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I use the term pagefile and swap file interchangeably. I thought they were just newer and older names for the same thing. The classic form of inovation by MS where they use a different name for the same thing. I guess that is so they can tell what version (etc?) you are using. I used to keep my swap file off C, but I move drives around too much, and then the better Imaging programs started knowing they did not need to keep them in the Image, so I moved it back to C which I also made bigger for it.. I did not really get what your reservations were. Sorry. Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: DSinc Rick, That is a good point, but you focus on swap files. Think this is a bad focus. Yes, RAM is relatively cheap now. Way back when not so. Yes, hard drives are still relatively cheap now. (I think.) Way back when I still recall all the list traffic about who's using who's HD. :) The swap file issue is just how MS decided to deal with all the possible combination's of RAM vs. HD that all of us really used. Well, and their own bogus programming too! A simple way to market their product to the masses (us). The wise guys learned how to park the swap file somewhere other than C:. Too bad M$ does not give us a choice where the Windows swap file lives... :( I have thought about moving my swap file(s) for that past 10yrs. I have not yet moved one of them! Perhaps I will if/when I dabble with Win7.. :) Duncan On 01/13/2010 19:30, Rick Glazier wrote: Maybe one old idea we need to keep is that hard drives are for storage. Swap files are for when RAM was expensive. clipped
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The page file should go on the SSD: Should the pagefile be placed on SSDs? Yes. Most pagefile operations are small random reads or larger sequential writes, both of which are types of operations that SSDs handle well. In looking at telemetry data from thousands of traces and focusing on pagefile reads and writes, we find that Pagefile.sys reads outnumber pagefile.sys writes by about 40 to 1, Pagefile.sys read sizes are typically quite small, with 67% less than or equal to 4 KB, and 88% less than 16 KB. Pagefile.sys writes are relatively large, with 62% greater than or equal to 128 KB and 45% being exactly 1 MB in size. In fact, given typical pagefile reference patterns and the favorable performance characteristics SSDs have on those patterns, there are few files better than the pagefile to place on an SSD. http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/05/05/support-and-q-a-for-solid-state-drives-and.aspx
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Very impressing blog. e7blog http://blogs.msdn.com/user/Profile.aspx?UserID=150067 Member since 8/14/2008 4:32:52 AM I wish they said if that was internal info from MS, if they worked there, or anything at all... etc. They make a good case. Plus, why have one and not use it if you can. I'll check into it when (if) I get one. In the mean time, others should watch the Intel percentage of wear indicator closely. It is a course measurement, but they claim it is statistically accurate. Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: Eli Allen ealle...@gmail.com To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [H] SSD question The page file should go on the SSD: Should the pagefile be placed on SSDs? Yes. Most pagefile operations are small random reads or larger sequential writes, both of which are types of operations that SSDs handle well. In looking at telemetry data from thousands of traces and focusing on pagefile reads and writes, we find that Pagefile.sys reads outnumber pagefile.sys writes by about 40 to 1, Pagefile.sys read sizes are typically quite small, with 67% less than or equal to 4 KB, and 88% less than 16 KB. Pagefile.sys writes are relatively large, with 62% greater than or equal to 128 KB and 45% being exactly 1 MB in size. In fact, given typical pagefile reference patterns and the favorable performance characteristics SSDs have on those patterns, there are few files better than the pagefile to place on an SSD. http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/05/05/support-and-q-a-for-solid-state-drives-and.aspx
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Rick, I have no reservations about where the pagefile/swapfile lives. I was only following the current logic of using SSD's only as boot devices that would mostly be read from post initial OS install. Eli's recent share regarding pagefile/swapfile actions lead me to pretty much ignore this issue. I could be wrong, but I thought the conventional wisdom with SSD's was to reduce write activities to a minimum. Nothing more. Duncan On 01/14/2010 07:36, Rick Glazier wrote: I use the term pagefile and swap file interchangeably. I thought they were just newer and older names for the same thing. The classic form of inovation by MS where they use a different name for the same thing. I guess that is so they can tell what version (etc?) you are using. I used to keep my swap file off C, but I move drives around too much, and then the better Imaging programs started knowing they did not need to keep them in the Image, so I moved it back to C which I also made bigger for it.. I did not really get what your reservations were. Sorry. Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: DSinc Rick, That is a good point, but you focus on swap files. Think this is a bad focus. Yes, RAM is relatively cheap now. Way back when not so. Yes, hard drives are still relatively cheap now. (I think.) Way back when I still recall all the list traffic about who's using who's HD. :) The swap file issue is just how MS decided to deal with all the possible combination's of RAM vs. HD that all of us really used. Well, and their own bogus programming too! A simple way to market their product to the masses (us). The wise guys learned how to park the swap file somewhere other than C:. Too bad M$ does not give us a choice where the Windows swap file lives... :( I have thought about moving my swap file(s) for that past 10yrs. I have not yet moved one of them! Perhaps I will if/when I dabble with Win7.. :) Duncan On 01/13/2010 19:30, Rick Glazier wrote: Maybe one old idea we need to keep is that hard drives are for storage. Swap files are for when RAM was expensive. clipped
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There seems to be lots of confusion or differing ideas. Since I don't have one and will not have one soon I think I'll wait till things shake out. I did not mean to put words in your mouth, maybe reservations was the wrong phrase. Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: DSinc dx7...@bellsouth.net To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [H] SSD question Rick, I have no reservations about where the pagefile/swapfile lives. I was only following the current logic of using SSD's only as boot devices that would mostly be read from post initial OS install. Eli's recent share regarding pagefile/swapfile actions lead me to pretty much ignore this issue. I could be wrong, but I thought the conventional wisdom with SSD's was to reduce write activities to a minimum. Nothing more. Duncan On 01/14/2010 07:36, Rick Glazier wrote: I use the term pagefile and swap file interchangeably. I thought they were just newer and older names for the same thing. The classic form of inovation by MS where they use a different name for the same thing. I guess that is so they can tell what version (etc?) you are using. I used to keep my swap file off C, but I move drives around too much, and then the better Imaging programs started knowing they did not need to keep them in the Image, so I moved it back to C which I also made bigger for it.. I did not really get what your reservations were. Sorry. Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: DSinc Rick, That is a good point, but you focus on swap files. Think this is a bad focus. Yes, RAM is relatively cheap now. Way back when not so. Yes, hard drives are still relatively cheap now. (I think.) Way back when I still recall all the list traffic about who's using who's HD. :) The swap file issue is just how MS decided to deal with all the possible combination's of RAM vs. HD that all of us really used. Well, and their own bogus programming too! A simple way to market their product to the masses (us). The wise guys learned how to park the swap file somewhere other than C:. Too bad M$ does not give us a choice where the Windows swap file lives... :( I have thought about moving my swap file(s) for that past 10yrs. I have not yet moved one of them! Perhaps I will if/when I dabble with Win7.. :) Duncan On 01/13/2010 19:30, Rick Glazier wrote: Maybe one old idea we need to keep is that hard drives are for storage. Swap files are for when RAM was expensive. clipped
[H] SSD question
I don't want to pop for a larger SSD right now, but I am thinking of getting a 30GB OCZ just to try out, maybe use it for video editing, game install. I am wondering how well this might work out for a pagefile.sys file? How close is it to RAM speeds?
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Bad idea, you want to LIMIT writes to those, but if you could afford to wear it out, go for it. It would be faster than a SwapFile on an HD. Intel has a white paper on this IIRC. (I don't have any but might have stored the whitepaper.) Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:32 PM Subject: [H] SSD question I don't want to pop for a larger SSD right now, but I am thinking of getting a 30GB OCZ just to try out, maybe use it for video editing, game install. I am wondering how well this might work out for a pagefile.sys file? How close is it to RAM speeds?
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That doesn't make sense. First these are hard drives... not flash drives. Limit writes??... what kind of hard drive is that. People typically put their OS on these and pagefile.sys defaults to the C drive. At 02:28 PM 1/13/2010, you wrote: Bad idea, you want to LIMIT writes to those, but if you could afford to wear it out, go for it. It would be faster than a SwapFile on an HD. Intel has a white paper on this IIRC. (I don't have any but might have stored the whitepaper.) Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:32 PM Subject: [H] SSD question I don't want to pop for a larger SSD right now, but I am thinking of getting a 30GB OCZ just to try out, maybe use it for video editing, game install. I am wondering how well this might work out for a pagefile.sys file? How close is it to RAM speeds?
