Re: [H] -OT- Can anyone explain Norton's new ad campaign?
Personally I like SAV CE 10.x since it's just AV keeps on updating w/o needing $$$ annual renewals. They can keep all that integrated crap IMHO and I refuse to use any AV that holds customers hostage for ransom on updates after 1 year no matter how good. So the issues I'm running into with a pressing requirement of acquiring legit Symantec SAV Corporate 10.2 for some customers are: 1. Does any legit seller actually stocking with SAVCE 10.2 single license? They all got SAV Business 5-packs or larger, no SAVCE singles! 2. Symantec's site is not clear how/if SAV Business packs differ from the single license SAVCE by *needing* $$$ annual service renewals activation to keep updating. Would really like to get a source because I have several clients who need AV in a business setting and SAVCE 10.2 is my choice. Soren wrote: snip For corporate use, Norton/Symantec still kicks. Updates are still #one in the business.
Re: [H] -OT- Can anyone explain Norton's new ad campaign?
I personally gave up on SAV ( which I really liked ) when it started telling me most of my tools were *hacker* tools and started deleting them .(DUH) Ways to stop it but it P'ed me off so none of my systems are currently using SAV 10. FWIW McAfee does the same thing and does not ask permission. Not sure about the newer Norton, even though I am a Symantec beta tester I have basically NOT tested any of their newer stuff except am playing with the new ghost hoping it will replace the old reliable. fp At 02:19 AM 9/16/2009, maccrawj Poked the stick with: Personally I like SAV CE 10.x since it's just AV keeps on updating w/o needing $$$ annual renewals. They can keep all that integrated crap IMHO and I refuse to use any AV that holds customers hostage for ransom on updates after 1 year no matter how good. So the issues I'm running into with a pressing requirement of acquiring legit Symantec SAV Corporate 10.2 for some customers are: 1. Does any legit seller actually stocking with SAVCE 10.2 single license? They all got SAV Business 5-packs or larger, no SAVCE singles! 2. Symantec's site is not clear how/if SAV Business packs differ from the single license SAVCE by *needing* $$$ annual service renewals activation to keep updating. Would really like to get a source because I have several clients who need AV in a business setting and SAVCE 10.2 is my choice. Soren wrote: snip For corporate use, Norton/Symantec still kicks. Updates are still #one in the business. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4428 (20090916) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Golfer: A person who hits and lies.
[H] Bridges
Moving to a new house and my shop will be detached so my LAN will not be wired anymore until I can bury some cable so I figured a bridge would be better then just WIFY card ( for customer boxes ) Distance is not that far but will be a couple of weeks b4 I can test it. ( not closed yet) Had a older wrt54gs router, dl'ed the after market firmware. I'm impressed but not sure what kind of range I can expect. Works really good though seems slow. Would a store bought N class do any better then a old 54gs ? Also, maybe dumb question, does a bridge give access without having to input security to wify devices ? or do they have to be manually connected like I had to do with my N router ? FWIW the bridge did not detect my Wii thanks FP -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- I've had BETA days ... and nights.
Re: [H] -OT- Can anyone explain Norton's new ad campaign?
Symantec has an exclusions list for stuff you want un-touched. I find it easier to keep the files somewhere else. (Or store them in encripted archives.) Rick Glazier From: FORC5 Not sure about the newer Norton,
Re: [H] Bridges
FP, What do you suppose the distance between the out bldg and the main house connection point is? Seems simpler to just string a LAN cable between roof corners and into some window(s). Understand formal burying the cable later on... :) Congrats!!! Nice pix of the new 20. Best, Duncan FORC5 wrote: Moving to a new house and my shop will be detached so my LAN will not be wired anymore until I can bury some cable so I figured a bridge would be better then just WIFY card ( for customer boxes ) Distance is not that far but will be a couple of weeks b4 I can test it. ( not closed yet) Had a older wrt54gs router, dl'ed the after market firmware. I'm impressed but not sure what kind of range I can expect. Works really good though seems slow. Would a store bought N class do any better then a old 54gs ? Also, maybe dumb question, does a bridge give access without having to input security to wify devices ? or do they have to be manually connected like I had to do with my N router ? FWIW the bridge did not detect my Wii thanks FP
Re: [H] -OT- Can anyone explain Norton's new ad campaign?
understand but if I forget to turn SAV off b4 plugging a thumb drive into a customer box, wam. combofix is just gone :'( it is not a virus or spyware and should be none of SAV business fp At 07:48 AM 9/16/2009, Rick Glazier Poked the stick with: Symantec has an exclusions list for stuff you want un-touched. I find it easier to keep the files somewhere else. (Or store them in encripted archives.) Rick Glazier From: FORC5 Not sure about the newer Norton, __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4430 (20090916) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Security is a game where final goal is never reached.
