Re: [H] Digital TV buying
At 09:46 PM 10/12/2009, you wrote: Wiinterlight, What is your value for a viable life span for this new tech? I only need 15-20 years, ATM.:) from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_light-emitting_diode Disadvantages The biggest technical problem for OLEDs is the limited lifetime of the organic materials.[44] In particular, blue OLEDs historically have had a lifetime of around 14,000 hours (five years at 8 hours a day) when used for flat-panel displays, which is lower than the typical lifetime of LCD, LED or PDP technologyeach currently rated for about 60,000 hours, depending on manufacturer and model. However, some manufacturers of OLED displays claim to have come up with a way to solve this problem with a new technology to increase the lifespan of OLED displays, pushing their expected life past that of LCD displays.[45] A metal membrane helps deliver light from polymers in the substrate throughout the glass surface more efficiently than current OLEDs. The result is the same picture quality with half the brightness and a doubling of the screen's expected life.[46] In 2007, experimental PLEDs were created which can sustain 400 cd/m² of luminance for over 198,000 hours for green OLEDs and 62,000 hours for blue OLEDs.[47] Additionally, as consequence of the fact that light emitting components of different colors have different lifetimes, it's obvious that the quality of a color picture would degrade over time since emission of each color reduces by a different amount. At some point color picture quality would become unacceptable, so overall display lifetime could be even worse than lifetime of separate components because many uses are putting certain requirements on picture quality. This can be partially avoided by adjusting color balance but this may require advanced control circuits and interaction with user, which is unacceptable for some uses. The intrusion of water into displays can damage or destroy the organic materials. Therefore, improved sealing processes are important for practical manufacturing and may limit the longevity of more flexible displays.[48]
Re: [H] OT: Comcast 250 GB limit
Nothing here yet and I'm a big downloader of TV shows. James Maki wrote: Well, it has been over a year since Comcast instituted their 250 GB cap and they still do not have a way to monitor your usage. Has anybody run afoul of the limit? Was this a power play by Comcast to get people to self limit themselves or intimidation to limit movie and television downloads from non-Comcast sites? It seems fishy that they are able to declare a limit and in a year's time still not provide a way to monitor subscribers own usage. Curious as to everybody's take on this. Jim Maki jwm_maill...@comcast.net
Re: [H] Digital TV buying
Sorry meant fluorescent with a dash of mercury. DSinc wrote: Stan, Thanks for the share. Perhaps I will focus on LEDs. I do not think my living room can support plasma w/o some major renovation ATM. Your use of incandescent is curious. Do you mean old BULB tech? Like old filiment stuff like current/old light bulbs? Best, Duncan swzaske wrote: Most LCD's are incandescent back lit. There are LED backlights that have been coming out the last couple years and they're good but still an incomplete solution. Organic LED's don't require any backlighting because the LED's themselves provide the light and color themselves. If I'm mistaken on any of this please feel free to correct me. I only know what I've read. OLED's are the future, be pollution free and be energy cheap to operate. DSinc wrote: Stan, Please share what you mean by OLED? Since you seem to be a pockets sorta person, perhaps you can add to this very confusing matrix. I do so hope this is not another emotional rant generator. Based on my crude calcs, I am shopping a 58-6x something panel. Yes, this means major $$$. So What? I spent $$$ in 1996 also; and, have enjoyed my video/TV thus far...