Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
What I love about the iPhone is that it can do everything I want in one device - play media, great games, surf the web with a full browser, phone calls, and a ton of search/info apps. It may not do any of those things very well, but the fact that it does them all and I can do a day business trip with just it is amazing. Add a backup battery and long plane rides just fly by. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation <http://www.secureworldfoundation.org> Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Bino Gopal wrote: > Well so I will say this having just gotten a 3GS last Thurs: > > I *LOOVE* the thing! The apps on it are amazing and I can do SOOO many > things that were just impossible/a pain with my WinMo 6.1 Samsung EPIX > (update Facebook easily with video and pics, check tweets, access amazon, > ebay, etc, and other cool utils and apps like a compass and all that). It's > just so much more usable and friendly and I seriously am loving the heck out > of it, and it works so much better than crappy WinMo6.1 too! > > I also compared it extensively with an Android phone that had a lot of > similar features, and it simply comes down to this: Apple is on their 3rd > rev of the SW and HW and it shows. Android is too new, but by their 3rd > rev, once the apps are out and better HW, I'll totally take a look at it; > I'm not tied to any one thing and these things die so quickly anyway that > I'll be replacing it in 1-2 years anyway. > > And yes, I don't like the limitations (and don't use iTunes for music, just > sync'ing/backing up the phone) but for the amount of usability/functionality > it gives you, it's worth it for now. If/when Android takes off, either > Apple will loosen up or I'll switch; the market will work in my favor. So > fwiw, I suggest you at least try it out and see what you're missing. The > apps and games are awesome and it works pretty well as a phone too! ;) > >BINO > > > -Original Message- > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto: > hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Mesdaq, Ali > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:04 PM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? > > I'm not so convinced of that. The openness google refers to when talking > about android is more about the web standards openness not really the > framework openness. But the hardware support for android is definitely > picking up and so are the apps. > > Thanks, > -- > Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) > Sr. Security Researcher > Websense Security Labs > http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com > -- > > > -Original Message- > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto: > hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:31 PM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Cc: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? > > I think Android has the potential to be the phone/UI we want, but it's > going to be a few years of iterations to get there. > > > - > Brian Weeden > Technical Advisor > Secure World Foundation > > On 2009-09-16, at 5:21 PM, "Mesdaq, Ali" wrote: > > > Yeah I agree with you on that and that’s why I haven’t really > > upgraded my phone for so long. Now that the iphone has set such a hi > > gh standard I require the phone to be as user friendly as the iphone > > and hardware as good. My basic requirements are > > - UI as good as iphone > > - hardware as good or better than iphone > > - no limitations or little limitations on what I can do on the phone > > > > If iphone was a little more open in that regard there would be no > > phone that can compare. > > > > AT&T has kinda been screwed by the iphone because users are > > demanding bandwidth but not willing to pay for it. So its been kind > > of a double edged sword for them. But lets make a clear distinction > > between AT&T mandated controls and Apple controls. Apple wants to > > control your life and I just want a phone that can do a bunch of > > things. > > > > Thanks, > > -- > > Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) > > Sr. Security Researcher > > Websense Security Labs > > http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com > > -- > > > > > > -Origin
Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
Well so I will say this having just gotten a 3GS last Thurs: I *LOOVE* the thing! The apps on it are amazing and I can do SOOO many things that were just impossible/a pain with my WinMo 6.1 Samsung EPIX (update Facebook easily with video and pics, check tweets, access amazon, ebay, etc, and other cool utils and apps like a compass and all that). It's just so much more usable and friendly and I seriously am loving the heck out of it, and it works so much better than crappy WinMo6.1 too! I also compared it extensively with an Android phone that had a lot of similar features, and it simply comes down to this: Apple is on their 3rd rev of the SW and HW and it shows. Android is too new, but by their 3rd rev, once the apps are out and better HW, I'll totally take a look at it; I'm not tied to any one thing and these things die so quickly anyway that I'll be replacing it in 1-2 years anyway. And yes, I don't like the limitations (and don't use iTunes for music, just sync'ing/backing up the phone) but for the amount of usability/functionality it gives you, it's worth it for now. If/when Android takes off, either Apple will loosen up or I'll switch; the market will work in my favor. So fwiw, I suggest you at least try it out and see what you're missing. The apps and games are awesome and it works pretty well as a phone too! ;) BINO -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Mesdaq, Ali Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:04 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? I'm not so convinced of that. The openness google refers to when talking about android is more about the web standards openness not really the framework openness. But the hardware support for android is definitely picking up and so are the apps. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:31 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Cc: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? I think Android has the potential to be the phone/UI we want, but it's going to be a few years of iterations to get there. - Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation On 2009-09-16, at 5:21 PM, "Mesdaq, Ali" wrote: > Yeah I agree with you on that and that’s why I haven’t really > upgraded my phone for so long. Now that the iphone has set such a hi > gh standard I require the phone to be as user friendly as the iphone > and hardware as good. My basic requirements are > - UI as good as iphone > - hardware as good or better than iphone > - no limitations or little limitations on what I can do on the phone > > If iphone was a little more open in that regard there would be no > phone that can compare. > > AT&T has kinda been screwed by the iphone because users are > demanding bandwidth but not willing to pay for it. So its been kind > of a double edged sword for them. But lets make a clear distinction > between AT&T mandated controls and Apple controls. Apple wants to > control your life and I just want a phone that can do a bunch of > things. > > Thanks, > -- > Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) > Sr. Security Researcher > Websense Security Labs > http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com > -- > > > -Original Message- > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- > boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:48 PM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? > > Well, that's a bit over the top. As much as I don't like it, it's not > unreasonable for AT&T to not allow an app that destroys its business > model > on a device that it controls. > > I still haven't seen a single phone out there with an interface, > software, > and UI that can compare to the iPhone. So I'm willing to put up > with a few > minor issues in exchange for that. > > --- > Brian Weeden > Technical Advisor > Secure World Foundation <http://www.secureworldfoundation.org> > Montreal Office > +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada > +1 (202) 683-8534 US > > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Mesdaq, Ali > wrote: >
Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
Yeah, I remembered correctly. If you do a search for "hardware SIP Nokia" you'll see that the primary complaint is battery drain when using software sip client. Nokia's older phones have hardware SIP and thats why they don't drain the battery as quick, and they also can pair with any asterisk system easily as an extension (vanilla,PIAF,TrixBox,etc) lopaka --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Mesdaq, Ali wrote: From: Mesdaq, Ali Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? To: "hardware@hardwaregroup.com" Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 12:21 PM That’s not a limitation of this nokia. Anyone could write a SIP application in fact someone wrote something for Google voice already http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/dialcentral/ Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Robert Martin Jr. Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:00 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? I like Nokia and have an N81. What I don't like is that Nokia has been pressured by mobile carriers to remove the built-in SIP support on all the newer models. When I walk in at home or at work my N81 auto sychs up with my asterisk server via wireless, and I can make totally free unlimited calls using google voice anywhere in the continental U.S. The phone becomes an extension to the system whenever internet connectivity is available. We got off monthly mobile plan to pay-per-minutes since we can still use the nokia phones through WiFi. Now I pay about $8 a month for my cellular service :) lopaka --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Mesdaq, Ali wrote: From: Mesdaq, Ali Subject: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? To: "hardware@hardwaregroup.com" Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 9:03 AM Has anyone seen the N9000 phone? I just read some reviews, specs, developer docs, and saw some videos on this phone and it seems amazing! Anyone have access to this phone or know of anyone with one? Seems like it's not released yet but usually phones find their way to the market early. In case you haven’t seen the phone here are some links http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/hands-on-nokia-n900-review-631040 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE Quick highlights for me personally are - Debian based linux OS - Updates to everything over the air - Killer UI - Full flash support in a full Mozilla based browser - Very nice hardware specs in every facet i.e. camera, storage, processor, screen, graphics hardware accelerator, etc - Real multi tasking OS and interface - Get root shell on the device All in all this device seems to be created as a mobile computer because of Maemo's roots as a tablet PC OS. So the phone is just treated as a platform and hardware to run the OS. For example you can just not use the phone at all and make all your calls via Skype over Wifi or 3g connectivity. Looks like finally a no strings attached phone. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- Protected by Websense Hosted Email Security -- www.websense.com
Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
I'm not so convinced of that. The openness google refers to when talking about android is more about the web standards openness not really the framework openness. But the hardware support for android is definitely picking up and so are the apps. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:31 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Cc: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? I think Android has the potential to be the phone/UI we want, but it's going to be a few years of iterations to get there. - Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation On 2009-09-16, at 5:21 PM, "Mesdaq, Ali" wrote: > Yeah I agree with you on that and that’s why I haven’t really > upgraded my phone for so long. Now that the iphone has set such a hi > gh standard I require the phone to be as user friendly as the iphone > and hardware as good. My basic requirements are > - UI as good as iphone > - hardware as good or better than iphone > - no limitations or little limitations on what I can do on the phone > > If iphone was a little more open in that regard there would be no > phone that can compare. > > AT&T has kinda been screwed by the iphone because users are > demanding bandwidth but not willing to pay for it. So its been kind > of a double edged sword for them. But lets make a clear distinction > between AT&T mandated controls and Apple controls. Apple wants to > control your life and I just want a phone that can do a bunch of > things. > > Thanks, > -- > Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) > Sr. Security Researcher > Websense Security Labs > http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com > -- > > > -Original Message- > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- > boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:48 PM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? > > Well, that's a bit over the top. As much as I don't like it, it's not > unreasonable for AT&T to not allow an app that destroys its business > model > on a device that it controls. > > I still haven't seen a single phone out there with an interface, > software, > and UI that can compare to the iPhone. So I'm willing to put up > with a few > minor issues in exchange for that. > > --- > Brian Weeden > Technical Advisor > Secure World Foundation <http://www.secureworldfoundation.org> > Montreal Office > +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada > +1 (202) 683-8534 US > > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Mesdaq, Ali > wrote: > >> Precisely the reason why I haven’t gotten an iphone. I hate the li >> mitations >> and the hoops you have to jump through to do some basic things. >> >> Thanks, >> -- >> Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) >> Sr. Security Researcher >> Websense Security Labs >> http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com >> ---------- >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto: >> hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden >> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:25 PM >> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com >> Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? >> >> Unless your device isn't allowed to have such pieces of software, >> like the >> iPhone. >> >> Which is why my iPhone is *cough* modified *cough*. >> >> --- >> Brian Weeden >> Technical Advisor >> Secure World Foundation <http://www.secureworldfoundation.org> >> Montreal Office >> +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada >> +1 (202) 683-8534 US >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mesdaq, Ali >> wrote: >> >>> That’s not a limitation of this nokia. Anyone could write a SIP >> application >>> in fact someone wrote something for Google voice already >>> http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/dialcentral/ >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> -- >>> Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) >>> Sr. Securi
Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
I think Android has the potential to be the phone/UI we want, but it's going to be a few years of iterations to get there. - Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation On 2009-09-16, at 5:21 PM, "Mesdaq, Ali" wrote: Yeah I agree with you on that and that’s why I haven’t really upgraded my phone for so long. Now that the iphone has set such a hi gh standard I require the phone to be as user friendly as the iphone and hardware as good. My basic requirements are - UI as good as iphone - hardware as good or better than iphone - no limitations or little limitations on what I can do on the phone If iphone was a little more open in that regard there would be no phone that can compare. AT&T has kinda been screwed by the iphone because users are demanding bandwidth but not willing to pay for it. So its been kind of a double edged sword for them. But lets make a clear distinction between AT&T mandated controls and Apple controls. Apple wants to control your life and I just want a phone that can do a bunch of things. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:48 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? Well, that's a bit over the top. As much as I don't like it, it's not unreasonable for AT&T to not allow an app that destroys its business model on a device that it controls. I still haven't seen a single phone out there with an interface, software, and UI that can compare to the iPhone. So I'm willing to put up with a few minor issues in exchange for that. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation <http://www.secureworldfoundation.org> Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Mesdaq, Ali wrote: Precisely the reason why I haven’t gotten an iphone. I hate the li mitations and the hoops you have to jump through to do some basic things. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:25 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? Unless your device isn't allowed to have such pieces of software, like the iPhone. Which is why my iPhone is *cough* modified *cough*. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation <http://www.secureworldfoundation.org> Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mesdaq, Ali wrote: That’s not a limitation of this nokia. Anyone could write a SIP application in fact someone wrote something for Google voice already http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/dialcentral/ Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Robert Martin Jr. Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:00 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? I like Nokia and have an N81. What I don't like is that Nokia has been pressured by mobile carriers to remove the built-in SIP support on all the newer models. When I walk in at home or at work my N81 auto sychs up with my asterisk server via wireless, and I can make totally free unlimited calls using google voice anywhere in the continental U.S. The phone becomes an extension to the system whenever internet connectivity is available. We got off monthly mobile plan to pay-per-minutes since we can still use the nokia phones through WiFi. Now I pay about $8 a month for my cellular service :) lopaka --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Mesdaq, Ali wrote: From: Mesdaq, Ali Subject: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? To: "hardware@hardwaregroup.com" Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 9:03 AM Has anyone seen the N9000 phone? I just read some reviews, specs, developer docs, and saw some videos on this phone and it seems amazing! Anyone have access to this phone or know of anyone with one? Seems like it's not released yet but usually phones
Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
Yeah I agree with you on that and that’s why I haven’t really upgraded my phone for so long. Now that the iphone has set such a high standard I require the phone to be as user friendly as the iphone and hardware as good. My basic requirements are - UI as good as iphone - hardware as good or better than iphone - no limitations or little limitations on what I can do on the phone If iphone was a little more open in that regard there would be no phone that can compare. AT&T has kinda been screwed by the iphone because users are demanding bandwidth but not willing to pay for it. So its been kind of a double edged sword for them. But lets make a clear distinction between AT&T mandated controls and Apple controls. Apple wants to control your life and I just want a phone that can do a bunch of things. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:48 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? Well, that's a bit over the top. As much as I don't like it, it's not unreasonable for AT&T to not allow an app that destroys its business model on a device that it controls. I still haven't seen a single phone out there with an interface, software, and UI that can compare to the iPhone. So I'm willing to put up with a few minor issues in exchange for that. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation <http://www.secureworldfoundation.org> Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Mesdaq, Ali wrote: > Precisely the reason why I haven’t gotten an iphone. I hate the limitations > and the hoops you have to jump through to do some basic things. > > Thanks, > -- > Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) > Sr. Security Researcher > Websense Security Labs > http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com > -- > > > -Original Message- > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto: > hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:25 PM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? > > Unless your device isn't allowed to have such pieces of software, like the > iPhone. > > Which is why my iPhone is *cough* modified *cough*. > > --- > Brian Weeden > Technical Advisor > Secure World Foundation <http://www.secureworldfoundation.org> > Montreal Office > +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada > +1 (202) 683-8534 US > > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mesdaq, Ali wrote: > > > That’s not a limitation of this nokia. Anyone could write a SIP > application > > in fact someone wrote something for Google voice already > > http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/dialcentral/ > > > > > > Thanks, > > -- > > Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) > > Sr. Security Researcher > > Websense Security Labs > > http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com > > -- > > > > > > -----Original