is it better to buy a new HD and
install XP Pro on the new HD?


If you have the contiguous free space on your current C: drive and the  
tools to resize the partition then that's probably easier, otherwise a  
new drive is probably the easier of the two routes (especially if the  
C: drive is already strapped for space).




If I am able to install the second OS on the same HD as the first one,
will both OSes be able to recognize the files stored on the D, E and G
partitions?

If I need to install the second OS on a separate HD, will it be able to
recognize and access the files stored on the other HD on the D, E and G
partitions?


Yes to both. You may have to change the drive mappings to be correct  
but they will all be accessible. If they're formatted with FAT32 then  
there's no security to worry about. If they're formatted as NTFS,  
members of the local Administrators group have full control over newly  
created partitions by default. You'll also be able to see your  
existing C: drive - it may stay as C: or be another drive letter. You  
can unmap the drive if you want through Disk Management.


Jamie


Re: [H] Dual Boot questions

2009-03-25 Thread Veech
ok so the good news is that whether I install a second OS on the same 
physical HD or on a completely new one, that both OSes will be able to see 
all files on all drives?  That is great news.  The C drive is crowded, I 
would have to move a bunch of files over to another drive so maybe the new 
physical HD is a good solution.


I don't have a partition utility handy.  Partition Magic is expensive, for 
the price I could just buy another HD.  I don't recall how they are 
formatted but it's my personal PC at home so I'm the administrator as well. 
Great info, thanks Jamie!



'Veech ve...@earthlink.net' said:


Folks I need a bit of feedback regarding creating a dual boot system.

I currently have 2 HDs running, a smaller one has XP Media Center as
the OS and the second larger HD has D, E and G partitions used for
storing files.

I want to install XP Pro on the same computer and have the option to
boot to either one as needed.

Is it fairly simple to create a new partition on the existing HD and
install XP Pro on that partition?  Or is it better to buy a new HD and
install XP Pro on the new HD?


If you have the contiguous free space on your current C: drive and the
tools to resize the partition then that's probably easier, otherwise a
new drive is probably the easier of the two routes (especially if the
C: drive is already strapped for space).



If I am able to install the second OS on the same HD as the first one,
will both OSes be able to recognize the files stored on the D, E and G
partitions?

If I need to install the second OS on a separate HD, will it be able to
recognize and access the files stored on the other HD on the D, E and G
partitions?


Yes to both. You may have to change the drive mappings to be correct
but they will all be accessible. If they're formatted with FAT32 then
there's no security to worry about. If they're formatted as NTFS,
members of the local Administrators group have full control over newly
created partitions by default. You'll also be able to see your
existing C: drive - it may stay as C: or be another drive letter. You
can unmap the drive if you want through Disk Management.

Jamie 



Re: [H] HDMI Audio Problems

2009-03-25 Thread James Maki
 -Original Message-
 From: James Maki
 
 Is HDMI ready for prime time? 

Just a quick update on some of the things I have found out about HDMI audio.
First, the Yamaha receiver I purchased (and MANY others) does not utilize
the HDMI audio signal at all! It only passes it on to the HDTV. This seems
like a real waste since most HDTVs only process STEREO sound. I found in the
manual that to have the receiver process the audio, you need to use either
RCA cables, digital optical or digital coax cables. What is the point?

Second, as Anthony mentioned, there are known issues with; 1) Comcast cable
boxes, and, 2) ATI video cards with HDMI ports. They advertise dolby 7.1
sound, but I was surprised at the number of people complaining that they
cannot get it to work at all. 

Lastly, I have a suspicion that my HDTV cannot process the HDMI audio
signal. So far, I have been unable to get any sound even with direct HDMI
connections, from my PC, cable box, or DVD player. I guess I will just go
back to the SPDIF connections. 

Jim Maki
jwm_maill...@comcast.net



Re: [H] HDMI Audio Problems

2009-03-25 Thread Brian Weeden
There are also known issues with spdif ports and Bluray, specifically  
getting any tru-hd or dts-hd decoded.


Spdif Is not considered a protected channel for drm and thus the pc  
might end up downgrading the signal.


