Re: [H] SSDs and My Documents
Changing it now will likely require a reinstall of Windows, at least it did for me the last time I tried it a few years ago. That's because windows uses different drivers to read from an AHCI disk and those are establishing during setup. - Brian On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Steve Tomporowski didym...@gmail.comwrote: Has anyone seen this SSD guide? http://thessdreview.com/ssd-**guides/optimization-guides/** the-ssd-optimization-guide-2/http://thessdreview.com/ssd-guides/optimization-guides/the-ssd-optimization-guide-2/ It's interesting that just about everything he suggests is qualified by 'it may or may not be necessary'. While on that subject, is AHCI necessary? I never noticed my main system (P55 chipset) was not in AHCI mode. And I'm not sure how dangerous/safe it is to change it now. Steve On 5/5/2013 9:02 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Dependsif it is going in a laptopmost folks just put everything on the SSD. I have a 256 GB SSD in my thinkpad, so everything goes on the SSD. On my desktop, I used to have a 160GB SSD...so only Windows and programs went on the SSD...all documents and stuff went on the d drive, which is a hard drive. I now have a 500 GB SSD, but I still put non-programs on the hard drive. As you know, many laptops come with SSDs onlyno need to worry about writes...unless you are doing something wyyy outside of normal. I got my first SSD in Jan 2011...that drive is still working great! On 5/4/2013 9:25 PM, Steve Tomporowski wrote: I've just bought my first SSD. Should I be moving folders like Documents and Libraries to another drive? Whats the current status on that? I read it both ways over the last couple of years. Thanks...Steve
Re: [H] SSDs and My Documents
Seems like its more not understanding the swap file and SSDs: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/e7/archive/2009/05/05/support-and-q-a-for-solid-state-drives-and.aspx On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:25 AM, Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.com wrote: Under normal use, an SSD should last at least 3-5 years. It think the only thing you might want to avoid putting on an SSD is a swapfile, and there's even debate over whether that's really a bad thing or not. - Brian
Re: [H] Two NICs
I use both NICs. One is for the normal home network, the other I use for virtual machines that run through an encrypted VPN :) lopaka From: Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Sent: Sat, May 4, 2013 1:01:30 PM Subject: Re: [H] Two NICs I used a PC with multiple NICs as a router as well... but back in the nineties before inexpensive quality routers were readily available. Are you doing this for a home network? At 12:53 PM 5/4/2013, you wrote: That depends upon whether you use your machine as a router or not ! I have a system where I have three network cards and two internal networks attached. On Saturday 04 May 2013 20:42:02 Winterlight wrote: Every Motherboard I have purchased in the last ten years has twok Gb NICs. I understand that they can be used for two different Networks, but I have yet to find anyone who needs to do this let alone actually uses them. It seems to me to be about as useful as the Firewire port they seem to put on all high end boards. Does anyone here use their two motherboard NICs? Is there a great use for the extra NIC that I am unaware of? Has someone found a creative way to employ two NICs or is this just another dead feature that hasn't fallen to wayside as of yet? -- Best Regards: Gaffer Pontefract Linux User Group.