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Yeah, I disabled indexing and the swap drive on mine (have 4 gigs of memory, so never use the swap drive anyhow) after reading some tips on how to optimize for SSD's On Jan 13, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Rick Glazier wrote: Bad idea, you want to LIMIT writes to those, but if you could afford to wear it out, go for it. It would be faster than a SwapFile on an HD. Intel has a white paper on this IIRC. (I don't have any but might have stored the whitepaper.) Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:32 PM Subject: [H] SSD question I don't want to pop for a larger SSD right now, but I am thinking of getting a 30GB OCZ just to try out, maybe use it for video editing, game install. I am wondering how well this might work out for a pagefile.sys file? How close is it to RAM speeds? -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored.
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It makes perfect sense. SSD drives are flash drives in the sense that they have a limited number of writes per cell (but virtually unlimited reads). Which is why with an SSD drive you don't want to do operations like defragging, swap files, and run tools like Spin Rite. But most of those things are not needed for SSDs either. The real problem is with the concept of a swap file. Ram is cheap enough to have all you could need. --- Brian Sent from my iPhone On 2010-01-13, at 6:25 PM, Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org wrote: That doesn't make sense. First these are hard drives... not flash drives. Limit writes??... what kind of hard drive is that. People typically put their OS on these and pagefile.sys defaults to the C drive. At 02:28 PM 1/13/2010, you wrote: Bad idea, you want to LIMIT writes to those, but if you could afford to wear it out, go for it. It would be faster than a SwapFile on an HD. Intel has a white paper on this IIRC. (I don't have any but might have stored the whitepaper.) Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:32 PM Subject: [H] SSD question I don't want to pop for a larger SSD right now, but I am thinking of getting a 30GB OCZ just to try out, maybe use it for video editing, game install. I am wondering how well this might work out for a pagefile.sys file? How close is it to RAM speeds?
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Rick is 100% correct. You need to read up on it a little more. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:25 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD question That doesn't make sense. First these are hard drives... not flash drives. Limit writes??... what kind of hard drive is that. People typically put their OS on these and pagefile.sys defaults to the C drive. At 02:28 PM 1/13/2010, you wrote: Bad idea, you want to LIMIT writes to those, but if you could afford to wear it out, go for it. It would be faster than a SwapFile on an HD. Intel has a white paper on this IIRC. (I don't have any but might have stored the whitepaper.) Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:32 PM Subject: [H] SSD question I don't want to pop for a larger SSD right now, but I am thinking of getting a 30GB OCZ just to try out, maybe use it for video editing, game install. I am wondering how well this might work out for a pagefile.sys file? How close is it to RAM speeds? If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
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It makes sense. Sorry. Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [H] SSD question That doesn't make sense. First these are hard drives... not flash drives. Limit writes??... what kind of hard drive is that. People typically put their OS on these and pagefile.sys defaults to the C drive. At 02:28 PM 1/13/2010, you wrote: Bad idea, you want to LIMIT writes to those, but if you could afford to wear it out, go for it. It would be faster than a SwapFile on an HD. Intel has a white paper on this IIRC. (I don't have any but might have stored the whitepaper.) Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:32 PM Subject: [H] SSD question I don't want to pop for a larger SSD right now, but I am thinking of getting a 30GB OCZ just to try out, maybe use it for video editing, game install. I am wondering how well this might work out for a pagefile.sys file? How close is it to RAM speeds?