(well, until it went TU!) LOL! Now, I use a Viewsonic N2635W. Yes, smaller; but, a really nice presentation for OTA TV. And, I am still doing research. Best, Duncan swzaske wrote: The ? is, how deep are your pockets? Get 240 if it pleases you, I'm still waiting for OLED backlights. :-) Joshua MacCraw wrote: HTH can 240hz be hype? It's an improvement over 60 and to a lesser level 120 sure, but hype? So when they stop making 120's, you'll stop buying TV's or are you just saying don't spend ape shit money to get the 240 over the 120 if buying new? 120Hz provided real value. Being a multiple of 24 (as in, standard 24fps film content), it allows for nice smooth 5:5 pulldown, vs the 3:2 that must be performed when displaying at 60Hz. 240Hz, in contrast, is marketing. Any 240Hz set that looks better than a 120Hz set has nothing to do with the refresh frequency and is simply a result of newer/better backlight, panel, and/or electronics, etc. Also note that not all 120Hz TV sets are capable of 5:5 pulldown. Greg -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 7:19 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Digital TV buying Don't you mean 240Hz? Best, Duncan swzaske wrote: Try to get 120 HZ as well because it won't blur as much during action scenes. snip
Re: [H] 1.5 TB 2.0 TB hard drives
Definitely my next drive. Gmail wrote: I've had good success with the 1TB SpinPoint F1 drives. Now the F3 model is out and it's been getting rave reviews for speed and performance. --- Brian Sent from my iPhone On 2009-10-13, at 1:50 PM, Naushad Zulfiqar z00...@gmail.com wrote: I have a seagate 1. 5 as well as a WD 2 tb and both are running great. The seagate got a bad rap due to initial shoddy firmware. But all is well now. On Oct 13, 2009 5:54 AM, James Maki jwm_maill...@comcast.net wrote: I am looking to add some storage space and am wondering if I need to worry about compatibility with the new larger hard drives. I haven't had any problems with 1 TB drives (Western Digital and Samsung). Any warnings or caveats? Any favorites in the 1.5 and 2.0 TB manufacturers? Any warnings? Thanks for your input. Jim Maki jwm_maill...@comcast.net
Re: [H] 1.5 TB 2.0 TB hard drives
I've got 4 of the 1TB F1 models. I like the drives, but have you researched the RMA process? It looks like a complete afterthought--enough that I probably won't buy another Samsung drive until it's addressed. WD, in contrast, has such a smooth return process that they'll continue to get the bulk of my business. I've got somewhere around 60 drives running at home, most of them WD. I expect drives to fail. They all will eventually, and it doesn't matter what brand or model. The way in which the return is handled has become one of the most valuable brand attributes for me. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Gmail Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:56 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] 1.5 TB 2.0 TB hard drives I've had good success with the 1TB SpinPoint F1 drives. Now the F3 model is out and it's been getting rave reviews for speed and performance. --- Brian Sent from my iPhone On 2009-10-13, at 1:50 PM, Naushad Zulfiqar z00...@gmail.com wrote: I have a seagate 1. 5 as well as a WD 2 tb and both are running great. The seagate got a bad rap due to initial shoddy firmware. But all is well now. On Oct 13, 2009 5:54 AM, James Maki jwm_maill...@comcast.net wrote: I am looking to add some storage space and am wondering if I need to worry about compatibility with the new larger hard drives. I haven't had any problems with 1 TB drives (Western Digital and Samsung). Any warnings or caveats? Any favorites in the 1.5 and 2.0 TB manufacturers? Any warnings? Thanks for your input. Jim Maki jwm_maill...@comcast.net
Re: [H] 1.5 TB 2.0 TB hard drives
I have not. I have 6 of the F1s currently in my HTPC RAID. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Greg Sevart ad...@xfury.net wrote: I've got 4 of the 1TB F1 models. I like the drives, but have you researched the RMA process? It looks like a complete afterthought--enough that I probably won't buy another Samsung drive until it's addressed. WD, in contrast, has such a smooth return process that they'll continue to get the bulk of my business. I've got somewhere around 60 drives running at home, most of them WD. I expect drives to fail. They all will eventually, and it doesn't matter what brand or model. The way in which the return is handled has become one of the most valuable brand attributes for me. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Gmail Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:56 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] 1.5 TB 2.0 TB hard drives I've had good success with the 1TB SpinPoint F1 drives. Now the F3 model is out and it's been getting rave reviews for speed and performance. --- Brian Sent from my iPhone On 2009-10-13, at 1:50 PM, Naushad Zulfiqar z00...@gmail.com wrote: I have a seagate 1. 5 as well as a WD 2 tb and both are running great. The seagate got a bad rap due to initial shoddy firmware. But all is well now. On Oct 13, 2009 5:54 AM, James Maki jwm_maill...@comcast.net wrote: I am looking to add some storage space and am wondering if I need to worry about compatibility with the new larger hard drives. I haven't had any problems with 1 TB drives (Western Digital and Samsung). Any warnings or caveats? Any favorites in the 1.5 and 2.0 TB manufacturers? Any warnings? Thanks for your input. Jim Maki jwm_maill...@comcast.net
Re: [H] Digital TV buying
Winterlight, Thank you. Hmm, something else to think about.. :) Interesting to be sure. Perhaps it is wise to pass on OLED until a few more technology cycles take place. Heck, I have not even seen an OLED panel yet! Direct viewing comes later after much more reading. Best, Duncan Winterlight wrote: At 09:46 PM 10/12/2009, you wrote: Wiinterlight, What is your value for a viable life span for this new tech? I only need 15-20 years, ATM.:) from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_light-emitting_diode Disadvantages The biggest technical problem for OLEDs is the limited lifetime of the organic materials.[44] In particular, blue OLEDs historically have had a lifetime of around 14,000 hours (five years at 8 hours a day) when used for flat-panel displays, which is lower than the typical lifetime of LCD, LED or PDP technology—each currently rated for about 60,000 hours, depending on manufacturer and model. However, some manufacturers of OLED displays claim to have come up with a way to solve this problem with a new technology to increase the lifespan of OLED displays, pushing their expected life past that of LCD displays.[45] A metal membrane helps deliver light from polymers in the substrate throughout the glass surface more efficiently than current OLEDs. The result is the same picture quality with half the brightness and a doubling of the screen's expected life.[46] In 2007, experimental PLEDs were created which can sustain 400 cd/m² of luminance for over 198,000 hours for green OLEDs and 62,000 hours for blue OLEDs.[47] Additionally, as consequence of the fact that light emitting components of different colors have different lifetimes, it's obvious that the quality of a color picture would degrade over time since emission of each color reduces by a different amount. At some point color picture quality would become unacceptable, so overall display lifetime could be even worse than lifetime of separate components because many uses are putting certain requirements on picture quality. This can be partially avoided by adjusting color balance but this may require advanced control circuits and interaction with user, which is unacceptable for some uses. The intrusion of water into displays can damage or destroy the organic materials. Therefore, improved sealing processes are important for practical manufacturing and may limit the longevity of more flexible displays.[48]
Re: [H] 1.5 TB 2.0 TB hard drives
I checked a slightly older Seagate and discovered it needed a firmeware update TOO. I was not expecting that, and (or course) did it, and all is well. (It has been a few months now...) Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: Naushad Zulfiqar The seagate got a bad rap due to initial shoddy firmware. But all is well now.
[H] Installing 600m Cover Assembly
I've done the research and discovered the Control Power Button Cover Assembly is the part that is broken on my Inspiron 600m old laptop. Anyone ever take one of these apart and put them together? I've worked on many a PC tower but nothing really on laptops. Its broken on the left hinge where there are two screws now exposed and broken plastic. All still works but the LCD is not very stable and looks lousy. Am I supposed to completely open the laptop to get at this area or is there an easier path to replacing this cover assembly? Pictures available upon request.