---
Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation

Sent from my iPhone

On 25-Mar-09, at 7:01 PM, James Maki jwm_maill...@comcast.net wrote:


-Original Message-
From: James Maki



Is HDMI ready for prime time?


Just a quick update on some of the things I have found out about  
HDMI audio.
First, the Yamaha receiver I purchased (and MANY others) does not  
utilize
the HDMI audio signal at all! It only passes it on to the HDTV. This  
seems
like a real waste since most HDTVs only process STEREO sound. I  
found in the
manual that to have the receiver process the audio, you need to use  
either

RCA cables, digital optical or digital coax cables. What is the point?

Second, as Anthony mentioned, there are known issues with; 1)  
Comcast cable
boxes, and, 2) ATI video cards with HDMI ports. They advertise dolby  
7.1
sound, but I was surprised at the number of people complaining that  
they

cannot get it to work at all.

Lastly, I have a suspicion that my HDTV cannot process the HDMI audio
signal. So far, I have been unable to get any sound even with direct  
HDMI
connections, from my PC, cable box, or DVD player. I guess I will  
just go

back to the SPDIF connections.

Jim Maki
jwm_maill...@comcast.net



Re: [H] HDMI Audio Problems

2009-03-25 Thread James Maki
Isn't DRM just grand! It doesn't really protect the material, just makes it
difficult for us to use it, to enjoy what we pay for.

So how do you get tru-hd or dts-hd from a set top blu-ray player? The HDMI
receiver passes it on to the HDTV (which is stereo). Can't use the SPDIF
without it degrading the quality. What other options are we left with to
process the sound? This just keeps getting better and better!

Jim Maki
jwm_maill...@comcast.net

 -Original Message-
 From: Brian Weeden
 
 There are also known issues with spdif ports and Bluray, 
 specifically  
 getting any tru-hd or dts-hd decoded.
 
 Spdif Is not considered a protected channel for drm and thus the pc  
 might end up downgrading the signal.
 
 ---
 Brian Weeden
 Technical Consultant
 Secure World Foundation



Re: [H] HDMI Audio Problems

2009-03-25 Thread Brian Weeden
Rip the Bluray to HD, re-encode the audio to FLAC and mux back into an mkv
file with the video and any subs you need.  Works great.

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:32 PM, James Maki jwm_maill...@comcast.netwrote:

 Isn't DRM just grand! It doesn't really protect the material, just makes it
 difficult for us to use it, to enjoy what we pay for.

 So how do you get tru-hd or dts-hd from a set top blu-ray player? The HDMI
 receiver passes it on to the HDTV (which is stereo). Can't use the SPDIF
 without it degrading the quality. What other options are we left with to
 process the sound? This just keeps getting better and better!

 Jim Maki
 jwm_maill...@comcast.net

  -Original Message-
  From: Brian Weeden

  There are also known issues with spdif ports and Bluray,
  specifically
  getting any tru-hd or dts-hd decoded.
 
  Spdif Is not considered a protected channel for drm and thus the pc
  might end up downgrading the signal.
 
  ---
  Brian Weeden
  Technical Consultant
  Secure World Foundation




Re: [H] [Bulk] Re: HDMI Audio Problems

2009-03-25 Thread Stan Zaske
Exactly, and that's why piracy is so widespread! People are tired of the 
headaches and just want it to work. DRM isn't grand and they're making 
people into pirates with it (along with their ridiculous greed of 
course)! Take the Dark Knight for example: The movie studio's complain 
about all the money that they've lost because of illegal downloads and 
yet the movie has taken in over 1 billion world wide. Boo hoo!



Brian Weeden wrote:

Rip the Bluray to HD, re-encode the audio to FLAC and mux back into an mkv
file with the video and any subs you need.  Works great.

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:32 PM, James Maki jwm_maill...@comcast.netwrote:

  

Isn't DRM just grand! It doesn't really protect the material, just makes it
difficult for us to use it, to enjoy what we pay for.

So how do you get tru-hd or dts-hd from a set top blu-ray player? The HDMI
receiver passes it on to the HDTV (which is stereo). Can't use the SPDIF
without it degrading the quality. What other options are we left with to
process the sound? This just keeps getting better and better!

