Re: [H] MAC Address Filter
Interesting, thanks for the link. It is good to learn new things, even if I am very late in learning them :-) RegardsGary At 11:10 AM 4/28/2009, It was written by Greg Sevart that this shall come to pass: Ding ding. Disabling the SSID beacon and MAC filtering are utterly pointless. The six dumbest ways to secure a wireless LAN http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/index.php?p=43 Greg -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:47 AM To: hwg Cc: hwg Subject: Re: [H] MAC Address Filter Turning off the said broadcast doesn't really work. I'm pretty sure the ssid is in all the packet headers so anyone with a sniffer will still see it. Same thing with filtering by mac address - the allowed macs are in all the packet headers so all you have to do is sniff and then spoof your mac address. The only true security for wireles is WPA. --- Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation Sent from my iPhone On 28-Apr-09, at 4:01 PM, Gary Jackson gjack...@visi.com wrote: Two tips I have always heard for *wireless* networks, 1) Turn off SSID broadcasting and use a unique SSID. 2) If you have a static network ( meaning that you are not adding and deleting a lot of devices ) use Mac Address Filtering. As a former Network Admin, I have not encountered the use of Mac Address Filtering as a security method for wired networks, probably because keeping it up to date would be more of a pain then it is worth. If you have disabled the wireless side of your router, I don't think you need to worry about it as it isn't accessible. Regards.Gary At 12:21 PM 4/27/2009, It was written by DHSinclair that this shall come to pass: Bino, OK. I have back thru this whole thing. Thank you for your help, but I am still confused. I see nothing in my docs for the router that explicitly indicate that using MAF is truly for WLAN only. I will dig more later today. Anyway. I can confirm that if I now drop my current clients off the MAF, none of them will ever get thru the router to the WWW. This I have confirmed several times. And, I have re-confirmed that I have all WLAN business in the router disabled; I even left the external antennas in the box! Yes, there is a new f/w available for my router (v1.9). I currently use v1.8. I have read and re-read the release notes and do NOT see any patches/bug fixes for a Wired LAN. Everything I read is for WLAN and VPN tunnels. I use neither at all. So, I see little push to update the f/w of my router ATM. But, as you have mentioned some segregation between Wired and Wireless NOW in the MAF logic, I will now go back and dig deeper.perhaps I missed something. Not like this has ever happened before.. LOL! Still listening. Best, Duncan At 09:28 04/27/2009 -0700, you wrote: Ok, going inline with BG1 before my responses; the 1 is if we continue; then those will be BG2 and so on... ;) -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DHSinclair Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:23 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] MAC Address Filter Bino, I gotta go inline below. At 15:32 04/24/2009 -0700, you wrote: According to the DGL-4300 manual (found the pdf online) the Filter settings section (Advanced - MAC Address Filter) lets you pick from filtering wireless and wired clients separate from each other p.39). OK. Fair. I will go back to the docs once again.. :) John is right that some routers usually only let you do it for wireless clients, but as it turns out yours definitely let's you do it for both. I am going to, ATM, trust you on this.. :) My router did/does NOT give me a choice between WLAN / LAN BG1 IF you have a DGL-4300, since I found the pdf manual online and it had a screenshot that clearly showed selecting b/w wireless and wired clients for the MAF, then either you have a different model which doesn't have it, or you need a firmware update to enable that. Oh and btw, your understanding of the MAF you wrote below is completely wrong (just fyi). OMG!!! Please enlighten What you described was NAT (Network Address Translation)-that's what takes the PCs on the private address space of your home network and translates them into the public IP that gives them access to the internet. And it's NOT 2-way; i.e. just b/c the PCs can access the internet, that doesn't mean that things on the internet can access your PCs. Thanks Bino. No. I do believe that NAT is THE clear concept here.. All my router's since 199x have use
Re: [H] MAC Address Filter
When I had my house built, I was able to have the house wired for Internet use in each room. For me at least, and possibly I am showing my age, I am not a big fan of wireless. Yes, I know that it is the way things are moving, but for me anyway...I prefer a wired lan and probably will stay that way as much and for as long as possible. Gary P.S. As in all thingsYMMV;-) At 01:13 PM 4/28/2009, It was written by DHSinclair that this shall come to pass: Greg, I understand this. But, somehow my original questions still appear to be un-answered. I do not need knowledge about Wire-less Router security. I do NOT use WLAN in my home. I enabled the MAC Address Filter in my router because it seemed to offer some additional security in addition to normal NAT and SPI. Apparently I was wrong. With so many comments regarding WLAN, I can only conclude that the majority of the Collective is now using WLAN.. It this a fair conclusion? (yes, a tin-hat question... :) ) I can confirm that with MAF enabled in my router, for wired-only clients, any client NOT listed will NEVER see the WWW through my router's current f/w... :) This sorta proves to me that the MAF does affect wired clients. :) So, I have 2 choices from what I've read from Greg/Brian/JRS/Gary/Rick/Bino: 1) Disable MAF---It is for WLAN ONLY. (even though my docs do NOT say this!) 