Re: [H] Bridges
yeah the wife is gonna allow that :'( actually not exactly sure of the distance, probably no more then 50 feet even if I put the puter bench on the far side of the detached garage which is the plan. Lath has to go where the 220 line is but things are loose. Actually thinking of pre wiring some cat5 b4 I put up the sheetrock just to be ahead of myself but it is hard to know exactly what is the best course at this time. Have not taken possession yet. thanks fp At 07:52 AM 9/16/2009, DSinc Poked the stick with: FP, What do you suppose the distance between the out bldg and the main house connection point is? Seems simpler to just string a LAN cable between roof corners and into some window(s). Understand formal burying the cable later on... :) Congrats!!! Nice pix of the new 20. Best, Duncan FORC5 wrote: Moving to a new house and my shop will be detached so my LAN will not be wired anymore until I can bury some cable so I figured a bridge would be better then just WIFY card ( for customer boxes ) Distance is not that far but will be a couple of weeks b4 I can test it. ( not closed yet) Had a older wrt54gs router, dl'ed the after market firmware. I'm impressed but not sure what kind of range I can expect. Works really good though seems slow. Would a store bought N class do any better then a old 54gs ? Also, maybe dumb question, does a bridge give access without having to input security to wify devices ? or do they have to be manually connected like I had to do with my N router ? FWIW the bridge did not detect my Wii thanks FP __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4430 (20090916) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Security is a game where final goal is never reached.
[H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
Has anyone seen the N9000 phone? I just read some reviews, specs, developer docs, and saw some videos on this phone and it seems amazing! Anyone have access to this phone or know of anyone with one? Seems like it's not released yet but usually phones find their way to the market early. In case you haven’t seen the phone here are some links http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/hands-on-nokia-n900-review-631040 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE Quick highlights for me personally are - Debian based linux OS - Updates to everything over the air - Killer UI - Full flash support in a full Mozilla based browser - Very nice hardware specs in every facet i.e. camera, storage, processor, screen, graphics hardware accelerator, etc - Real multi tasking OS and interface - Get root shell on the device All in all this device seems to be created as a mobile computer because of Maemo's roots as a tablet PC OS. So the phone is just treated as a platform and hardware to run the OS. For example you can just not use the phone at all and make all your calls via Skype over Wifi or 3g connectivity. Looks like finally a no strings attached phone. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- Protected by Websense Hosted Email Security -- www.websense.com
Re: [H] -OT- Can anyone explain Norton's new ad campaign?
Sorry, I forgot about using stuff other places. (I rarely do.) (And about - how you would un-pack it there.) But, I can't agree with the rest. They have to draw the line in the sand somewhere. One persons' hacking stuff is someone else's fix'in tools... grin Rick Glazier From: FORC5 it is not a virus or spyware and should be none of SAV business
Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
I like Nokia and have an N81. What I don't like is that Nokia has been pressured by mobile carriers to remove the built-in SIP support on all the newer models. When I walk in at home or at work my N81 auto sychs up with my asterisk server via wireless, and I can make totally free unlimited calls using google voice anywhere in the continental U.S. The phone becomes an extension to the system whenever internet connectivity is available. We got off monthly mobile plan to pay-per-minutes since we can still use the nokia phones through WiFi. Now I pay about $8 a month for my cellular service :) lopaka --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com wrote: From: Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com Subject: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com hardware@hardwaregroup.com Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 9:03 AM Has anyone seen the N9000 phone? I just read some reviews, specs, developer docs, and saw some videos on this phone and it seems amazing! Anyone have access to this phone or know of anyone with one? Seems like it's not released yet but usually phones find their way to the market early. In case you haven’t seen the phone here are some links http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/hands-on-nokia-n900-review-631040 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE Quick highlights for me personally are - Debian based linux OS - Updates to everything over the air - Killer UI - Full flash support in a full Mozilla based browser - Very nice hardware specs in every facet i.e. camera, storage, processor, screen, graphics hardware accelerator, etc - Real multi tasking OS and interface - Get root shell on the device All in all this device seems to be created as a mobile computer because of Maemo's roots as a tablet PC OS. So the phone is just treated as a platform and hardware to run the OS. For example you can just not use the phone at all and make all your calls via Skype over Wifi or 3g connectivity. Looks like finally a no strings attached phone. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- Protected by Websense Hosted Email Security -- www.websense.com
Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