Jim Maki
jwm_maill...@comcast.net



-Original Message-
From: Brian Weeden
  
There are also known issues with spdif ports and Bluray,

specifically
getting any tru-hd or dts-hd decoded.

Spdif Is not considered a protected channel for drm and thus the pc
might end up downgrading the signal.

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation
  



  




Re: [H] HDMI Audio Problems

2009-03-25 Thread Anthony Q. Martin

:So how do you get tru-hd or dts-hd from a set top blu-ray player?

I get mine over HDMI. You can also get it over multi-channel analog if your 
player has those and your receiver has the inputs.
I've done both and obviously HDMI is better since you get both video and sound 
with one cable, instead of 7.  and tru-hd and dts-hd are vastly better than 
that compressed crap.

James Maki wrote:

Isn't DRM just grand! It doesn't really protect the material, just makes it
difficult for us to use it, to enjoy what we pay for.

So how do you get tru-hd or dts-hd from a set top blu-ray player? The HDMI
receiver passes it on to the HDTV (which is stereo). Can't use the SPDIF
without it degrading the quality. What other options are we left with to
process the sound? This just keeps getting better and better!

Jim Maki
jwm_maill...@comcast.net

  

-Original Message-
From: Brian Weeden

 
  
There are also known issues with spdif ports and Bluray, 
specifically  
getting any tru-hd or dts-hd decoded.


Spdif Is not considered a protected channel for drm and thus the pc  
might end up downgrading the signal.


---
Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation




  


Re: [H] HDMI Audio Problems

2009-03-25 Thread Brian Weeden
FLAC is a lossless codec and from my personal testing in my HT (your results
may vary) it sounded better than normal DD or DTS and almost as good as
Tru-HD.

The real bonus is that it drops the filesize by several hundred MB at least,
sometimes more.

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote:

 :So how do you get tru-hd or dts-hd from a set top blu-ray player?

 I get mine over HDMI. You can also get it over multi-channel analog if your
 player has those and your receiver has the inputs.
 I've done both and obviously HDMI is better since you get both video and
 sound with one cable, instead of 7.  and tru-hd and dts-hd are vastly better
 than that compressed crap.


 James Maki wrote:

 Isn't DRM just grand! It doesn't really protect the material, just makes
 it
 difficult for us to use it, to enjoy what we pay for.

 So how do you get tru-hd or dts-hd from a set top blu-ray player? The HDMI
 receiver passes it on to the HDTV (which is stereo). Can't use the SPDIF
 without it degrading the quality. What other options are we left with to
 process the sound? This just keeps getting better and better!

 Jim Maki
 jwm_maill...@comcast.net



 -Original Message-
 From: Brian Weeden




 There are also known issues with spdif ports and Bluray, specifically
  getting any tru-hd or dts-hd decoded.

 Spdif Is not considered a protected channel for drm and thus the pc
  might end up downgrading the signal.

 ---
 Brian Weeden
 Technical Consultant
 Secure World Foundation









Re: [H] HDMI Audio Problems

2009-03-25 Thread Anthony Q. Martin

I have ripped a few BDs to HD...they are currently hogging up about 220 GB.

Brian Weeden wrote:

FLAC is a lossless codec and from my personal testing in my HT (your results
may vary) it sounded better than normal DD or DTS and almost as good as
Tru-HD.

The real bonus is that it drops the filesize by several hundred MB at least,
sometimes more.

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote:

  

:So how do you get tru-hd or dts-hd from a set top blu-ray player?

I get mine over HDMI. You can also get it over multi-channel analog if your
player has those and your receiver has the inputs.
I've done both and obviously HDMI is better since you get both video and
sound with one cable, instead of 7.  and tru-hd and dts-hd are vastly better
than that compressed crap.


James Maki wrote:



Isn't DRM just grand! It doesn't really protect the material, just makes
it
difficult for us to use it, to enjoy what we pay for.

So how do you get tru-hd or dts-hd from a set top blu-ray player? The HDMI
receiver passes it on to the HDTV (which is stereo). Can't use the SPDIF
without it degrading the quality. What other options are we left with to
process the sound? This just keeps getting better and better!

