Re: [H] Open question?
What is the difference between Cat 5, 5e, and 6? On 5/12/2010 10:30 PM, Tony Riederer wrote: A bunch of wired with a mix of CAT 5,5E,6 over the years. And some wireless, and Sneaker net here. Still prefer the hard wired. Tony -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:18 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Open question? Bryan, In my very simple ask, YOU may not count; because I figure you play everywhere, by necessity. Even in places I do not need to know about. But, TNX anyway. Duncan On 05/12/2010 21:58, Bryan Seitz wrote: I do, if I'm transferring large files although true 802.11N @ 3xxMbit is not bad. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 06:47:48PM -0700, Gary VanderMolen wrote: I switched to Wi-Fi only when I got rid of the last desktop machine. Who wants his laptop to be tethered to a bulky ethernet cable? Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail) -Original Message- From: DSinc Is it fair for me to NOW believe that the majority of this LIST is now actively using WIFI for their internal home LANs? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2870 - Release Date: 05/12/10 14:26:00
Re: [H] Open question?
All wired here except for one printer on a wireless print buffer. Actually have two separate networks here, my wife's and mine (this is called peace of mind;-). My wife has actually removed the antennae from her router because she was seeing the neighbor's network (well, she realized that only after being convinced I wasn't tapping into her network...) Steve On 5/13/2010 1:19 AM, John R Steinbruner wrote: Both Both PC's, the laser printer, and both NAS boxen in the computer room are all on a wired Gigabit switch... NAS transfers are very fast that way... :) But I use wireless for the MacBook Pro laptop and the Xbox 360 in the living room where I don't have any ethernet cables.. Works very well for me.. On May 12, 2010, at 4:24 PM, DSinc wrote: Is it fair for me to NOW believe that the majority of this LIST is now actively using WIFI for their internal home LANs? No. I do not wish to start a firestorm with those that use both! The basic question is about the use of WIFI... :) (Are there many of us old fools still using only wired CAT5/6 LANs?) Just wondering? Best, Duncan
Re: [H] 1000 Mbps vs 100 Mpbs????
Oh yeah, Just a question..where did you buy it from? On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: Naw...I'll stick with the Netgear that you mentioned. I was just trying to explain to Duncan about the port and mentioned why the USB port could be nicebut I use Windows 7 homegroups, so I can easly move files between PCs. And my printer is wireless too, so I can print to it from the various computers. The Airport seems more for mac users to me...my 3700 should be hear early this week... On 5/9/2010 5:01 AM, Naushad, Zulfiqar wrote: Get an Apple Extreme Router then. It should fit the bill. They are good routers too. Please note my new mobile number listed in my signature. With best regards, Zulfiqar Naushad Siemens Limited Energy Sector Oil Gas Division Oil Gas Solutions E O OS P.O. Box 719, Al-Khobar, 31952 Kingdom of Saudi Arabia Phone: +966 (3) 865-9730 (*NEW) Mobile: +966 (59) 561-2990 (*NEW) Fax: +966 (3) 887-0165 mailto:zulfiqar.naus...@siemens.com www.siemens.com.sa -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 11:55 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] 1000 Mbps vs 100 Mpbs Yeah, but some of the other routers seem to offer much higher performance in this area. Backups aren't the only thing...moving files and share files are other good reasons to have a cheap USB drive on the router. On 5/9/2010 1:37 AM, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote: Aside from small files yes, the usb is dog slow for backups or anything of that sort. It's more of a handy thing other than anything. If you're serious about backups, a NAS would be more proper. On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 2:46 AM, Anthony Q. Martinamar...@charter.netwrote: Duncan, At lot of the dual-band wirless N routers have a usb port of them for connecting an HD that is then available to machines connected for backups etc. over the network. One disadvantage of the WNDR3700 is that it is really slow for file transfers even on a 1Gbit network (which you'd have if you have it). So, that's the one of two negatives about this router. Still, I'm going to get it as they all have pros and cons. On 5/8/2010 7:27 PM, DSinc wrote: Anthony, What do you mean by, Too bad the storage is so slow, though. ?? If your current router is only capable of 10/100, then your current LAN is only capable of 10/100. Even with G-Bit cards installed in devices. I think, anyway. Duncan On 05/08/2010 15:32, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Yes, as Bryan says and I have confirmed. I guess I didn't realize how long it has been since I paid any attention to my network. Even with the powerline adapters, which claim a max throughput of 200 Mbps, I'd have to get a newer better router to get that (or the best real world numbers I can get). So, I guess I'll go with the Netgear WNDR3700 if no one else chimes in with a reason not too. It seems to be rated as highly as any other and has some cool features. Too bad the storage is so slow, though. On 5/8/2010 3:20 PM, Gaffer wrote: On Saturday 08 May 2010 18:23:39 Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I'm using a linksys wrt54g with a wsb24 booster. My mothers claim to do 1000 Mbps yet on file transfers I only get like 11 MB/s which is more like 100Mpbs/8 = 12.5 MB/s. If my wired network is running at 1000 Mbps shouldn't I bet getting around 125 MB/s file transfers over the wired network? What gives? Your speeds will only be as fast as the slowest link in the chain. If I recall the wrt54g is only 10/100 Mbs on the Ethernet ports. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2861 - Release Date: 05/08/10 02:26:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2862 - Release Date: 05/08/10 14:26:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2862 - Release Date: 05/08/10 14:26:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2862 - Release Date: 05/08/10 14:26:00 -- Best Regards, Zulfiqar Naushad
Re: [H] 1000 Mbps vs 100 Mpbs????
Fantastic!! Make sure you upgrade the firmware. It fixes a bit of issues. The router has been rock solid for me and a real treat! So far I like it a lot. Oh yeah, I do keep it vertical using the supplied stand. Regards, On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: Naw...I'll stick with the Netgear that you mentioned. I was just trying to explain to Duncan about the port and mentioned why the USB port could be nicebut I use Windows 7 homegroups, so I can easly move files between PCs. And my printer is wireless too, so I can print to it from the various computers. The Airport seems more for mac users to me...my 3700 should be hear early this week... On 5/9/2010 5:01 AM, Naushad, Zulfiqar wrote: Get an Apple Extreme Router then. It should fit the bill. They are good routers too. Please note my new mobile number listed in my signature. With best regards, Zulfiqar Naushad Siemens Limited Energy Sector Oil Gas Division Oil Gas Solutions E O OS P.O. Box 719, Al-Khobar, 31952 Kingdom of Saudi Arabia Phone: +966 (3) 865-9730 (*NEW) Mobile: +966 (59) 561-2990 (*NEW) Fax: +966 (3) 887-0165 mailto:zulfiqar.naus...@siemens.com www.siemens.com.sa -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 11:55 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] 1000 Mbps vs 100 Mpbs Yeah, but some of the other routers seem to offer much higher performance in this area. Backups aren't the only thing...moving files and share files are other good reasons to have a cheap USB drive on the router. On 5/9/2010 1:37 AM, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote: Aside from small files yes, the usb is dog slow for backups or anything of that sort. It's more of a handy thing other than anything. If you're serious about backups, a NAS would be more proper. On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 2:46 AM, Anthony Q. Martinamar...@charter.netwrote: Duncan, At lot of the dual-band wirless N routers have a usb port of them for connecting an HD that is then available to machines connected for backups etc. over the network. One disadvantage of the WNDR3700 is that it is really slow for file transfers even on a 1Gbit network (which you'd have if you have it). So, that's the one of two negatives about this router. Still, I'm going to get it as they all have pros and cons. On 5/8/2010 7:27 PM, DSinc wrote: Anthony, What do you mean by, Too bad the storage is so slow, though. ?? If your current router is only capable of 10/100, then your current LAN is only capable of 10/100. Even with G-Bit cards installed in devices. I think, anyway. Duncan On 05/08/2010 15:32, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Yes, as Bryan says and I have confirmed. I guess I didn't realize how long it has been since I paid any attention to my network. Even with the powerline adapters, which claim a max throughput of 200 Mbps, I'd have to get a newer better router to get that (or the best real world numbers I can get). So, I guess I'll go with the Netgear WNDR3700 if no one else chimes in with a reason not too. It seems to be rated as highly as any other and has some cool features. Too bad the storage is so slow, though. On 5/8/2010 3:20 PM, Gaffer wrote: On Saturday 08 May 2010 18:23:39 Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I'm using a linksys wrt54g with a wsb24 booster. My mothers claim to do 1000 Mbps yet on file transfers I only get like 11 MB/s which is more like 100Mpbs/8 = 12.5 MB/s. If my wired network is running at 1000 Mbps shouldn't I bet getting around 125 MB/s file transfers over the wired network? What gives? Your speeds will only be as fast as the slowest link in the chain. If I recall the wrt54g is only 10/100 Mbs on the Ethernet ports. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2861 - Release Date: 05/08/10 02:26:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2862 - Release Date: 05/08/10 14:26:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2862 - Release Date: 05/08/10 14:26:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2862 - Release Date: 05/08/10 14:26:00 -- Best Regards, Zulfiqar Naushad
Re: [H] Open question?
Mix here. Back in 2003 when I lived in Montana I wired my whole house with Cat5e and RG6 drops, of course then I moved a year later and have moved twice more since then (I was in the military until 2007 and my wife still is). So for me to put the time in effort into completely wiring a house each time we move is not very efficient. Right now I'm running an Apple Airport Extreme which sits in the same closet as the main house server (media and backup). That lets me run a wired connection to that server and the upstairs HTPC which is right above it. And other things in the A/V closet (like the Xbox 360) get wired as well . But everything else in the house (my desktop and laptop, wife's laptop, iPhone, random other devices) are all Wifi. The other big reason to have WiF is for visitors. With a 2-mo old and a 2-yr old we are getting a set of grandparents or siblings stopping by for a few days every few months, and they all have laptops or netbooks in tow and need net access to do work or just surf/email. I detect from some people a pretty strong aversion to Wireless, and I would ask why that is. WiFi is not some new-fangled thing - it's been around and in increasingly heavy us for the better part of a decade. Certainly, there are some applications that have large enough bandwidth requirements that wired is preferable. That's why my HTPCs are wired to the content server. But for most other things WiFi (especially N) is more than fast enough and the lack of wires is a huge benefit. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US
Re: [H] Open question?
Why do you fear WIFI, Duncan? On 5/12/2010 11:14 PM, DSinc wrote: Greg, TNX. I've always known you were into it all... :) Logic for WIFI makes sense; though I still fear it. Duncan On 05/12/2010 23:04, Greg Sevart wrote: Wired for all workstations, servers, and devices/appliances (ie: TV, blu-ray player, Dish receivers). WiFi N for laptops WiFi G for phones/other that don't speak N Wireless is great for any device you don't want to be tethered on, but nothing beats the performance, security, and reliability of good old fashioned twisted pair. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:25 PM To: Hardware Group Subject: [H] Open question? Is it fair for me to NOW believe that the majority of this LIST is now actively using WIFI for their internal home LANs? No. I do not wish to start a firestorm with those that use both! The basic question is about the use of WIFI... :) (Are there many of us old fools still using only wired CAT5/6 LANs?) Just wondering? Best, Duncan No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2870 - Release Date: 05/12/10 14:26:00
Re: [H] 1000 Mbps vs 100 Mpbs????