2) Somehow try and figure out if MAF really does work on a Wired LAN... :) Oh, and should I ever dabbled in WLAN, I would ONLY use WPAto start with..! At 11:10 04/28/2009 -0500, you wrote: Ding ding. Disabling the SSID beacon and MAC filtering are utterly pointless. The six dumbest ways to secure a wireless LAN http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/index.php?p=43 Greg -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:47 AM To: hwg Cc: hwg Subject: Re: [H] MAC Address Filter Turning off the said broadcast doesn't really work. I'm pretty sure the ssid is in all the packet headers so anyone with a sniffer will still see it. Same thing with filtering by mac address - the allowed macs are in all the packet headers so all you have to do is sniff and then spoof your mac address. The only true security for wireles is WPA. --- Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation Sent from my iPhone On 28-Apr-09, at 4:01 PM, Gary Jackson gjack...@visi.com wrote: Two tips I have always heard for *wireless* networks, 1) Turn off SSID broadcasting and use a unique SSID. 2) If you have a static network ( meaning that you are not adding and deleting a lot of devices ) use Mac Address Filtering. As a former Network Admin, I have not encountered the use of Mac Address Filtering as a security method for wired networks, probably because keeping it up to date would be more of a pain then it is worth. If you have disabled the wireless side of your router, I don't think you need to worry about it as it isn't accessible. Regards.Gary At 12:21 PM 4/27/2009, It was written by DHSinclair that this shall come to pass: Bino, OK. I have back thru this whole thing. Thank you for your help, but I am still confused. I see nothing in my docs for the router that explicitly indicate that using MAF is truly for WLAN only. I will dig more later today. Anyway. I can confirm that if I now drop my current clients off the MAF, none of them will ever get thru the router to the WWW. This I have confirmed several times. And, I have re-confirmed that I have all WLAN business in the router disabled; I even left the external antennas in the box! Yes, there is a new f/w available for my router (v1.9). I currently use v1.8. I have read and re-read the release notes and do NOT see any patches/bug fixes for a Wired LAN. Everything I read is for WLAN and VPN tunnels. I use neither at all. So, I see little push to update the f/w of my router ATM. But, as you have mentioned some segregation between Wired and Wireless NOW in the MAF logic, I will now go back and dig deeper.perhaps I missed something. Not like this has ever happened before.. LOL! Still listening. Best, Duncan At 09:28 04/27/2009 -0700, you wrote: Ok, going inline with BG1 before my responses; the 1 is if we continue; then those will be BG2 and so on... ;) -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DHSinclair Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:23 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] MAC Address Filter Bino, I gotta go inline below. At 15:32 04/24/2009 -0700, you wrote: According to the DGL-4300 manual (found the pdf online) the Filter
Re: [H] Windows 7 ?
Hello Robert, Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 12:17:48 AM, you wrote: It's already in the wild :) I was however using a legit beta before I wiped it. lopaka I am looking forward to getting a copy of Windows 7. Not sure how I will, but I am. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... ...now these points of data make a beautiful line...
Re: [H] Windows 7 ?
I'll play with that later, I imagine on booting to the disk I hit install instead of repair and then I would get that option. But I agree with Robert on the apts but think in my main machine I am limited to XP x86 for now because of some of the older 16bit ( and maybe even 8bit) programs I use. thanks Like At 07:32 PM 4/28/2009, tmse...@rlrnews.com Poked the stick with: Oh, there is a neat trick... Forget repair install, it does an install migration, and it is slick. For those that wonder, may 4 the rc goes public. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: FORC5 fuf...@cox.net Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:18:33 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Windows 7 ? Been messing with Windows 7 a little for a month or so, not too bad I must say. Wanted to see how it handled change so I plugged the drive into a different computer, was very impressed with the repair/restore screen it takes me too other then the fact it would not repair. I suppose if it was on the same hw the repair would have been fine. Booted to the cd and attempted a repair, same result. I suppose we are not allowed to change MB's in MS's future, huh ? But this is a pre release. Have not done this with Vista, I would guess the same result but I wonder if Vista has this boot to repair option without using the disk ( like needed with XP ) This will be tested soon, server to be updated. If Vista will not repair or run I think XP64 or Server 2003 is in order to replace it. strange thing though, drive was c: in other box but saw the OS ( after driver install, OLD hw) it saw the os on E: Have no idea why. only drive in system. Only thing I can think of it is a older system with two PATA channels and supposed it was picking up E ( would be the logical 4th drive) Old Asus a7n8x deluxe, still runs the 3200 barton like a top and does OK with Vista and 2 gig ram other then I have been plagued with BSOD's, suspect Vista does not like the old HW. But it did run fine for a very long time. any one else playing with 7 ( not 7 of 9 ) :-D fp -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- In war there is no substitute for victory. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- In war there is no substitute for victory.