Message- > > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto: > > hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Robert Martin Jr. > > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:00 AM > > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > > Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? > > > > I like Nokia and have an N81. What I don't like is that Nokia has been > > pressured by mobile carriers to remove the built-in SIP support on all > the > > newer models. When I walk in at home or at work my N81 auto sychs up with > my > > asterisk server via wireless, and I can make totally free unlimited calls > > using google voice anywhere in the continental U.S. The phone becomes an > > extension to the system whenever internet connectivity is available. > > > > We got off monthly mobile plan to pay-per-minutes since we can still use > > the nokia phones through WiFi. Now I pay about $8 a month for my cellular > > service :) > > > > lopaka > > > > --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Mesdaq, Ali wrote: > > > > From: Mesdaq, Ali > > Subject: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? > > To: "hardware@hardwaregroup.com" > > Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 9:03 AM
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I could be wrong but I believe the older phones have hardware sip support so it doesn't drain the battery the way software based VOIP does. I've run plenty of software based SIP off various phones but it's not as seamless as the built in stuff lopaka --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Mesdaq, Ali wrote: From: Mesdaq, Ali Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? To: "hardware@hardwaregroup.com" Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 12:21 PM That’s not a limitation of this nokia. Anyone could write a SIP application in fact someone wrote something for Google voice already http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/dialcentral/ Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Robert Martin Jr. Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:00 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? I like Nokia and have an N81. What I don't like is that Nokia has been pressured by mobile carriers to remove the built-in SIP support on all the newer models. When I walk in at home or at work my N81 auto sychs up with my asterisk server via wireless, and I can make totally free unlimited calls using google voice anywhere in the continental U.S. The phone becomes an extension to the system whenever internet connectivity is available. We got off monthly mobile plan to pay-per-minutes since we can still use the nokia phones through WiFi. Now I pay about $8 a month for my cellular service :) lopaka --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Mesdaq, Ali wrote: From: Mesdaq, Ali Subject: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? To: "hardware@hardwaregroup.com" Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 9:03 AM Has anyone seen the N9000 phone? I just read some reviews, specs, developer docs, and saw some videos on this phone and it seems amazing! Anyone have access to this phone or know of anyone with one? Seems like it's not released yet but usually phones find their way to the market early. In case you haven’t seen the phone here are some links http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/hands-on-nokia-n900-review-631040 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE Quick highlights for me personally are - Debian based linux OS - Updates to everything over the air - Killer UI - Full flash support in a full Mozilla based browser - Very nice hardware specs in every facet i.e. camera, storage, processor, screen, graphics hardware accelerator, etc - Real multi tasking OS and interface - Get root shell on the device All in all this device seems to be created as a mobile computer because of Maemo's roots as a tablet PC OS. So the phone is just treated as a platform and hardware to run the OS. For example you can just not use the phone at all and make all your calls via Skype over Wifi or 3g connectivity. Looks like finally a no strings attached phone. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- Protected by Websense Hosted Email Security -- www.websense.com
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Well, that's a bit over the top. As much as I don't like it, it's not unreasonable for AT&T to not allow an app that destroys its business model on a device that it controls. I still haven't seen a single phone out there with an interface, software, and UI that can compare to the iPhone. So I'm willing to put up with a few minor issues in exchange for that. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation <http://www.secureworldfoundation.org> Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Mesdaq, Ali wrote: > Precisely the reason why I haven’t gotten an iphone. I hate the limitations > and the hoops you have to jump through to do some basic things. > > Thanks, > -- > Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) > Sr. Security Researcher > Websense Security Labs > http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com > -- > > > -Original Message- > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto: > hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:25 PM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? > > Unless your device isn't allowed to have such pieces of software, like the > iPhone. > > Which is why my iPhone is *cough* modified *cough*. > > --- > Brian