Amazon. I get two day shipping for a single yearly fee. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Naushad Zulfiqar z00...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 23:38:50 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] 1000 Mbps vs 100 Mpbs Oh yeah, Just a question..where did you buy it from? On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: Naw...I'll stick with the Netgear that you mentioned. I was just trying to explain to Duncan about the port and mentioned why the USB port could be nicebut I use Windows 7 homegroups, so I can easly move files between PCs. And my printer is wireless too, so I can print to it from the various computers. The Airport seems more for mac users to me...my 3700 should be hear early this week... On 5/9/2010 5:01 AM, Naushad, Zulfiqar wrote: Get an Apple Extreme Router then. It should fit the bill. They are good routers too. Please note my new mobile number listed in my signature. With best regards, Zulfiqar Naushad Siemens Limited Energy Sector Oil Gas Division Oil Gas Solutions E O OS P.O. Box 719, Al-Khobar, 31952 Kingdom of Saudi Arabia Phone: +966 (3) 865-9730 (*NEW) Mobile: +966 (59) 561-2990 (*NEW) Fax: +966 (3) 887-0165 mailto:zulfiqar.naus...@siemens.com www.siemens.com.sa -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 11:55 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] 1000 Mbps vs 100 Mpbs Yeah, but some of the other routers seem to offer much higher performance in this area. Backups aren't the only thing...moving files and share files are other good reasons to have a cheap USB drive on the router. On 5/9/2010 1:37 AM, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote: Aside from small files yes, the usb is dog slow for backups or anything of that sort. It's more of a handy thing other than anything. If you're serious about backups, a NAS would be more proper. On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 2:46 AM, Anthony Q. Martinamar...@charter.netwrote: Duncan, At lot of the dual-band wirless N routers have a usb port of them for connecting an HD that is then available to machines connected for backups etc. over the network. One disadvantage of the WNDR3700 is that it is really slow for file transfers even on a 1Gbit network (which you'd have if you have it). So, that's the one of two negatives about this router. Still, I'm going to get it as they all have pros and cons. On 5/8/2010 7:27 PM, DSinc wrote: Anthony, What do you mean by, Too bad the storage is so slow, though. ?? If your current router is only capable of 10/100, then your current LAN is only capable of 10/100. Even with G-Bit cards installed in devices. I think, anyway. Duncan On 05/08/2010 15:32, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Yes, as Bryan says and I have confirmed. I guess I didn't realize how long it has been since I paid any attention to my network. Even with the powerline adapters, which claim a max throughput of 200 Mbps, I'd have to get a newer better router to get that (or the best real world numbers I can get). So, I guess I'll go with the Netgear WNDR3700 if no one else chimes in with a reason not too. It seems to be rated as highly as any other and has some cool features. Too bad the storage is so slow, though. On 5/8/2010 3:20 PM, Gaffer wrote: On Saturday 08 May 2010 18:23:39 Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I'm using a linksys wrt54g with a wsb24 booster. My mothers claim to do 1000 Mbps yet on file transfers I only get like 11 MB/s which is more like 100Mpbs/8 = 12.5 MB/s. If my wired network is running at 1000 Mbps shouldn't I bet getting around 125 MB/s file transfers over the wired network? What gives? Your speeds will only be as fast as the slowest link in the chain. If I recall the wrt54g is only 10/100 Mbs on the Ethernet ports. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2861 - Release Date: 05/08/10 02:26:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2862 - Release Date: 05/08/10 14:26:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2862 - Release Date: 05/08/10 14:26:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2862 - Release Date: 05/08/10 14:26:00 -- Best Regards, Zulfiqar Naushad
Re: [H] Open question?
Being home bound with vision problems, wifi really doesn't offer me anything that wired doesn't do better. If I was more mobile, I would probably use both. RegardsGary At 06:24 PM 5/12/2010, It was written by DSinc that this shall come to pass: Is it fair for me to NOW believe that the majority of this LIST is now actively using WIFI for their internal home LANs? No. I do not wish to start a firestorm with those that use both! The basic question is about the use of WIFI... :) (Are there many of us old fools still using only wired CAT5/6 LANs?) Just wondering? Best, Duncan
Re: [H] 1000 Mbps vs 100 Mpbs????
Nice!! I also bought mine from Amazon with Amazon prime! On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Anthony Martin amar...@charter.net wrote: Amazon. I get two day shipping for a single yearly fee. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Naushad Zulfiqar z00...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 23:38:50 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] 1000 Mbps vs 100 Mpbs Oh yeah, Just a question..where did you buy it from? On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net wrote: Naw...I'll stick with the Netgear that you mentioned. I was just trying to explain to Duncan about the port and mentioned why the USB port could be nicebut I use Windows 7 homegroups, so I can easly move files between PCs. And my printer is wireless too, so I can print to it from the various computers. The Airport seems more for mac users to me...my 3700 should be hear early this week... On 5/9/2010 5:01 AM, Naushad, Zulfiqar wrote: Get an Apple Extreme Router then. It should fit the bill. They are good routers too. Please note my new mobile number listed in my signature. With best regards, Zulfiqar Naushad Siemens Limited Energy Sector Oil Gas Division Oil Gas Solutions E O OS P.O. Box 719, Al-Khobar, 31952 Kingdom of Saudi Arabia Phone: +966 (3) 865-9730 (*NEW) Mobile: +966 (59) 561-2990 (*NEW) Fax: +966 (3) 887-0165 mailto:zulfiqar.naus...@siemens.com www.siemens.com.sa -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 11:55 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] 1000 Mbps vs 100 Mpbs Yeah, but some of the other routers seem to offer much higher performance in this area. Backups aren't the only thing...moving files and share files are other good reasons to have a cheap USB drive on the router. On 5/9/2010 1:37 AM, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote: Aside from small files yes, the usb is dog slow for backups or anything of that sort. It's more of a handy thing other than anything. If you're serious about backups, a NAS would be more proper. On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 2:46 AM, Anthony Q. Martinamar...@charter.netwrote: Duncan, At lot of the dual-band wirless N routers have a usb port of them for connecting an HD that is then available to machines connected for backups etc. over the network. One disadvantage of the WNDR3700 is that it is really slow for file transfers even on a 1Gbit network (which you'd have if you have it). So, that's the one of two negatives about this router. Still, I'm going to get it as they all have pros and cons. On 5/8/2010 7:27 PM, DSinc wrote: Anthony, What do you mean by, Too bad the storage is so slow, though. ?? If your current router is only capable of 10/100, then your current LAN is only capable of 10/100. Even with G-Bit cards installed in devices. I think, anyway. Duncan On 05/08/2010 15:32, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Yes, as Bryan says and I have confirmed. I guess I didn't realize how long it has been since I paid any attention to my network. Even with the powerline adapters, which claim a max throughput of 200 Mbps, I'd have to get a newer better router to get that (or the best real world numbers I can get). So, I guess I'll go with the Netgear WNDR3700 if no one else chimes in with a reason not too. It seems to be rated as highly as any other and has some cool features. Too bad the storage is so slow, though. On 5/8/2010 3:20 PM, Gaffer wrote: On Saturday 08 May 2010 18:23:39 Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I'm using a linksys wrt54g with a wsb24 booster. My mothers claim to do 1000 Mbps yet on file transfers I only get like 11 MB/s which is more like 100Mpbs/8 = 12.5 MB/s. If my wired network is running at 1000 Mbps shouldn't I bet getting around 125 MB/s file transfers over the wired network? What gives? Your speeds will only be as fast as the slowest link in the chain. If I recall the wrt54g is only 10/100 Mbs on the Ethernet ports. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2861 - Release Date: 05/08/10 02:26:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2862 - Release Date: 05/08/10 14:26:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2862 - Release Date: 05/08/10 14:26:00 No virus found in this
Re: [H] NetGear WNDR3700
At 08:42 PM 12/05/2010, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: yep, the router rocks. Can't believe I went so long without upgrading. Thanks for the report. I need to upgrade my aging router, and I think I'll go with this one as well. T
Re: [H] Open question?
Hello DSinc, Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 6:24:52 PM, you wrote: Is it fair for me to NOW believe that the majority of this LIST is now actively using WIFI for their internal home LANs? Hell no, 10/100 here. Use wireless as needed. Turned on and off. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... ...now these points of data make a beautiful line...
[H] File Transfer Rates over Shared Network
I thought a ethernet network was limited by the slowest device on the network. With this new Netgear 3700, I have a 1 Gbps network between my wired PC (both with 1 Gbps adapters). So the green lights are on for them. I also have that Powerline network plugged in downstairs and the light shows 10/100 Mbps (amber). It's connected to the Tivo downstairs (which has a 10/100Mbps adapter built in). But I can move files between the two PCs at close to 500 Mbps. Why is that? I thought it was supposed throttle down to 100 Mbps. Is that not true? Apparently, its not, as the file transfer went much faster than I expected. It would truly be nice if all 1 Gbps devices on a shared network could transfer at that speed.
Re: [H] Question on video card for HTPC
What you really need to do is ditch the card for something like a 5450 (full hd bitstream over hdmi, dxva h264) or a 4350 (lpcm over hdmi, basic bitstream and dxva). Better performance, reliable --Original Message-- From: Thane Sherrington Sender: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com ReplyTo: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Question on video card for HTPC Sent: May 13, 2010 7:10 AM I have an HTPC with an X1650 video card that I'm playing back 720p using VLC player. It works wonderfully, but when I try 1080p, I'm getting intermittent chop. What would be a good, inexpensive, lower power PCIe video card for an HTPC, and should I switch from VLC player to something else? I've been reading that KMPlayer is better (in the free world) or I should move to ZoomPlayer or CoreAVC (I used Zoomplayer on my old HTPC, but the license wouldn't move to the new one.) T Sent via BlackBerry
Re: [H] File Transfer Rates over Shared Network
The gig ports are part of a switch. So dedicated bandwidth for each port. So if you are transferring between 2 Gigabit computers a third 10/100 wont slow the network down. Its different from wireless where the slowest one drags the whole network down. On May 13, 2010 3:18 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net wrote: I thought a ethernet network was limited by the slowest device on the network. With this new Netgear 3700, I have a 1 Gbps network between my wired PC (both with 1 Gbps adapters). So the green lights are on for them. I also have that Powerline network plugged in downstairs and the light shows 10/100 Mbps (amber). It's connected to the Tivo downstairs (which has a 10/100Mbps adapter built in). But I can move files between the two PCs at close to 500 Mbps. Why is that? I thought it was supposed throttle down to 100 Mbps. Is that not true? Apparently, its not, as the file transfer went much faster than I expected. It would truly be nice if all 1 Gbps devices on a shared network could transfer at that speed.
Re: [H] NetGear WNDR3700
Just buy a mini pci Intel network card and be done with it. My msi netbook had some obscure Chinese brand and I swapped it for an Intel 5300 (not sure of the model) an the performance difference was like night and day. These wifi cards cost like 30 bucks so its a cheap and cheerful upgrade. On May 12, 2010 10:32 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net wrote: Bam! I got my Dell Latitude XT to recognize the 5G band of the 3700! Now it reports 270 Mbps. Haven't had time to test it, though, but that's a feel good moment. Turns out the problems was the damn laptop. It has a Dell Wireless 1505 Draft 802.11n WLAN Mini card in it. Googling revealed all kind of problems with this cardbut I finally got around to looking for a Windows 7 64-bit driver. That got me to someone claiming that the updated driver for this device has the problems. So the solution was the delete it (and the files too) and let Win7 reinstall its stock driver. Well, lo and behold, the laptop now sees both the 2.4 and 5 G band networks, as well as their SSIDs. Simple matter after that to get up and going. Not sure I'm going to let the laptop live there, though. I don't really need it for faster downloads. I'd like to give all of that bandwidth to my Tivo downstairs, if possible. On the other hand...I don't use the laptop that much here so sharing probably wouldn't be much of a problem. But now I can use the laptop to see what kind of 5GHz signal I get downstairs near the Tivo. I swore a long time ago to NEVER buy another dell anything. What I didn't swear was to let someone else buy me a dell something. Well, no more dell for me. Period. Same with Apple. Did y'all hear that Verzion and Google claim to be working on an Android Tablet? I hope they keep on track with that as competition is a good thing. On 5/12/2010 1:59 AM, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote: Are both n and g enabled? Set the band to 6 just to make sure. Also give the firmware update... No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus...
Re: [H] Open question?