Re: [H] SSDs and My Documents
I've had 4 SSD's die each in under 6 months. I'm not really sold on the reliability ;) 2 were OCZ and the others were a Patriot and a ADATA. All in different boxes and all were boot drives. I had a seagate hybrid drive die after 2 months also. All were on UPS's too. I switched back to mechanical drives for my important machines. Don't have the time to redo everything that ofter any more lopaka From: Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Sent: Sun, May 5, 2013 6:03:02 AM Subject: Re: [H] SSDs and My Documents Dependsif it is going in a laptopmost folks just put everything on the SSD. I have a 256 GB SSD in my thinkpad, so everything goes on the SSD. On my desktop, I used to have a 160GB SSD...so only Windows and programs went on the SSD...all documents and stuff went on the d drive, which is a hard drive. I now have a 500 GB SSD, but I still put non-programs on the hard drive. As you know, many laptops come with SSDs onlyno need to worry about writes...unless you are doing something wyyy outside of normal. I got my first SSD in Jan 2011...that drive is still working great! On 5/4/2013 9:25 PM, Steve Tomporowski wrote: I've just bought my first SSD. Should I be moving folders like Documents and Libraries to another drive? Whats the current status on that? I read it both ways over the last couple of years. Thanks...Steve
Re: [H] SSDs and My Documents
All of them crap controllers. OCZ would either be Indilinx or Sandforce, neither of which have a good track record (though Indilinx far worse than SF). Your Patriot and ADATA were probably Indilinx or Sandforce as well. Your failures were almost certainly firmware problems, not NAND wearout. Samsung (830, 840 Pro) is where it's at, followed by Marvell controllers (e.g., Crucial C300, m4, m500). SSDs are extremely reliable if you get one based on a good controller. Friends don't let friends buy OCZ, though the controller manufacturer is more critical than the brand label on the box. Greg (owner/user of: 4x Intel G2, 1x Intel 320, 5x Samsung 830, 1x Samsung 840, 2x Samsung 840 Pro with no failures) -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Robert Martin Jr. Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 10:06 AM To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSDs and My Documents I've had 4 SSD's die each in under 6 months. I'm not really sold on the reliability ;) 2 were OCZ and the others were a Patriot and a ADATA. All in different boxes and all were boot drives. I had a seagate hybrid drive die after 2 months also. All were on UPS's too. I switched back to mechanical drives for my important machines. Don't have the time to redo everything that ofter any more lopaka From: Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Sent: Sun, May 5, 2013 6:03:02 AM Subject: Re: [H] SSDs and My Documents Dependsif it is going in a laptopmost folks just put everything on the SSD. I have a 256 GB SSD in my thinkpad, so everything goes on the SSD. On my desktop, I used to have a 160GB SSD...so only Windows and programs went on the SSD...all documents and stuff went on the d drive, which is a hard drive. I now have a 500 GB SSD, but I still put non-programs on the hard drive. As you know, many laptops come with SSDs onlyno need to worry about writes...unless you are doing something wyyy outside of normal. I got my first SSD in Jan 2011...that drive is still working great! On 5/4/2013 9:25 PM, Steve Tomporowski wrote: I've just bought my first SSD. Should I be moving folders like Documents and Libraries to another drive? Whats the current status on that? I read it both ways over the last couple of years. Thanks...Steve
Re: [H] SSDs and My Documents
I may try the Samsung 840 when I load up windows 8 ;) lopaka From: Greg Sevart ad...@xfury.net To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Sent: Mon, May 6, 2013 8:40:41 AM Subject: Re: [H] SSDs and My Documents All of them crap controllers. OCZ would either be Indilinx or Sandforce, neither of which have a good track record (though Indilinx far worse than SF). Your Patriot and ADATA were probably Indilinx or Sandforce as well. Your failures were almost certainly firmware problems, not NAND wearout. Samsung (830, 840 Pro) is where it's at, followed by Marvell controllers (e.g., Crucial C300, m4, m500). SSDs are extremely reliable if you get one based on a good controller. Friends don't let friends buy OCZ, though the controller manufacturer is more critical than the brand label on the box. Greg (owner/user of: 4x Intel G2, 1x Intel 320, 5x Samsung 830, 1x Samsung 840, 2x Samsung 840 Pro with no failures) -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Robert Martin Jr. Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 10:06 AM To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSDs and My Documents I've had 4 SSD's die each in under 6 months. I'm not really sold on the reliability ;) 2 were OCZ and the others were a Patriot and a ADATA. All in different boxes and all were boot drives. I had a seagate hybrid drive die after 2 months also. All were on UPS's too. I switched back to mechanical drives for my important machines. Don't have the time to redo everything that ofter any more lopaka From: Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Sent: Sun, May 5, 2013 6:03:02 AM Subject: Re: [H] SSDs and My Documents Dependsif it is going in a laptopmost folks just put everything on the SSD. I have a 256 GB SSD in my thinkpad, so everything goes on the SSD. On my desktop, I used to have a 160GB SSD...so only Windows and programs went on the SSD...all documents and stuff went on the d drive, which is a hard drive. I now have a 500 GB SSD, but I still put non-programs on the hard drive. As you know, many laptops come with SSDs onlyno need to worry about writes...unless you are doing something wyyy outside of normal. I got my first SSD in Jan 2011...that drive is still working great! On 5/4/2013 9:25 PM, Steve Tomporowski wrote: I've just bought my first SSD. Should I be moving folders like Documents and Libraries to another drive? Whats the current status on that? I read it both ways over the last couple of years. Thanks...Steve
Re: [H] SSDs and My Documents
Sandforce can be good, its just a matter of the firmware not being buggy. Best to worry a bit less about speed when getting SSDs On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Greg Sevart ad...@xfury.net wrote: All of them crap controllers. OCZ would either be Indilinx or Sandforce, neither of which have a good track record (though Indilinx far worse than SF). Your Patriot and ADATA were probably Indilinx or Sandforce as well. Your failures were almost certainly firmware problems, not NAND wearout. Samsung (830, 840 Pro) is where it's at, followed by Marvell controllers (e.g., Crucial C300, m4, m500). SSDs are extremely reliable if you get one based on a good controller. Friends don't let friends buy OCZ, though the controller manufacturer is more critical than the brand label on the box. Greg (owner/user of: 4x Intel G2, 1x Intel 320, 5x Samsung 830, 1x Samsung 840, 2x Samsung 840 Pro with no failures) -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Robert Martin Jr. Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 10:06 AM To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSDs and My Documents I've had 4 SSD's die each in under 6 months. I'm not really sold on the reliability ;) 2 were OCZ and the others were a Patriot and a ADATA. All in different boxes and all were boot drives. I had a seagate hybrid drive die after 2 months also. All were on UPS's too. I switched back to mechanical drives for my important machines. Don't have the time to redo everything that ofter any more lopaka From: Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Sent: Sun, May 5, 2013 6:03:02 AM Subject: Re: [H] SSDs and My Documents Dependsif it is going in a laptopmost folks just put everything on the SSD. I have a 256 GB SSD in my thinkpad, so everything goes on the SSD. On my desktop, I used to have a 160GB SSD...so only Windows and programs went on the SSD...all documents and stuff went on the d drive, which is a hard drive. I now have a 500 GB SSD, but I still put non-programs on the hard drive. As you know, many laptops come with SSDs onlyno need to worry about writes...unless you are doing something wyyy outside of normal. I got my first SSD in Jan 2011...that drive is still working great! On 5/4/2013 9:25 PM, Steve Tomporowski wrote: I've just bought my first SSD. Should I be moving folders like Documents and Libraries to another drive? Whats the current status on that? I read it both ways over the last couple of years. Thanks...Steve
Re: [H] SSDs and My Documents
This is really good to hear, as what I just bought was a Samsung 840 Steve On 5/6/2013 11:40 AM, Greg Sevart wrote: All of them crap controllers. OCZ would either be Indilinx or Sandforce, neither of which have a good track record (though Indilinx far worse than SF). Your Patriot and ADATA were probably Indilinx or Sandforce as well. Your failures were almost certainly firmware problems, not NAND wearout. Samsung (830, 840 Pro) is where it's at, followed by Marvell controllers (e.g., Crucial C300, m4, m500). SSDs are extremely reliable if you get one based on a good controller. Friends don't let friends buy OCZ, though the controller manufacturer is more critical than the brand label on the box. Greg (owner/user of: 4x Intel G2, 1x Intel 320, 5x Samsung 830, 1x Samsung 840, 2x Samsung 840 Pro with no failures) -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Robert Martin Jr. Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 10:06 AM To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSDs and My Documents I've had 4 SSD's die each in under 6 months. I'm not really sold on the reliability ;) 2 were OCZ and the others were a Patriot and a ADATA. All in different boxes and all were boot drives. I had a seagate hybrid drive die after 2 months also. All were on UPS's too. I switched back to mechanical drives for my important machines. Don't have the time to redo everything that ofter any more lopaka From: Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Sent: Sun, May 5, 2013 6:03:02 AM Subject: Re: [H] SSDs and My Documents Dependsif it is going in a laptopmost folks just put everything on the SSD. I have a 256 GB SSD in my thinkpad, so everything goes on the SSD. On my desktop, I used to have a 160GB SSD...so only Windows and programs went on the SSD...all documents and stuff went on the d drive, which is a hard drive. I now have a 500 GB SSD, but I still put non-programs on the hard drive. As you know, many laptops come with SSDs onlyno need to worry about writes...unless you are doing something wyyy outside of normal. I got my first SSD in Jan 2011...that drive is still working great! On 5/4/2013 9:25 PM, Steve Tomporowski wrote: I've just bought my first SSD. Should I be moving folders like Documents and Libraries to another drive? Whats the current status on that? I read it both ways over the last couple of years. Thanks...Steve
Re: [H] SSDs and My Documents
The 840 is a decent drive, though it does use TLC (three bits per cell) NAND instead of the more traditional MLC (2 bits per cell) variety. TLC NAND is slower on writes and has less endurance (~1000 P/E cycles vs. 3000) than MLC NAND, but it's easy to overstate what the impact is. The only thing I'd avoid is the 120GB capacity version - the firmware is stable, but the NAND may only get you to 3 years or so under normal usage until the MWI (media wearout indicator) hits 0. Now, MWI=0 doesn't mean the drive is dead--indeed, there are forums where some models have exceeded the MWI by huge margins and are still functional. It's intended to be a conservative estimate of drive durability. The 840 Pro is a different drive entirely, using 21nm Samsung MLC NAND. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Steve Tomporowski Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 3:28 PM To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSDs and My Documents This is really good to hear, as what I just bought was a Samsung 840 Steve On 5/6/2013 11:40 AM, Greg Sevart wrote: All of them crap controllers. OCZ would either be Indilinx or Sandforce, neither of which have a good track record (though Indilinx far worse than SF). Your Patriot and ADATA were probably Indilinx or Sandforce as well. Your failures were almost certainly firmware problems, not NAND wearout. Samsung (830, 840 Pro) is where it's at, followed by Marvell controllers (e.g., Crucial C300, m4, m500). SSDs are extremely reliable if you get one based on a good controller. Friends don't let friends buy OCZ, though the controller manufacturer is more critical than the brand label on the box. Greg (owner/user of: 4x Intel G2, 1x Intel 320, 5x Samsung 830, 1x Samsung 840, 2x Samsung 840 Pro with no failures) -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Robert Martin Jr. Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 10:06 AM To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSDs and My Documents I've had 4 SSD's die each in under 6 months. I'm not really sold on the reliability ;) 2 were OCZ and the others were a Patriot and a ADATA. All in different boxes and all were boot drives. I had a seagate hybrid drive die after 2 months also. All were on UPS's too. I switched back to mechanical drives for my important machines. Don't have the time to redo everything that ofter any more lopaka From: Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Sent: Sun, May 5, 2013 6:03:02 AM Subject: Re: [H] SSDs and My Documents Dependsif it is going in a laptopmost folks just put everything on the SSD. I have a 256 GB SSD in my thinkpad, so everything goes on the SSD. On my desktop, I used to have a 160GB SSD...so only Windows and programs went on the SSD...all documents and stuff went on the d drive, which is a hard drive. I now have a 500 GB SSD, but I still put non-programs on the hard drive. As you know, many laptops come with SSDs onlyno need to worry about writes...unless you are doing something wyyy outside of normal. I got my first SSD in Jan 2011...that drive is still working great! On 5/4/2013 9:25 PM, Steve Tomporowski wrote: I've just bought my first SSD. Should I be moving folders like Documents and Libraries to another drive? Whats the current status on that? I read it both ways over the last couple of years. Thanks...Steve