Re: [H] MAC Address Filter
Bino, Please excuse me. Apologies. I have searched and found a newer version of the UM for my router. Correct. It appears that my router DOES allow me to use MAF for my wired clients. I re-confirmed this in the router's MAF set-up page this morning. I also notice that since I dis-abled my Printer and NAS from outbound access, the router is logging each time either device attempts to (I assume) connect to the WWW. Now, I am trying to figure out why either of these two appliances would need to speak with anything beyond the router/gateway. The mystery (minor!) continues. Best, Duncan At 18:13 04/28/2009 -0700, you wrote: Duncan, two things that need correcting in your email (for your edification): 1) I *never* said MAF *only* works for wireless clients; in fact if you read my first email response to you, I pointed out that the manual for your router specifically offers an option to use MAF for wired clients (which is unusual since most routers usually only apply MAF to wireless clients). Just for reference: -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Bino Gopal Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 3:33 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] MAC Address Filter According to the DGL-4300 manual (found the pdf online) the Filter settings section (Advanced - MAC Address Filter) lets you pick from filtering wireless and wired clients separate from each other p.39). John is right that some routers usually only let you do it for wireless clients, but as it turns out yours definitely let's you do it for both. snip So I would say that your observations are 100% correct (that MAF blocks wired clients on your router); so MAF works for wired clients in your case since that's the behavior you are seeing! ;P 2) If and when you go wireless, you should *only* use WPA2-PSK (for your protection) as I've pointed out multiple times that even WPA is hackable in a short amount of time nowadays; WPA2 uses AES and it's just that much more secure... HTH! BINO -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DHSinclair Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:13 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] MAC Address Filter Greg, I understand this. But, somehow my original questions still appear to be un-answered. I do not need knowledge about Wire-less Router security. I do NOT use WLAN in my home. I enabled the MAC Address Filter in my router because it seemed to offer some additional security in addition to normal NAT and SPI. Apparently I was wrong. With so many comments regarding WLAN, I can only conclude that the majority of the Collective is now using WLAN.. It this a fair conclusion? (yes, a tin-hat question... :) ) I can confirm that with MAF enabled in my router, for wired-only clients, any client NOT listed will NEVER see the WWW through my router's current f/w... :) This sorta proves to me that the MAF does affect wired clients. :) So, I have 2 choices from what I've read from Greg/Brian/JRS/Gary/Rick/Bino: 1) Disable MAF---It is for WLAN ONLY. (even though my docs do NOT say this!) 2) Somehow try and figure out if MAF really does work on a Wired LAN... :) Oh, and should I ever dabbled in WLAN, I would ONLY use WPAto start with..! At 11:10 04/28/2009 -0500, you wrote: Ding ding. Disabling the SSID beacon and MAC filtering are utterly pointless. The six dumbest ways to secure a wireless LAN http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/index.php?p=43 Greg -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:47 AM To: hwg Cc: hwg Subject: Re: [H] MAC Address Filter Turning off the said broadcast doesn't really work. I'm pretty sure the ssid is in all the packet headers so anyone with a sniffer will still see it. Same thing with filtering by mac address - the allowed macs are in all the packet headers so all you have to do is sniff and then spoof your mac address. The only true security for wireles is WPA. --- Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation Sent from my iPhone On 28-Apr-09, at 4:01 PM, Gary Jackson gjack...@visi.com wrote: Two tips I have always heard for *wireless* networks, 1) Turn off SSID broadcasting and use a unique SSID. 2) If you have a static network ( meaning that you are not adding and deleting a lot of devices ) use Mac Address Filtering. As a former Network Admin, I have not encountered the use of Mac Address Filtering as a security method for wired networks, probably because keeping it up to date would be more of a pain then it is worth. If you have disabled the wireless
Re: [H] MAC Address Filter
How is the NAS set to update it's time? I believe the default is for it to sync with a time server at Netgear, which would cause the WWW access. :) -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored. From: DHSinclair dsinc...@bellsouth.net To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:11:27 AM Subject: Re: [H] MAC Address Filter Bino, Please excuse me. Apologies. I have searched and found a newer version of the UM for my router. Correct. It appears that my router DOES allow me to use MAF for my wired clients. I re-confirmed this in the router's MAF set-up page this morning. I also notice that since I dis-abled my Printer and NAS from outbound access, the router is logging each time either device attempts to (I assume) connect to the WWW. Now, I am trying to figure out why either of these two appliances would need to speak with anything beyond the router/gateway. The mystery (minor!) continues. Best, Duncan
Re: [H] MAC Address Filter
JRS, Yes, that thought did occur to me this morning. I have my NAS set to use the NIST.gov site, but I notice that the NAS still seems to phone home to Netgear sometimes anyway; perhaps when NIST is overloaded. Excellent point. I will re-enable the NAS shortly! Best, Duncan At 07:52 04/29/2009 -0700, you wrote: How is the NAS set to update it's time? I believe the default is for it to sync with a time server at Netgear, which would cause the WWW access. :) -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored. From: DHSinclair dsinc...@bellsouth.net To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:11:27 AM Subject: Re: [H] MAC Address Filter Bino, Please excuse me. Apologies. I have searched and found a newer version of the UM for my router. Correct. It appears that my router DOES allow me to use MAF for my wired clients. I re-confirmed this in the router's MAF set-up page this morning. I also notice that since I dis-abled my Printer and NAS from outbound access, the router is logging each time either device attempts to (I assume) connect to the WWW. Now, I am trying to figure out why either of these two appliances would need to speak with anything beyond the router/gateway. The mystery (minor!) continues. Best, Duncan __ NOD32 4042 (20090429) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Re: [H] Windows 7 ?