What need for a laptop unless it's for business purposes and you need to go online periodically during the day when away from home? I can wait until I get back to my desktop. On 5/12/2010 9:36 PM, DSinc wrote: Michael, TNX. This seems to be a new norm. I don't do laptops yet. Duncan On 05/12/2010 20:13, Michael Resnick wrote: Desktops are wired, Laptops are WiFi. At 07:24 PM 5/12/2010, DSinc wrote: Is it fair for me to NOW believe that the majority of this LIST is now actively using WIFI for their internal home LANs? No. I do not wish to start a firestorm with those that use both! The basic question is about the use of WIFI... :) (Are there many of us old fools still using only wired CAT5/6 LANs?) Just wondering? Best, Duncan __ NOD32 5110 (20100512) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __ Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. - Benjamin Franklin PS. Please note that I have switched to my GMAIL address - mike...@gmail.com Please update your email / address book / contact list accordingly. Thanks
Re: [H] File Transfer Rates over Shared Network
Ok...then this makes perfect sense. I guess I got confused as before I had 1 Gbps adapters on the PCs, but a router with a 10/100 Mbps switch. Everything was bottlenecked to the router's speed. But now the router is jacked! So, it is better to let the 2.4 G wireless channel be throttled at 300 Mbps or keep it at 54 Mbps (the 5 G is set at 300 Mbps)? They are now making these 11n usb adapters which claim to bring 300 Mbps to devices that don't have it built in. Well, I don't think that applies to Tivos / Blu rays, but it does to older laptops, I think. I'm just wondering if it is worth the effort to move everything possible to 300 Mbps (on both 2.4 and 5 GHz) so to avoid having older stuff drag down the entire wireless. I could get a wireless N bridge for the AV stuff and a usb N adapter for the older laptop. I don't guess there are 11n repeaters around, right? I have a lot of stuff between my router and my AV system. They are at opposite ends of the house with several walls and a floor between them. On 5/13/2010 8:27 AM, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote: The gig ports are part of a switch. So dedicated bandwidth for each port. So if you are transferring between 2 Gigabit computers a third 10/100 wont slow the network down. Its different from wireless where the slowest one drags the whole network down. On May 13, 2010 3:18 PM, Anthony Q. Martinamar...@charter.net wrote: I thought a ethernet network was limited by the slowest device on the network. With this new Netgear 3700, I have a 1 Gbps network between my wired PC (both with 1 Gbps adapters). So the green lights are on for them. I also have that Powerline network plugged in downstairs and the light shows 10/100 Mbps (amber). It's connected to the Tivo downstairs (which has a 10/100Mbps adapter built in). But I can move files between the two PCs at close to 500 Mbps. Why is that? I thought it was supposed throttle down to 100 Mbps. Is that not true? Apparently, its not, as the file transfer went much faster than I expected. It would truly be nice if all 1 Gbps devices on a shared network could transfer at that speed. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2871 - Release Date: 05/13/10 02:26:00
Re: [H] NetGear WNDR3700
You mean for the dell Latitude? And remove/swap the internal card? Google time... On 5/13/2010 8:32 AM, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote: Just buy a mini pci Intel network card and be done with it. My msi netbook had some obscure Chinese brand and I swapped it for an Intel 5300 (not sure of the model) an the performance difference was like night and day. These wifi cards cost like 30 bucks so its a cheap and cheerful upgrade. On May 12, 2010 10:32 PM, Anthony Q. Martinamar...@charter.net wrote: Bam! I got my Dell Latitude XT to recognize the 5G band of the 3700! Now it reports 270 Mbps. Haven't had time to test it, though, but that's a feel good moment. Turns out the problems was the damn laptop. It has a Dell Wireless 1505 Draft 802.11n WLAN Mini card in it. Googling revealed all kind of problems with this cardbut I finally got around to looking for a Windows 7 64-bit driver. That got me to someone claiming that the updated driver for this device has the problems. So the solution was the delete it (and the files too) and let Win7 reinstall its stock driver. Well, lo and behold, the laptop now sees both the 2.4 and 5 G band networks, as well as their SSIDs. Simple matter after that to get up and going. Not sure I'm going to let the laptop live there, though. I don't really need it for faster downloads. I'd like to give all of that bandwidth to my Tivo downstairs, if possible. On the other hand...I don't use the laptop that much here so sharing probably wouldn't be much of a problem. But now I can use the laptop to see what kind of 5GHz signal I get downstairs near the Tivo. I swore a long time ago to NEVER buy another dell anything. What I didn't swear was to let someone else buy me a dell something. Well, no more dell for me. Period. Same with Apple. Did y'all hear that Verzion and Google claim to be working on an Android Tablet? I hope they keep on track with that as competition is a good thing. On 5/12/2010 1:59 AM, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote: Are both n and g enabled? Set the band to 6 just to make sure. Also give the firmware update... No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus... No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2871 - Release Date: 05/13/10 02:26:00
Re: [H] NetGear WNDR3700
What's the model for the dell card? On May 13, 2010 3:47 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net wrote: You mean for the dell Latitude? And remove/swap the internal card? Google time... On 5/13/2010 8:32 AM, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote: Just buy a mini pci Intel network card and be done with it. My msi netbook had some obscure ... Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2871 - Release Date: 05/13/10 02:26:00
Re: [H] NetGear WNDR3700
It's the dell 1505... http://accessories.dell.com/sna/products/wireless_wifi/productdetail.aspx?c=cal=ens=bsdcs=cabsdt1sku=430-2556 I wonder if this would be the right one...it has the right form factor: http://www.amazon.com/Intel-WiFi-Link-5300-Network/dp/B001EHBUSE/ref=pd_sim_e_1 On 5/13/2010 8:55 AM, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote: What's the model for the dell card? On May 13, 2010 3:47 PM, Anthony Q. Martinamar...@charter.net wrote: You mean for the dell Latitude? And remove/swap the internal card? Google time... On 5/13/2010 8:32 AM, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote: Just buy a mini pci Intel network card and be done with it. My msi netbook had some obscure ... Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2871 - Release Date: 05/13/10 02:26:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2871 - Release Date: 05/13/10 02:26:00
Re: [H] NetGear WNDR3700
this intel card says Centrino/Centrino 2 where as my dell is atom. I wonder if it really has to be matched to the exact processor??/ On 5/13/2010 8:59 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: It's the dell 1505... http://accessories.dell.com/sna/products/wireless_wifi/productdetail.aspx?c=cal=ens=bsdcs=cabsdt1sku=430-2556 I wonder if this would be the right one...it has the right form factor: http://www.amazon.com/Intel-WiFi-Link-5300-Network/dp/B001EHBUSE/ref=pd_sim_e_1 On 5/13/2010 8:55 AM, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote: What's the model for the dell card? On May 13, 2010 3:47 PM, Anthony Q. Martinamar...@charter.net wrote: You mean for the dell Latitude? And remove/swap the internal card? Google time... On 5/13/2010 8:32 AM, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote: Just buy a mini pci Intel network card and be done with it. My msi netbook had some obscure ... Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2871 - Release Date: 05/13/10 02:26:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2871 - Release Date: 05/13/10 02:26:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2871 - Release Date: 05/13/10 02:26:00
Re: [H] Question on video card for HTPC
At 09:21 AM 13/05/2010, tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote: What you really need to do is ditch the card for something like a 5450 (full hd bitstream over hdmi, dxva h264) or a 4350 (lpcm over hdmi, basic bitstream and dxva). Better performance, reliable So just upgrading the card will do me? Sounds good. T
Re: [H] Question on video card for HTPC
At 10:13 AM 13/05/2010, tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote: Yes. Upgrade the card - spend about $40 for one that will do dxva, and you'll get 1080p at about 20% cpu usage or less Awesome. Thanks for the advice. Thane
Re: [H] Question on video card for HTPC
Depends on the player. Thane said he uses VLC. My understanding is that the current version of VLC has no support for any form of GPU offloading. The upcoming, unreleased 1.1 player version will offload SOME work to the GPU via DXVA 2.0. Vista or better is required, and it doesn't offload as much work as other players. So, upgrading the video card won't do any good unless you also change players. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of tmse...@rlrnews.com Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 8:14 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Question on video card for HTPC Yes. Upgrade the card - spend about $40 for one that will do dxva, and you'll get 1080p at about 20% cpu usage or less --Original Message-- From: Thane Sherrington Sender: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com ReplyTo: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Question on video card for HTPC Sent: May 13, 2010 8:08 AM At 09:21 AM 13/05/2010, tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote: What you really need to do is ditch the card for something like a 5450 (full hd bitstream over hdmi, dxva h264) or a 4350 (lpcm over hdmi, basic bitstream and dxva). Better performance, reliable So just upgrading the card will do me? Sounds good. T Sent via BlackBerry
Re: [H] Question on video card for HTPC
At 10:30 AM 13/05/2010, Greg Sevart wrote: Depends on the player. Thane said he uses VLC. My understanding is that the current version of VLC has no support for any form of GPU offloading. The upcoming, unreleased 1.1 player version will offload SOME work to the GPU via DXVA 2.0. Vista or better is required, and it doesn't offload as much work as other players. So, upgrading the video card won't do any good unless you also change players. Ok, that's fine. What player would you recommend? Thane
Re: [H] NetGear WNDR3700
No. Nothing to do with processor. I have the 5300 in an atom netbook. On May 13, 2010 4:06 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net wrote: this intel card says Centrino/Centrino 2 where as my dell is atom. I wonder if it really has to be matched to the exact processor??/ On 5/13/2010 8:59 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: It's the dell 1505... http://accessories.de...
Re: [H] NetGear WNDR3700
I just ordered this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QAY00K/ref=oss_product It has a connection for the third antenna...my laptop as that connection. It might help increase range, too. On 5/13/2010 9:52 AM, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote: No. Nothing to do with processor. I have the 5300 in an atom netbook. On May 13, 2010 4:06 PM, Anthony Q. Martinamar...@charter.net wrote: this intel card says Centrino/Centrino 2 where as my dell is atom. I wonder if it really has to be matched to the exact processor??/ On 5/13/2010 8:59 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: It's the dell 1505... http://accessories.de... No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2871 - Release Date: 05/13/10 02:26:00
Re: [H] Open question?
JRS, Your world I knew. Yes. NAS is quick on the GBit wired LAN. Can not compare with previous 10/100 wired LAN. GBit upgrade was an eye-opener for me. Duncan On 05/13/2010 01:19, John R Steinbruner wrote: Both Both PC's, the laser printer, and both NAS boxen in the computer room are all on a wired Gigabit switch... NAS transfers are very fast that way... :) But I use wireless for the MacBook Pro laptop and the Xbox 360 in the living room where I don't have any ethernet cables.. Works very well for me.. On May 12, 2010, at 4:24 PM, DSinc wrote: Is it fair for me to NOW believe that the majority of this LIST is now actively using WIFI for their internal home LANs? No. I do not wish to start a firestorm with those that use both! The basic question is about the use of WIFI... :) (Are there many of us old fools still using only wired CAT5/6 LANs?) Just wondering? Best, Duncan
Re: [H] Open question?
Steve, TNX. I do understand your choices. I am beginning to rethink my basic assumption/belief. Hmm. Duncan On 05/13/2010 06:02, Steve Tomporowski wrote: All wired here except for one printer on a wireless print buffer. Actually have two separate networks here, my wife's and mine (this is called peace of mind;-). My wife has actually removed the antennae from her router because she was seeing the neighbor's network (well, she realized that only after being convinced I wasn't tapping into her network...) Steve On 5/13/2010 1:19 AM, John R Steinbruner wrote: Both Both PC's, the laser printer, and both NAS boxen in the computer room are all on a wired Gigabit switch... NAS transfers are very fast that way... :) But I use wireless for the MacBook Pro laptop and the Xbox 360 in the living room where I don't have any ethernet cables.. Works very well for me.. On May 12, 2010, at 4:24 PM, DSinc wrote: Is it fair for me to NOW believe that the majority of this LIST is now actively using WIFI for their internal home LANs? No. I do not wish to start a firestorm with those that use both! The basic question is about the use of WIFI... :) (Are there many of us old fools still using only wired CAT5/6 LANs?) Just wondering? Best, Duncan
Re: [H] Open question?
Brian, TNX. I recall that you did mention your choices before. Yes, I am thinking of the guest w/toys angle. I do not do DHCP at my router ATM. But, I may now test this feature with a limited range of addy's for guests to use. I know; more research. Duncan On 05/13/2010 06:22, Brian Weeden wrote: Mix here. Back in 2003 when I lived in Montana I wired my whole house with Cat5e and RG6 drops, of course then I moved a year later and have moved twice more since then (I was in the military until 2007 and my wife still is). So for me to put the time in effort into completely wiring a house each time we move is not very efficient. Right now I'm running an Apple Airport Extreme which sits in the same closet as the main house server (media and backup). That lets me run a wired connection to that server and the upstairs HTPC which is right above it. And other things in the A/V closet (like the Xbox 360) get wired as well . But everything else in the house (my desktop and laptop, wife's laptop, iPhone, random other devices) are all Wifi. The other big reason to have WiF is for visitors. With a 2-mo old and a 2-yr old we are getting a set of grandparents or siblings stopping by for a few days every few months, and they all have laptops or netbooks in tow and need net access to do work or just surf/email. I detect from some people a pretty strong aversion to Wireless, and I would ask why that is. WiFi is not some new-fangled thing - it's been around and in increasingly heavy us for the better part of a decade. Certainly, there are some applications that have large enough bandwidth requirements that wired is preferable. That's why my HTPCs are wired to the content server. But for most other things WiFi (especially N) is more than fast enough and the lack of wires is a huge benefit. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US
Re: [H] Open question?
Gary, TNX. Understand. My clients are spread throughout the house. Have always been wired since the start. Duncan On 05/13/2010 07:04, Gary Jackson wrote: Being home bound with vision problems, wifi really doesn't offer me anything that wired doesn't do better. If I was more mobile, I would probably use both. RegardsGary At 06:24 PM 5/12/2010, It was written by DSinc that this shall come to pass: Is it fair for me to NOW believe that the majority of this LIST is now actively using WIFI for their internal home LANs? No. I do not wish to start a firestorm with those that use both! The basic question is about the use of WIFI... :) (Are there many of us old fools still using only wired CAT5/6 LANs?) Just wondering? Best, Duncan
Re: [H] Open question?