Jim Maki
jwm_maill...@comcast.net



  

-Original Message-
From: Brian Weeden



  

There are also known issues with spdif ports and Bluray, specifically
 getting any tru-hd or dts-hd decoded.

Spdif Is not considered a protected channel for drm and thus the pc
 might end up downgrading the signal.

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation






  


  


Re: [H] HDMI Audio Problems

2009-03-25 Thread tmservo
You can generally just mkv the movie with the soundtrack you want and they 
become very manageable.  
Sent via BlackBerry 

-Original Message-
From: Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:55:47 
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] HDMI Audio Problems


I have ripped a few BDs to HD...they are currently hogging up about 220 GB.

Brian Weeden wrote:
 FLAC is a lossless codec and from my personal testing in my HT (your results
 may vary) it sounded better than normal DD or DTS and almost as good as
 Tru-HD.

 The real bonus is that it drops the filesize by several hundred MB at least,
 sometimes more.

 ---
 Brian Weeden
 Technical Consultant
 Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org
 +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
 +1 (202) 683-8534 US


 On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote:

   
 :So how do you get tru-hd or dts-hd from a set top blu-ray player?

 I get mine over HDMI. You can also get it over multi-channel analog if your
 player has those and your receiver has the inputs.
 I've done both and obviously HDMI is better since you get both video and
 sound with one cable, instead of 7.  and tru-hd and dts-hd are vastly better
 than that compressed crap.


 James Maki wrote:

 
 Isn't DRM just grand! It doesn't really protect the material, just makes
 it
 difficult for us to use it, to enjoy what we pay for.

 So how do you get tru-hd or dts-hd from a set top blu-ray player? The HDMI
 receiver passes it on to the HDTV (which is stereo). Can't use the SPDIF
 without it degrading the quality. What other options are we left with to
 process the sound? This just keeps getting better and better!

 Jim Maki
 jwm_maill...@comcast.net



   
 -Original Message-
 From: Brian Weeden


 
   
 There are also known issues with spdif ports and Bluray, specifically
  getting any tru-hd or dts-hd decoded.

 Spdif Is not considered a protected channel for drm and thus the pc
  might end up downgrading the signal.

 ---
 Brian Weeden
 Technical Consultant
 Secure World Foundation


 


   

   


Re: [H] HDMI Audio Problems

2009-03-25 Thread James Maki
Most of the followup posts address ripping the Blu-ray to the harddrive to
play. I was asking the question regarding a regular set top blu-ray player.
If my receiver just passes the HDMI audio signal along to the HDTV, how do I
connect the audio from the blu-ray player to the receiver?

More of a thought question since I do use my computer. Some of these
gyrations sound more difficult than what you get out of them! Personally, I
use AnydvdHD to play blu-ray discs.

Jim Maki
jwm_maill...@comcast.net 

 -Original Message-
 From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com 
 [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
 Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 5:13 PM
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject: Re: [H] HDMI Audio Problems
 
 Rip the Bluray to HD, re-encode the audio to FLAC and mux 
 back into an mkv
 file with the video and any subs you need.  Works great.
 
 ---
 Brian Weeden
 Technical Consultant
 Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org
 +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
 +1 (202) 683-8534 US
 
 
 On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:32 PM, James Maki 
 jwm_maill...@comcast.netwrote:
 
  Isn't DRM just grand! It doesn't really protect the 
 material, just makes it
  difficult for us to use it, to enjoy what we pay for.
 
  So how do you get tru-hd or dts-hd from a set top blu-ray 
 player? The HDMI
  receiver passes it on to the HDTV (which is stereo). Can't 
 use the SPDIF
  without it degrading the quality. What other options are we 
 left with to
  process the sound? This just keeps getting better and better!
 
  Jim Maki
  jwm_maill...@comcast.net
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Brian Weeden
 
   There are also known issues with spdif ports and Bluray,
   specifically
   getting any tru-hd or dts-hd decoded.
  
   Spdif Is not considered a protected channel for drm and 
 thus the pc
   might end up downgrading the signal.
  
   ---
   Brian Weeden
   Technical Consultant
   Secure World Foundation