Read this**\ April 27, 2009 (Computerworld) Ever since Bill Gates stepped down and Steve Ballmer took over his role, Microsoft has been getting one thing after another wrong. Vista continues to be a disaster both for users and for the company's bottom line. And Microsoft's ad campaign last year, starring Gates and Jerry Seinfeld http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicarticleId=9114538, is already a model of how /not/ to do television advertising. Somehow, though, after years of stumbling around like a drunken college freshman after an NCAA basketball win, Microsoft is getting its act together. First, Microsoft has reluctantly -- oh how reluctantly -- brought back Windows XP. Officially, Microsoft has cut XP support http://blogs.computerworld.com/good_bye_xp_hello_windows_7. Unofficially, hardware vendors such as Hewlett-Packard aren't going to let XP die anytime soon. You'll still be getting new PCs with XP on them well into 2010 http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicarticleId=9131191, and I wouldn't be surprised to see fresh copies of XP appearing in 2011. Microsoft finally got it. No one with two brain cells wants Vista. What's more amazing to me, though, is that Microsoft finally figured out that after Vista, no one wants a long, drawn-out rollout of a new Windows operating system. So, instead of orchestrating its traditional years-long series of preannouncements and announcements, Microsoft is just focusing on getting Windows 7 -- a.k.a. Vista Lite -- out as fast as possible, with as little official fanfare as possible. That doesn't mean Microsoft hasn't been advertising Windows 7. But buying time on television and space in magazines might make more people realize just how thoroughly Microsoft has given up on Vista. Instead, Microsoft is advertising the upcoming release by leaking betas http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicarticleId=9124399 almost every week -- and will soon do the same with release-candidate builds. It's funny that some people actually think that anyone is pirating Windows 7 betas. It's clear that Microsoft is deliberately leaking them to build up buzz around the new operating system. Don't believe me? Then why does Microsoft give away free authentication keys that will let /any/ copy of Windows 7 work? If the company didn't want those copies of Windows 7 out there, it wouldn't do that. This tactic is fairly subtle: By making people work -- but not too hard -- to get copies of Windows 7, Microsoft is leading them to believe that they're onto something special. And since it has been a long, long time since anyone thought there was something special about Windows, this is savvy marketing on Microsoft's part. (Mind you, I've been running Windows 7 for quite some time now on a variety of test boxes, and it's not all that great. It's better than Vista, but that's really not saying much. For my money, XP SP3 is still the best of the Windows family.) Finally, Microsoft has also come up with a winning set of TV ads. The ones with the cute kids are, well, cute, and the Mac attack ads do make the point that PCs really are cheaper than Apple's proprietary hardware. However, if you're a thinking user, you'll realize that you get what you pay for and that Macs really are better than low-cost PCs. And if you're a thinking user who wants a really low-cost PC, you don't want Windows anyway -- you want desktop Linux. But Microsoft's ads aren't meant for savvy computer users. They're meant for home users with XP Home and Conficker on their PCs. As long as you don't look too closely at Microsoft's offerings, its new marketing and ads are making Windows look good again. Who would have thought that Microsoft could pull the wool over even dumb users' eyes again? That, nevertheless, is what it's managing to do. /*Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols* has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was cutting-edge and 300bit/sec. was a fast Internet connection -- and we liked it! He can be reached at s...@vna1.com mailto:s...@vna1.com./ Joe User wrote: Hello Robert, Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 12:17:48 AM, you wrote: It's already in the wild :) I was however using a legit beta before I wiped it. lopaka I am looking forward to getting a copy of Windows 7. Not sure how I will, but I am. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.6/2084 - Release Date: 04/28/09 06:15:00
[H] Acronis True Image deal?
I can get Acronis True Image Home 2009 for $29.65. Is this a good price? It seems the consensus here was that his was a pretty good package (best?) for backup and imaging. I thought it may be nice to get Disk Director 10 too but adding that would bring the total to $79.64. Is DD worth the extra money? Anyone know of any package deals for the two that would work out cheaper? Thanks! -- Gary http://www.twigsandtracks.com Twigs snap and tracks fade, a photograph reacquaints
Re: [H] Windows 7 ?
- Original Message - From: Sam Franc Read this**\ April 27, 2009 (Computerworld) /*Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols* has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was cutting-edge and 300bit/sec. was a fast Internet connection -- and we liked it! He can be reached at Sam, I skimmed over the intro and thought you wrote that... While I use XP-Pro_SP3 the most, I'm warming up to Vista. They had to jamb it into my hands inside Laptops, and it took some work to get used to, but it grows on you... Rick Glazier
[H] Which 1TB(ish) drive to use in RAID-1 setup?
I'm looking for something relatively inexpensive, quiet and cool to put into my system to take over for a 250GB and 350GB drive I have that aren't in raid. I'm thinking 2x 1TB drives and setting them up as RAID-1. It's going into my system which has 4 drives relatively close together. The WD Caviar I was looking at for $104 at newegg has some feature called deep recovery cycle which causes it to drop out of raid. http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1397p_created=1131638613 I'd prefer to pay as close to $200 as possible for the 2 drives, but if I can't get anything that low or any quality for that low of a price, I'm willing to go higher. What do you guys recommend now for drives? I've got a pair of seagate 7200.11 750GB drives in this computer, I suppose I could go with another pair of those, I've been happy with them but they aren't super fast or quiet. Christopher Fisk -- BOFH Excuse #205: Quantum dynamics are affecting the transistors -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [H] Acronis True Image deal?
