Re: [H] SSD question
I use the term pagefile and swap file interchangeably. I thought they were just newer and older names for the same thing. The classic form of inovation by MS where they use a different name for the same thing. I guess that is so they can tell what version (etc?) you are using. I used to keep my swap file off C, but I move drives around too much, and then the better Imaging programs started knowing they did not need to keep them in the Image, so I moved it back to C which I also made bigger for it.. I did not really get what your reservations were. Sorry. Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: DSinc Rick, That is a good point, but you focus on swap files. Think this is a bad focus. Yes, RAM is relatively cheap now. Way back when not so. Yes, hard drives are still relatively cheap now. (I think.) Way back when I still recall all the list traffic about who's using who's HD. :) The swap file issue is just how MS decided to deal with all the possible combination's of RAM vs. HD that all of us really used. Well, and their own bogus programming too! A simple way to market their product to the masses (us). The wise guys learned how to park the swap file somewhere other than C:. Too bad M$ does not give us a choice where the Windows swap file lives... :( I have thought about moving my swap file(s) for that past 10yrs. I have not yet moved one of them! Perhaps I will if/when I dabble with Win7.. :) Duncan On 01/13/2010 19:30, Rick Glazier wrote: Maybe one old idea we need to keep is that hard drives are for storage. Swap files are for when RAM was expensive. clipped
[H] SSD specs.
I looked up the life of an Intel X25-E: Extreme SATAII SSD drive in the Intel Product Quick Reference Matrix Q3 2009. This info is a little old, burt might be fine for early adopters. This time frame only had 32G + 64G in one form factor. Write Endurance: Up to 1 petabyte (PB) of random writes over three years. The X25-M X18-M: Write endurance: Five years under typical client usage. This time frame only had 80G+ 160G in two form factors I have never done the math myself, and forget where I got the figure of 100G/day for 5 years. Rick Glazier
Re: [H] SSD question
The page file should go on the SSD: Should the pagefile be placed on SSDs? Yes. Most pagefile operations are small random reads or larger sequential writes, both of which are types of operations that SSDs handle well. In looking at telemetry data from thousands of traces and focusing on pagefile reads and writes, we find that Pagefile.sys reads outnumber pagefile.sys writes by about 40 to 1, Pagefile.sys read sizes are typically quite small, with 67% less than or equal to 4 KB, and 88% less than 16 KB. Pagefile.sys writes are relatively large, with 62% greater than or equal to 128 KB and 45% being exactly 1 MB in size. In fact, given typical pagefile reference patterns and the favorable performance characteristics SSDs have on those patterns, there are few files better than the pagefile to place on an SSD. http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/05/05/support-and-q-a-for-solid-state-drives-and.aspx
Re: [H] New Video Card survey
Yes. When I was weighing getting one 160GB G2 vs two 80GBs and stripe them, I opted for the later since the price was nearly the same. I don't really think it gets me that much better real world performance, but it does help on sequential writes, which is one area the Intel SSDs are a bit weak. There is an increased chance of data loss, but I back up my machine nightly, so I don't worry too much about that either. The greatest thing, however, is that in a couple years when it's time to move on to a newer, faster, bigger SSD, I can upgrade two other systems instead of just one. That was the biggest reason behind it. Greg -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 1:30 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] New Video Card survey WowI get 7.4 with one Intel G2 SSD. Are yours striped? On 1/13/2010 10:38 PM, Greg Sevart wrote: My 8800GT got 6.9, but I just replaced it with a Radeon 5770, which gets 7.4. My disk sub-score is 7.9 with two Intel G2 SSDs. :)
Re: [H] New Video Card survey
One major disadvantage, you can't use TRIM on the drives and I'm guessing the raid will increase latency a bit. Eli On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Greg Sevart ad...@xfury.net wrote: Yes. When I was weighing getting one 160GB G2 vs two 80GBs and stripe them, I opted for the later since the price was nearly the same. I don't really think it gets me that much better real world performance, but it does help on sequential writes, which is one area the Intel SSDs are a bit weak. There is an increased chance of data loss, but I back up my machine nightly, so I don't worry too much about that either. The greatest thing, however, is that in a couple years when it's time to move on to a newer, faster, bigger SSD, I can upgrade two other systems instead of just one. That was the biggest reason behind it. Greg
Re: [H] SSD question
Very impressing blog. e7blog http://blogs.msdn.com/user/Profile.aspx?UserID=150067 Member since 8/14/2008 4:32:52 AM I wish they said if that was internal info from MS, if they worked there, or anything at all... etc. They make a good case. Plus, why have one and not use it if you can. I'll check into it when (if) I get one. In the mean time, others should watch the Intel percentage of wear indicator closely. It is a course measurement, but they claim it is statistically accurate. Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: Eli Allen ealle...@gmail.com To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [H] SSD question The page file should go on the SSD: Should the pagefile be placed on SSDs? Yes. Most pagefile operations are small random reads or larger sequential writes, both of which are types of operations that SSDs handle well. In looking at telemetry data from thousands of traces and focusing on pagefile reads and writes, we find that Pagefile.sys reads outnumber pagefile.sys writes by about 40 to 1, Pagefile.sys read sizes are typically quite small, with 67% less than or equal to 4 KB, and 88% less than 16 KB. Pagefile.sys writes are relatively large, with 62% greater than or equal to 128 KB and 45% being exactly 1 MB in size. In fact, given typical pagefile reference patterns and the favorable performance characteristics SSDs have on those patterns, there are few files better than the pagefile to place on an SSD. http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/05/05/support-and-q-a-for-solid-state-drives-and.aspx
Re: [H] SSD question
Rick, I have no reservations about where the pagefile/swapfile lives. I was only following the current logic of using SSD's only as boot devices that would mostly be read from post initial OS install. Eli's recent share regarding pagefile/swapfile actions lead me to pretty much ignore this issue. I could be wrong, but I thought the conventional wisdom with SSD's was to reduce write activities to a minimum. Nothing more. Duncan On 01/14/2010 07:36, Rick Glazier wrote: I use the term pagefile and swap file interchangeably. I thought they were just newer and older names for the same thing. The classic form of inovation by MS where they use a different name for the same thing. I guess that is so they can tell what version (etc?) you are using. I used to keep my swap file off C, but I move drives around too much, and then the better Imaging programs started knowing they did not need to keep them in the Image, so I moved it back to C which I also made bigger for it.. I did not really get what your reservations were. Sorry. Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: DSinc Rick, That is a good point, but you focus on swap files. Think this is a bad focus. Yes, RAM is relatively cheap now. Way back when not so. Yes, hard drives are still relatively cheap now. (I think.) Way back when I still recall all the list traffic about who's using who's HD. :) The swap file issue is just how MS decided to deal with all the possible combination's of RAM vs. HD that all of us really used. Well, and their own bogus programming too! A simple way to market their product to the masses (us). The wise guys learned how to park the swap file somewhere other than C:. Too bad M$ does not give us a choice where the Windows swap file lives... :( I have thought about moving my swap file(s) for that past 10yrs. I have not yet moved one of them! Perhaps I will if/when I dabble with Win7.. :) Duncan On 01/13/2010 19:30, Rick Glazier wrote: Maybe one old idea we need to keep is that hard drives are for storage. Swap files are for when RAM was expensive. clipped
Re: [H] New Video Card survey
I'm curious Bobby, since you don't game what do you need a GTX 285 for. Are you fold...@home or doing some Cuda stuff? My hard drive score is 4.8 and memory is 7.4 by the way. On 1/13/2010 8:44 PM, Bobby Heid wrote: I just installed Win 7 on my machine. I have an Nvidia GeForce GTX 285 graphics card that I have had for about 9 months now. This card gives me 7.4 for both graphics scored. My HD score is a lowly 5.9. This is with a VelociRaptor for the boot drive and 3 1TB WD black drives. I have dreams of SSDs. LOL. Bobby -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Stan Zaske Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:52 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] New Video Card survey Graphics and gaming graphics are both 7.1 which is not bad. Unfortunately, I don't remember what the old 4850 was so can't compare the two. If you're looking for a 7.7 you'll need to step up to the 5850 or 5870 but what's the point if you never game. Might as well stay with what you have. On 1/13/2010 5:50 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Cooler with less power is good. What kind of WEI do you get under Windows 7? I've been thinking of upgrading my Geforce 8800 GTS to something, as this inexpensive Radeon HD 4670 is just a few clicks under it on WEI (6.4 vs 6.9). I'd like to get above 7.0 on my home system. Of course, going from 6.9 to 7.0 is kinda stoopid, so I'd need some good reasons to make that move (like a 7.7+ on WEI under Win7 and less power consumption/heat and lower noise). I think the HD 4670 was a good buy for my office system, though. I can't see buying a top of the line vidcard as I NEVER play games. On 1/12/2010 11:09 PM, Stan Zaske wrote: Well, I used some cash in my PayPal account and bought a VisionTech HD5770. It arrived today and it's a sweet video card. My old (VisionTech coincidently) HD4850 is noticeably less powerful and burned many more electrons at idle and load. The card also runs much cooler (reported by Catlalyst Control) and the fan so far has not exceeded 30% playing games. I paid $160 and sold my old card for $80 so don't feel guilty for spending the money. Too bad it's not a 5850 but I just couldn't justify the price for my modest needs. Anybody else bought a new card lately or got one for Xmas?
[H] Event log question
I have a computer with a largely hosed install of XP on it. I can see the event log, but if I double click on an entry, the additional information that normally comes up doesn't (nothing happens at all.) Is there a way to get additional information based on the event number? T
Re: [H] New Video Card survey
I think I'm going to install a gameso I can say I'm not going for bragging rights trying to get my WEI graphic scores above 7. :) On 1/14/2010 3:00 PM, Stan Zaske wrote: I'm curious Bobby, since you don't game what do you need a GTX 285 for. Are you fold...@home or doing some Cuda stuff? My hard drive score is 4.8 and memory is 7.4 by the way. On 1/13/2010 8:44 PM, Bobby Heid wrote: I just installed Win 7 on my machine. I have an Nvidia GeForce GTX 285 graphics card that I have had for about 9 months now. This card gives me 7.4 for both graphics scored. My HD score is a lowly 5.9. This is with a VelociRaptor for the boot drive and 3 1TB WD black drives. I have dreams of SSDs. LOL. Bobby -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Stan Zaske Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:52 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] New Video Card survey Graphics and gaming graphics are both 7.1 which is not bad. Unfortunately, I don't remember what the old 4850 was so can't compare the two. If you're looking for a 7.7 you'll need to step up to the 5850 or 5870 but what's the point if you never game. Might as well stay with what you have. On 1/13/2010 5:50 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Cooler with less power is good. What kind of WEI do you get under Windows 7? I've been thinking of upgrading my Geforce 8800 GTS to something, as this inexpensive Radeon HD 4670 is just a few clicks under it on WEI (6.4 vs 6.9). I'd like to get above 7.0 on my home system. Of course, going from 6.9 to 7.0 is kinda stoopid, so I'd need some good reasons to make that move (like a 7.7+ on WEI under Win7 and less power consumption/heat and lower noise). I think the HD 4670 was a good buy for my office system, though. I can't see buying a top of the line vidcard as I NEVER play games. On 1/12/2010 11:09 PM, Stan Zaske wrote: Well, I used some cash in my PayPal account and bought a VisionTech HD5770. It arrived today and it's a sweet video card. My old (VisionTech coincidently) HD4850 is noticeably less powerful and burned many more electrons at idle and load. The card also runs much cooler (reported by Catlalyst Control) and the fan so far has not exceeded 30% playing games. I paid $160 and sold my old card for $80 so don't feel guilty for spending the money. Too bad it's not a 5850 but I just couldn't justify the price for my modest needs. Anybody else bought a new card lately or got one for Xmas? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.139/2620 - Release Date: 01/14/10 02:35:00
Re: [H] New Video Card survey
I'm really enjoying my 5770. Acording to my Kill A Watt the idle power went from 150 to 115 and loaded 235 to 205. Pretty good drop and a lot faster to boot. On 1/13/2010 9:38 PM, Greg Sevart wrote: My 8800GT got 6.9, but I just replaced it with a Radeon 5770, which gets 7.4. My disk sub-score is 7.9 with two Intel G2 SSDs. :) -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:44 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] New Video Card survey I just installed Win 7 on my machine. I have an Nvidia GeForce GTX 285 graphics card that I have had for about 9 months now. This card gives me 7.4 for both graphics scored. My HD score is a lowly 5.9. This is with a VelociRaptor for the boot drive and 3 1TB WD black drives. I have dreams of SSDs. LOL. Bobby -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Stan Zaske Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:52 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] New Video Card survey Graphics and gaming graphics are both 7.1 which is not bad. Unfortunately, I don't remember what the old 4850 was so can't compare the two. If you're looking for a 7.7 you'll need to step up to the 5850 or 5870 but what's the point if you never game. Might as well stay with what you have. On 1/13/2010 5:50 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Cooler with less power is good. What kind of WEI do you get under Windows 7? I've been thinking of upgrading my Geforce 8800 GTS to something, as this inexpensive Radeon HD 4670 is just a few clicks under it on WEI (6.4 vs 6.9). I'd like to get above 7.0 on my home system. Of course, going from 6.9 to 7.0 is kinda stoopid, so I'd need some good reasons to make that move (like a 7.7+ on WEI under Win7 and less power consumption/heat and lower noise). I think the HD 4670 was a good buy for my office system, though. I can't see buying a top of the line vidcard as I NEVER play games. On 1/12/2010 11:09 PM, Stan Zaske wrote: Well, I used some cash in my PayPal account and bought a VisionTech HD5770. It arrived today and it's a sweet video card. My old (VisionTech coincidently) HD4850 is noticeably less powerful and burned many more electrons at idle and load. The card also runs much cooler (reported by Catlalyst Control) and the fan so far has not exceeded 30% playing games. I paid $160 and sold my old card for $80 so don't feel guilty for spending the money. Too bad it's not a 5850 but I just couldn't justify the price for my modest needs. Anybody else bought a new card lately or got one for Xmas?
Re: [H] New Video Card survey
Whoops my bad I forgot it was you Anthony that didn't game. If I might make a suggestion, why not try out a first person online shooter called Left4Dead II. It's a lot of fun playing with people especially with a mic so you can talk with each other. On 1/14/2010 2:15 PM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I think I'm going to install a gameso I can say I'm not going for bragging rights trying to get my WEI graphic scores above 7. :) On 1/14/2010 3:00 PM, Stan Zaske wrote: I'm curious Bobby, since you don't game what do you need a GTX 285 for. Are you fold...@home or doing some Cuda stuff? My hard drive score is 4.8 and memory is 7.4 by the way. On 1/13/2010 8:44 PM, Bobby Heid wrote: I just installed Win 7 on my machine. I have an Nvidia GeForce GTX 285 graphics card that I have had for about 9 months now. This card gives me 7.4 for both graphics scored. My HD score is a lowly 5.9. This is with a VelociRaptor for the boot drive and 3 1TB WD black drives. I have dreams of SSDs. LOL. Bobby -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Stan Zaske Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:52 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] New Video Card survey Graphics and gaming graphics are both 7.1 which is not bad. Unfortunately, I don't remember what the old 4850 was so can't compare the two. If you're looking for a 7.7 you'll need to step up to the 5850 or 5870 but what's the point if you never game. Might as well stay with what you have. On 1/13/2010 5:50 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Cooler with less power is good. What kind of WEI do you get under Windows 7? I've been thinking of upgrading my Geforce 8800 GTS to something, as this inexpensive Radeon HD 4670 is just a few clicks under it on WEI (6.4 vs 6.9). I'd like to get above 7.0 on my home system. Of course, going from 6.9 to 7.0 is kinda stoopid, so I'd need some good reasons to make that move (like a 7.7+ on WEI under Win7 and less power consumption/heat and lower noise). I think the HD 4670 was a good buy for my office system, though. I can't see buying a top of the line vidcard as I NEVER play games. On 1/12/2010 11:09 PM, Stan Zaske wrote: Well, I used some cash in my PayPal account and bought a VisionTech HD5770. It arrived today and it's a sweet video card. My old (VisionTech coincidently) HD4850 is noticeably less powerful and burned many more electrons at idle and load. The card also runs much cooler (reported by Catlalyst Control) and the fan so far has not exceeded 30% playing games. I paid $160 and sold my old card for $80 so don't feel guilty for spending the money. Too bad it's not a 5850 but I just couldn't justify the price for my modest needs. Anybody else bought a new card lately or got one for Xmas? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.139/2620 - Release Date: 01/14/10 02:35:00
Re: [H] Event log question
Hello Thane, Thursday, January 14, 2010, 2:00:51 PM, you wrote: I have a computer with a largely hosed install of XP on it. I can see the event log, but if I double click on an entry, the additional information that normally comes up doesn't (nothing happens at all.) Is there a way to get additional information based on the event number? Sure but if that's the case try exporting the logs out, they may be fried though. Just google the eventid or use (hey) eventid.net -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... ...now these points of data make a beautiful line...
Re: [H] New Video Card survey
Hello Stan, Thursday, January 14, 2010, 2:29:22 PM, you wrote: If I might make a suggestion, why not try out a first person online shooter called Left4Dead II. It's a lot of fun playing with people especially with a mic so you can talk with each other. Seconded. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... ...now these points of data make a beautiful line...
Re: [H] New Video Card survey
Hello Stan, Thursday, January 14, 2010, 2:07:22 PM, you wrote: I'm really enjoying my 5770. Acording to my Kill A Watt the idle power went from 150 to 115 and loaded 235 to 205. Pretty good drop and a lot faster to boot. Well done. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... ...now these points of data make a beautiful line...
Re: [H] New Video Card survey
Hello Anthony, Thursday, January 14, 2010, 2:15:22 PM, you wrote: I think I'm going to install a gameso I can say I'm not going for bragging rights trying to get my WEI graphic scores above 7. :) Ok seriously... what's up with WEI. I see all this talk about it, it cannot be that good of a benchmark. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... ...now these points of data make a beautiful line...
Re: [H] New Video Card survey
It's called obsession, my friend! On 1/14/2010 5:42 PM, Joe User wrote: Hello Anthony, Thursday, January 14, 2010, 2:15:22 PM, you wrote: I think I'm going to install a gameso I can say I'm not going for bragging rights trying to get my WEI graphic scores above 7. :) Ok seriously... what's up with WEI. I see all this talk about it, it cannot be that good of a benchmark. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.141/2622 - Release Date: 01/14/10 14:35:00
Re: [H] New Video Card survey
What have you got in that beast? I have a dual core E6850 system here that uses 60 W at idle and 120 W loaded. Of course, it has a super wimpy vidcard it in at the moment. On 1/14/2010 3:07 PM, Stan Zaske wrote: I'm really enjoying my 5770. Acording to my Kill A Watt the idle power went from 150 to 115 and loaded 235 to 205. Pretty good drop and a lot faster to boot. On 1/13/2010 9:38 PM, Greg Sevart wrote: My 8800GT got 6.9, but I just replaced it with a Radeon 5770, which gets 7.4. My disk sub-score is 7.9 with two Intel G2 SSDs. :) -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:44 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] New Video Card survey I just installed Win 7 on my machine. I have an Nvidia GeForce GTX 285 graphics card that I have had for about 9 months now. This card gives me 7.4 for both graphics scored. My HD score is a lowly 5.9. This is with a VelociRaptor for the boot drive and 3 1TB WD black drives. I have dreams of SSDs. LOL. Bobby -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Stan Zaske Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:52 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] New Video Card survey Graphics and gaming graphics are both 7.1 which is not bad. Unfortunately, I don't remember what the old 4850 was so can't compare the two. If you're looking for a 7.7 you'll need to step up to the 5850 or 5870 but what's the point if you never game. Might as well stay with what you have. On 1/13/2010 5:50 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Cooler with less power is good. What kind of WEI do you get under Windows 7? I've been thinking of upgrading my Geforce 8800 GTS to something, as this inexpensive Radeon HD 4670 is just a few clicks under it on WEI (6.4 vs 6.9). I'd like to get above 7.0 on my home system. Of course, going from 6.9 to 7.0 is kinda stoopid, so I'd need some good reasons to make that move (like a 7.7+ on WEI under Win7 and less power consumption/heat and lower noise). I think the HD 4670 was a good buy for my office system, though. I can't see buying a top of the line vidcard as I NEVER play games. On 1/12/2010 11:09 PM, Stan Zaske wrote: Well, I used some cash in my PayPal account and bought a VisionTech HD5770. It arrived today and it's a sweet video card. My old (VisionTech coincidently) HD4850 is noticeably less powerful and burned many more electrons at idle and load. The card also runs much cooler (reported by Catlalyst Control) and the fan so far has not exceeded 30% playing games. I paid $160 and sold my old card for $80 so don't feel guilty for spending the money. Too bad it's not a 5850 but I just couldn't justify the price for my modest needs. Anybody else bought a new card lately or got one for Xmas? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.139/2620 - Release Date: 01/14/10 02:35:00
Re: [H] New Video Card survey
Yes, I am aware that it does not currently support TRIM, and I knew that going in. Frankly, calling it a major disadvantage isn't really accurate--the Intel drives have extremely good used performance without it. Any increase in latency is going to be tiny. My 4k random I/O numbers are still quite a bit better than a single drive. It's likely that a new generation of Intel RAID drivers will support TRIM, but again, it isn't as huge of a deal as some make it out to be. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Eli Allen Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:25 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] New Video Card survey One major disadvantage, you can't use TRIM on the drives and I'm guessing the raid will increase latency a bit. Eli On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Greg Sevart ad...@xfury.net wrote: Yes. When I was weighing getting one 160GB G2 vs two 80GBs and stripe them, I opted for the later since the price was nearly the same. I don't really think it gets me that much better real world performance, but it does help on sequential writes, which is one area the Intel SSDs are a bit weak. There is an increased chance of data loss, but I back up my machine nightly, so I don't worry too much about that either. The greatest thing, however, is that in a couple years when it's time to move on to a newer, faster, bigger SSD, I can upgrade two other systems instead of just one. That was the biggest reason behind it. Greg
Re: [H] New Video Card survey
Hello Anthony, Thursday, January 14, 2010, 5:09:07 PM, you wrote: It's called obsession, my friend! That answers that! -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... ...now these points of data make a beautiful line...
[H] 3D gaming or tv?
This being the HWG I can't believe no one here has gone there, so what're your thoughts/experiences with 3D TV and/or gaming? The gaming has been around longer, b/c I assume it was easier to get computer games to do 3d; see this thread (someone references playing the FIRST Descent in 3D; something I think I remember hearing about) : http://www.mtbs3d.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=3 http://www.mtbs3d.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=3t=5274 t=5274 Turns out that Samsung DLP I got last year supports 3D (and DLPs are one of the few tvs out there that will, having a true 120Hz refresh rate) with the addition of an extra kit for $150 ($200 for 2 glasses from DDD aka TriDef at http://www.ddd.com/cart/product.php?productid=2 http://www.ddd.com/cart/product.php?productid=2cat=1page=1 cat=1page=1 ). Considering it since the tech isn't going to settle for a while, and having it now would be cool (people have been doing it for the last couple years apparently with earlier Samsung/Mitsu DLPs). And it doesn't sound like getting a gaming rig setup with 3D is that hard; I played Left4Dead in 3D at a tech event last year with the glasses and headphone/mic and it was pretty cool; forgot about it until the whole Avatar/3D thing at CES this year and now I'm looking into getting it. Anyway, thoughts? BINO
[H] Windows 7 God Mode
Really, just a script ready folder, but one of the neater tricks I've seen online for Win7. http://windows7center.com/windows-7-feature/unleash-god-mode-on-windows-7/
Re: [H] 3D gaming or tv?
I think we have the same tv, though maybe not the same size. Still, I just don't see the point in 3D TVwho wants to wear stoopid classes all the timeand I don't see it for sports either...perhaps gamers though...they are a different bred... On 1/14/2010 8:36 PM, Bino Gopal wrote: This being the HWG I can't believe no one here has gone there, so what're your thoughts/experiences with 3D TV and/or gaming? The gaming has been around longer, b/c I assume it was easier to get computer games to do 3d; see this thread (someone references playing the FIRST Descent in 3D; something I think I remember hearing about) : http://www.mtbs3d.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=3 http://www.mtbs3d.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=3t=5274 t=5274 Turns out that Samsung DLP I got last year supports 3D (and DLPs are one of the few tvs out there that will, having a true 120Hz refresh rate) with the addition of an extra kit for $150 ($200 for 2 glasses from DDD aka TriDef at http://www.ddd.com/cart/product.php?productid=2 http://www.ddd.com/cart/product.php?productid=2cat=1page=1 cat=1page=1 ). Considering it since the tech isn't going to settle for a while, and having it now would be cool (people have been doing it for the last couple years apparently with earlier Samsung/Mitsu DLPs). And it doesn't sound like getting a gaming rig setup with 3D is that hard; I played Left4Dead in 3D at a tech event last year with the glasses and headphone/mic and it was pretty cool; forgot about it until the whole Avatar/3D thing at CES this year and now I'm looking into getting it. Anyway, thoughts? BINO No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.141/2622 - Release Date: 01/14/10 14:35:00
Re: [H] New Video Card survey
LOL On 1/14/2010 5:09 PM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: It's called obsession, my friend! On 1/14/2010 5:42 PM, Joe User wrote: Hello Anthony, Thursday, January 14, 2010, 2:15:22 PM, you wrote: I think I'm going to install a gameso I can say I'm not going for bragging rights trying to get my WEI graphic scores above 7. :) Ok seriously... what's up with WEI. I see all this talk about it, it cannot be that good of a benchmark. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.141/2622 - Release Date: 01/14/10 14:35:00
Re: [H] New Video Card survey
A Gigabyte 785 chipset mobo with a Phenom II X2 545 OC'd to 3.750 GHz @ 1.4v. A 500 GB hardrive and DVD burner all housed in a Cooler Master CM690 with 4 120mm fans. My dedicated gaming box. :-) On 1/14/2010 5:11 PM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: What have you got in that beast? I have a dual core E6850 system here that uses 60 W at idle and 120 W loaded. Of course, it has a super wimpy vidcard it in at the moment. On 1/14/2010 3:07 PM, Stan Zaske wrote: I'm really enjoying my 5770. Acording to my Kill A Watt the idle power went from 150 to 115 and loaded 235 to 205. Pretty good drop and a lot faster to boot. On 1/13/2010 9:38 PM, Greg Sevart wrote: My 8800GT got 6.9, but I just replaced it with a Radeon 5770, which gets 7.4. My disk sub-score is 7.9 with two Intel G2 SSDs. :) -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:44 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] New Video Card survey I just installed Win 7 on my machine. I have an Nvidia GeForce GTX 285 graphics card that I have had for about 9 months now. This card gives me 7.4 for both graphics scored. My HD score is a lowly 5.9. This is with a VelociRaptor for the boot drive and 3 1TB WD black drives. I have dreams of SSDs. LOL. Bobby -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Stan Zaske Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:52 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] New Video Card survey Graphics and gaming graphics are both 7.1 which is not bad. Unfortunately, I don't remember what the old 4850 was so can't compare the two. If you're looking for a 7.7 you'll need to step up to the 5850 or 5870 but what's the point if you never game. Might as well stay with what you have. On 1/13/2010 5:50 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Cooler with less power is good. What kind of WEI do you get under Windows 7? I've been thinking of upgrading my Geforce 8800 GTS to something, as this inexpensive Radeon HD 4670 is just a few clicks under it on WEI (6.4 vs 6.9). I'd like to get above 7.0 on my home system. Of course, going from 6.9 to 7.0 is kinda stoopid, so I'd need some good reasons to make that move (like a 7.7+ on WEI under Win7 and less power consumption/heat and lower noise). I think the HD 4670 was a good buy for my office system, though. I can't see buying a top of the line vidcard as I NEVER play games. On 1/12/2010 11:09 PM, Stan Zaske wrote: Well, I used some cash in my PayPal account and bought a VisionTech HD5770. It arrived today and it's a sweet video card. My old (VisionTech coincidently) HD4850 is noticeably less powerful and burned many more electrons at idle and load. The card also runs much cooler (reported by Catlalyst Control) and the fan so far has not exceeded 30% playing games. I paid $160 and sold my old card for $80 so don't feel guilty for spending the money. Too bad it's not a 5850 but I just couldn't justify the price for my modest needs. Anybody else bought a new card lately or got one for Xmas? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.139/2620 - Release Date: 01/14/10 02:35:00
Re: [H] 3D gaming or tv?
Wow, that would be a serious gaming setup. Big screen, 120 Hz and 3D.Gonna be a very long time before that comes down to my price range. On 1/14/2010 7:36 PM, Bino Gopal wrote: This being the HWG I can't believe no one here has gone there, so what're your thoughts/experiences with 3D TV and/or gaming? The gaming has been around longer, b/c I assume it was easier to get computer games to do 3d; see this thread (someone references playing the FIRST Descent in 3D; something I think I remember hearing about) : http://www.mtbs3d.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=3 http://www.mtbs3d.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=3t=5274 t=5274 Turns out that Samsung DLP I got last year supports 3D (and DLPs are one of the few tvs out there that will, having a true 120Hz refresh rate) with the addition of an extra kit for $150 ($200 for 2 glasses from DDD aka TriDef at http://www.ddd.com/cart/product.php?productid=2 http://www.ddd.com/cart/product.php?productid=2cat=1page=1 cat=1page=1 ). Considering it since the tech isn't going to settle for a while, and having it now would be cool (people have been doing it for the last couple years apparently with earlier Samsung/Mitsu DLPs). And it doesn't sound like getting a gaming rig setup with 3D is that hard; I played Left4Dead in 3D at a tech event last year with the glasses and headphone/mic and it was pretty cool; forgot about it until the whole Avatar/3D thing at CES this year and now I'm looking into getting it. Anyway, thoughts? BINO
Re: [H] Windows 7 God Mode
Yeah, heard about this on Twitter several days ago and did it. Takes a bit of getting used to because it's just one long list of everything that you have to scroll through. On 1/14/2010 8:37 PM, CW wrote: Really, just a script ready folder, but one of the neater tricks I've seen online for Win7. http://windows7center.com/windows-7-feature/unleash-god-mode-on-windows-7/
Re: [H] 3D gaming or tv?
I very much see the point. I had an experience many many years ago at 6 Flags over Texas at a theater called The Chevy Theater. Don't know to this day if it was affiliated with Chevrolet or not. Like I said I was very young and my senses were very alive. Anyway, it showed a film shot in 70mm running at 60 frames per second (no glasses mind you) that started out in a small air plane flying low over the desert which then hit the rim of the Grand Canyon. It was so realistic that my stomach felt like it dropped out of my body and every time the plane banked my body felt like it was leaning. I can't convey how incredibly realistic it was but I was into it big time. Another thing was that the screen was much wider than normal and concave shaped to fill your field of view almost completely. It was housed in an out door tent and we sat on backless benches that were placed very close. Primitive accommodations but the tech was awesome. Never seen anything like it since but that's the future of TV IMHO. On 1/14/2010 8:39 PM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I think we have the same tv, though maybe not the same size. Still, I just don't see the point in 3D TVwho wants to wear stoopid classes all the timeand I don't see it for sports either...perhaps gamers though...they are a different bred... On 1/14/2010 8:36 PM, Bino Gopal wrote: This being the HWG I can't believe no one here has gone there, so what're your thoughts/experiences with 3D TV and/or gaming? The gaming has been around longer, b/c I assume it was easier to get computer games to do 3d; see this thread (someone references playing the FIRST Descent in 3D; something I think I remember hearing about) : http://www.mtbs3d.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=3 http://www.mtbs3d.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=3t=5274 t=5274 Turns out that Samsung DLP I got last year supports 3D (and DLPs are one of the few tvs out there that will, having a true 120Hz refresh rate) with the addition of an extra kit for $150 ($200 for 2 glasses from DDD aka TriDef at http://www.ddd.com/cart/product.php?productid=2 http://www.ddd.com/cart/product.php?productid=2cat=1page=1 cat=1page=1 ). Considering it since the tech isn't going to settle for a while, and having it now would be cool (people have been doing it for the last couple years apparently with earlier Samsung/Mitsu DLPs). And it doesn't sound like getting a gaming rig setup with 3D is that hard; I played Left4Dead in 3D at a tech event last year with the glasses and headphone/mic and it was pretty cool; forgot about it until the whole Avatar/3D thing at CES this year and now I'm looking into getting it. Anyway, thoughts? BINO No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.141/2622 - Release Date: 01/14/10 14:35:00
Re: [H] SSD question
There seems to be lots of confusion or differing ideas. Since I don't have one and will not have one soon I think I'll wait till things shake out. I did not mean to put words in your mouth, maybe reservations was the wrong phrase. Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: DSinc dx7...@bellsouth.net To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [H] SSD question Rick, I have no reservations about where the pagefile/swapfile lives. I was only following the current logic of using SSD's only as boot devices that would mostly be read from post initial OS install. Eli's recent share regarding pagefile/swapfile actions lead me to pretty much ignore this issue. I could be wrong, but I thought the conventional wisdom with SSD's was to reduce write activities to a minimum. Nothing more. Duncan On 01/14/2010 07:36, Rick Glazier wrote: I use the term pagefile and swap file interchangeably. I thought they were just newer and older names for the same thing. The classic form of inovation by MS where they use a different name for the same thing. I guess that is so they can tell what version (etc?) you are using. I used to keep my swap file off C, but I move drives around too much, and then the better Imaging programs started knowing they did not need to keep them in the Image, so I moved it back to C which I also made bigger for it.. I did not really get what your reservations were. Sorry. Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: DSinc Rick, That is a good point, but you focus on swap files. Think this is a bad focus. Yes, RAM is relatively cheap now. Way back when not so. Yes, hard drives are still relatively cheap now. (I think.) Way back when I still recall all the list traffic about who's using who's HD. :) The swap file issue is just how MS decided to deal with all the possible combination's of RAM vs. HD that all of us really used. Well, and their own bogus programming too! A simple way to market their product to the masses (us). The wise guys learned how to park the swap file somewhere other than C:. Too bad M$ does not give us a choice where the Windows swap file lives... :( I have thought about moving my swap file(s) for that past 10yrs. I have not yet moved one of them! Perhaps I will if/when I dabble with Win7.. :) Duncan On 01/13/2010 19:30, Rick Glazier wrote: Maybe one old idea we need to keep is that hard drives are for storage. Swap files are for when RAM was expensive. clipped