Weeden > Technical Advisor > Secure World Foundation <http://www.secureworldfoundation.org> > Montreal Office > +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada > +1 (202) 683-8534 US > > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mesdaq, Ali wrote: > > > That’s not a limitation of this nokia. Anyone could write a SIP > application > > in fact someone wrote something for Google voice already > > http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/dialcentral/ > > > > > > Thanks, > > -- > > Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) > > Sr. Security Researcher > > Websense Security Labs > > http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com > > -- > > > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto: > > hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Robert Martin Jr. > > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:00 AM > > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > > Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? > > > > I like Nokia and have an N81. What I don't like is that Nokia has been > > pressured by mobile carriers to remove the built-in SIP support on all > the > > newer models. When I walk in at home or at work my N81 auto sychs up with > my > > asterisk server via wireless, and I can make totally free unlimited calls > > using google voice anywhere in the continental U.S. The phone becomes an > > extension to the system whenever internet connectivity is available. > > > > We got off monthly mobile plan to pay-per-minutes since we can still use > > the nokia phones through WiFi. Now I pay about $8 a month for my cellular > > service :) > > > > lopaka > > > > --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Mesdaq, Ali wrote: > > > > From: Mesdaq, Ali > > Subject: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? > > To: "hardware@hardwaregroup.com" > > Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 9:03 AM > > > > Has anyone seen the N9000 phone? I just read some reviews, specs, > developer > > docs, and saw some videos on this phone and it seems amazing! Anyone have > > access to this phone or know of anyone with one? Seems like it's not > > released yet but usually phones find their way to the market early. In > case > > you haven’t seen the phone here are some links > > > > > > > http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/hands-on-nokia-n900-review-631040 > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE > > > > > > Quick highlights for me personally are > > - Debian based linux OS > > - Updates to everything over the air > > - Killer UI > > - Full flash support in a full Mozilla based browser > > - Very nice hardware specs in every facet i.e. camera, storage, > processor, > > screen, graphics hardware accelerator, etc > > - Real multi tasking OS and interface > > - Get root shell on the device > > > > All in all this device seems to be created as a mobile computer because > of > > Maemo's roots as a tablet PC OS. So the phone is just treated as a > platform > > and hardware to run the OS. For example you can just not use the phone at > > all and make all your calls via Skype over Wifi or 3g connectivity. Looks > > like finally a no strings attached phone. > > > > Thanks, > > -- > > Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) > > Sr. Security Researcher > > Websense Security Labs > > http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Protected by Websense Hosted Email Security -- www.websense.com > > >
Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
Precisely the reason why I haven’t gotten an iphone. I hate the limitations and the hoops you have to jump through to do some basic things. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:25 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? Unless your device isn't allowed to have such pieces of software, like the iPhone. Which is why my iPhone is *cough* modified *cough*. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation <http://www.secureworldfoundation.org> Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mesdaq, Ali wrote: > That’s not a limitation of this nokia. Anyone could write a SIP application > in fact someone wrote something for Google voice already > http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/dialcentral/ > > > Thanks, > -- > Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) > Sr. Security Researcher > Websense Security Labs > http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com > -- > > > -Original Message- > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto: > hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Robert Martin Jr. > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:00 AM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? > > I like Nokia and have an N81. What I don't like is that Nokia has been > pressured by mobile carriers to remove the built-in SIP support on all the > newer models. When I walk in at home or at work my N81 auto sychs up with my > asterisk server via wireless, and I can make totally free unlimited calls > using google voice anywhere in the continental U.S. The phone becomes an > extension to the system whenever internet connectivity is available. > > We got off monthly mobile plan to pay-per-minutes since we can still use > the nokia phones through WiFi. Now I pay about $8 a month for my cellular > service :) > > lopaka > > --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Mesdaq, Ali wrote: > > From: Mesdaq, Ali > Subject: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? > To: "hardware@hardwaregroup.com" > Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 9:03 AM > > Has anyone seen the N9000 phone? I just read some reviews, specs, developer > docs, and saw some videos on this phone and it seems amazing! Anyone have > access to this phone or know of anyone with one? Seems like it's not > released yet but usually phones find their way to the market early. In case > you haven’t seen the phone here are some links > > > http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/hands-on-nokia-n900-review-631040 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE > > > Quick highlights for me personally are > - Debian based linux OS > - Updates to everything over the air > - Killer UI > - Full flash support in a full Mozilla based browser > - Very nice hardware specs in every facet i.e. camera, storage, processor, > screen, graphics hardware accelerator, etc > - Real multi tasking OS and interface > - Get root shell on the device > > All in all this device seems to be created as a mobile computer because of > Maemo's roots as a tablet PC OS. So the phone is just treated as a platform > and hardware to run the OS. For example you can just not use the phone at > all and make all your calls via Skype over Wifi or 3g connectivity. Looks > like finally a no strings attached phone. > > Thanks, > -- > Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) > Sr. Security Researcher > Websense Security Labs > http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com > > -- > > > > > Protected by Websense Hosted Email Security -- www.websense.com >
Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
Unless your device isn't allowed to have such pieces of software, like the iPhone. Which is why my iPhone is *cough* modified *cough*. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation <http://www.secureworldfoundation.org> Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mesdaq, Ali wrote: > That’s not a limitation of this nokia. Anyone could write a SIP application > in fact someone wrote something for Google voice already > http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/dialcentral/ > > > Thanks, > -- > Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) > Sr. Security Researcher > Websense Security Labs > http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com > -- > > > -Original Message- > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto: > hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Robert Martin Jr. > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:00 AM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? > > I like Nokia and have an N81. What I don't like is that Nokia has been > pressured by mobile carriers to remove the built-in SIP support on all the > newer models. When I walk in at home or at work my N81 auto sychs up with my > asterisk server via wireless, and I can make totally free unlimited calls > using google voice anywhere in the continental U.S. The phone becomes an > extension to the system whenever internet connectivity is available. > > We got off monthly mobile plan to pay-per-minutes since we can still use > the nokia phones through WiFi. Now I pay about $8 a month for my cellular > service :) > > lopaka > > --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Mesdaq, Ali wrote: > > From: Mesdaq, Ali > Subject: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? > To: "hardware@hardwaregroup.com" > Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 9:03 AM > > Has anyone seen the N9000 phone? I just read some reviews, specs, developer > docs, and saw some videos on this phone and it seems amazing! Anyone have > access to this phone or know of anyone with one? Seems like it's not > released yet but usually phones find their way to the market early. In case > you haven’t seen the phone here are some links > > > http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/hands-on-nokia-n900-review-631040 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE > > > Quick highlights for me personally are > - Debian based linux OS > - Updates to everything over the air > - Killer UI > - Full flash support in a full Mozilla based browser > - Very nice hardware specs in every facet i.e. camera, storage, processor, > screen, graphics hardware accelerator, etc > - Real multi tasking OS and interface > - Get root shell on the device > > All in all this device seems to be created as a mobile computer because of > Maemo's roots as a tablet PC OS. So the phone is just treated as a platform > and hardware to run the OS. For example you can just not use the phone at > all and make all your calls via Skype over Wifi or 3g connectivity. Looks > like finally a no strings attached phone. > > Thanks, > -- > Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) > Sr. Security Researcher > Websense Security Labs > http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com > > -- > > > > > Protected by Websense Hosted Email Security -- www.websense.com >
Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