Re: [H] 1.5 TB 2.0 TB hard drives
Lol, I know this is the HWG but still...*SIXTY* drives?! Wow, are you running your own website or something from home?! Or just trying to archive small portions of the internet?! :P Hehe, do you get a special support # with WD for that; tier 1 customer or something? Hmm, what's your power bill like to have all that HW running like that?? I know I had to consciously start shutting off my main PC (as I wasn't using it as often since I'm mostly on the laptop) and with just that change (ok, and being a bit more careful with lights, etc) we dropped our power bill 25% vs last year-though it's still ~$100/mo (for a 3 bedroom apt in West LA)... :P BINO -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Greg Sevart Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:12 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] 1.5 TB 2.0 TB hard drives I've got 4 of the 1TB F1 models. I like the drives, but have you researched the RMA process? It looks like a complete afterthought--enough that I probably won't buy another Samsung drive until it's addressed. WD, in contrast, has such a smooth return process that they'll continue to get the bulk of my business. I've got somewhere around 60 drives running at home, most of them WD. I expect drives to fail. They all will eventually, and it doesn't matter what brand or model. The way in which the return is handled has become one of the most valuable brand attributes for me. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Gmail Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:56 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] 1.5 TB 2.0 TB hard drives I've had good success with the 1TB SpinPoint F1 drives. Now the F3 model is out and it's been getting rave reviews for speed and performance. --- Brian Sent from my iPhone On 2009-10-13, at 1:50 PM, Naushad Zulfiqar z00...@gmail.com wrote: I have a seagate 1. 5 as well as a WD 2 tb and both are running great. The seagate got a bad rap due to initial shoddy firmware. But all is well now. On Oct 13, 2009 5:54 AM, James Maki jwm_maill...@comcast.net wrote: I am looking to add some storage space and am wondering if I need to worry about compatibility with the new larger hard drives. I haven't had any problems with 1 TB drives (Western Digital and Samsung). Any warnings or caveats? Any favorites in the 1.5 and 2.0 TB manufacturers? Any warnings? Thanks for your input. Jim Maki jwm_maill...@comcast.net
[H] Internet Telephone Services - Ooma etc
Has anyone had any experience with Ooma or any of the other internet voip telephone products? They claim that with a one-time purchase of the Ooma device that you can basically disconnect the phone service and everything will run over your high-speed internet. They claim you can have the same services such as call-waiting, caller ID, 911 service, along with unlimited local and long distance calling across the US for free, meaning just the cost of the high-speed internet. Thoughts? http://www.ooma.com/
Re: [H] Internet Telephone Services - Ooma etc
I have a Magic Jack account and yes, it is what they claim it to be. I have all you describe, and more, but for a single phone. NOTE You can not split the signal into multiple phones like a land line, but you can run a single base station with a bunch of cordless phones. I am running it from a old Thinkpad T23 running XP PRO that I also run security cameras on. Of course, if your internet connection is down, or your PC is not running neither is the phone. With Magic Jack I can move it to whatever PC I want, it creates two virtual CD drives and runs from that. I like it so much I paid 60 bucks for a five year subscription. At 09:57 AM 10/13/2009, you wrote: Has anyone had any experience with Ooma or any of the other internet voip telephone products? They claim that with a one-time purchase of the Ooma device that you can basically disconnect the phone service and everything will run over your high-speed internet. They claim you can have the same services such as call-waiting, caller ID, 911 service, along with unlimited local and long distance calling across the US for free, meaning just the cost of the high-speed internet. Thoughts? http://www.ooma.com/
Re: [H] 1.5 TB 2.0 TB hard drives