Joe User, TNX. Understand the need in a consultant/repair environment. I do not consult (except w/family) and fix my own boo-boo's with help from the List. Duncan On 05/13/2010 08:16, Joe User wrote: Hello DSinc, Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 6:24:52 PM, you wrote: Is it fair for me to NOW believe that the majority of this LIST is now actively using WIFI for their internal home LANs? Hell no, 10/100 here. Use wireless as needed. Turned on and off.
Re: [H] Open question?
Why so complex, Duncan? Lock your wireless network down with a hard password and give the guess a simple one. I use a 63 digit hex string for my network from wireless. For the guest part, which are not allowed to see my computers, I have a simple one that I can tell them. On 5/13/2010 10:29 AM, DSinc wrote: Brian, TNX. I recall that you did mention your choices before. Yes, I am thinking of the guest w/toys angle. I do not do DHCP at my router ATM. But, I may now test this feature with a limited range of addy's for guests to use. I know; more research. Duncan On 05/13/2010 06:22, Brian Weeden wrote: Mix here. Back in 2003 when I lived in Montana I wired my whole house with Cat5e and RG6 drops, of course then I moved a year later and have moved twice more since then (I was in the military until 2007 and my wife still is). So for me to put the time in effort into completely wiring a house each time we move is not very efficient. Right now I'm running an Apple Airport Extreme which sits in the same closet as the main house server (media and backup). That lets me run a wired connection to that server and the upstairs HTPC which is right above it. And other things in the A/V closet (like the Xbox 360) get wired as well . But everything else in the house (my desktop and laptop, wife's laptop, iPhone, random other devices) are all Wifi. The other big reason to have WiF is for visitors. With a 2-mo old and a 2-yr old we are getting a set of grandparents or siblings stopping by for a few days every few months, and they all have laptops or netbooks in tow and need net access to do work or just surf/email. I detect from some people a pretty strong aversion to Wireless, and I would ask why that is. WiFi is not some new-fangled thing - it's been around and in increasingly heavy us for the better part of a decade. Certainly, there are some applications that have large enough bandwidth requirements that wired is preferable. That's why my HTPCs are wired to the content server. But for most other things WiFi (especially N) is more than fast enough and the lack of wires is a huge benefit. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2871 - Release Date: 05/13/10 02:26:00
Re: [H] Question on video card for HTPC
Hello, I recommend SMPlayer or Media Player Classic if you want to go the free route. I prefer Zoom Player though. Regards, Tim Lider Sr. Data Recovery Specialist Advanced Data Solutions, LLC http://www.adv-data.com -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 6:37 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Question on video card for HTPC At 10:30 AM 13/05/2010, Greg Sevart wrote: Depends on the player. Thane said he uses VLC. My understanding is that the current version of VLC has no support for any form of GPU offloading. The upcoming, unreleased 1.1 player version will offload SOME work to the GPU via DXVA 2.0. Vista or better is required, and it doesn't offload as much work as other players. So, upgrading the video card won't do any good unless you also change players. Ok, that's fine. What player would you recommend? Thane
Re: [H] Open question?
Anthony, I suppose the main fear is security. I just do not wish to become an RF transmission site. Yes, I am aware that encryption tech has improved over the years, but, I just do not care to share my keystrokes in free space. Yes, I do use a 5.8GHz telephone. But, I do not spend much time on the phone. Besides, most of my phone traffic is robo-political calls and saying No to various charities seeking contributions... :) Additionally, I noticed that when I upgraded to my current DGL-4300 router, and tested its' WIFI side, I found a few too many strong hot-spots in my neighborhood. I will watch WIFI as it improves and matures. I do believe that service providers may drive me to WIFI in the future anyway (ATT is already!). But, until wired LAN is restricted to only commercial/industrial space, I will stay wired-only. Let's just call this my tin-hat issue. Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 06:45, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Why do you fear WIFI, Duncan? On 5/12/2010 11:14 PM, DSinc wrote: Greg, TNX. I've always known you were into it all... :) Logic for WIFI makes sense; though I still fear it. Duncan On 05/12/2010 23:04, Greg Sevart wrote: Wired for all workstations, servers, and devices/appliances (ie: TV, blu-ray player, Dish receivers). WiFi N for laptops WiFi G for phones/other that don't speak N Wireless is great for any device you don't want to be tethered on, but nothing beats the performance, security, and reliability of good old fashioned twisted pair. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:25 PM To: Hardware Group Subject: [H] Open question? Is it fair for me to NOW believe that the majority of this LIST is now actively using WIFI for their internal home LANs? No. I do not wish to start a firestorm with those that use both! The basic question is about the use of WIFI... :) (Are there many of us old fools still using only wired CAT5/6 LANs?) Just wondering? Best, Duncan No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2870 - Release Date: 05/12/10 14:26:00
Re: [H] Question on video card for HTPC
At this point, especially with the addons, I've never understood the opposition to wmc7, which is a pretty well controlled platform for htpc. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Tim Lider timli...@adv-data.com Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 07:45:32 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Question on video card for HTPC Hello, I recommend SMPlayer or Media Player Classic if you want to go the free route. I prefer Zoom Player though. Regards, Tim Lider Sr. Data Recovery Specialist Advanced Data Solutions, LLC http://www.adv-data.com -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 6:37 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Question on video card for HTPC At 10:30 AM 13/05/2010, Greg Sevart wrote: Depends on the player. Thane said he uses VLC. My understanding is that the current version of VLC has no support for any form of GPU offloading. The upcoming, unreleased 1.1 player version will offload SOME work to the GPU via DXVA 2.0. Vista or better is required, and it doesn't offload as much work as other players. So, upgrading the video card won't do any good unless you also change players. Ok, that's fine. What player would you recommend? Thane
Re: [H] Open question?
hehe...Ok, Duncan. Just curious, though...what do you mean by few too many strong hot-spots? Are people in your 'hood leaving their wireless networks open? I can see my neighbors networks, but they all appear to be secure. I think the providers are making sure they setup the customers with secure networks, but it's no telling how hard the passphrase are... But I do think someone can still sniff your keystrokes...unless your keyboard itself is tempest then one can make a trip to radioshack to see what top secret stuff you are typing. best. On 5/13/2010 10:49 AM, DSinc wrote: Anthony, I suppose the main fear is security. I just do not wish to become an RF transmission site. Yes, I am aware that encryption tech has improved over the years, but, I just do not care to share my keystrokes in free space. Yes, I do use a 5.8GHz telephone. But, I do not spend much time on the phone. Besides, most of my phone traffic is robo-political calls and saying No to various charities seeking contributions... :) Additionally, I noticed that when I upgraded to my current DGL-4300 router, and tested its' WIFI side, I found a few too many strong hot-spots in my neighborhood. I will watch WIFI as it improves and matures. I do believe that service providers may drive me to WIFI in the future anyway (ATT is already!). But, until wired LAN is restricted to only commercial/industrial space, I will stay wired-only. Let's just call this my tin-hat issue. Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 06:45, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Why do you fear WIFI, Duncan? On 5/12/2010 11:14 PM, DSinc wrote: Greg, TNX. I've always known you were into it all... :) Logic for WIFI makes sense; though I still fear it. Duncan On 05/12/2010 23:04, Greg Sevart wrote: Wired for all workstations, servers, and devices/appliances (ie: TV, blu-ray player, Dish receivers). WiFi N for laptops WiFi G for phones/other that don't speak N Wireless is great for any device you don't want to be tethered on, but nothing beats the performance, security, and reliability of good old fashioned twisted pair. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:25 PM To: Hardware Group Subject: [H] Open question? Is it fair for me to NOW believe that the majority of this LIST is now actively using WIFI for their internal home LANs? No. I do not wish to start a firestorm with those that use both! The basic question is about the use of WIFI... :) (Are there many of us old fools still using only wired CAT5/6 LANs?) Just wondering? Best, Duncan No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2870 - Release Date: 05/12/10 14:26:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2871 - Release Date: 05/13/10 02:26:00
Re: [H] Question on video card for HTPC
At 11:45 AM 13/05/2010, Tim Lider wrote: Hello, I recommend SMPlayer or Media Player Classic if you want to go the free route. I prefer Zoom Player though. I always like Zoom Player on my old system - I'll go that route. Thane
Re: [H] Open question?
Anthony, I suppose we have different feelings about complex. I feel that WIFI is a level of 'complex' I just do not yet require. Nothing more. I understand your position and use of WIFI. Yes, a 63-digit master PW would make much sense. But, even in my 'primitive' wired LAN, my guests have no access to my LAN clients (tested). Yes, guests can only see my LAN clients, but can only USE/Access my router/gateway for internet surfing. Different strokes, I suppose. Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 10:36, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Why so complex, Duncan? Lock your wireless network down with a hard password and give the guess a simple one. I use a 63 digit hex string for my network from wireless. For the guest part, which are not allowed to see my computers, I have a simple one that I can tell them. On 5/13/2010 10:29 AM, DSinc wrote: Brian, TNX. I recall that you did mention your choices before. Yes, I am thinking of the guest w/toys angle. I do not do DHCP at my router ATM. But, I may now test this feature with a limited range of addy's for guests to use. I know; more research. Duncan On 05/13/2010 06:22, Brian Weeden wrote: Mix here. Back in 2003 when I lived in Montana I wired my whole house with Cat5e and RG6 drops, of course then I moved a year later and have moved twice more since then (I was in the military until 2007 and my wife still is). So for me to put the time in effort into completely wiring a house each time we move is not very efficient. Right now I'm running an Apple Airport Extreme which sits in the same closet as the main house server (media and backup). That lets me run a wired connection to that server and the upstairs HTPC which is right above it. And other things in the A/V closet (like the Xbox 360) get wired as well . But everything else in the house (my desktop and laptop, wife's laptop, iPhone, random other devices) are all Wifi. The other big reason to have WiF is for visitors. With a 2-mo old and a 2-yr old we are getting a set of grandparents or siblings stopping by for a few days every few months, and they all have laptops or netbooks in tow and need net access to do work or just surf/email. I detect from some people a pretty strong aversion to Wireless, and I would ask why that is. WiFi is not some new-fangled thing - it's been around and in increasingly heavy us for the better part of a decade. Certainly, there are some applications that have large enough bandwidth requirements that wired is preferable. That's why my HTPCs are wired to the content server. But for most other things WiFi (especially N) is more than fast enough and the lack of wires is a huge benefit. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2871 - Release Date: 05/13/10 02:26:00
Re: [H] Open question?
If you are using WPA2 encryption on your WiFi then you have nothing to worry about in terms of someone cracking it, especially if you use a 64 character password generated by this site: https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:08 AM, DSinc dx7...@bellsouth.net wrote: Anthony, I suppose we have different feelings about complex. I feel that WIFI is a level of 'complex' I just do not yet require. Nothing more. I understand your position and use of WIFI. Yes, a 63-digit master PW would make much sense. But, even in my 'primitive' wired LAN, my guests have no access to my LAN clients (tested). Yes, guests can only see my LAN clients, but can only USE/Access my router/gateway for internet surfing. Different strokes, I suppose. Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 10:36, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Why so complex, Duncan? Lock your wireless network down with a hard password and give the guess a simple one. I use a 63 digit hex string for my network from wireless. For the guest part, which are not allowed to see my computers, I have a simple one that I can tell them. On 5/13/2010 10:29 AM, DSinc wrote: Brian, TNX. I recall that you did mention your choices before. Yes, I am thinking of the guest w/toys angle. I do not do DHCP at my router ATM. But, I may now test this feature with a limited range of addy's for guests to use. I know; more research. Duncan On 05/13/2010 06:22, Brian Weeden wrote: Mix here. Back in 2003 when I lived in Montana I wired my whole house with Cat5e and RG6 drops, of course then I moved a year later and have moved twice more since then (I was in the military until 2007 and my wife still is). So for me to put the time in effort into completely wiring a house each time we move is not very efficient. Right now I'm running an Apple Airport Extreme which sits in the same closet as the main house server (media and backup). That lets me run a wired connection to that server and the upstairs HTPC which is right above it. And other things in the A/V closet (like the Xbox 360) get wired as well . But everything else in the house (my desktop and laptop, wife's laptop, iPhone, random other devices) are all Wifi. The other big reason to have WiF is for visitors. With a 2-mo old and a 2-yr old we are getting a set of grandparents or siblings stopping by for a few days every few months, and they all have laptops or netbooks in tow and need net access to do work or just surf/email. I detect from some people a pretty strong aversion to Wireless, and I would ask why that is. WiFi is not some new-fangled thing - it's been around and in increasingly heavy us for the better part of a decade. Certainly, there are some applications that have large enough bandwidth requirements that wired is preferable. That's why my HTPCs are wired to the content server. But for most other things WiFi (especially N) is more than fast enough and the lack of wires is a huge benefit. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2871 - Release Date: 05/13/10 02:26:00
Re: [H] Open question?