That is a decent price. (I've done better, but you have to strike while the iron is hot...) Acronis will not honor any GREAT deals that are basically hacks or mutiple sales of the SAME install key, so be careful where you buy. (I only read their announcements, no experience in getting robbed.) Once you are a customer, they offer deals and discounts. I have both. They do different things. Rick Glazier From: Gary Udstrand I can get Acronis True Image Home 2009 for $29.65. Is this a good price? It seems the consensus here was that his was a pretty good package (best?) for backup and imaging. I thought it may be nice to get Disk Director 10 too but adding that would bring the total to $79.64. Is DD worth the extra money? Anyone know of any package deals for the two that would work out cheaper?
Re: [H] Acronis True Image deal?
I'm not as hot on disk director, its handy but you need it once a blue moon. But true image is 100% worth $29. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Gary Udstrand g...@digitalwind.net Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:59:21 To: The Hardware Listhardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Acronis True Image deal? I can get Acronis True Image Home 2009 for $29.65. Is this a good price? It seems the consensus here was that his was a pretty good package (best?) for backup and imaging. I thought it may be nice to get Disk Director 10 too but adding that would bring the total to $79.64. Is DD worth the extra money? Anyone know of any package deals for the two that would work out cheaper? Thanks! -- Gary http://www.twigsandtracks.com Twigs snap and tracks fade, a photograph reacquaints
Re: [H] Which 1TB(ish) drive to use in RAID-1 setup?
I wanted a good warranty for the drives in my RAID setup, so I have a pair of WD Black 1Tb drives in one NAS and a pair of Seagate 1 Tb drives in the other. Both are 5 yr warranty drives... The WD's are only 104 bucks right now at NewEgg. The Netgear came with one Seagate, so I bought the matching drive for it, otherwise it would have 2 of the WD Blacks in it as well. :) -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored. From: Christopher Fisk chr...@mhonline.net To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:46:00 AM Subject: [H] Which 1TB(ish) drive to use in RAID-1 setup? I'm looking for something relatively inexpensive, quiet and cool to put into my system to take over for a 250GB and 350GB drive I have that aren't in raid. I'm thinking 2x 1TB drives and setting them up as RAID-1. It's going into my system which has 4 drives relatively close together. The WD Caviar I was looking at for $104 at newegg has some feature called deep recovery cycle which causes it to drop out of raid. http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1397p_created=1131638613 I'd prefer to pay as close to $200 as possible for the 2 drives, but if I can't get anything that low or any quality for that low of a price, I'm willing to go higher. What do you guys recommend now for drives? I've got a pair of seagate 7200.11 750GB drives in this computer, I suppose I could go with another pair of those, I've been happy with them but they aren't super fast or quiet. Christopher Fisk -- BOFH Excuse #205: Quantum dynamics are affecting the transistors -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [H] Acronis True Image deal?
Maximum PC loves Acronis True Image and I was considering getting this as well. Where did you see this good price? - Original Message - From: tmse...@rlrnews.com To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:14 Subject: Re: [H] Acronis True Image deal? I'm not as hot on disk director, its handy but you need it once a blue moon. But true image is 100% worth $29. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Gary Udstrand g...@digitalwind.net Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:59:21 To: The Hardware Listhardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Acronis True Image deal? I can get Acronis True Image Home 2009 for $29.65. Is this a good price? It seems the consensus here was that his was a pretty good package (best?) for backup and imaging. I thought it may be nice to get Disk Director 10 too but adding that would bring the total to $79.64. Is DD worth the extra money? Anyone know of any package deals for the two that would work out cheaper? Thanks! -- Gary http://www.twigsandtracks.com Twigs snap and tracks fade, a photograph reacquaints
Re: [H] Which 1TB(ish) drive to use in RAID-1 setup?
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, JRS wrote: I wanted a good warranty for the drives in my RAID setup, so I have a pair of WD Black 1Tb drives in one NAS and a pair of Seagate 1 Tb drives in the other. Both are 5 yr warranty drives... The WD's are only 104 bucks right now at NewEgg. The Netgear came with one Seagate, so I bought the matching drive for it, otherwise it would have 2 of the WD Blacks in it as well. :) I was looking at the blacks, mentioned it in my post I thought. The issue I have with that is that WD says not to use them in a raid because of the Deep Recovery Cycle. I assume if the drive is going into deep recovery cycle they are getting close to death anyways and I shouldn't notice any problems? Christopher Fisk -- [Brian is working as a guide dog and has taken a blind man to see The Blair Witch Project] Brian: Okay, they're - they're in the woods. The camera keeps on moving. Uh... I think they're looking for some witch or something; I don't know, I wasn't listening. Nothing's happening. Nothing's happening. Something about a map. Nothing's happening. It's over. A lot of people in the audience look pissed. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [H] Which 1TB(ish) drive to use in RAID-1 setup?