Yeah...what are you doing with ~60 HDs? Must be really hot in summer. :) Bino Gopal wrote: Lol, I know this is the HWG but still...*SIXTY* drives?! Wow, are you running your own website or something from home?! Or just trying to archive small portions of the internet?! :P Hehe, do you get a special support # with WD for that; tier 1 customer or something? Hmm, what's your power bill like to have all that HW running like that?? I know I had to consciously start shutting off my main PC (as I wasn't using it as often since I'm mostly on the laptop) and with just that change (ok, and being a bit more careful with lights, etc) we dropped our power bill 25% vs last year-though it's still ~$100/mo (for a 3 bedroom apt in West LA)... :P BINO -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Greg Sevart Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:12 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] 1.5 TB 2.0 TB hard drives I've got 4 of the 1TB F1 models. I like the drives, but have you researched the RMA process? It looks like a complete afterthought--enough that I probably won't buy another Samsung drive until it's addressed. WD, in contrast, has such a smooth return process that they'll continue to get the bulk of my business. I've got somewhere around 60 drives running at home, most of them WD. I expect drives to fail. They all will eventually, and it doesn't matter what brand or model. The way in which the return is handled has become one of the most valuable brand attributes for me. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Gmail Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:56 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] 1.5 TB 2.0 TB hard drives I've had good success with the 1TB SpinPoint F1 drives. Now the F3 model is out and it's been getting rave reviews for speed and performance. --- Brian Sent from my iPhone On 2009-10-13, at 1:50 PM, Naushad Zulfiqar z00...@gmail.com wrote: I have a seagate 1. 5 as well as a WD 2 tb and both are running great. The seagate got a bad rap due to initial shoddy firmware. But all is well now. On Oct 13, 2009 5:54 AM, James Maki jwm_maill...@comcast.net wrote: I am looking to add some storage space and am wondering if I need to worry about compatibility with the new larger hard drives. I haven't had any problems with 1 TB drives (Western Digital and Samsung). Any warnings or caveats? Any favorites in the 1.5 and 2.0 TB manufacturers? Any warnings? Thanks for your input. Jim Maki jwm_maill...@comcast.net
Re: [H] Installing 600m Cover Assembly
Don't know about the Inspirons specifically, but I've been using IBM laptops since like 2004 or so, and once I went from a T23 to a T41/42, I had issues with the T42 and had to open it up...I was pretty trepidatious but it wasn't that bad (and I did it without manuals too! :P). One of the key reasons for my concern was all the different-sized screws that went in different holes you had to keep track of... So what I did though was get a big flat table and make sure to mirror the screw placement on the bottom of the laptop onto the table so I knew where the screws went later-obviously if you have the manual it's a little easier (but this might still be an issue), but doing this makes it a little less worrisome. Heh, just had an idea which I have yet to implement myself-get some double-sided tape and put it down on the table and that'll keep your screws from running away or getting out of order if you, or someone accidentally bumps the table; which trust me, does happen more often than you'd think! And it depends-I ended up opening my roommate's big 17 Dell XPS desktop replacement laptop and one nice thing they did was that all the screws were the same size so you didn't have to keep track of which ones went where; a real nice feature that makes it a lot easier to do this. And once you open it, the only thing to note is that the keyboard and mouse/trackpad will be attached with a connector that you should be careful in removing; other than that it'll be pretty straightforward to mess around inside. Oh, and just to note, it got to the point that I basically completely disassembled my laptop and actually swapped the LCD screen on my T42 with one from another unit so I wouldn't have to reinstall onto a new laptop! :P And that wasn't that bad; just more screws to remove and keep track of! Good luck, and report back on how it goes. BINO -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of GPL Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:16 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Installing 600m Cover Assembly I've done the research and discovered the Control Power Button Cover Assembly is the part that is broken on my Inspiron 600m old laptop. Anyone ever take one of these apart and put them together? I've worked on many a PC tower but nothing really on laptops. Its broken on the left hinge where there are two screws now exposed and broken plastic. All still works but the LCD is not very stable and looks lousy. Am I supposed to completely open the laptop to get at this area or is there an easier path to replacing this cover assembly? Pictures available upon request.