Anthony, LOL! Yes, I live in a neighborhood of Good Ole' Boys. And, I have met many of them over the past 6 years. None of them work at (minimum) Radio Shack, or, any of the 3 computer stores in my location. These folk do beer, babes, V8 cars/trucks, and cable/sat TV. Uh, installed by a service provider? Not here brother! Let's call cousin Jo-Bob! He's always online playing _! (fill-in!) PassPhrase? I could only hope. The spurious RF in my neighborhood caused my router's WIFI side to have trouble linking with a test client inside my house15ft away from the router. WIFI has been shut off since installation. I suppose that if I used a wireless keyboard/mouse, then yes. But, I do not use wireless anything. My keyboards and mice are all remain PS/2. Still smiling, though. Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 10:59, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: hehe...Ok, Duncan. Just curious, though...what do you mean by few too many strong hot-spots? Are people in your 'hood leaving their wireless networks open? I can see my neighbors networks, but they all appear to be secure. I think the providers are making sure they setup the customers with secure networks, but it's no telling how hard the passphrase are... But I do think someone can still sniff your keystrokes...unless your keyboard itself is tempest then one can make a trip to radioshack to see what top secret stuff you are typing. best. On 5/13/2010 10:49 AM, DSinc wrote: Anthony, I suppose the main fear is security. I just do not wish to become an RF transmission site. Yes, I am aware that encryption tech has improved over the years, but, I just do not care to share my keystrokes in free space. Yes, I do use a 5.8GHz telephone. But, I do not spend much time on the phone. Besides, most of my phone traffic is robo-political calls and saying No to various charities seeking contributions... :) Additionally, I noticed that when I upgraded to my current DGL-4300 router, and tested its' WIFI side, I found a few too many strong hot-spots in my neighborhood. I will watch WIFI as it improves and matures. I do believe that service providers may drive me to WIFI in the future anyway (ATT is already!). But, until wired LAN is restricted to only commercial/industrial space, I will stay wired-only. Let's just call this my tin-hat issue. Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 06:45, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Why do you fear WIFI, Duncan? On 5/12/2010 11:14 PM, DSinc wrote: Greg, TNX. I've always known you were into it all... :) Logic for WIFI makes sense; though I still fear it. Duncan On 05/12/2010 23:04, Greg Sevart wrote: Wired for all workstations, servers, and devices/appliances (ie: TV, blu-ray player, Dish receivers). WiFi N for laptops WiFi G for phones/other that don't speak N Wireless is great for any device you don't want to be tethered on, but nothing beats the performance, security, and reliability of good old fashioned twisted pair. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:25 PM To: Hardware Group Subject: [H] Open question? Is it fair for me to NOW believe that the majority of this LIST is now actively using WIFI for their internal home LANs? No. I do not wish to start a firestorm with those that use both! The basic question is about the use of WIFI... :) (Are there many of us old fools still using only wired CAT5/6 LANs?) Just wondering? Best, Duncan No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2870 - Release Date: 05/12/10 14:26:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2871 - Release Date: 05/13/10 02:26:00
Re: [H] NetGear WNDR3700
I purchased this same card on April 28, 2009 On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: I just ordered this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QAY00K/ref=oss_product It has a connection for the third antenna...my laptop as that connection. It might help increase range, too. On 5/13/2010 9:52 AM, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote: No. Nothing to do with processor. I have the 5300 in an atom netbook. On May 13, 2010 4:06 PM, Anthony Q. Martinamar...@charter.net wrote: this intel card says Centrino/Centrino 2 where as my dell is atom. I wonder if it really has to be matched to the exact processor??/ On 5/13/2010 8:59 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: It's the dell 1505... http://accessories.de... No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2871 - Release Date: 05/13/10 02:26:00 -- Best Regards, Zulfiqar Naushad
Re: [H] Open question?
Brian, TNX. Yes, am aware of the new WPA2 encryption, and, this website. GRC and I have been friends for many years. I accept that WIFI will fully mature as it gets pushed harder into the consumer space for all things INTERNET. I simply choose to delay this technology at my home until my current LAN tech no longer works. Computing and Mobility remain mutually exclusive issues to me. Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 11:15, Brian Weeden wrote: If you are using WPA2 encryption on your WiFi then you have nothing to worry about in terms of someone cracking it, especially if you use a 64 character password generated by this site: https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:08 AM, DSincdx7...@bellsouth.net wrote: Anthony, I suppose we have different feelings about complex. I feel that WIFI is a level of 'complex' I just do not yet require. Nothing more. I understand your position and use of WIFI. Yes, a 63-digit master PW would make much sense. But, even in my 'primitive' wired LAN, my guests have no access to my LAN clients (tested). Yes, guests can only see my LAN clients, but can only USE/Access my router/gateway for internet surfing. Different strokes, I suppose. Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 10:36, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Why so complex, Duncan? Lock your wireless network down with a hard password and give the guess a simple one. I use a 63 digit hex string for my network from wireless. For the guest part, which are not allowed to see my computers, I have a simple one that I can tell them. On 5/13/2010 10:29 AM, DSinc wrote: Brian, TNX. I recall that you did mention your choices before. Yes, I am thinking of the guest w/toys angle. I do not do DHCP at my router ATM. But, I may now test this feature with a limited range of addy's for guests to use. I know; more research. Duncan On 05/13/2010 06:22, Brian Weeden wrote: Mix here. Back in 2003 when I lived in Montana I wired my whole house with Cat5e and RG6 drops, of course then I moved a year later and have moved twice more since then (I was in the military until 2007 and my wife still is). So for me to put the time in effort into completely wiring a house each time we move is not very efficient. Right now I'm running an Apple Airport Extreme which sits in the same closet as the main house server (media and backup). That lets me run a wired connection to that server and the upstairs HTPC which is right above it. And other things in the A/V closet (like the Xbox 360) get wired as well . But everything else in the house (my desktop and laptop, wife's laptop, iPhone, random other devices) are all Wifi. The other big reason to have WiF is for visitors. With a 2-mo old and a 2-yr old we are getting a set of grandparents or siblings stopping by for a few days every few months, and they all have laptops or netbooks in tow and need net access to do work or just surf/email. I detect from some people a pretty strong aversion to Wireless, and I would ask why that is. WiFi is not some new-fangled thing - it's been around and in increasingly heavy us for the better part of a decade. Certainly, there are some applications that have large enough bandwidth requirements that wired is preferable. That's why my HTPCs are wired to the content server. But for most other things WiFi (especially N) is more than fast enough and the lack of wires is a huge benefit. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2871 - Release Date: 05/13/10 02:26:00
Re: [H] Open question?
At 01:23 PM 13/05/2010, DSinc wrote: Brian, TNX. Yes, am aware of the new WPA2 encryption, and, this website. GRC and I have been friends for many years. I accept that WIFI will fully mature as it gets pushed harder into the consumer space for all things INTERNET. I simply choose to delay this technology at my home until my current LAN tech no longer works. Computing and Mobility remain mutually exclusive issues to me. Just remember that Gibson stated that WPA was completely safe whilst WEP was not. Now that has changed to WPA2. I use wireless happily, but it's not cable. T
Re: [H] NetGear WNDR3700
HA! You ordered the cheapest one you could find too, huh? From reviews it sounds like it will do the job, though. On 5/13/2010 12:13 PM, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote: I purchased this same card on April 28, 2009 On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Anthony Q. Martinamar...@charter.netwrote: I just ordered this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QAY00K/ref=oss_product It has a connection for the third antenna...my laptop as that connection. It might help increase range, too.
Re: [H] Open question?
Unless they are shielded, they still leak some RF energy, bro! On 5/13/2010 12:11 PM, DSinc wrote: Anthony, LOL! Yes, I live in a neighborhood of Good Ole' Boys. And, I have met many of them over the past 6 years. None of them work at (minimum) Radio Shack, or, any of the 3 computer stores in my location. These folk do beer, babes, V8 cars/trucks, and cable/sat TV. Uh, installed by a service provider? Not here brother! Let's call cousin Jo-Bob! He's always online playing _! (fill-in!) PassPhrase? I could only hope. The spurious RF in my neighborhood caused my router's WIFI side to have trouble linking with a test client inside my house15ft away from the router. WIFI has been shut off since installation. I suppose that if I used a wireless keyboard/mouse, then yes. But, I do not use wireless anything. My keyboards and mice are all remain PS/2. Still smiling, though. Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 10:59, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: hehe...Ok, Duncan. Just curious, though...what do you mean by few too many strong hot-spots? Are people in your 'hood leaving their wireless networks open? I can see my neighbors networks, but they all appear to be secure. I think the providers are making sure they setup the customers with secure networks, but it's no telling how hard the passphrase are... But I do think someone can still sniff your keystrokes...unless your keyboard itself is tempest then one can make a trip to radioshack to see what top secret stuff you are typing. best. On 5/13/2010 10:49 AM, DSinc wrote: Anthony, I suppose the main fear is security. I just do not wish to become an RF transmission site. Yes, I am aware that encryption tech has improved over the years, but, I just do not care to share my keystrokes in free space. Yes, I do use a 5.8GHz telephone. But, I do not spend much time on the phone. Besides, most of my phone traffic is robo-political calls and saying No to various charities seeking contributions... :) Additionally, I noticed that when I upgraded to my current DGL-4300 router, and tested its' WIFI side, I found a few too many strong hot-spots in my neighborhood. I will watch WIFI as it improves and matures. I do believe that service providers may drive me to WIFI in the future anyway (ATT is already!). But, until wired LAN is restricted to only commercial/industrial space, I will stay wired-only. Let's just call this my tin-hat issue. Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 06:45, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Why do you fear WIFI, Duncan? On 5/12/2010 11:14 PM, DSinc wrote: Greg, TNX. I've always known you were into it all... :) Logic for WIFI makes sense; though I still fear it. Duncan On 05/12/2010 23:04, Greg Sevart wrote: Wired for all workstations, servers, and devices/appliances (ie: TV, blu-ray player, Dish receivers). WiFi N for laptops WiFi G for phones/other that don't speak N Wireless is great for any device you don't want to be tethered on, but nothing beats the performance, security, and reliability of good old fashioned twisted pair. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:25 PM To: Hardware Group Subject: [H] Open question? Is it fair for me to NOW believe that the majority of this LIST is now actively using WIFI for their internal home LANs? No. I do not wish to start a firestorm with those that use both! The basic question is about the use of WIFI... :) (Are there many of us old fools still using only wired CAT5/6 LANs?) Just wondering? Best, Duncan No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2870 - Release Date: 05/12/10 14:26:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2871 - Release Date: 05/13/10 02:26:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2871 - Release Date: 05/13/10 02:26:00
Re: [H] Open question?
At 01:32 PM 13/05/2010, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Unless they are shielded, they still leak some RF energy, bro! Doesn't matter, he wears lead long underwear. :) T
Re: [H] Open question?
Gibson has also acknowledged many times that there is no such thing as perfect security for ANYTHING. Given a long enough timeline, anything can be broken or cracked. It all depends how far your paranoia goes. If you absolutely want to ensure your security and privacy, then you should live in a Faraday cage and never use the Internet. Everything else is just various shades of compromising your security for the sake of functionality or ease of use. That's fine, as long as you realize that anything other than the cage and no Internet has some compromise on security. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Thane Sherrington th...@computerconnectionltd.com wrote: At 01:23 PM 13/05/2010, DSinc wrote: Brian, TNX. Yes, am aware of the new WPA2 encryption, and, this website. GRC and I have been friends for many years. I accept that WIFI will fully mature as it gets pushed harder into the consumer space for all things INTERNET. I simply choose to delay this technology at my home until my current LAN tech no longer works. Computing and Mobility remain mutually exclusive issues to me. Just remember that Gibson stated that WPA was completely safe whilst WEP was not. Now that has changed to WPA2. I use wireless happily, but it's not cable. T
Re: [H] Open question?