Hmm. I guess I am unaware of this Deep Recovery Cycle. I bought them since they seemed to be dependable drive from what I read... Mine have been flawless so far. This description makes them sound pretty good... The Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB Hard Drive is top-of-the-line 7200 RPM high-capacity drive for your PC. Its dual processors and breakthrough 32 MB cache makes this hard drive suitable for high-performance home and business computing, as it can handle high-end data-intensive and multimedia applications. This hard drive incorporates WD’s Data Lifeguard, an exclusive set of data protection features, including shock protection, environmental protection, real-time embedded error detection and repair. Its mechanism ensures automatic discovery, isolation, and repair of problems which may develop in a hard drive. -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored. From: Christopher Fisk chr...@mhonline.net To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:36:35 AM Subject: Re: [H] Which 1TB(ish) drive to use in RAID-1 setup? On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, JRS wrote: I wanted a good warranty for the drives in my RAID setup, so I have a pair of WD Black 1Tb drives in one NAS and a pair of Seagate 1 Tb drives in the other. Both are 5 yr warranty drives... The WD's are only 104 bucks right now at NewEgg. The Netgear came with one Seagate, so I bought the matching drive for it, otherwise it would have 2 of the WD Blacks in it as well. :) I was looking at the blacks, mentioned it in my post I thought. The issue I have with that is that WD says not to use them in a raid because of the Deep Recovery Cycle. I assume if the drive is going into deep recovery cycle they are getting close to death anyways and I shouldn't notice any problems? Christopher Fisk -- [Brian is working as a guide dog and has taken a blind man to see The Blair Witch Project] Brian: Okay, they're - they're in the woods. The camera keeps on moving. Uh... I think they're looking for some witch or something; I don't know, I wasn't listening. Nothing's happening. Nothing's happening. Something about a map. Nothing's happening. It's over. A lot of people in the audience look pissed. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [H] Which 1TB(ish) drive to use in RAID-1 setup?
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, JRS wrote: protection, real-time embedded error detection and repair. Its The real-time embedded error detection and repair is the deep recovery cycle thing I was talking about. Essentially it puts the drive into error mode for upto 30 seconds, which if the raid controller is trying to talk to it is long enough to cause it to be dropped from the array. I like the price point though. If they end up giving me problems in raid if I get them I'll just use them without raid. I just was given 2 older servers with 3TB worth of SCSI enterprise drives in each in a raid-5 configuration. I suppose I can toss that server in an out of the way area and just do network backups. Christopher Fisk -- Kirk: One day your wife is making you your favorite meal, the next day you're thawin'a hot dog in a gas station sink. Homer: Oh, that's tough, pal. But it's never gonna happen to me. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [H] Acronis True Image deal?
wow, the folks on Amazon have no love for this program: http://www.amazon.com/Acronis-True-Image-Backup-Recovery/product-reviews/B001DSGXFY/ref=cm_cr_dp_hist_1?ie=UTF8showViewpoints=0filterBy=addOneStar - Original Message - From: Veech ve...@earthlink.net To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:37 Subject: Re: [H] Acronis True Image deal? Maximum PC loves Acronis True Image and I was considering getting this as well. Where did you see this good price? - Original Message - From: tmse...@rlrnews.com To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:14 Subject: Re: [H] Acronis True Image deal? I'm not as hot on disk director, its handy but you need it once a blue moon. But true image is 100% worth $29. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Gary Udstrand g...@digitalwind.net Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:59:21 To: The Hardware Listhardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Acronis True Image deal? I can get Acronis True Image Home 2009 for $29.65. Is this a good price? It seems the consensus here was that his was a pretty good package (best?) for backup and imaging. I thought it may be nice to get Disk Director 10 too but adding that would bring the total to $79.64. Is DD worth the extra money? Anyone know of any package deals for the two that would work out cheaper? Thanks! -- Gary http://www.twigsandtracks.com Twigs snap and tracks fade, a photograph reacquaints
Re: [H] Acronis True Image deal?
Generally, most people who like something say nothing. Those who hate it say a lot. I haven't used ti home, but ti echo workstation dices up everything else I've seen. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Veech ve...@earthlink.net Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:46:08 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Acronis True Image deal? wow, the folks on Amazon have no love for this program: http://www.amazon.com/Acronis-True-Image-Backup-Recovery/product-reviews/B001DSGXFY/ref=cm_cr_dp_hist_1?ie=UTF8showViewpoints=0filterBy=addOneStar - Original Message - From: Veech ve...@earthlink.net To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:37 Subject: Re: [H] Acronis True Image deal? Maximum PC loves Acronis True Image and I was considering getting this as well. Where did you see this good price? - Original Message - From: tmse...@rlrnews.com To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:14 Subject: Re: [H] Acronis True Image deal? I'm not as hot on disk director, its handy but you need it once a blue moon. But true image is 100% worth $29. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Gary Udstrand g...@digitalwind.net Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:59:21 To: The Hardware Listhardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Acronis True Image deal? I can get Acronis True Image Home 2009 for $29.65. Is this a good price? It seems the consensus here was that his was a pretty good package (best?) for backup and imaging. I thought it may be nice to get Disk Director 10 too but adding that would bring the total to $79.64. Is DD worth the extra money? Anyone know of any package deals for the two that would work out cheaper? Thanks! -- Gary http://www.twigsandtracks.com Twigs snap and tracks fade, a photograph reacquaints
Re: [H] Which 1TB(ish) drive to use in RAID-1 setup?