Re: [H] Internet Telephone Services - Ooma etc
From what I saw the PC doesn't need to be running. We have ATTs UVerse which is on 24/7. I have a base station with three cordless satellite phones, hopefully it will work with these. - Original Message - From: Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:25 Subject: Re: [H] Internet Telephone Services - Ooma etc I have a Magic Jack account and yes, it is what they claim it to be. I have all you describe, and more, but for a single phone. NOTE You can not split the signal into multiple phones like a land line, but you can run a single base station with a bunch of cordless phones. I am running it from a old Thinkpad T23 running XP PRO that I also run security cameras on. Of course, if your internet connection is down, or your PC is not running neither is the phone. With Magic Jack I can move it to whatever PC I want, it creates two virtual CD drives and runs from that. I like it so much I paid 60 bucks for a five year subscription. At 09:57 AM 10/13/2009, you wrote: Has anyone had any experience with Ooma or any of the other internet voip telephone products? They claim that with a one-time purchase of the Ooma device that you can basically disconnect the phone service and everything will run over your high-speed internet. They claim you can have the same services such as call-waiting, caller ID, 911 service, along with unlimited local and long distance calling across the US for free, meaning just the cost of the high-speed internet. Thoughts? http://www.ooma.com/
Re: [H] Installing 600m Cover Assembly
A couple weeks ago my dad dropped his Inspiron and the screen cracked. Luckily my sister had an identical model Inspiron that was no longer being used (mangled keyboard amongst other things--don't ask!). I ended up taking my dad's keyboard+hdd+ram from his laptop and replacing them on my sister's laptop. With some help from a friend who had opened up his dell before, it wasn't too bad at all (and did not involve a huge amount of disassembly). I don't know what model inspiron this is, so I don't know similar this will be, but anyway: Above the keyboard -- where the power button, power+wifi+hdd activity lights, etc are--there is a piece of plastic that runs the width of the laptop. It sounds like this is maybe the cover assembly piece you're talking about? I unfortunately threw the old one out just a week or two ago, but that piece is easy to get off. It took a little bit of forcing--on this model, it hooks into the left side of the laptop, and if you look at where the plastic piece ends on the right side of the laptop, there is a small notch that you can use to pry the plastic piece up. That's it! Assuming you can get a replacement, it should be easy to do. Having said that, On this partially diassembled (and screen cracked) Inspiron, the screen is relatively stable still--it does have a LITTLE give in it (wiggles maybe 1/2 an inch?). The good news is, once you get that piece off, you can take the keyboard off as well, and can fully take off the screen if you want--shouldn't be more complicated than that. Scott On Oct 13, 2009, at 12:15 PM, GPL wrote: I've done the research and discovered the Control Power Button Cover Assembly is the part that is broken on my Inspiron 600m old laptop. Anyone ever take one of these apart and put them together? I've worked on many a PC tower but nothing really on laptops. Its broken on the left hinge where there are two screws now exposed and broken plastic. All still works but the LCD is not very stable and looks lousy. Am I supposed to completely open the laptop to get at this area or is there an easier path to replacing this cover assembly? Pictures available upon request.
Re: [H] 1.5 TB 2.0 TB hard drives
My hats off to you Greg. Hard core! Greg Sevart wrote: The overwhelming majority of it is consumed by raw over-the-air HDTV captures off my HTPC and lab/testing virtual machines (like clustered Exchange and SQL Server, beta operating systems, etc). The drives are stuffed in 9 different systems, 4 of which have real RAID cards, and some of the others are using Intel Matrix RAID. I occasionally go on a kick and start re-encoding some of the content to save space, but most of it just stays as-is. I've actually got a tremendous amount of free space as well since I've started doing fewer captures and depend more on my cable-provided DVR. Honestly, a good chunk of the capacity can probably be attributed to just thinking storage is interesting. My power usage ishigh. My highest bill this summer was just over $300 for a 1268 sq. foot 2BR all-electric apartment. A large chunk of that is in cooling, though... I just did a count...I've got 55 drives actually running (3 of those technically in cable DVRs), and another 10 (7 of those 250-500GB) currently waiting for reassignment. Greg -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Bino Gopal Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:44 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] 1.5 TB 2.0 TB hard drives Lol, I know this is the HWG but still...*SIXTY* drives?! Wow, are you running your own website or something from home?! Or just trying to archive small portions of the internet?! :P Hehe, do you get a special support # with WD for that; tier 1 customer or something? Hmm, what's your power bill like to have all that HW running like that?? I know I had to consciously start shutting off my main PC (as I wasn't using it as often since I'm mostly on the laptop) and with just that change (ok, and being a bit more careful with lights, etc) we dropped our power bill 25% vs last year-though it's still ~$100/mo (for a 3 bedroom apt in West LA)... :P BINO