Anthony, OK. I'll get my old RF sniffer out again next week and check my 4 keyboards and mice ;) What kind of shields do you mean? I don't think the punks in pocket race cars w/WIFI scanners see anything but my m/b's or my microwave. I could be wrong, but, I believe I am roughly RF neutral. Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 12:32, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Unless they are shielded, they still leak some RF energy, bro! On 5/13/2010 12:11 PM, DSinc wrote: Anthony, LOL! Yes, I live in a neighborhood of Good Ole' Boys. And, I have met many of them over the past 6 years. None of them work at (minimum) Radio Shack, or, any of the 3 computer stores in my location. These folk do beer, babes, V8 cars/trucks, and cable/sat TV. Uh, installed by a service provider? Not here brother! Let's call cousin Jo-Bob! He's always online playing _! (fill-in!) PassPhrase? I could only hope. The spurious RF in my neighborhood caused my router's WIFI side to have trouble linking with a test client inside my house15ft away from the router. WIFI has been shut off since installation. I suppose that if I used a wireless keyboard/mouse, then yes. But, I do not use wireless anything. My keyboards and mice are all remain PS/2. Still smiling, though. Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 10:59, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: hehe...Ok, Duncan. Just curious, though...what do you mean by few too many strong hot-spots? Are people in your 'hood leaving their wireless networks open? I can see my neighbors networks, but they all appear to be secure. I think the providers are making sure they setup the customers with secure networks, but it's no telling how hard the passphrase are... But I do think someone can still sniff your keystrokes...unless your keyboard itself is tempest then one can make a trip to radioshack to see what top secret stuff you are typing. best. On 5/13/2010 10:49 AM, DSinc wrote: Anthony, I suppose the main fear is security. I just do not wish to become an RF transmission site. Yes, I am aware that encryption tech has improved over the years, but, I just do not care to share my keystrokes in free space. Yes, I do use a 5.8GHz telephone. But, I do not spend much time on the phone. Besides, most of my phone traffic is robo-political calls and saying No to various charities seeking contributions... :) Additionally, I noticed that when I upgraded to my current DGL-4300 router, and tested its' WIFI side, I found a few too many strong hot-spots in my neighborhood. I will watch WIFI as it improves and matures. I do believe that service providers may drive me to WIFI in the future anyway (ATT is already!). But, until wired LAN is restricted to only commercial/industrial space, I will stay wired-only. Let's just call this my tin-hat issue. Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 06:45, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Why do you fear WIFI, Duncan? On 5/12/2010 11:14 PM, DSinc wrote: Greg, TNX. I've always known you were into it all... :) Logic for WIFI makes sense; though I still fear it. Duncan On 05/12/2010 23:04, Greg Sevart wrote: Wired for all workstations, servers, and devices/appliances (ie: TV, blu-ray player, Dish receivers). WiFi N for laptops WiFi G for phones/other that don't speak N Wireless is great for any device you don't want to be tethered on, but nothing beats the performance, security, and reliability of good old fashioned twisted pair. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:25 PM To: Hardware Group Subject: [H] Open question? Is it fair for me to NOW believe that the majority of this LIST is now actively using WIFI for their internal home LANs? No. I do not wish to start a firestorm with those that use both! The basic question is about the use of WIFI... :) (Are there many of us old fools still using only wired CAT5/6 LANs?) Just wondering? Best, Duncan No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2870 - Release Date: 05/12/10 14:26:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2871 - Release Date: 05/13/10 02:26:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2871 - Release Date: 05/13/10 02:26:00
Re: [H] Open question?
Thane, LMAO!!! But, hey? Not a bad idea! This coming summer could be a bit soggy however. I am in shorts/t-shirt weather ATM. Those longies might start a new fashion-trend. Believe I'll pass. Besides, my home is mostly lead-free (w/certificate). Nah!! Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 12:45, Thane Sherrington wrote: At 01:32 PM 13/05/2010, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Unless they are shielded, they still leak some RF energy, bro! Doesn't matter, he wears lead long underwear. :) T
Re: [H] Open question?
Yes, you are relative to the lock punks. But even regular Wifi security can defeat them. In the defense industry common PC components have to be locked down again stray RF because spies in parking lots can sniff signals...even those on wired keyboards. I used to work inside a small room with 1-foot metal walls on all sides. Heck, even football coaches use this tech to keep opposing teams from sniff playbooks! So, if your stuff is that important... :) Anyway, not trying to talk you into anything. Keep doing what you're doing, man! Be happy! On 5/13/2010 1:14 PM, DSinc wrote: Anthony, OK. I'll get my old RF sniffer out again next week and check my 4 keyboards and mice ;) What kind of shields do you mean? I don't think the punks in pocket race cars w/WIFI scanners see anything but my m/b's or my microwave. I could be wrong, but, I believe I am roughly RF neutral. Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 12:32, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Unless they are shielded, they still leak some RF energy, bro! On 5/13/2010 12:11 PM, DSinc wrote: Anthony, LOL! Yes, I live in a neighborhood of Good Ole' Boys. And, I have met many of them over the past 6 years. None of them work at (minimum) Radio Shack, or, any of the 3 computer stores in my location. These folk do beer, babes, V8 cars/trucks, and cable/sat TV. Uh, installed by a service provider? Not here brother! Let's call cousin Jo-Bob! He's always online playing _! (fill-in!) PassPhrase? I could only hope. The spurious RF in my neighborhood caused my router's WIFI side to have trouble linking with a test client inside my house15ft away from the router. WIFI has been shut off since installation. I suppose that if I used a wireless keyboard/mouse, then yes. But, I do not use wireless anything. My keyboards and mice are all remain PS/2. Still smiling, though. Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 10:59, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: hehe...Ok, Duncan. Just curious, though...what do you mean by few too many strong hot-spots? Are people in your 'hood leaving their wireless networks open? I can see my neighbors networks, but they all appear to be secure. I think the providers are making sure they setup the customers with secure networks, but it's no telling how hard the passphrase are... But I do think someone can still sniff your keystrokes...unless your keyboard itself is tempest then one can make a trip to radioshack to see what top secret stuff you are typing. best. On 5/13/2010 10:49 AM, DSinc wrote: Anthony, I suppose the main fear is security. I just do not wish to become an RF transmission site. Yes, I am aware that encryption tech has improved over the years, but, I just do not care to share my keystrokes in free space. Yes, I do use a 5.8GHz telephone. But, I do not spend much time on the phone. Besides, most of my phone traffic is robo-political calls and saying No to various charities seeking contributions... :) Additionally, I noticed that when I upgraded to my current DGL-4300 router, and tested its' WIFI side, I found a few too many strong hot-spots in my neighborhood. I will watch WIFI as it improves and matures. I do believe that service providers may drive me to WIFI in the future anyway (ATT is already!). But, until wired LAN is restricted to only commercial/industrial space, I will stay wired-only. Let's just call this my tin-hat issue. Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 06:45, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Why do you fear WIFI, Duncan? On 5/12/2010 11:14 PM, DSinc wrote: Greg, TNX. I've always known you were into it all... :) Logic for WIFI makes sense; though I still fear it. Duncan On 05/12/2010 23:04, Greg Sevart wrote: Wired for all workstations, servers, and devices/appliances (ie: TV, blu-ray player, Dish receivers). WiFi N for laptops WiFi G for phones/other that don't speak N Wireless is great for any device you don't want to be tethered on, but nothing beats the performance, security, and reliability of good old fashioned twisted pair. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:25 PM To: Hardware Group Subject: [H] Open question? Is it fair for me to NOW believe that the majority of this LIST is now actively using WIFI for their internal home LANs? No. I do not wish to start a firestorm with those that use both! The basic question is about the use of WIFI... :) (Are there many of us old fools still using only wired CAT5/6 LANs?) Just wondering? Best, Duncan No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2870 - Release Date: 05/12/10 14:26:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2871 - Release Date: 05/13/10 02:26:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus
Re: [H] Open question?
Since we're bringing up lead walls, if people are interested in that kind of stuff, look up TEMPEST. Julian On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: Yes, you are relative to the lock punks. But even regular Wifi security can defeat them. In the defense industry common PC components have to be locked down again stray RF because spies in parking lots can sniff signals...even those on wired keyboards. I used to work inside a small room with 1-foot metal walls on all sides. Heck, even football coaches use this tech to keep opposing teams from sniff playbooks! So, if your stuff is that important... :) Anyway, not trying to talk you into anything. Keep doing what you're doing, man! Be happy! On 5/13/2010 1:14 PM, DSinc wrote: Anthony, OK. I'll get my old RF sniffer out again next week and check my 4 keyboards and mice ;) What kind of shields do you mean? I don't think the punks in pocket race cars w/WIFI scanners see anything but my m/b's or my microwave. I could be wrong, but, I believe I am roughly RF neutral. Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 12:32, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Unless they are shielded, they still leak some RF energy, bro! On 5/13/2010 12:11 PM, DSinc wrote: Anthony, LOL! Yes, I live in a neighborhood of Good Ole' Boys. And, I have met many of them over the past 6 years. None of them work at (minimum) Radio Shack, or, any of the 3 computer stores in my location. These folk do beer, babes, V8 cars/trucks, and cable/sat TV. Uh, installed by a service provider? Not here brother! Let's call cousin Jo-Bob! He's always online playing _! (fill-in!) PassPhrase? I could only hope. The spurious RF in my neighborhood caused my router's WIFI side to have trouble linking with a test client inside my house15ft away from the router. WIFI has been shut off since installation. I suppose that if I used a wireless keyboard/mouse, then yes. But, I do not use wireless anything. My keyboards and mice are all remain PS/2. Still smiling, though. Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 10:59, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: hehe...Ok, Duncan. Just curious, though...what do you mean by few too many strong hot-spots? Are people in your 'hood leaving their wireless networks open? I can see my neighbors networks, but they all appear to be secure. I think the providers are making sure they setup the customers with secure networks, but it's no telling how hard the passphrase are... But I do think someone can still sniff your keystrokes...unless your keyboard itself is tempest then one can make a trip to radioshack to see what top secret stuff you are typing. best. On 5/13/2010 10:49 AM, DSinc wrote: Anthony, I suppose the main fear is security. I just do not wish to become an RF transmission site. Yes, I am aware that encryption tech has improved over the years, but, I just do not care to share my keystrokes in free space. Yes, I do use a 5.8GHz telephone. But, I do not spend much time on the phone. Besides, most of my phone traffic is robo-political calls and saying No to various charities seeking contributions... :) Additionally, I noticed that when I upgraded to my current DGL-4300 router, and tested its' WIFI side, I found a few too many strong hot-spots in my neighborhood. I will watch WIFI as it improves and matures. I do believe that service providers may drive me to WIFI in the future anyway (ATT is already!). But, until wired LAN is restricted to only commercial/industrial space, I will stay wired-only. Let's just call this my tin-hat issue. Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 06:45, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Why do you fear WIFI, Duncan? On 5/12/2010 11:14 PM, DSinc wrote: Greg, TNX. I've always known you were into it all... :) Logic for WIFI makes sense; though I still fear it. Duncan On 05/12/2010 23:04, Greg Sevart wrote: Wired for all workstations, servers, and devices/appliances (ie: TV, blu-ray player, Dish receivers). WiFi N for laptops WiFi G for phones/other that don't speak N Wireless is great for any device you don't want to be tethered on, but nothing beats the performance, security, and reliability of good old fashioned twisted pair. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:25 PM To: Hardware Group Subject: [H] Open question? Is it fair for me to NOW believe that the majority of this LIST is now actively using WIFI for their internal home LANs? No. I do not wish to start a firestorm with those that use both! The basic question is about the use of WIFI... :) (Are there many of us old fools still using only wired CAT5/6 LANs?) Just wondering? Best, Duncan No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2870 - Release Date:
[H] Google chrome ?
Son put Google chrome in his system. pretty peppy but how secure is it ? Updated his security sw just in case. Also installed Limewire. I have always been leery of this sharing stuff and too old to change. seen way too many problems over the years ( made lot of $$$ because of it) but I have been thinking lately operator error more then sw error. thanks fp -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- The client who pays the least, always complains the most.
Re: [H] NetGear WNDR3700
Yeah, Went for the cheap route, with intel products you really can't go wrong, and yes it will work fab!! -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 7:32 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] NetGear WNDR3700 HA! You ordered the cheapest one you could find too, huh? From reviews it sounds like it will do the job, though. On 5/13/2010 12:13 PM, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote: I purchased this same card on April 28, 2009 On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Anthony Q. Martinamar...@charter.netwrote: I just ordered this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QAY00K/ref=oss_product It has a connection for the third antenna...my laptop as that connection. It might help increase range, too.
Re: [H] Open question?