I'm very happy with the 1 TB Samsung Spinpoint F1s I have in my RAID. Currently using 5 of them. On 4/29/09, Christopher Fisk chr...@mhonline.net wrote: On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, JRS wrote: protection, real-time embedded error detection and repair. Its The real-time embedded error detection and repair is the deep recovery cycle thing I was talking about. Essentially it puts the drive into error mode for upto 30 seconds, which if the raid controller is trying to talk to it is long enough to cause it to be dropped from the array. I like the price point though. If they end up giving me problems in raid if I get them I'll just use them without raid. I just was given 2 older servers with 3TB worth of SCSI enterprise drives in each in a raid-5 configuration. I suppose I can toss that server in an out of the way area and just do network backups. Christopher Fisk -- Kirk: One day your wife is making you your favorite meal, the next day you're thawin'a hot dog in a gas station sink. Homer:Oh, that's tough, pal. But it's never gonna happen to me. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [H] MAC Address Filter
Gary, Like you, I share both your age and home design choices. No harm! No Foul !!! I remain totally wired until someone can convince me otherwise. You have me 1-up! My LAN is CAT6 IS running down the hall between my GBit switches and router. One day, I may hire the contractor to put it in the walls. Some day soon. :) Thank you. I know someone else that at present does WIRED. I was beginning to think I may have become a last of a dying breedVery nice to know that Wired is NOT such a BAD thing!!! Best, Duncan At 07:17 04/29/2009 -0500, you wrote: When I had my house built, I was able to have the house wired for Internet use in each room. For me at least, and possibly I am showing my age, I am not a big fan of wireless. Yes, I know that it is the way things are moving, but for me anyway...I prefer a wired lan and probably will stay that way as much and for as long as possible. Gary P.S. As in all thingsYMMV;-) snip
Re: [H] Which 1TB(ish) drive to use in RAID-1 setup?
You might search around for the TLER utility. TLER (Time Limited Error Recovery) is the feature on their RAID Edition (RE) drives that limits the time that they will spend attempting to read/write a bad sector to 7 seconds. The idea is to tell the controller that the sector is bad and let it recover it based on redundant data, rather than have the whole drive drop. I haven't played with WD's absolute latest drives, but you could run the TLER utility on their older desktop-line drives to enable it. All 12 of the WD5000AAKS drives in my RAID6 array have the TLER set to 7 seconds. Greg -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Fisk Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:13 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Which 1TB(ish) drive to use in RAID-1 setup? On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, JRS wrote: protection, real-time embedded error detection and repair. Its The real-time embedded error detection and repair is the deep recovery cycle thing I was talking about. Essentially it puts the drive into error mode for upto 30 seconds, which if the raid controller is trying to talk to it is long enough to cause it to be dropped from the array. I like the price point though. If they end up giving me problems in raid if I get them I'll just use them without raid. I just was given 2 older servers with 3TB worth of SCSI enterprise drives in each in a raid-5 configuration. I suppose I can toss that server in an out of the way area and just do network backups. Christopher Fisk -- Kirk: One day your wife is making you your favorite meal, the next day you're thawin'a hot dog in a gas station sink. Homer:Oh, that's tough, pal. But it's never gonna happen to me. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [H] Windows 7 ?
I like Vista also. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Rick Glazier Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:39 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Windows 7 ? - Original Message - From: Sam Franc Read this**\ April 27, 2009 (Computerworld) /*Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols* has been writing about technology and the business of technology since CP/M-80 was cutting-edge and 300bit/sec. was a fast Internet connection -- and we liked it! He can be reached at Sam, I skimmed over the intro and thought you wrote that... While I use XP-Pro_SP3 the most, I'm warming up to Vista. They had to jamb it into my hands inside Laptops, and it took some work to get used to, but it grows on you... Rick Glazier
Re: [H] Acronis True Image deal?
A while back, I switched to Acronis (version 7, I think) from Ghost. AT that time, I liked Acrosis better than Ghost. But then Ghost came out with some better features and I switched back. Acronis finally caught up (around version 9 or so), but I have stuck with Ghost. I think they are relatively on par. Once in a while I see ATI for about $20. And every now and then, I see a Norton NIS, Norton Ghost, and something else bundle for free after MIR and upgrade MIR. Bobby -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Gary Udstrand Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 12:59 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: [H] Acronis True Image deal? I can get Acronis True Image Home 2009 for $29.65. Is this a good price? It seems the consensus here was that his was a pretty good package (best?) for backup and imaging. I thought it may be nice to get Disk Director 10 too but adding that would bring the total to $79.64. Is DD worth the extra money? Anyone know of any package deals for the two that would work out cheaper? Thanks! -- Gary http://www.twigsandtracks.com Twigs snap and tracks fade, a photograph reacquaints
Re: [H] MAC Address Filter
Hi Duncan, We might be the last hold outs on wireless :-)Anyway, the last network class I took at the University I was attending ( about 2 years ago now ) one of the things talked about by the prof was that basically the point wasn't that wireless networking didn't always work well, but that it worked at all. There are so many things that can go wrong with it. I guess the thing that has always appealed to me with a wired network is that it has collision detection vs collision avoidance that wireless has to use. My vision is way to poor ( I have Macular Degeneration ) to use a laptop, so having a wired desktop pc is my best option. lol RegardsGary At 05:32 PM 4/29/2009, It was written by DHSinclair that this shall come to pass: Gary, Like you, I share both your age and home design choices. No harm! No Foul !!! I remain totally wired until someone can convince me otherwise. You have me 1-up! My LAN is CAT6 IS running down the hall between my GBit switches and router. One day, I may hire the contractor to put it in the walls. Some day soon. :) Thank you. I know someone else that at present does WIRED. I was beginning to think I may have become a last of a dying breedVery nice to know that Wired is NOT such a BAD thing!!! Best, Duncan At 07:17 04/29/2009 -0500, you wrote: When I had my house built, I was able to have the house wired for Internet use in each room. For me at least, and possibly I am showing my age, I am not a big fan of wireless. Yes, I know that it is the way things are moving, but for me anyway...I prefer a wired lan and probably will stay that way as much and for as long as possible. Gary P.S. As in all thingsYMMV;-) snip
[H] Video card fan problems
I have two ASUS EAH4870 video cards installed. One I bought last December, and one in September. The December one's fan went out at the beginning of this month. One day I sat down to my computer, and it had turned it self off overnight. Every time I turned it on it would work for a while and then shut down. Eventually, I figured out that the video cards fan wasn't always working, and when it went off it would get hot and the motherboard would shut the PC down. I RMA'd it . The card came back yesterday, I installed it, things worked fine until a few hours ago at which time my PC turned off. Once again the fan was off and would not turn on after powering off and on. I called Asus and once again I am RMAing it. sigh Could it possibly be anything else that is causing this? I asked them if they could just send me a new fan to install but no.. I have to spend another 10-15 bucks sending it back to them. I am beginning to think I should put my own fan on it, even if it would void the warranty, but where would I find something like that? They must be highly engineered. I feel like I am screwed here, and am going to go another two plus weeks with out my other monitors just because some guy didn't replace the fan the first time.