That’s not a limitation of this nokia. Anyone could write a SIP application in fact someone wrote something for Google voice already http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/dialcentral/ Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Robert Martin Jr. Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:00 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? I like Nokia and have an N81. What I don't like is that Nokia has been pressured by mobile carriers to remove the built-in SIP support on all the newer models. When I walk in at home or at work my N81 auto sychs up with my asterisk server via wireless, and I can make totally free unlimited calls using google voice anywhere in the continental U.S. The phone becomes an extension to the system whenever internet connectivity is available. We got off monthly mobile plan to pay-per-minutes since we can still use the nokia phones through WiFi. Now I pay about $8 a month for my cellular service :) lopaka --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com wrote: From: Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com Subject: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com hardware@hardwaregroup.com Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 9:03 AM Has anyone seen the N9000 phone? I just read some reviews, specs, developer docs, and saw some videos on this phone and it seems amazing! Anyone have access to this phone or know of anyone with one? Seems like it's not released yet but usually phones find their way to the market early. In case you haven’t seen the phone here are some links http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/hands-on-nokia-n900-review-631040 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE Quick highlights for me personally are - Debian based linux OS - Updates to everything over the air - Killer UI - Full flash support in a full Mozilla based browser - Very nice hardware specs in every facet i.e. camera, storage, processor, screen, graphics hardware accelerator, etc - Real multi tasking OS and interface - Get root shell on the device All in all this device seems to be created as a mobile computer because of Maemo's roots as a tablet PC OS. So the phone is just treated as a platform and hardware to run the OS. For example you can just not use the phone at all and make all your calls via Skype over Wifi or 3g connectivity. Looks like finally a no strings attached phone. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- Protected by Websense Hosted Email Security -- www.websense.com
Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
Unless your device isn't allowed to have such pieces of software, like the iPhone. Which is why my iPhone is *cough* modified *cough*. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com wrote: That’s not a limitation of this nokia. Anyone could write a SIP application in fact someone wrote something for Google voice already http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/dialcentral/ Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Robert Martin Jr. Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:00 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? I like Nokia and have an N81. What I don't like is that Nokia has been pressured by mobile carriers to remove the built-in SIP support on all the newer models. When I walk in at home or at work my N81 auto sychs up with my asterisk server via wireless, and I can make totally free unlimited calls using google voice anywhere in the continental U.S. The phone becomes an extension to the system whenever internet connectivity is available. We got off monthly mobile plan to pay-per-minutes since we can still use the nokia phones through WiFi. Now I pay about $8 a month for my cellular service :) lopaka --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com wrote: From: Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com Subject: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com hardware@hardwaregroup.com Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 9:03 AM Has anyone seen the N9000 phone? I just read some reviews, specs, developer docs, and saw some videos on this phone and it seems amazing! Anyone have access to this phone or know of anyone with one? Seems like it's not released yet but usually phones find their way to the market early. In case you haven’t seen the phone here are some links http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/hands-on-nokia-n900-review-631040 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE Quick highlights for me personally are - Debian based linux OS - Updates to everything over the air - Killer UI - Full flash support in a full Mozilla based browser - Very nice hardware specs in every facet i.e. camera, storage, processor, screen, graphics hardware accelerator, etc - Real multi tasking OS and interface - Get root shell on the device All in all this device seems to be created as a mobile computer because of Maemo's roots as a tablet PC OS. So the phone is just treated as a platform and hardware to run the OS. For example you can just not use the phone at all and make all your calls via Skype over Wifi or 3g connectivity. Looks like finally a no strings attached phone. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- Protected by Websense Hosted Email Security -- www.websense.com
Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
Precisely the reason why I haven’t gotten an iphone. I hate the limitations and the hoops you have to jump through to do some basic things. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:25 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? Unless your device isn't allowed to have such pieces of software, like the iPhone. Which is why my iPhone is *cough* modified *cough*. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com wrote: That’s not a limitation of this nokia. Anyone could write a SIP application in fact someone wrote something for Google voice already http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/dialcentral/ Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Robert Martin Jr. Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:00 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? I like Nokia and have an N81. What I don't like is that Nokia has been pressured by mobile carriers to remove the built-in SIP support on all the newer models. When I walk in at home or at work my N81 auto sychs up with my asterisk server via wireless, and I can make totally free unlimited calls using google voice anywhere in the continental U.S. The phone becomes an extension to the system whenever internet connectivity is available. We got off monthly mobile plan to pay-per-minutes since we can still use the nokia phones through WiFi. Now I pay about $8 a month for my cellular service :) lopaka --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com wrote: From: Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com Subject: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com hardware@hardwaregroup.com Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 9:03 AM Has anyone seen the N9000 phone? I just read some reviews, specs, developer docs, and saw some videos on this phone and it seems amazing! Anyone have access to this phone or know of anyone with one? Seems like it's not released yet but usually phones find their way to the market early. In case you haven’t seen the phone here are some links http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/hands-on-nokia-n900-review-631040 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE Quick highlights for me personally are - Debian based linux OS - Updates to everything over the air - Killer UI - Full flash support in a full Mozilla based browser - Very nice hardware specs in every facet i.e. camera, storage, processor, screen, graphics hardware accelerator, etc - Real multi tasking OS and interface - Get root shell on the device All in all this device seems to be created as a mobile computer because of Maemo's roots as a tablet PC OS. So the phone is just treated as a platform and hardware to run the OS. For example you can just not use the phone at all and make all your calls via Skype over Wifi or 3g connectivity. Looks like finally a no strings attached phone. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- Protected by Websense Hosted Email Security -- www.websense.com
Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
Well, that's a bit over the top. As much as I don't like it, it's not unreasonable for ATT to not allow an app that destroys its business model on a device that it controls. I still haven't seen a single phone out there with an interface, software, and UI that can compare to the iPhone. So I'm willing to put up with a few minor issues in exchange for that. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com wrote: Precisely the reason why I haven’t gotten an iphone. I hate the limitations and the hoops you have to jump through to do some basic things. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:25 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? Unless your device isn't allowed to have such pieces of software, like the iPhone. Which is why my iPhone is *cough* modified *cough*. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com wrote: That’s not a limitation of this nokia. Anyone could write a SIP application in fact someone wrote something for Google voice already http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/dialcentral/ Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Robert Martin Jr. Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:00 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? I like Nokia and have an N81. What I don't like is that Nokia has been pressured by mobile carriers to remove the built-in SIP support on all the newer models. When I walk in at home or at work my N81 auto sychs up with my asterisk server via wireless, and I can make totally free unlimited calls using google voice anywhere in the continental U.S. The phone becomes an extension to the system whenever internet connectivity is available. We got off monthly mobile plan to pay-per-minutes since we can still use the nokia phones through WiFi. Now I pay about $8 a month for my cellular service :) lopaka --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com wrote: From: Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com Subject: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com hardware@hardwaregroup.com Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 9:03 AM Has anyone seen the N9000 phone? I just read some reviews, specs, developer docs, and saw some videos on this phone and it seems amazing! Anyone have access to this phone or know of anyone with one? Seems like it's not released yet but usually phones find their way to the market early. In case you haven’t seen the phone here are some links http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/hands-on-nokia-n900-review-631040 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE Quick highlights for me personally are - Debian based linux OS - Updates to everything over the air - Killer UI - Full flash support in a full Mozilla based browser - Very nice hardware specs in every facet i.e. camera, storage, processor, screen, graphics hardware accelerator, etc - Real multi tasking OS and interface - Get root shell on the device All in all this device seems to be created as a mobile computer because of Maemo's roots as a tablet PC OS. So the phone is just treated as a platform and hardware to run the OS. For example you can just not use the phone at all and make all your calls via Skype over Wifi or 3g connectivity. Looks like finally a no strings attached phone. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- Protected by Websense Hosted Email Security -- www.websense.com
Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
I could be wrong but I believe the older phones have hardware sip support so it doesn't drain the battery the way software based VOIP does. I've run plenty of software based SIP off various phones but it's not as seamless as the built in stuff lopaka --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com wrote: From: Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com hardware@hardwaregroup.com Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 12:21 PM That’s not a limitation of this nokia. Anyone could write a SIP application in fact someone wrote something for Google voice already http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/dialcentral/ Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Robert Martin Jr. Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:00 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? I like Nokia and have an N81. What I don't like is that Nokia has been pressured by mobile carriers to remove the built-in SIP support on all the newer models. When I walk in at home or at work my N81 auto sychs up with my asterisk server via wireless, and I can make totally free unlimited calls using google voice anywhere in the continental U.S. The phone becomes an extension to the system whenever internet connectivity is available. We got off monthly mobile plan to pay-per-minutes since we can still use the nokia phones through WiFi. Now I pay about $8 a month for my cellular service :) lopaka --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com wrote: From: Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com Subject: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com hardware@hardwaregroup.com Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 9:03 AM Has anyone seen the N9000 phone? I just read some reviews, specs, developer docs, and saw some videos on this phone and it seems amazing! Anyone have access to this phone or know of anyone with one? Seems like it's not released yet but usually phones find their way to the market early. In case you haven’t seen the phone here are some links http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/hands-on-nokia-n900-review-631040 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE Quick highlights for me personally are - Debian based linux OS - Updates to everything over the air - Killer UI - Full flash support in a full Mozilla based browser - Very nice hardware specs in every facet i.e. camera, storage, processor, screen, graphics hardware accelerator, etc - Real multi tasking OS and interface - Get root shell on the device All in all this device seems to be created as a mobile computer because of Maemo's roots as a tablet PC OS. So the phone is just treated as a platform and hardware to run the OS. For example you can just not use the phone at all and make all your calls via Skype over Wifi or 3g connectivity. Looks like finally a no strings attached phone. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- Protected by Websense Hosted Email Security -- www.websense.com
Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
Yeah I agree with you on that and that’s why I haven’t really upgraded my phone for so long. Now that the iphone has set such a high standard I require the phone to be as user friendly as the iphone and hardware as good. My basic requirements are - UI as good as iphone - hardware as good or better than iphone - no limitations or little limitations on what I can do on the phone If iphone was a little more open in that regard there would be no phone that can compare. ATT has kinda been screwed by the iphone because users are demanding bandwidth but not willing to pay for it. So its been kind of a double edged sword for them. But lets make a clear distinction between ATT mandated controls and Apple controls. Apple wants to control your life and I just want a phone that can do a bunch of things. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:48 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? Well, that's a bit over the top. As much as I don't like it, it's not unreasonable for ATT to not allow an app that destroys its business model on a device that it controls. I still haven't seen a single phone out there with an interface, software, and UI that can compare to the iPhone. So I'm willing to put up with a few minor issues in exchange for that. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com wrote: Precisely the reason why I haven’t gotten an iphone. I hate the limitations and the hoops you have to jump through to do some basic things. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:25 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? Unless your device isn't allowed to have such pieces of software, like the iPhone. Which is why my iPhone is *cough* modified *cough*. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com wrote: That’s not a limitation of this nokia. Anyone could write a SIP application in fact someone wrote something for Google voice already http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/dialcentral/ Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Robert Martin Jr. Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:00 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? I like Nokia and have an N81. What I don't like is that Nokia has been pressured by mobile carriers to remove the built-in SIP support on all the newer models. When I walk in at home or at work my N81 auto sychs up with my asterisk server via wireless, and I can make totally free unlimited calls using google voice anywhere in the continental U.S. The phone becomes an extension to the system whenever internet connectivity is available. We got off monthly mobile plan to pay-per-minutes since we can still use the nokia phones through WiFi. Now I pay about $8 a month for my cellular service :) lopaka --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com wrote: From: Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com Subject: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com hardware@hardwaregroup.com Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 9:03 AM Has anyone seen the N9000 phone? I just read some reviews, specs, developer docs, and saw some videos on this phone and it seems amazing! Anyone have access to this phone or know of anyone with one? Seems like it's not released yet but usually phones find their way to the market early. In case you haven’t seen the phone here are some links http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/hands-on-nokia-n900-review-631040
Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
I think Android has the potential to be the phone/UI we want, but it's going to be a few years of iterations to get there. - Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation On 2009-09-16, at 5:21 PM, Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com wrote: Yeah I agree with you on that and that’s why I haven’t really upgraded my phone for so long. Now that the iphone has set such a hi gh standard I require the phone to be as user friendly as the iphone and hardware as good. My basic requirements are - UI as good as iphone - hardware as good or better than iphone - no limitations or little limitations on what I can do on the phone If iphone was a little more open in that regard there would be no phone that can compare. ATT has kinda been screwed by the iphone because users are demanding bandwidth but not willing to pay for it. So its been kind of a double edged sword for them. But lets make a clear distinction between ATT mandated controls and Apple controls. Apple wants to control your life and I just want a phone that can do a bunch of things. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:48 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? Well, that's a bit over the top. As much as I don't like it, it's not unreasonable for ATT to not allow an app that destroys its business model on a device that it controls. I still haven't seen a single phone out there with an interface, software, and UI that can compare to the iPhone. So I'm willing to put up with a few minor issues in exchange for that. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com wrote: Precisely the reason why I haven’t gotten an iphone. I hate the li mitations and the hoops you have to jump through to do some basic things. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:25 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? Unless your device isn't allowed to have such pieces of software, like the iPhone. Which is why my iPhone is *cough* modified *cough*. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com wrote: That’s not a limitation of this nokia. Anyone could write a SIP application in fact someone wrote something for Google voice already http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/dialcentral/ Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Robert Martin Jr. Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:00 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? I like Nokia and have an N81. What I don't like is that Nokia has been pressured by mobile carriers to remove the built-in SIP support on all the newer models. When I walk in at home or at work my N81 auto sychs up with my asterisk server via wireless, and I can make totally free unlimited calls using google voice anywhere in the continental U.S. The phone becomes an extension to the system whenever internet connectivity is available. We got off monthly mobile plan to pay-per-minutes since we can still use the nokia phones through WiFi. Now I pay about $8 a month for my cellular service :) lopaka --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com wrote: From: Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com Subject: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com hardware@hardwaregroup.com Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 9:03 AM Has anyone seen the N9000 phone? I just read some reviews, specs, developer docs, and saw some videos on this phone and it seems amazing! Anyone have access to this phone or know of anyone with one? Seems like it's not released
Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
I'm not so convinced of that. The openness google refers to when talking about android is more about the web standards openness not really the framework openness. But the hardware support for android is definitely picking up and so are the apps. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:31 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Cc: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? I think Android has the potential to be the phone/UI we want, but it's going to be a few years of iterations to get there. - Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation On 2009-09-16, at 5:21 PM, Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com wrote: Yeah I agree with you on that and that’s why I haven’t really upgraded my phone for so long. Now that the iphone has set such a hi gh standard I require the phone to be as user friendly as the iphone and hardware as good. My basic requirements are - UI as good as iphone - hardware as good or better than iphone - no limitations or little limitations on what I can do on the phone If iphone was a little more open in that regard there would be no phone that can compare. ATT has kinda been screwed by the iphone because users are demanding bandwidth but not willing to pay for it. So its been kind of a double edged sword for them. But lets make a clear distinction between ATT mandated controls and Apple controls. Apple wants to control your life and I just want a phone that can do a bunch of things. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:48 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? Well, that's a bit over the top. As much as I don't like it, it's not unreasonable for ATT to not allow an app that destroys its business model on a device that it controls. I still haven't seen a single phone out there with an interface, software, and UI that can compare to the iPhone. So I'm willing to put up with a few minor issues in exchange for that. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com wrote: Precisely the reason why I haven’t gotten an iphone. I hate the li mitations and the hoops you have to jump through to do some basic things. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:25 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? Unless your device isn't allowed to have such pieces of software, like the iPhone. Which is why my iPhone is *cough* modified *cough*. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com wrote: That’s not a limitation of this nokia. Anyone could write a SIP application in fact someone wrote something for Google voice already http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/dialcentral/ Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Robert Martin Jr. Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:00 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? I like Nokia and have an N81. What I don't like is that Nokia has been pressured by mobile carriers to remove the built-in SIP support on all the newer models. When I walk in at home or at work my N81 auto sychs up with my asterisk server via wireless, and I