Brian, Good point. A bit more absolute than my life could handle. I do have the technology background to deal with a Faraday Cage, but, this is not the point. And, I choose not to build one. I freely accept the compromises I have made to play Internet to meet my needs ATM (since 1970). I accept your professional position. I've read your sig. Let's just agree that my query, in your words, might have something to do with levels of paranoia and leave it at that. Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 13:13, Brian Weeden wrote: Gibson has also acknowledged many times that there is no such thing as perfect security for ANYTHING. Given a long enough timeline, anything can be broken or cracked. It all depends how far your paranoia goes. If you absolutely want to ensure your security and privacy, then you should live in a Faraday cage and never use the Internet. Everything else is just various shades of compromising your security for the sake of functionality or ease of use. That's fine, as long as you realize that anything other than the cage and no Internet has some compromise on security. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Thane Sherrington th...@computerconnectionltd.com wrote: At 01:23 PM 13/05/2010, DSinc wrote: Brian, TNX. Yes, am aware of the new WPA2 encryption, and, this website. GRC and I have been friends for many years. I accept that WIFI will fully mature as it gets pushed harder into the consumer space for all things INTERNET. I simply choose to delay this technology at my home until my current LAN tech no longer works. Computing and Mobility remain mutually exclusive issues to me. Just remember that Gibson stated that WPA was completely safe whilst WEP was not. Now that has changed to WPA2. I use wireless happily, but it's not cable. T
Re: [H] Google chrome ?
At 03:16 PM 13/05/2010, FORC5 wrote: Son put Google chrome in his system. pretty peppy but how secure is it ? Updated his security sw just in case. Also installed Limewire. I have always been leery of this sharing stuff and too old to change. seen way too many problems over the years ( made lot of $$$ because of it) but I have been thinking lately operator error more then sw error. If you're putting Limewire on a machine, then I wouldn't worry about how secure the browser is. From my reading Chrome is pretty secure, but a lot of that is due to security through obscurity, rather than secure code. It wasn't hacked at Pwn2Own, but from the interviews I read, that was just because the hackers knew more about Safari, IE, and Firefox. T
Re: [H] Google chrome ?
At 11:16 AM 5/13/2010, you wrote: Son put Google chrome in his system. pretty peppy but how secure is it ? Updated his security sw just in case. Also installed Limewire. May 12, 2010 11:09 AM PDT RIAA wins big in LimeWire lawsuit http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-20004811-261.html?tag=nl.e703
Re: [H] Open question?
Anthony, I spent 18 months of my life inside one of those areas repairing stuff. Not quite ready to turn my home into a Faraday Cage. Not necessary really, I trust. I now get to trust in the technology of my ISP, my modem, and, my chosen router/gateway. Beyond that, I do what needs to be done as best I am able at the client level. It's all good! LOL! Happy GA Camper! Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 13:38, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Yes, you are relative to the lock punks. But even regular Wifi security can defeat them. In the defense industry common PC components have to be locked down again stray RF because spies in parking lots can sniff signals...even those on wired keyboards. I used to work inside a small room with 1-foot metal walls on all sides. Heck, even football coaches use this tech to keep opposing teams from sniff playbooks! So, if your stuff is that important... :) Anyway, not trying to talk you into anything. Keep doing what you're doing, man! Be happy! On 5/13/2010 1:14 PM, DSinc wrote: Anthony, OK. I'll get my old RF sniffer out again next week and check my 4 keyboards and mice ;) What kind of shields do you mean? I don't think the punks in pocket race cars w/WIFI scanners see anything but my m/b's or my microwave. I could be wrong, but, I believe I am roughly RF neutral. Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 12:32, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Unless they are shielded, they still leak some RF energy, bro! On 5/13/2010 12:11 PM, DSinc wrote: Anthony, LOL! Yes, I live in a neighborhood of Good Ole' Boys. And, I have met many of them over the past 6 years. None of them work at (minimum) Radio Shack, or, any of the 3 computer stores in my location. These folk do beer, babes, V8 cars/trucks, and cable/sat TV. Uh, installed by a service provider? Not here brother! Let's call cousin Jo-Bob! He's always online playing _! (fill-in!) PassPhrase? I could only hope. The spurious RF in my neighborhood caused my router's WIFI side to have trouble linking with a test client inside my house15ft away from the router. WIFI has been shut off since installation. I suppose that if I used a wireless keyboard/mouse, then yes. But, I do not use wireless anything. My keyboards and mice are all remain PS/2. Still smiling, though. Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 10:59, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: hehe...Ok, Duncan. Just curious, though...what do you mean by few too many strong hot-spots? Are people in your 'hood leaving their wireless networks open? I can see my neighbors networks, but they all appear to be secure. I think the providers are making sure they setup the customers with secure networks, but it's no telling how hard the passphrase are... But I do think someone can still sniff your keystrokes...unless your keyboard itself is tempest then one can make a trip to radioshack to see what top secret stuff you are typing. best. On 5/13/2010 10:49 AM, DSinc wrote: Anthony, I suppose the main fear is security. I just do not wish to become an RF transmission site. Yes, I am aware that encryption tech has improved over the years, but, I just do not care to share my keystrokes in free space. Yes, I do use a 5.8GHz telephone. But, I do not spend much time on the phone. Besides, most of my phone traffic is robo-political calls and saying No to various charities seeking contributions... :) Additionally, I noticed that when I upgraded to my current DGL-4300 router, and tested its' WIFI side, I found a few too many strong hot-spots in my neighborhood. I will watch WIFI as it improves and matures. I do believe that service providers may drive me to WIFI in the future anyway (ATT is already!). But, until wired LAN is restricted to only commercial/industrial space, I will stay wired-only. Let's just call this my tin-hat issue. Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 06:45, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Why do you fear WIFI, Duncan? On 5/12/2010 11:14 PM, DSinc wrote: Greg, TNX. I've always known you were into it all... :) Logic for WIFI makes sense; though I still fear it. Duncan On 05/12/2010 23:04, Greg Sevart wrote: Wired for all workstations, servers, and devices/appliances (ie: TV, blu-ray player, Dish receivers). WiFi N for laptops WiFi G for phones/other that don't speak N Wireless is great for any device you don't want to be tethered on, but nothing beats the performance, security, and reliability of good old fashioned twisted pair. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:25 PM To: Hardware Group Subject: [H] Open question? Is it fair for me to NOW believe that the majority of this LIST is now actively using WIFI for their internal home LANs? No. I do not wish to start a firestorm with those that use both! The basic question is about the use of WIFI... :) (Are there many of us old fools still using only wired CAT5/6 LANs?) Just wondering? Best, Duncan No
Re: [H] Open question?
Julian, I spent many years working with/on TEMPEST-grade hardware. What a true PITA! But, it was fun! Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 13:43, Julian Zottl wrote: Since we're bringing up lead walls, if people are interested in that kind of stuff, look up TEMPEST. Julian On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Anthony Q. Martinamar...@charter.netwrote: Yes, you are relative to the lock punks. But even regular Wifi security can defeat them. In the defense industry common PC components have to be locked down again stray RF because spies in parking lots can sniff signals...even those on wired keyboards. I used to work inside a small room with 1-foot metal walls on all sides. Heck, even football coaches use this tech to keep opposing teams from sniff playbooks! So, if your stuff is that important... :) Anyway, not trying to talk you into anything. Keep doing what you're doing, man! Be happy! On 5/13/2010 1:14 PM, DSinc wrote: Anthony, OK. I'll get my old RF sniffer out again next week and check my 4 keyboards and mice ;) What kind of shields do you mean? I don't think the punks in pocket race cars w/WIFI scanners see anything but my m/b's or my microwave. I could be wrong, but, I believe I am roughly RF neutral. Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 12:32, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Unless they are shielded, they still leak some RF energy, bro! On 5/13/2010 12:11 PM, DSinc wrote: Anthony, LOL! Yes, I live in a neighborhood of Good Ole' Boys. And, I have met many of them over the past 6 years. None of them work at (minimum) Radio Shack, or, any of the 3 computer stores in my location. These folk do beer, babes, V8 cars/trucks, and cable/sat TV. Uh, installed by a service provider? Not here brother! Let's call cousin Jo-Bob! He's always online playing _! (fill-in!) PassPhrase? I could only hope. The spurious RF in my neighborhood caused my router's WIFI side to have trouble linking with a test client inside my house15ft away from the router. WIFI has been shut off since installation. I suppose that if I used a wireless keyboard/mouse, then yes. But, I do not use wireless anything. My keyboards and mice are all remain PS/2. Still smiling, though. Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 10:59, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: hehe...Ok, Duncan. Just curious, though...what do you mean by few too many strong hot-spots? Are people in your 'hood leaving their wireless networks open? I can see my neighbors networks, but they all appear to be secure. I think the providers are making sure they setup the customers with secure networks, but it's no telling how hard the passphrase are... But I do think someone can still sniff your keystrokes...unless your keyboard itself is tempest then one can make a trip to radioshack to see what top secret stuff you are typing. best. On 5/13/2010 10:49 AM, DSinc wrote: Anthony, I suppose the main fear is security. I just do not wish to become an RF transmission site. Yes, I am aware that encryption tech has improved over the years, but, I just do not care to share my keystrokes in free space. Yes, I do use a 5.8GHz telephone. But, I do not spend much time on the phone. Besides, most of my phone traffic is robo-political calls and saying No to various charities seeking contributions... :) Additionally, I noticed that when I upgraded to my current DGL-4300 router, and tested its' WIFI side, I found a few too many strong hot-spots in my neighborhood. I will watch WIFI as it improves and matures. I do believe that service providers may drive me to WIFI in the future anyway (ATT is already!). But, until wired LAN is restricted to only commercial/industrial space, I will stay wired-only. Let's just call this my tin-hat issue. Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 06:45, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Why do you fear WIFI, Duncan? On 5/12/2010 11:14 PM, DSinc wrote: Greg, TNX. I've always known you were into it all... :) Logic for WIFI makes sense; though I still fear it. Duncan On 05/12/2010 23:04, Greg Sevart wrote: Wired for all workstations, servers, and devices/appliances (ie: TV, blu-ray player, Dish receivers). WiFi N for laptops WiFi G for phones/other that don't speak N Wireless is great for any device you don't want to be tethered on, but nothing beats the performance, security, and reliability of good old fashioned twisted pair. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:25 PM To: Hardware Group Subject: [H] Open question? Is it fair for me to NOW believe that the majority of this LIST is now actively using WIFI for their internal home LANs? No. I do not wish to start a firestorm with those that use both! The basic question is about the use of WIFI... :) (Are there many of us old fools still using only wired CAT5/6 LANs?) Just wondering? Best, Duncan No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Re: [H] Google chrome ?
I use both Chrome and Firefox myself. Chrome is definitely targeted less in attacks and overall has not had many issues. It has a nice feature with incognito mode which should be used for almost all browsing unless you are going to gmail, facebook, etc. But if you are googling stuff and clicking links and have no idea where you may be going then incognito is a nice feature to be using. I would say at this point in time Chrome is the safest browser to be using because of the number of attacks targeting it as well as the number of security holes that have been found are low. Also with the silent updates it's very hard to be running an out of date version of it which is the biggest issue with exploits. Also chrome definitely has the speed and footprint advantage from my personal experience. Closing tabs and having the processes go away and release memory is a lot nicer than firefox's behavior. Tom's hardware did a nice comparison of browsers http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/firefox-chrome-opera,2558.html Limewire is very bad for security reasons just because its so easy to download something like a song and in fact it’s a Trojan. Not sure if the software itself is insecure but with torrents these days I see no need for limewire. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 11:29 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Google chrome ? At 03:16 PM 13/05/2010, FORC5 wrote: Son put Google chrome in his system. pretty peppy but how secure is it ? Updated his security sw just in case. Also installed Limewire. I have always been leery of this sharing stuff and too old to change. seen way too many problems over the years ( made lot of $$$ because of it) but I have been thinking lately operator error more then sw error. If you're putting Limewire on a machine, then I wouldn't worry about how secure the browser is. From my reading Chrome is pretty secure, but a lot of that is due to security through obscurity, rather than secure code. It wasn't hacked at Pwn2Own, but from the interviews I read, that was just because the hackers knew more about Safari, IE, and Firefox. T To report this as spam, please forward to s...@websense.com. Thank you. Protected by Websense Hosted Email Security -- www.websense.com
Re: [H] Open question?
What is the difference between Cat 5, 5e, and 6? Here is a brief synopsis... http://ezinearticles.com/?CAT5-vs-CAT5E-vs-CAT6id=322715
Re: [H] Google chrome ?
The way chrome sandboxes each tab as a separate process helps as well. --- Brian Sent from my iPhone On 2010-05-13, at 3:13 PM, Mesdaq, Ali ames...@websense.com wrote: I use both Chrome and Firefox myself. Chrome is definitely targeted less in attacks and overall has not had many issues. It has a nice feature with incognito mode which should be used for almost all browsing unless you are going to gmail, facebook, etc. But if you are googling stuff and clicking links and have no idea where you may be going then incognito is a nice feature to be using. I would say at this point in time Chrome is the safest browser to be using because of the number of attacks targeting it as well as the number of security holes that have been found are low. Also with the silent updates it's very hard to be running an out of date version of it which is the biggest issue with exploits. Also chrome definitely has the speed and footprint advantage from my personal experience. Closing tabs and having the processes go away and release memory is a lot nicer than firefox's behavior. Tom's hardware did a nice comparison of browsers http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/firefox-chrome-opera,2558.html Limewire is very bad for security reasons just because its so easy to download something like a song and in fact it’s a Trojan. Not sur e if the software itself is insecure but with torrents these days I see no need for limewire. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 11:29 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Google chrome ? At 03:16 PM 13/05/2010, FORC5 wrote: Son put Google chrome in his system. pretty peppy but how secure is it ? Updated his security sw just in case. Also installed Limewire. I have always been leery of this sharing stuff and too old to change. seen way too many problems over the years ( made lot of $$$ because of it) but I have been thinking lately operator error more then sw error. If you're putting Limewire on a machine, then I wouldn't worry about how secure the browser is. From my reading Chrome is pretty secure, but a lot of that is due to security through obscurity, rather than secure code. It wasn't hacked at Pwn2Own, but from the interviews I read, that was just because the hackers knew more about Safari, IE, and Firefox. T To report this as spam, please forward to s...@websense.com. Thank you. Protected by Websense Hosted Email Security -- www.websense.com
Re: [H] File Transfer Rates over Shared Network
On Thursday 13 May 2010 13:41:34 Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Ok...then this makes perfect sense. I guess I got confused as before I had 1 Gbps adapters on the PCs, but a router with a 10/100 Mbps switch. Everything was bottlenecked to the router's speed. But now the router is jacked! Start at the Wan. If the data rate coming into the modem is 8Mbs (1MBs) then the maximum data rate out cannot be greater than that irrespective of the network card speed. So a router with 10/100 Mbs transfer rate into Ethernet ports should max out at about 8Mbs. The data transfer rate between two computers on the same network will be as fast as the slowest network cards in the machines. That is assuming that the computer can feed the network cards with data such that the card can achieve its maximum transfer rate. So if two computers have 10/100/1000 network cards in them and they were connected directly together, then you should see 800Mbs or so data rates. But if you connect them via a 10/100 switch then the maximum data rate will be limited by the speed of the switch. Also you have to take into account having more than two computers connected to the same network. Since the network maximum speed is also limited by the collision detection mechanism used to prevent more than one device talking at any one time. Wireless communication speed is limited by the same rules in addition to limits imposed by signal strength and other wireless networks in the vicinity. I did have a link to a really good tutorial from Cisco that explained networks and traffic in much greater detail, but I'm blessed if I can find it. HTH. -- Best Regards: Derrick. Running Open SuSE 11.1 KDE 3.5.10 Desktop. Pontefract Linux Users Group. plug @ play-net.co.uk
Re: [H] Open question?
On Thursday 13 May 2010 00:24:52 DSinc wrote: Is it fair for me to NOW believe that the majority of this LIST is now actively using WIFI for their internal home LANs? No. I do not wish to start a firestorm with those that use both! The basic question is about the use of WIFI... :) (Are there many of us old fools still using only wired CAT5/6 LANs?) Just wondering? Best, Duncan Lets put it this way... I can't sit outside your place and hijack your wired lan. ;-) -- Best Regards: Derrick. Running Open SuSE 11.1 KDE 3.5.10 Desktop. Pontefract Linux Users Group. plug @ play-net.co.uk
Re: [H] Open question?
Gaffer, Yes, that is sorta what I've always thought! TNX. Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 15:48, Gaffer wrote: On Thursday 13 May 2010 00:24:52 DSinc wrote: Is it fair for me to NOW believe that the majority of this LIST is now actively using WIFI for their internal home LANs? No. I do not wish to start a firestorm with those that use both! The basic question is about the use of WIFI... :) (Are there many of us old fools still using only wired CAT5/6 LANs?) Just wondering? Best, Duncan Lets put it this way... I can't sit outside your place and hijack your wired lan. ;-)
[H] 11n Bands: 2.4GHz vs 5GHz
I got in a Dlink (DAP-1522) wireless bridge today. Using it and getting my laptop on the internet was easy, as both have WPS. But it defaulted to 2.4 GHz band...and some initial file transfers showed it to be around 6 to 9 MB/s. Not too bad. But this is to be for the AV stuff and be located downstairs. Getting into the admin to reset it proved to be a bear. I finally had to call the support...which I got through to quickly. Anyway, the lady talked me through it, I got into the admin...switched it over to the 5 GHz networkand then got out and now i have internet on the laptop. However, file transfers are about half of what they were I should point out that I have a 5.8 GHz phone system in there. I note the range of the 2.4 band is: 2.4 to 2.483 GHz. The range of the 5 GHz band is: 5.15 to 5.825 GHz. A footnote says the DAP-1522 won't do 5.25-5.35 GHz or 5.47-5.725GHz, which is an awfully big gap. Is it worth the effort to try change channels? I'm on channel 6 on the 2.4 band and 153 on the 5 GHz band. Or, should I just go back to the 2.4 band and be happy? Being happy seems to be a lot of work!
Re: [H] 11n Bands: 2.4GHz vs 5GHz
Have you tried unplugging the phone base to see if it's even an issue 1st? On 5/13/2010 4:27 PM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: However, file transfers are about half of what they were I should point out that I have a 5.8 GHz phone system in there. I note the range of the 2.4 band is: 2.4 to 2.483 GHz. The range of the 5 GHz band is: 5.15 to 5.825 GHz. A footnote says the DAP-1522 won't do 5.25-5.35 GHz or 5.47-5.725GHz, which is an awfully big gap. Is it worth the effort to try change channels? I'm on channel 6 on the 2.4 band and 153 on the 5 GHz band. Or, should I just go back to the 2.4 band and be happy? Being happy seems to be a lot of work!
Re: [H] Google chrome ?
Targeted means little if the attack is against Java, Flash, Silverlight, etc... which stand outside the browser's code. P2P is general is evil. It's like hanging out 2 signs: attack me, I'm here! Hey MPAA/RIAA/etc I'm pir8ing over here!. As far as downloading it's an issue if you're dumb enough to launch an executable or exploitable file format. Love those phone-home WMV type multimedia formats for other reasons, LOL. On 5/13/2010 12:13 PM, Mesdaq, Ali wrote: I use both Chrome and Firefox myself. Chrome is definitely targeted less in attacks and overall has not had many issues. It has a nice feature with incognito mode which should be used for almost all browsing unless you are going to gmail, facebook, etc. But if you are googling stuff and clicking links and have no idea where you may be going then incognito is a nice feature to be using. I would say at this point in time Chrome is the safest browser to be using because of the number of attacks targeting it as well as the number of security holes that have been found are low. Also with the silent updates it's very hard to be running an out of date version of it which is the biggest issue with exploits. Also chrome definitely has the speed and footprint advantage from my personal experience. Closing tabs and having the processes go away and release memory is a lot nicer than firefox's behavior. Tom's hardware did a nice comparison of browsers http://www.tomshardware.com/review s/firefox-chrome-opera,2558.html Limewire is very bad for security reasons just because its so easy to download something like a song and in fact it’s a Trojan. Not sure if the software itself is insecure but with torrents these days I see no need for limewire.
Re: [H] 11n Bands: 2.4GHz vs 5GHz
No, but changing the channel on the router is pretty simple to do...after the change other DAP picks up the new channel and acts as if nothing is different. I now have the bridge downstairs very near where it will live...I'm getting about 2.5 GB/s transfer rate. On 5/13/2010 8:18 PM, maccrawj wrote: Have you tried unplugging the phone base to see if it's even an issue 1st? On 5/13/2010 4:27 PM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: However, file transfers are about half of what they were I should point out that I have a 5.8 GHz phone system in there. I note the range of the 2.4 band is: 2.4 to 2.483 GHz. The range of the 5 GHz band is: 5.15 to 5.825 GHz. A footnote says the DAP-1522 won't do 5.25-5.35 GHz or 5.47-5.725GHz, which is an awfully big gap. Is it worth the effort to try change channels? I'm on channel 6 on the 2.4 band and 153 on the 5 GHz band. Or, should I just go back to the 2.4 band and be happy? Being happy seems to be a lot of work! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2872 - Release Date: 05/13/10 14:26:00
Re: [H] Open question?
Or any other method where the pass[hrase doesn't consist of elements that can be cracked by dictionary attacks. Common mistake people make is setting up a password vs. passphrase and in either case further making the mistake of only using alphanumeric limiting entropy to 64 possibilities per character. WEP can secure the common man if limits dictate but using god, mydogfluffy type passphrases leaves end runs arround WEP cracking issues never mind lowering WPA to hackable, LOL! Sideline attacks where the randomness of a generator can be anticipated can negate secure passphrase generators but that's not the run-of-the-mill hacker. On 5/13/2010 8:15 AM, Brian Weeden wrote: If you are using WPA2 encryption on your WiFi then you have nothing to worry about in terms of someone cracking it, especially if you use a 64 character password generated by this site: https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:08 AM, DSincdx7...@bellsouth.net wrote: Anthony, I suppose we have different feelings about complex. I feel that WIFI is a level of 'complex' I just do not yet require. Nothing more. I understand your position and use of WIFI. Yes, a 63-digit master PW would make much sense. But, even in my 'primitive' wired LAN, my guests have no access to my LAN clients (tested). Yes, guests can only see my LAN clients, but can only USE/Access my router/gateway for internet surfing. Different strokes, I suppose. Best, Duncan On 05/13/2010 10:36, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Why so complex, Duncan? Lock your wireless network down with a hard password and give the guess a simple one. I use a 63 digit hex string for my network from wireless. For the guest part, which are not allowed to see my computers, I have a simple one that I can tell them. On 5/13/2010 10:29 AM, DSinc wrote: Brian, TNX. I recall that you did mention your choices before. Yes, I am thinking of the guest w/toys angle. I do not do DHCP at my router ATM. But, I may now test this feature with a limited range of addy's for guests to use. I know; more research. Duncan On 05/13/2010 06:22, Brian Weeden wrote: Mix here. Back in 2003 when I lived in Montana I wired my whole house with Cat5e and RG6 drops, of course then I moved a year later and have moved twice more since then (I was in the military until 2007 and my wife still is). So for me to put the time in effort into completely wiring a house each time we move is not very efficient. Right now I'm running an Apple Airport Extreme which sits in the same closet as the main house server (media and backup). That lets me run a wired connection to that server and the upstairs HTPC which is right above it. And other things in the A/V closet (like the Xbox 360) get wired as well . But everything else in the house (my desktop and laptop, wife's laptop, iPhone, random other devices) are all Wifi. The other big reason to have WiF is for visitors. With a 2-mo old and a 2-yr old we are getting a set of grandparents or siblings stopping by for a few days every few months, and they all have laptops or netbooks in tow and need net access to do work or just surf/email. I detect from some people a pretty strong aversion to Wireless, and I would ask why that is. WiFi is not some new-fangled thing - it's been around and in increasingly heavy us for the better part of a decade. Certainly, there are some applications that have large enough bandwidth requirements that wired is preferable. That's why my HTPCs are wired to the content server. But for most other things WiFi (especially N) is more than fast enough and the lack of wires is a huge benefit. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundationhttp://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2871 - Release Date: 05/13/10 02:26:00
Re: [H] 11n Bands: 2.4GHz vs 5GHz
Make sure the channel width is set to auto (i.e. you want to use 40MHz, not 20MHz On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net wrote: No, but changing the channel on the router is pretty simple to do...after the change other DAP picks up the new channel and acts as if nothing is different. I now have the bridge downstairs very near where it will live...I'm getting about 2.5 GB/s transfer rate. On 5/13/2010 8:18 PM, maccrawj wrote: Have you tried unplugging the phone base to see if it's even an issue 1st? On 5/13/2010 4:27 PM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: However, file transfers are about half of what they were I should point out that I have a 5.8 GHz phone system in there. I note the range of the 2.4 band is: 2.4 to 2.483 GHz. The range of the 5 GHz band is: 5.15 to 5.825 GHz. A footnote says the DAP-1522 won't do 5.25-5.35 GHz or 5.47-5.725GHz, which is an awfully big gap. Is it worth the effort to try change channels? I'm on channel 6 on the 2.4 band and 153 on the 5 GHz band. Or, should I just go back to the 2.4 band and be happy? Being happy seems to be a lot of work! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2872 - Release Date: 05/13/10 14:26:00
[H] Wow.....
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