Re: [H] MAC Address Filter
Gary, I will go inline to your send At 20:29 04/29/2009 -0500, you wrote: Hi Duncan, We might be the last hold outs on wireless :-) You could be very correct! But, I suspect that there are still many lurkers and others that still play wired. Perhaps not wired-only like I choose to live, .but, whatever. The planet continues to rotate, I think. :) Anyway, the last network class I took at the University I was attending ( about 2 years ago now ) one of the things talked about by the prof was that basically the point wasn't that wireless networking didn't always work well, but that it worked at all. There are so many things that can go wrong with it. You are now 1 great step above me. All that I have learned/gleaned about network came to me via past experience and this List channel. I will admit somewhat confused for my comprehension and shares since ~198x, but, so far my wired network remains solid(mostly). :) I guess the thing that has always appealed to me with a wired network is that it has collision detection vs collision avoidance that wireless has to use. Agree completely. And, mostly why I chose Intel for NICs after reading many hours of List traffic way back when.. I always believed that letting whatever network devices fight-it-out in a closed network worked best. I am old school. :) My vision is way to poor ( I have Macular Degeneration ) to use a laptop, so having a wired desktop pc is my best option. lol Please do NOT apologize for any local situation. Not necessary. After all these years, we have to believe ALL of us have gotten older. And, we all are/will be subject to lifes possibilities. I do fear MD personally. If it happens here, so be it. still the best wired ride I have ever had! When I get around to doing a home re-wire I will jingle your addy for suggestions just because you have already been there and done what I still wish to do... :) My very best to you and yours! Best, Duncan RegardsGary At 05:32 PM 4/29/2009, It was written by DHSinclair that this shall come to pass: Gary, Like you, I share both your age and home design choices. No harm! No Foul !!! I remain totally wired until someone can convince me otherwise. You have me 1-up! My LAN is CAT6 IS running down the hall between my GBit switches and router. One day, I may hire the contractor to put it in the walls. Some day soon. :) Thank you. I know someone else that at present does WIRED. I was beginning to think I may have become a last of a dying breedVery nice to know that Wired is NOT such a BAD thing!!! Best, Duncan At 07:17 04/29/2009 -0500, you wrote: When I had my house built, I was able to have the house wired for Internet use in each room. For me at least, and possibly I am showing my age, I am not a big fan of wireless. Yes, I know that it is the way things are moving, but for me anyway...I prefer a wired lan and probably will stay that way as much and for as long as possible. Gary P.S. As in all thingsYMMV;-) snip __ NOD32 4043 (20090429) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Re: [H] Video card fan problems
Winterlight, From your send, THE card you got back from the original RMA is now WhoKnows. If this card still works, except for temps, put a better cooler on it and go. Kiss the warranty goodbye! What warranty are you worried about? Most of those warranties die prior to the buyer (you) level. Well, as I read this List anywho..and personal experience!... :) Key part is to be sure that the GPU did not become unhappy. A tough call, yes, I know. And, I suppose with all these modern video cards, my suggestion may not be as easy as in the old days. Replacement coolers could be tough to find..Modern tech can still be a giant PITA! Luck Bro... Best, Duncan At 19:16 04/29/2009 -0700, you wrote: I have two ASUS EAH4870 video cards installed. One I bought last December, and one in September. The December one's fan went out at the beginning of this month. One day I sat down to my computer, and it had turned it self off overnight. Every time I turned it on it would work for a while and then shut down. Eventually, I figured out that the video cards fan wasn't always working, and when it went off it would get hot and the motherboard would shut the PC down. I RMA'd it . The card came back yesterday, I installed it, things worked fine until a few hours ago at which time my PC turned off. Once again the fan was off and would not turn on after powering off and on. I called Asus and once again I am RMAing it. sigh Could it possibly be anything else that is causing this? I asked them if they could just send me a new fan to install but no.. I have to spend another 10-15 bucks sending it back to them. I am beginning to think I should put my own fan on it, even if it would void the warranty, but where would I find something like that? They must be highly engineered. I feel like I am screwed here, and am going to go another two plus weeks with out my other monitors just because some guy didn't replace the fan the first time. __ NOD32 4043 (20090429) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