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Yeah, I remembered correctly. If you do a search for hardware SIP Nokia you'll see that the primary complaint is battery drain when using software sip client. Nokia's older phones have hardware SIP and thats why they don't drain the battery as quick, and they also can pair with any asterisk system easily as an extension (vanilla,PIAF,TrixBox,etc) lopaka --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com wrote: From: Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com hardware@hardwaregroup.com Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 12:21 PM That’s not a limitation of this nokia. Anyone could write a SIP application in fact someone wrote something for Google voice already http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/dialcentral/ Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Robert Martin Jr. Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:00 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? I like Nokia and have an N81. What I don't like is that Nokia has been pressured by mobile carriers to remove the built-in SIP support on all the newer models. When I walk in at home or at work my N81 auto sychs up with my asterisk server via wireless, and I can make totally free unlimited calls using google voice anywhere in the continental U.S. The phone becomes an extension to the system whenever internet connectivity is available. We got off monthly mobile plan to pay-per-minutes since we can still use the nokia phones through WiFi. Now I pay about $8 a month for my cellular service :) lopaka --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com wrote: From: Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com Subject: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com hardware@hardwaregroup.com Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 9:03 AM Has anyone seen the N9000 phone? I just read some reviews, specs, developer docs, and saw some videos on this phone and it seems amazing! Anyone have access to this phone or know of anyone with one? Seems like it's not released yet but usually phones find their way to the market early. In case you haven’t seen the phone here are some links http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/hands-on-nokia-n900-review-631040 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE Quick highlights for me personally are - Debian based linux OS - Updates to everything over the air - Killer UI - Full flash support in a full Mozilla based browser - Very nice hardware specs in every facet i.e. camera, storage, processor, screen, graphics hardware accelerator, etc - Real multi tasking OS and interface - Get root shell on the device All in all this device seems to be created as a mobile computer because of Maemo's roots as a tablet PC OS. So the phone is just treated as a platform and hardware to run the OS. For example you can just not use the phone at all and make all your calls via Skype over Wifi or 3g connectivity. Looks like finally a no strings attached phone. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- Protected by Websense Hosted Email Security -- www.websense.com
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Well so I will say this having just gotten a 3GS last Thurs: I *LOOVE* the thing! The apps on it are amazing and I can do SOOO many things that were just impossible/a pain with my WinMo 6.1 Samsung EPIX (update Facebook easily with video and pics, check tweets, access amazon, ebay, etc, and other cool utils and apps like a compass and all that). It's just so much more usable and friendly and I seriously am loving the heck out of it, and it works so much better than crappy WinMo6.1 too! I also compared it extensively with an Android phone that had a lot of similar features, and it simply comes down to this: Apple is on their 3rd rev of the SW and HW and it shows. Android is too new, but by their 3rd rev, once the apps are out and better HW, I'll totally take a look at it; I'm not tied to any one thing and these things die so quickly anyway that I'll be replacing it in 1-2 years anyway. And yes, I don't like the limitations (and don't use iTunes for music, just sync'ing/backing up the phone) but for the amount of usability/functionality it gives you, it's worth it for now. If/when Android takes off, either Apple will loosen up or I'll switch; the market will work in my favor. So fwiw, I suggest you at least try it out and see what you're missing. The apps and games are awesome and it works pretty well as a phone too! ;) BINO -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Mesdaq, Ali Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:04 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? I'm not so convinced of that. The openness google refers to when talking about android is more about the web standards openness not really the framework openness. But the hardware support for android is definitely picking up and so are the apps. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:31 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Cc: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? I think Android has the potential to be the phone/UI we want, but it's going to be a few years of iterations to get there. - Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation On 2009-09-16, at 5:21 PM, Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com wrote: Yeah I agree with you on that and that’s why I haven’t really upgraded my phone for so long. Now that the iphone has set such a hi gh standard I require the phone to be as user friendly as the iphone and hardware as good. My basic requirements are - UI as good as iphone - hardware as good or better than iphone - no limitations or little limitations on what I can do on the phone If iphone was a little more open in that regard there would be no phone that can compare. ATT has kinda been screwed by the iphone because users are demanding bandwidth but not willing to pay for it. So its been kind of a double edged sword for them. But lets make a clear distinction between ATT mandated controls and Apple controls. Apple wants to control your life and I just want a phone that can do a bunch of things. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:48 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? Well, that's a bit over the top. As much as I don't like it, it's not unreasonable for ATT to not allow an app that destroys its business model on a device that it controls. I still haven't seen a single phone out there with an interface, software, and UI that can compare to the iPhone. So I'm willing to put up with a few minor issues in exchange for that. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com wrote: Precisely the reason why I haven’t gotten an iphone. I hate the li mitations and the hoops you have to jump through to do some basic things. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs
