[H] Problems with HP Proliant DL140

[James Maki]

I purchased a refurbished HP Blade server, Proliant DL140 with dual 3.06 GHz
Xeon CPUs. It worked just fine and I was able to install Windows Server
2008. I had a slim format HP laptop DVD I was going to utilize, but the
interface was different. In addition, the server was LOAD! So I decided to
move the server to a different case.

I removed the motherboard and placed in a full tower Antec case and
purchased 2 3U heatpipe equipped heatsinks. When I try to start the server
now, the power light comes on for several seconds and then shuts down again.
The system does not have a speaker so I don't know if I am getting any beep
codes. The only things connected to the motherboard are the two cpus and
power connectors and original power switch. Any ideas on how to trouble
shoot this situation? 

The original cpu heatsink mounting hardware connected directly to the case
bottom. The new heatsinks in the new case required a backplate. Otherwise,
it seems I have everything connected in the same way as it was in the
original blade server case. 

Any hints or suggestions are most welcome.

Thanks,

Jim Maki
jwm_maill...@comcast.net

Re: [H] TechNet Plus Subscription

[Eli Allen]

If you're in school there is always:
https://www.dreamspark.com/default.aspx


On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:14 AM, GPL  wrote:
> I did this. I plan on going back to school in late 2010 and wanted to
> get my hands dirty with some newer Microsoft technology. I'll make
> good use of it.
>
>

Re: [H] cable upgrades

[maccrawj]

Best benchmark of speed I've found is prolonged usenet article body downloading from 
Giganews, YMMV.



On 4/7/2010 1:56 PM, Bino Gopal wrote:


Yeah, I had cable problems recently and TW had to come out and replace my 
modem, but I was talking to a knowledgeable L3 TW tech (she was very good) and 
she indicated that yeah, on the speed tests I'd see up to 30 Mbps down at 
first, but that was just the boost crap they did for the first part of the dl, 
and that it would typically drop to half that over the rest of the dl...



So I saw 30 Mbps at first, but get 15 Mbps sustained now for my dls from big 
sites...fwiw.

Re: [H] cable upgrades

[Bino Gopal]

Yeah, I had cable problems recently and TW had to come out and replace my 
modem, but I was talking to a knowledgeable L3 TW tech (she was very good) and 
she indicated that yeah, on the speed tests I'd see up to 30 Mbps down at 
first, but that was just the boost crap they did for the first part of the dl, 
and that it would typically drop to half that over the rest of the dl...

 

So I saw 30 Mbps at first, but get 15 Mbps sustained now for my dls from big 
sites...fwiw.

 

BINO


 
> From: ames...@websense.com
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 13:52:50 -0700
> Subject: Re: [H] cable upgrades
> 
> Ahh so that’s how it works. I always thought it worked by caching certain 
> content on their cache boxes and serving the cached content at faster speeds 
> than if you were to download it over the normal non cached version. I should 
> have known better.
> 
> Thanks,
> --
> Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM)
> Sr. Security Researcher
> Websense Security Labs
> http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com
> --
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com 
> [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Greg Sevart
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:40 PM
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] cable upgrades
> 
> Keep in mind that Cox has PowerBoost. It's a temporary increase in speed for
> the first few seconds/MB of a stream. It's mostly BS to make speed tests
> look good without providing any real material increase.
> 
> Comcast developed the technology, and everybody else licenses it--including
> Cox and Time Warner Cable.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
> > boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:12 PM
> > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> > Subject: [H] cable upgrades
> > 
> > 
> > I have a COX cable Premium account and I pay though the nose for it.
> > Their basic entry level account is 19 bucks a month and I pay 56 for
> > 10 down and 2 up. But this week they upgraded my area to doc3.
> > Surprisingly they will be able to update the firmware in my Motorola
> > Surfboard doc2 modem without me doing anything. Before they did that
> > they called me to come out and check my lines to make sure everything
> > was in order and because their tests indicated my modem was out of
> > range... which turned out to be caused by a filter on my line. They
> > tell me after the upgrade they will be able to deliver up to 45
> > down.The timing was fortuitous because I have a new Plasma TV on the
> > way .
> > 
> > They cable guy was great, he checked all my fittings, checked the
> > drop line and replaced all the connectors gave me new splitters and
> > even made a special cable for me for my plasma which isn't hear yet.
> > But the real thrill was doing speed tests. Before he came this
> > morning I did a speed test, the one Cox tech uses, and I got 10.9
> > down and 4 up which is better then what I am paying for. But after he
> > did the work and left, I ran it again. www.winterlight.org/speed.jpg
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [H] cable upgrades

[Mesdaq, Ali]

Ahh so that’s how it works. I always thought it worked by caching certain 
content on their cache boxes and serving the cached content at faster speeds 
than if you were to download it over the normal non cached version. I should 
have known better.

Thanks,
--
Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM)
Sr. Security Researcher
Websense Security Labs
http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com
--


-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com 
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Greg Sevart
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:40 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] cable upgrades

Keep in mind that Cox has PowerBoost. It's a temporary increase in speed for
the first few seconds/MB of a stream. It's mostly BS to make speed tests
look good without providing any real material increase.

Comcast developed the technology, and everybody else licenses it--including
Cox and Time Warner Cable.

> -Original Message-
> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
> boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:12 PM
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: [H] cable upgrades
> 
> 
> I have a COX cable Premium account and I pay though the nose for it.
> Their basic entry level account is 19 bucks a month and I pay 56 for
> 10 down and 2 up. But this week they upgraded my area to doc3.
> Surprisingly they will be able to update the firmware in my Motorola
> Surfboard doc2  modem without me doing anything. Before they did that
> they called me to come out and check my lines to make sure everything
> was in order and because their tests indicated my modem was out of
> range... which turned out to be caused by a filter on my line. They
> tell me after the upgrade they will be able to deliver up to 45
> down.The timing was fortuitous because I have a new Plasma TV on the
> way .
> 
> They cable guy was great, he checked all my fittings, checked the
> drop line and replaced all the connectors gave me new splitters and
> even made a special cable for me for my plasma which isn't hear yet.
> But the real thrill was doing speed tests. Before he came this
> morning I did a speed test, the one Cox tech uses, and I got 10.9
> down and 4 up which is better then what I am paying for. But after he
> did the work and left, I ran it again. www.winterlight.org/speed.jpg
> 
> 





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Re: [H] iPad

[tmservo]

Exactly.  Sometimes we get over focused on hype (see today's article on 
slate.com).  Apple just sold 320,000 ipads.  A good number. They hope to sell 
500k this month to 750k.   Great numbers.   Nintendo sold 500k Wiis last month, 
 3+ years after introduction. 

Selling volumes in the computerworld is good, but turning around and making it 
consistent matters.  For the ipad, far more then the iphone, a lot of this 
depends on apps.  This is where I do have some concern with how that goes.   
Appke has repeatedly 'spiked' and removed apps based on content concerns, 
including major name apps (hunt for the Nine Inch Nails fiasco and Trent 
Reznor's take).  Apples policy with regards to how they handle all this is does 
create a false economy (ecosystem) but it isn't a monopoly.  

I used Nintendo as an example above because that's exactly what they did.  They 
control everything about their product, software available for it, etc. And its 
been shockingly successful. Apple has the same success and the same outlook. 

I have and continue to use all.  I find snow leopard is effective and nice, but 
win7 is finally really an intuitive os that thinks closer to the way I do.  
Make no mistake, vista was too bulky with too many hangups to slow the user.   
Windows7 is slick and managable, its taskbar is more useful and intuitive then 
apple's dock, and its snap to and mouse focusing features work with no after 
thought.  
But it took ms a lot of mistakes to get there.  How well the ipad succeeds will 
be interesting.  To me, I can't figure out the point.  I will never want to and 
type on a touch screen.  Because of the screen, its worthless outside.. So 
while you can sit with a kindle at the pool (I've done it) and read with zero 
eye strain, the ipad will appear like a brick to read in bright light.  There 
just isn't that stand out function that makes me say 'holy shit' I have to have 
it.  Let's face it, apples ipod really isn't better then any other mp3 player.  
My creative still plays all my audiobooks just great.  But it was the ecosystem 
and ability to buy and download for it that sold it to the masses.  Ease of 
use. 

Everyone used mp3s.  I'm struggling to think what the breakthrough user 
connection there is with an ipad
Sent via BlackBerry 

-Original Message-
From: Brian Weeden 
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 12:22:11 
To: 
Subject: Re: [H] iPad

It depends on definitions.  If you define the market as OSX, then of course
Apple has a monopoly.  But if you define the market as laptops, then there
isn't any monopoly.

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Advisor
Secure World Foundation 
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:17 PM, maccrawj  wrote:

> When the market get's behind them as the defacto choice, the are a
> monopoly. Same goes for their PC's, after all who makes hardware than runs
> OSX besides Apple?
>
> If all the app development and content ends up primaryily or even solely
> supporting this device we have a real issue. Kindle is in the same boat
> IMHO. We need to decouple the hardware, OS, and content so that no one
> company controls more than 1.
>
>
> On 4/7/2010 8:45 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
>
>> What monopoly?  Apple's products don't represent any kind of
>> monopoly...it's just apple product specific..
>>
>> On 4/7/2010 11:25 AM, maccrawj wrote:
>>
>>> Which is exactly why I'd never buy in, even if I needed it, too much
>>> of a monopoly.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/5/2010 7:23 AM, Brian Weeden wrote:
>>>
 Gotta love Apple's version of the "razor and blades" strategy with
 all those
 "must-have" accessories, Apps, and content (music and video). Except in
 Apple's case, they make a ton of money on BOTH the razor and the blades.


>>>
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>>

Re: [H] cable upgrades

[Jeff Lane]

So that's why it drops off. I've always wondered why that happens. Thanks 
for that tidbit, Greg.

Jeff


Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [H] cable upgrades


Keep in mind that Cox has PowerBoost. It's a temporary increase in speed for
the first few seconds/MB of a stream. It's mostly BS to make speed tests
look good without providing any real material increase.

Comcast developed the technology, and everybody else licenses it--including
Cox and Time Warner Cable.

> -Original Message-
> > Subject: [H] cable upgrades
>
>
> I have a COX cable Premium account and I pay though the nose for it.
> Their basic entry level account is 19 bucks a month and I pay 56 for
> 10 down and 2 up. But this week they upgraded my area to doc3.
> Surprisingly they will be able to update the firmware in my Motorola
> Surfboard doc2  modem without me doing anything. Before they did that
> they called me to come out and check my lines to make sure everything
> was in order and because their tests indicated my modem was out of
> range... which turned out to be caused by a filter on my line. They
> tell me after the upgrade they will be able to deliver up to 45
> down.The timing was fortuitous because I have a new Plasma TV on the
> way .
>
> They cable guy was great, he checked all my fittings, checked the
> drop line and replaced all the connectors gave me new splitters and
> even made a special cable for me for my plasma which isn't hear yet.
> But the real thrill was doing speed tests. Before he came this
> morning I did a speed test, the one Cox tech uses, and I got 10.9
> down and 4 up which is better then what I am paying for. But after he
> did the work and left, I ran it again. www.winterlight.org/speed.jpg
>
>

Re: [H] cable upgrades

[Greg Sevart]

Keep in mind that Cox has PowerBoost. It's a temporary increase in speed for
the first few seconds/MB of a stream. It's mostly BS to make speed tests
look good without providing any real material increase.

Comcast developed the technology, and everybody else licenses it--including
Cox and Time Warner Cable.

> -Original Message-
> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
> boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:12 PM
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: [H] cable upgrades
> 
> 
> I have a COX cable Premium account and I pay though the nose for it.
> Their basic entry level account is 19 bucks a month and I pay 56 for
> 10 down and 2 up. But this week they upgraded my area to doc3.
> Surprisingly they will be able to update the firmware in my Motorola
> Surfboard doc2  modem without me doing anything. Before they did that
> they called me to come out and check my lines to make sure everything
> was in order and because their tests indicated my modem was out of
> range... which turned out to be caused by a filter on my line. They
> tell me after the upgrade they will be able to deliver up to 45
> down.The timing was fortuitous because I have a new Plasma TV on the
> way .
> 
> They cable guy was great, he checked all my fittings, checked the
> drop line and replaced all the connectors gave me new splitters and
> even made a special cable for me for my plasma which isn't hear yet.
> But the real thrill was doing speed tests. Before he came this
> morning I did a speed test, the one Cox tech uses, and I got 10.9
> down and 4 up which is better then what I am paying for. But after he
> did the work and left, I ran it again. www.winterlight.org/speed.jpg
> 
> 

Re: [H] iPad

[Brian Weeden]

Rick, I jailbreak all my Apple devices.  But you're still confusing things.
Ford demanding Ford parts for their own cars is not a monopoly - it is a
closed ecosystem or walled garden . A monopoly would be if Ford dominated
the entire auto market and you could only buy Ford vehicles (or at least had
to work really hard to find an alternate).

The term monopoly only makes sense when used in relation to a market, not
specific products.  Of course Ford has the monopoly on Ford vehicles - their
the only ones who make them.

In regard to your comment about the newspapers, again you are mixing
things.  What the NYT or WSJ charges for their content has nothing to do
with Apple and is not a monopoly.  They don't control the news - in fact,
the news industry is the complete opposite of a monopoly.  There are plenty
of competitors and tons of choices for customers.  That is what defines a
free market - a system with many buyers and many sellers.

Now that being said, I don't agree with their pricing, at least on the NYT
side.  They still don't get how the publishing world has changed.  For
example, the NYT syndicates much of their content to many smaller newspapers
around the country.  So in a lot of cases you can just google the article
title and read for free in the Topeka Herald what they would charge you for
on the iPad.  That's on top of the fact that the same news story (with much
of the same content) is being published at thousands of other locations
around the web.

The WSJ is different.  Their customers perceive that the WSJ content can
help them make money.  That is a much different situation than just news
that the average person reads which generally has no economic potential
(which is what the NT offers).  So the WSJ can charge whatever the market
supports, as long as their customers feel they are getting value.

And we are free not to pay for that content if we don't want to.

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Advisor
Secure World Foundation 
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Rick Glazier  wrote:

> Agreed. That is why they call it "jail-break".
> When you are in the Apple "prison" they have the Monopoly.
>
> It is no different than when you buy a car and need a SPECIFIC hard to
> replace part.
> Ford made my door handle out of plastic and then beat my brains out when it
> broke.
> At least Apple seems to be generous with covering repairs for their
> customers.
> They make good stuff, and get the "repair money" up-front...
>
> How about the newspaper that charges almost DOUBLE to iPad users.
> WSJ or NYT  (I don't care because I don't have one...)
>
> Rick Glazier
>
>
> "Brian Weeden
>
>
>  Yep, monopoly is the wrong word.  Lots of other people make tablets,
>> phones,
>> mp3 players, and have online music services, with various degrees of
>> market
>> share.
>>
>> "Close ecosystem" or "walled garden" are probably more appropriate.
>>
>

[H] cable upgrades

[Winterlight]

I have a COX cable Premium account and I pay though the nose for it. 
Their basic entry level account is 19 bucks a month and I pay 56 for 
10 down and 2 up. But this week they upgraded my area to doc3. 
Surprisingly they will be able to update the firmware in my Motorola 
Surfboard doc2  modem without me doing anything. Before they did that 
they called me to come out and check my lines to make sure everything 
was in order and because their tests indicated my modem was out of 
range... which turned out to be caused by a filter on my line. They 
tell me after the upgrade they will be able to deliver up to 45 
down.The timing was fortuitous because I have a new Plasma TV on the way .


They cable guy was great, he checked all my fittings, checked the 
drop line and replaced all the connectors gave me new splitters and 
even made a special cable for me for my plasma which isn't hear yet. 
But the real thrill was doing speed tests. Before he came this 
morning I did a speed test, the one Cox tech uses, and I got 10.9 
down and 4 up which is better then what I am paying for. But after he 
did the work and left, I ran it again. www.winterlight.org/speed.jpg

Re: [H] iPad

[Rick Glazier]

Agreed. That is why they call it "jail-break".
When you are in the Apple "prison" they have the Monopoly.

It is no different than when you buy a car and need a SPECIFIC hard to replace 
part.
Ford made my door handle out of plastic and then beat my brains out when it 
broke.
At least Apple seems to be generous with covering repairs for their customers.
They make good stuff, and get the "repair money" up-front...

How about the newspaper that charges almost DOUBLE to iPad users.
WSJ or NYT  (I don't care because I don't have one...)

Rick Glazier


"Brian Weeden


Yep, monopoly is the wrong word.  Lots of other people make tablets, phones,
mp3 players, and have online music services, with various degrees of market
share.

"Close ecosystem" or "walled garden" are probably more appropriate.

Re: [H] Old Floppy Drives

[gibney]

Thanks, I'll give it a try soon. First, I have to rebuild the box that went
toast after 8 years of service. 

> -Original Message-
> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
> boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Gaffer
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:13 PM
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Old Floppy Drives
> 
> On Wednesday 07 April 2010 09:21:43 gibney wrote:
> >   I know. I've been hanging on to parts until someday, I'll try to
> > network the an old box with 5 1/4 and recover my dad's files from old
> > disks. I was hopeful when this thread popped up.
> 
> Most if not all machines that support a 3.5" floppy drive should
> support
> a 5.25" floppy drive.  All you need is an old style cable with both
> connector types on it...  And a 5.25" drive, preferably 1.2Mb, if you
> can find a working one.
> 
> Just for information:  The heads form microscopic rusting while they
> are
> stood for long periods of time.  Good for trashing the oxide layer on
> the first disk that you put into it.
> 
> So if the disks have precious data on them, don't put them into the
> drive without giving the drive a few disks to chew up first.  Sometimes
> the drives will clean themselves, but its worth testing with a few
> scrappers.
> 
> --
> Best Regards:
>  Derrick.
>  Running Open SuSE 11.1 KDE 3.5.10 Desktop.
>  Pontefract Linux Users Group.
>  plug @ play-net.co.uk

Re: [H] Old Floppy Drives

[Gaffer]

On Wednesday 07 April 2010 09:21:43 gibney wrote:
>   I know. I've been hanging on to parts until someday, I'll try to
> network the an old box with 5 1/4 and recover my dad's files from old
> disks. I was hopeful when this thread popped up.

Most if not all machines that support a 3.5" floppy drive should support 
a 5.25" floppy drive.  All you need is an old style cable with both 
connector types on it...  And a 5.25" drive, preferably 1.2Mb, if you 
can find a working one.

Just for information:  The heads form microscopic rusting while they are 
stood for long periods of time.  Good for trashing the oxide layer on 
the first disk that you put into it.

So if the disks have precious data on them, don't put them into the 
drive without giving the drive a few disks to chew up first.  Sometimes 
the drives will clean themselves, but its worth testing with a few 
scrappers. 

-- 
Best Regards:
 Derrick.
 Running Open SuSE 11.1 KDE 3.5.10 Desktop.
 Pontefract Linux Users Group.
 plug @ play-net.co.uk

Re: [H] Old Floppy Drives-Closed

[Gaffer]

On Wednesday 07 April 2010 03:41:50 gibney wrote:
>   I'd still like to hear if anyone runs across such a thing in a 5
> 1/4 :)

Certainly not commercially.  I've never seen one. 

Hacking the wiring is quite easy.  A five minute job !
Whether or not the USB interface recognises the drive as a 
1.2Mb/360K/180K/120K/100K would have to be tested.

-- 
Best Regards:
 Derrick.
 Running Open SuSE 11.1 KDE 3.5.10 Desktop.
 Pontefract Linux Users Group.
 plug @ play-net.co.uk

Re: [H] iPad

[Anthony Q. Martin]

But choices haven't dried up because they don't have enough market share 
and likely never will.  Real-world implications need to exist, not be 
speculated about based on what could possibly happen.


On 4/7/2010 12:34 PM, maccrawj wrote:
True, but choices would dry up if OSX manages to gain enough market 
share. Since the buying public is mostly non-technical this is a real 
issue as their buying choices could force such a condition.


It's not enough to academically discuss the definition of monopoly, 
one has to look at the real world implications of it.


On 4/7/2010 9:22 AM, Brian Weeden wrote:
It depends on definitions.  If you define the market as OSX, then of 
course
Apple has a monopoly.  But if you define the market as laptops, then 
there

isn't any monopoly.

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Advisor
Secure World Foundation
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:17 PM, maccrawj  wrote:


When the market get's behind them as the defacto choice, the are a
monopoly. Same goes for their PC's, after all who makes hardware 
than runs

OSX besides Apple?

If all the app development and content ends up primaryily or even 
solely

supporting this device we have a real issue. Kindle is in the same boat
IMHO. We need to decouple the hardware, OS, and content so that no one
company controls more than 1.


On 4/7/2010 8:45 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:


What monopoly?  Apple's products don't represent any kind of
monopoly...it's just apple product specific..

On 4/7/2010 11:25 AM, maccrawj wrote:


Which is exactly why I'd never buy in, even if I needed it, too much
of a monopoly.


On 4/5/2010 7:23 AM, Brian Weeden wrote:


Gotta love Apple's version of the "razor and blades" strategy with
all those
"must-have" accessories, Apps, and content (music and video). 
Except in
Apple's case, they make a ton of money on BOTH the razor and the 
blades.





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Re: [H] iPad

[Anthony Q. Martin]

How can you say such about a Kindle?  I can read my Kindle stuff on 1) 
my PC, 2) My phone, 3) my iPod, 4) on the iPad if I had one.  Then there 
are other ebooks.


There is no monopoly with Apple.  Anyone can get in on the App writing. 
Even third parties can develop stuff for it, like covers, etc. The few 
Apple-specific accessories don't amount to beans.


To talk about monopoly here is basically to no want anyone leading the 
way in terms of innovation.


On 4/7/2010 12:17 PM, maccrawj wrote:
When the market get's behind them as the defacto choice, the are a 
monopoly. Same goes for their PC's, after all who makes hardware than 
runs OSX besides Apple?


If all the app development and content ends up primaryily or even 
solely supporting this device we have a real issue. Kindle is in the 
same boat IMHO. We need to decouple the hardware, OS, and content so 
that no one company controls more than 1.


On 4/7/2010 8:45 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:

What monopoly?  Apple's products don't represent any kind of
monopoly...it's just apple product specific..

On 4/7/2010 11:25 AM, maccrawj wrote:

Which is exactly why I'd never buy in, even if I needed it, too much
of a monopoly.


On 4/5/2010 7:23 AM, Brian Weeden wrote:

Gotta love Apple's version of the "razor and blades" strategy with
all those
"must-have" accessories, Apps, and content (music and video). 
Except in
Apple's case, they make a ton of money on BOTH the razor and the 
blades.





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02:32:00

   

Re: [H] iPad

[maccrawj]

True, but choices would dry up if OSX manages to gain enough market share. Since the 
buying public is mostly non-technical this is a real issue as their buying choices 
could force such a condition.


It's not enough to academically discuss the definition of monopoly, one has to look 
at the real world implications of it.


On 4/7/2010 9:22 AM, Brian Weeden wrote:

It depends on definitions.  If you define the market as OSX, then of course
Apple has a monopoly.  But if you define the market as laptops, then there
isn't any monopoly.

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Advisor
Secure World Foundation
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:17 PM, maccrawj  wrote:


When the market get's behind them as the defacto choice, the are a
monopoly. Same goes for their PC's, after all who makes hardware than runs
OSX besides Apple?

If all the app development and content ends up primaryily or even solely
supporting this device we have a real issue. Kindle is in the same boat
IMHO. We need to decouple the hardware, OS, and content so that no one
company controls more than 1.


On 4/7/2010 8:45 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:


What monopoly?  Apple's products don't represent any kind of
monopoly...it's just apple product specific..

On 4/7/2010 11:25 AM, maccrawj wrote:


Which is exactly why I'd never buy in, even if I needed it, too much
of a monopoly.


On 4/5/2010 7:23 AM, Brian Weeden wrote:


Gotta love Apple's version of the "razor and blades" strategy with
all those
"must-have" accessories, Apps, and content (music and video). Except in
Apple's case, they make a ton of money on BOTH the razor and the blades.




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Re: [H] iPad

[Brian Weeden]

It depends on definitions.  If you define the market as OSX, then of course
Apple has a monopoly.  But if you define the market as laptops, then there
isn't any monopoly.

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Advisor
Secure World Foundation 
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:17 PM, maccrawj  wrote:

> When the market get's behind them as the defacto choice, the are a
> monopoly. Same goes for their PC's, after all who makes hardware than runs
> OSX besides Apple?
>
> If all the app development and content ends up primaryily or even solely
> supporting this device we have a real issue. Kindle is in the same boat
> IMHO. We need to decouple the hardware, OS, and content so that no one
> company controls more than 1.
>
>
> On 4/7/2010 8:45 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
>
>> What monopoly?  Apple's products don't represent any kind of
>> monopoly...it's just apple product specific..
>>
>> On 4/7/2010 11:25 AM, maccrawj wrote:
>>
>>> Which is exactly why I'd never buy in, even if I needed it, too much
>>> of a monopoly.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/5/2010 7:23 AM, Brian Weeden wrote:
>>>
 Gotta love Apple's version of the "razor and blades" strategy with
 all those
 "must-have" accessories, Apps, and content (music and video). Except in
 Apple's case, they make a ton of money on BOTH the razor and the blades.


>>>
>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>> Version: 9.0.800 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2796 - Release Date:
>>> 04/07/10 02:32:00
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [H] Old Floppy Drives-Closed

[Michael Resnick]

If anyone has their heart and mind set on using their 5.25" floppy 
drive and does not have a serial port available they can try a 
Serial/USB converter.


Monoprice.com has Serial/USB converters for $5.54.
Maybe (???)  you'll succeed in hooking a 5.25" floppy to a USB port???

Here's the link to monoprice:
Product 
ID 3726 - USB to Serial Convert Cable ( DB9M / 
USB 
A Male)



Mike



At 03:26 AM 4/7/2010, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
I have never seen a 5-1/4" floppy in a usb form factor. 5-1/4" disc 
had all but died ...and everyone moved over to 3.5"...by the time 
USB firmly took hold.


On 4/7/2010 1:07 AM, gibney wrote:

I've a couple also, just not in a machine with network, usb, etc. I was
hoping for something with usb adapter.



__
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not have, nor do they deserve, either one." - Benjamin Franklin


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Please update your email / address book / contact list accordingly.
Thanks

Re: [H] iPad

[maccrawj]

When the market get's behind them as the defacto choice, the are a monopoly. Same 
goes for their PC's, after all who makes hardware than runs OSX besides Apple?


If all the app development and content ends up primaryily or even solely supporting 
this device we have a real issue. Kindle is in the same boat IMHO. We need to 
decouple the hardware, OS, and content so that no one company controls more than 1.


On 4/7/2010 8:45 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:

What monopoly?  Apple's products don't represent any kind of
monopoly...it's just apple product specific..

On 4/7/2010 11:25 AM, maccrawj wrote:

Which is exactly why I'd never buy in, even if I needed it, too much
of a monopoly.


On 4/5/2010 7:23 AM, Brian Weeden wrote:

Gotta love Apple's version of the "razor and blades" strategy with
all those
"must-have" accessories, Apps, and content (music and video). Except in
Apple's case, they make a ton of money on BOTH the razor and the blades.




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Re: [H] iPad

[Brian Weeden]

Yep, monopoly is the wrong word.  Lots of other people make tablets, phones,
mp3 players, and have online music services, with various degrees of market
share.

"Close ecosystem" or "walled garden" are probably more appropriate.

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Advisor
Secure World Foundation 
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:

> What monopoly?  Apple's products don't represent any kind of
> monopoly...it's just apple product specific..
>
>
> On 4/7/2010 11:25 AM, maccrawj wrote:
>
>> Which is exactly why I'd never buy in, even if I needed it, too much of a
>> monopoly.
>>
>>
>> On 4/5/2010 7:23 AM, Brian Weeden wrote:
>>
>>> Gotta love Apple's version of the "razor and blades" strategy with all
>>> those
>>> "must-have" accessories, Apps, and content (music and video).  Except in
>>> Apple's case, they make a ton of money on BOTH the razor and the blades.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> Version: 9.0.800 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2796 - Release Date: 04/07/10
>> 02:32:00
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [H] iPad

[Anthony Q. Martin]

What monopoly?  Apple's products don't represent any kind of 
monopoly...it's just apple product specific..


On 4/7/2010 11:25 AM, maccrawj wrote:
Which is exactly why I'd never buy in, even if I needed it, too much 
of a monopoly.



On 4/5/2010 7:23 AM, Brian Weeden wrote:
Gotta love Apple's version of the "razor and blades" strategy with 
all those

"must-have" accessories, Apps, and content (music and video).  Except in
Apple's case, they make a ton of money on BOTH the razor and the blades.




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Re: [H] iPad

[maccrawj]

Which is exactly why I'd never buy in, even if I needed it, too much of a 
monopoly.


On 4/5/2010 7:23 AM, Brian Weeden wrote:

Gotta love Apple's version of the "razor and blades" strategy with all those
"must-have" accessories, Apps, and content (music and video).  Except in
Apple's case, they make a ton of money on BOTH the razor and the blades.

Re: [H] Old Floppy Drives

[Bryan Seitz]

g

a

y

:)

On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 01:21:43AM -0700, gibney wrote:
>   I know. I've been hanging on to parts until someday, I'll try to network
> the an old box with 5 1/4 and recover my dad's files from old disks. I was
> hopeful when this thread popped up. 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
> > boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:23 PM
> > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> > Subject: Re: [H] Old Floppy Drives
> > 
> > I have never seen one. Why not stay delurked. :)
> > 
> > On 3/30/2010 3:12 PM, gibney wrote:
> > >Sorry to delurk, but are there really USB to 5 1/4 floppy drives
> > > available?
> > >
> > >
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
> > >> boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:29 AM
> > >> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> > >> Subject: Re: [H] Old Floppy Drives
> > >>
> > >> The iomega looks like a good deal. Of course, if you're going USB
> > >> floppy, it would be nice to have one unit that does 5 1/4 and 3 1/2
> > >> inch
> > >> discs
> > >>
> > >> On 3/30/2010 12:31 PM, DSinc wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Anthony,
> > >>> Yes, I saw this model and another model from Nippon Labs. Problem
> > is
> > >>> that both of these still require the eide FD cable. Not completely
> > >>>
> > >> usb.
> > >>
> > >>> I am considering the Iomega Silver model, N82E16821108201, $34.99.
> > >>> I'd like NOT to try Sabrent or Rosewill again!
> > >>> Duncan
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 03/30/2010 09:38, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
> > >>>
> >  And then there is this on newegg:
> > 
> > 
> >  BYTECC BT-146 All-in-one Internal USB2.0 connector Card Reader w/
> >  Floppy Drive - Retail
> > 
> >  Item #: N82E16820192022
> > 
> >  On 3/29/2010 8:10 PM, DSinc wrote:
> > 
> > > Anthony,
> > > Yes, I do. I'd like to believe that there is really nothing I
> > might
> > > ever need again, but, just do not know yet. I am still working to
> > >
> > >> be
> > >>
> > > "Floppy-Free."
> > >
> > > USB floppy drive? Do tell :)
> > > Think that is what I now seek!!!
> > > LOL!
> > > Duncan
> > >
> > >
> > > On 03/29/2010 19:31, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
> > >
> > >> You actually still have files saved on Floppies? None of my
> > >>
> > >> machines
> > >>
> > >> have floppies.
> > >>
> > >> Why not a USB floppy drive?
> > >>
> > >> On 3/29/2010 7:18 PM, DSinc wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I assume that old 3.5in 1.44MB floppy drives use the old eide
> > >>> interface.
> > >>> And, I am now noticing new m/b's that do not have a floppy
> > >>>
> > >> connector.
> > >>
> > >>> OK. I understand.
> > >>>
> > >>> Is there any kind of external conversion box (eide-usb) I can
> > use
> > >>>
> > >> to
> > >>
> > >>> keep a NEW "working" Sony/TEAC 3.5in floppy drive around for
> > some
> > >>> time.
> > >>>
> > >>> Yes, I do so know that I should have converted all my old
> > >>>
> > >> floppies to
> > >>
> > >>> usb sticks years ago. Fine. I'm late with this, also! Sue me!
> > >>> It seems that I am finding out what the life of Sony/TEAC
> > floppy
> > >>> drives useful life may be. All mine are 12-15 (or more!) yrs
> > old!
> > >>> Wondering?
> > >>> Duncan
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> No virus found in this incoming message.
> > >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> > >>> Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2778 - Release Date:
> > >>> 03/29/10 14:32:00
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> > > Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2778 - Release Date:
> > > 03/29/10 14:32:00
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > >>>
> > >>> No virus found in this incoming message.
> > >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> > >>> Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2779 - Release Date:
> > >>>
> > >> 03/30/10 02:32:00
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> No virus found in this incoming message.
> > >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> > >>> Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2779 - Release Date:
> > 03/30/10 02:32:00
> > >>>
> > >>>

-- 
 
Bryan G. Seitz

Re: [H] TechNet Plus Subscription

[GPL]

I did this. I plan on going back to school in late 2010 and wanted to
get my hands dirty with some newer Microsoft technology. I'll make
good use of it.



On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Winterlight
 wrote:
>
> Thanks Greg, sounds like something I will do. I would like to have some
> licensed VMs to test new software although my favorite VM for 32 bit stuff
> is my old Win2k
>
> At 11:14 AM 1/30/2010, you wrote:
>>
>> Most items available have 10 licenses. That doesn't always mean 10
>> keys--some keys are multiple-activation, and some keys are static (w/o
>> activation). Some products are pre-pidded and have no keys, but the
>> license
>> limit still applies. The license is for non-production only. That means
>> that
>> you are only permitted to use the software for testing and lab purposes.
>> Using a license for your workstation you use for regular use would be
>> against the license terms.
>>
>> There are no testing or reporting obligations. The software is not
>> time-bombed or constrained in any way. My understanding is that your
>> license
>> remains good if you don't re-subscribe, but your keys may no longer
>> activate, and you no longer have access to the downloads and keys site,
>> obviously.
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
>> > boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight
>> > Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 12:36 PM
>> > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
>> > Subject: [H] TechNet Plus Subscription
>> >
>> >
>> > I have been a MS TechNet member for years. Last week I got an offer
>> > from MS to purchase the Plus subscription at a substantial
>> > discount,  and it sounds like something members on this list have
>> > written about. It is not the first time they have offered it to me
>> > but it with the discount I am thinking about it.
>> >
>> > With a TechNet Plus Subscription, you can evaluate over 70
>> > full-version Microsoft software titles like Windows 7 without time or
>> > feature limits.
>> >
>> > Is this the deal where you get to download free licensed software to
>> > evaluate with no time limits or limitations? If so do you get one
>> > license for each.. or more then that... like windows 7 ultimate? What
>> > happens if you install it and then a year later don't renew your
>> > membership? I guess what I am asking is that once installed is it
>> > good forever... or what?
>> >
>> > Do you have to report on the software... like a beta tester ... do
>> > you have any other obligation to MS if you say yes?
>> >
>> > thanks
>
>

Re: [H] Old Floppy Drives-Closed

[Rick Glazier]

I have a sealed box of new 5.25 disks... (Somewhere close by.)
And a Dell combo drive, 3 1/2 + 5 1/4 in.

I gave a couple 5 1/4 (single) drives to a tech at Microcenter.
He was all excited to get them... 
One would ONLY do the "really older" lower density disks too...


Rick Glazier

From: "Michael Resnick" clipped

I'm just waiting for the 5.25" format to make a comeback .

Re: [H] Old Floppy Drives

[gibney]

  I know. I've been hanging on to parts until someday, I'll try to network
the an old box with 5 1/4 and recover my dad's files from old disks. I was
hopeful when this thread popped up. 

> -Original Message-
> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
> boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:23 PM
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Old Floppy Drives
> 
> I have never seen one. Why not stay delurked. :)
> 
> On 3/30/2010 3:12 PM, gibney wrote:
> >Sorry to delurk, but are there really USB to 5 1/4 floppy drives
> > available?
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
> >> boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:29 AM
> >> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> >> Subject: Re: [H] Old Floppy Drives
> >>
> >> The iomega looks like a good deal. Of course, if you're going USB
> >> floppy, it would be nice to have one unit that does 5 1/4 and 3 1/2
> >> inch
> >> discs
> >>
> >> On 3/30/2010 12:31 PM, DSinc wrote:
> >>
> >>> Anthony,
> >>> Yes, I saw this model and another model from Nippon Labs. Problem
> is
> >>> that both of these still require the eide FD cable. Not completely
> >>>
> >> usb.
> >>
> >>> I am considering the Iomega Silver model, N82E16821108201, $34.99.
> >>> I'd like NOT to try Sabrent or Rosewill again!
> >>> Duncan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 03/30/2010 09:38, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
> >>>
>  And then there is this on newegg:
> 
> 
>  BYTECC BT-146 All-in-one Internal USB2.0 connector Card Reader w/
>  Floppy Drive - Retail
> 
>  Item #: N82E16820192022
> 
>  On 3/29/2010 8:10 PM, DSinc wrote:
> 
> > Anthony,
> > Yes, I do. I'd like to believe that there is really nothing I
> might
> > ever need again, but, just do not know yet. I am still working to
> >
> >> be
> >>
> > "Floppy-Free."
> >
> > USB floppy drive? Do tell :)
> > Think that is what I now seek!!!
> > LOL!
> > Duncan
> >
> >
> > On 03/29/2010 19:31, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
> >
> >> You actually still have files saved on Floppies? None of my
> >>
> >> machines
> >>
> >> have floppies.
> >>
> >> Why not a USB floppy drive?
> >>
> >> On 3/29/2010 7:18 PM, DSinc wrote:
> >>
> >>> I assume that old 3.5in 1.44MB floppy drives use the old eide
> >>> interface.
> >>> And, I am now noticing new m/b's that do not have a floppy
> >>>
> >> connector.
> >>
> >>> OK. I understand.
> >>>
> >>> Is there any kind of external conversion box (eide-usb) I can
> use
> >>>
> >> to
> >>
> >>> keep a NEW "working" Sony/TEAC 3.5in floppy drive around for
> some
> >>> time.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I do so know that I should have converted all my old
> >>>
> >> floppies to
> >>
> >>> usb sticks years ago. Fine. I'm late with this, also! Sue me!
> >>> It seems that I am finding out what the life of Sony/TEAC
> floppy
> >>> drives useful life may be. All mine are 12-15 (or more!) yrs
> old!
> >>> Wondering?
> >>> Duncan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> No virus found in this incoming message.
> >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> >>> Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2778 - Release Date:
> >>> 03/29/10 14:32:00
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> > Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2778 - Release Date:
> > 03/29/10 14:32:00
> >
> >
> 
> >>>
> >>> No virus found in this incoming message.
> >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> >>> Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2779 - Release Date:
> >>>
> >> 03/30/10 02:32:00
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> No virus found in this incoming message.
> >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> >>> Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2779 - Release Date:
> 03/30/10 02:32:00
> >>>
> >>>

Re: [H] Old Floppy Drives-Closed

[Anthony Q. Martin]

I have never seen a 5-1/4" floppy in a usb form factor. 5-1/4" disc had 
all but died ...and everyone moved over to 3.5"...by the time USB firmly 
took hold.


On 4/7/2010 1:07 AM, gibney wrote:

I've a couple also, just not in a machine with network, usb, etc. I was
hoping for something with usb adapter.

   

-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Michael Resnick
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:53 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com; hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Old Floppy Drives-Closed

I still have one or two 5 1/4" floppy drives.
They're stuck in a corner of the closet somewhere and haven't been
used in a long time.
I think I even have some 5.25" floppies somewhere... maybe..
could be.

I'm just waiting for the 5.25" format to make a comeback.

Mike


At 10:41 PM 4/6/2010, gibney wrote:
 

   I'd still like to hear if anyone runs across such a thing in a 5
   

1/4 :)
 
   

-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 4:48 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Old Floppy Drives-Closed

The "Old Floppy Drive" thread is now CLOSED.

OK. I reply to my last receipt. Mark's.
Thank you to Mark, Anthony, jmccraw, Steve, Bino, gibney, Rick
 

Glazer,
 

FORC5, JRS.

Now have 2 USB floppy drives. All of you were so correct. Sorry I
 

was
 

so
thick-headed.. :)

Shocked how well they do business.
I'll probably toss them in ~15yrs!
Long live our LIST!
TNX.

I now have so much more stuff for my Big Red Trash Bin. LOL!
(some drives, some disks, and, lots of cables!)
It will be a really good Spring!
Thank you,
Duncan



On 04/01/2010 11:28, Mark Dodge wrote:
 

Ditto to the several hundred, I do not know why I'm still hanging
   

on,
 

even
 

my three year old laptop doesn't have a floppy drive.

Mark Dodge
MD Computers
Houston, TX

-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of FORC5
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 1:47 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Old Floppy Drives

moved into a new house and just threw away several hundred
   

floppies,
 

some maybe even collectable ( old games like doom  and
   

Wolfenstein
 

3d) :'(
 

fp

At 09:31 AM 3/30/2010, DSinc Poked the stick with:
   

Anthony,
Yes, I saw this model and another model from Nippon Labs.
 

Problem is
 

that both of these still require the eide FD cable. Not
 

completely
 

usb.
 

I am considering the Iomega Silver model, N82E16821108201,
 

$34.99.
 

I'd like NOT to try Sabrent or Rosewill again!
Duncan


On 03/30/2010 09:38, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
 

And then there is this on newegg:


BYTECC BT-146 All-in-one Internal USB2.0 connector Card Reader
   

w/
 

Floppy Drive - Retail

Item #: N82E16820192022

On 3/29/2010 8:10 PM, DSinc wrote:
   

Anthony,
Yes, I do. I'd like to believe that there is really nothing I
 

might
 

ever need again, but, just do not know yet. I am still working
 

to
 

be
 

"Floppy-Free."

USB floppy drive? Do tell :)
Think that is what I now seek!!!
LOL!
Duncan


On 03/29/2010 19:31, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
 

You actually still have files saved on Floppies? None of my
   

machines
 

have floppies.

Why not a USB floppy drive?

On 3/29/2010 7:18 PM, DSinc wrote:
   

I assume that old 3.5in 1.44MB floppy drives use the old
 

eide
 

interface.
And, I am now noticing new m/b's that do not have a floppy
 

connector.
 

OK. I understand.

Is there any kind of external conversion box (eide-usb) I
 

can
 

use to
 

keep a NEW "working" Sony/TEAC 3.5in floppy drive around for
 

some time.
 

Yes, I do so know that I should have converted all my old
 

floppies to
 

usb sticks years ago. Fine. I'm late with this, also! Sue
 

me!
 

It seems that I am finding out what the life of Sony/TEAC
 

floppy
 

drives useful life may be. All mine are 12-15 (or more!) yrs
 

old!
 

Wondering?
Duncan



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Date:
 

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