That’s not a limitation of this nokia. Anyone could write a SIP application in fact someone wrote something for Google voice already http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/dialcentral/ Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Robert Martin Jr. Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:00 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? I like Nokia and have an N81. What I don't like is that Nokia has been pressured by mobile carriers to remove the built-in SIP support on all the newer models. When I walk in at home or at work my N81 auto sychs up with my asterisk server via wireless, and I can make totally free unlimited calls using google voice anywhere in the continental U.S. The phone becomes an extension to the system whenever internet connectivity is available. We got off monthly mobile plan to pay-per-minutes since we can still use the nokia phones through WiFi. Now I pay about $8 a month for my cellular service :) lopaka --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Mesdaq, Ali wrote: From: Mesdaq, Ali Subject: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? To: "hardware@hardwaregroup.com" Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 9:03 AM Has anyone seen the N9000 phone? I just read some reviews, specs, developer docs, and saw some videos on this phone and it seems amazing! Anyone have access to this phone or know of anyone with one? Seems like it's not released yet but usually phones find their way to the market early. In case you haven’t seen the phone here are some links http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/hands-on-nokia-n900-review-631040 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE Quick highlights for me personally are - Debian based linux OS - Updates to everything over the air - Killer UI - Full flash support in a full Mozilla based browser - Very nice hardware specs in every facet i.e. camera, storage, processor, screen, graphics hardware accelerator, etc - Real multi tasking OS and interface - Get root shell on the device All in all this device seems to be created as a mobile computer because of Maemo's roots as a tablet PC OS. So the phone is just treated as a platform and hardware to run the OS. For example you can just not use the phone at all and make all your calls via Skype over Wifi or 3g connectivity. Looks like finally a no strings attached phone. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- Protected by Websense Hosted Email Security -- www.websense.com
Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
I like Nokia and have an N81. What I don't like is that Nokia has been pressured by mobile carriers to remove the built-in SIP support on all the newer models. When I walk in at home or at work my N81 auto sychs up with my asterisk server via wireless, and I can make totally free unlimited calls using google voice anywhere in the continental U.S. The phone becomes an extension to the system whenever internet connectivity is available. We got off monthly mobile plan to pay-per-minutes since we can still use the nokia phones through WiFi. Now I pay about $8 a month for my cellular service :) lopaka --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Mesdaq, Ali wrote: From: Mesdaq, Ali Subject: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone? To: "hardware@hardwaregroup.com" Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 9:03 AM Has anyone seen the N9000 phone? I just read some reviews, specs, developer docs, and saw some videos on this phone and it seems amazing! Anyone have access to this phone or know of anyone with one? Seems like it's not released yet but usually phones find their way to the market early. In case you haven’t seen the phone here are some links http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/hands-on-nokia-n900-review-631040 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE Quick highlights for me personally are - Debian based linux OS - Updates to everything over the air - Killer UI - Full flash support in a full Mozilla based browser - Very nice hardware specs in every facet i.e. camera, storage, processor, screen, graphics hardware accelerator, etc - Real multi tasking OS and interface - Get root shell on the device All in all this device seems to be created as a mobile computer because of Maemo's roots as a tablet PC OS. So the phone is just treated as a platform and hardware to run the OS. For example you can just not use the phone at all and make all your calls via Skype over Wifi or 3g connectivity. Looks like finally a no strings attached phone. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- Protected by Websense Hosted Email Security -- www.websense.com
[H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
Has anyone seen the N9000 phone? I just read some reviews, specs, developer docs, and saw some videos on this phone and it seems amazing! Anyone have access to this phone or know of anyone with one? Seems like it's not released yet but usually phones find their way to the market early. In case you haven’t seen the phone here are some links http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/hands-on-nokia-n900-review-631040 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE Quick highlights for me personally are - Debian based linux OS - Updates to everything over the air - Killer UI - Full flash support in a full Mozilla based browser - Very nice hardware specs in every facet i.e. camera, storage, processor, screen, graphics hardware accelerator, etc - Real multi tasking OS and interface - Get root shell on the device All in all this device seems to be created as a mobile computer because of Maemo's roots as a tablet PC OS. So the phone is just treated as a platform and hardware to run the OS. For example you can just not use the phone at all and make all your calls via Skype over Wifi or 3g connectivity. Looks like finally a no strings attached phone. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- Protected by Websense Hosted Email Security -- www.websense.com