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The real problem is with the concept of a swap file. Ram is cheap enough to have all you could need. --- Brian maybe, but there are some apps that won't run well without the swap file... like Acrobat PRO. And while I noticed a big difference in XP PRO when disabling the swap file in favor of RAM; I have noticed no such performance difference in Vista 64, or 7 64 ,so I let windows put the swap file on my Velociraptor, and keep the RAM for other things. And I stick by the idea that most users are putting the OS on their SSD drives and I bet the average user is not turning off swap files surly the manufactures of SSDs would be aware of this. If there is that much of an issue with writes on a SSD then it isn't really a hard drive, and it isn't ready for my dollars. Sent from my iPhone On 2010-01-13, at 6:25 PM, Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org wrote: That doesn't make sense. First these are hard drives... not flash drives. Limit writes??... what kind of hard drive is that. People typically put their OS on these and pagefile.sys defaults to the C drive. At 02:28 PM 1/13/2010, you wrote: Bad idea, you want to LIMIT writes to those, but if you could afford to wear it out, go for it. It would be faster than a SwapFile on an HD. Intel has a white paper on this IIRC. (I don't have any but might have stored the whitepaper.) Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:32 PM Subject: [H] SSD question I don't want to pop for a larger SSD right now, but I am thinking of getting a 30GB OCZ just to try out, maybe use it for video editing, game install. I am wondering how well this might work out for a pagefile.sys file? How close is it to RAM speeds?
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Winterlight, Think you are wrong. SSD's are in essence very large flash drives. They are not mechanical; hence their speed increase. Limit writes?? Yes, absolutely. Writes wear out this cells. Reads of the [chosen, fixed] cells are !!FREE!!. I could be very wrong, but this is what I get from the List Memebers playing with them. JMHO. Duncan On 01/13/2010 18:25, Winterlight wrote: That doesn't make sense. First these are hard drives... not flash drives. Limit writes??... what kind of hard drive is that. People typically put their OS on these and pagefile.sys defaults to the C drive. At 02:28 PM 1/13/2010, you wrote: Bad idea, you want to LIMIT writes to those, but if you could afford to wear it out, go for it. It would be faster than a SwapFile on an HD. Intel has a white paper on this IIRC. (I don't have any but might have stored the whitepaper.) Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:32 PM Subject: [H] SSD question I don't want to pop for a larger SSD right now, but I am thinking of getting a 30GB OCZ just to try out, maybe use it for video editing, game install. I am wondering how well this might work out for a pagefile.sys file? How close is it to RAM speeds?
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This is a training class link below. This is not where I got my original info, but it might help clarify it. http://intelstudios.edgesuite.net/idf/2009/sf/aep/IDF_2009_MEMS003/f.htm This is all new stuff, and has little to do with old ideas. Hear what they say starting around 3min 40secs. IDF 2009 presentation: Enterprise Data Integrity and Increasing the Endurance of Your Solid-State Drive IIRC (and I have a bad memory for this) the design life is 100G a day for 5 years. So it is not as bad as it seems, but use it more and it craps out quicker. Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [H] SSD question The real problem is with the concept of a swap file. Ram is cheap enough to have all you could need. --- Brian maybe, but there are some apps that won't run well without the swap file... like Acrobat PRO. And while I noticed a big difference in XP PRO when disabling the swap file in favor of RAM; I have noticed no such performance difference in Vista 64, or 7 64 ,so I let windows put the swap file on my Velociraptor, and keep the RAM for other things. And I stick by the idea that most users are putting the OS on their SSD drives and I bet the average user is not turning off swap files surly the manufactures of SSDs would be aware of this. If there is that much of an issue with writes on a SSD then it isn't really a hard drive, and it isn't ready for my dollars. Sent from my iPhone On 2010-01-13, at 6:25 PM, Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org wrote: That doesn't make sense. First these are hard drives... not flash drives. Limit writes??... what kind of hard drive is that. People typically put their OS on these and pagefile.sys defaults to the C drive. At 02:28 PM 1/13/2010, you wrote: Bad idea, you want to LIMIT writes to those, but if you could afford to wear it out, go for it. It would be faster than a SwapFile on an HD. Intel has a white paper on this IIRC. (I don't have any but might have stored the whitepaper.) Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:32 PM Subject: [H] SSD question I don't want to pop for a larger SSD right now, but I am thinking of getting a 30GB OCZ just to try out, maybe use it for video editing, game install. I am wondering how well this might work out for a pagefile.sys file? How close is it to RAM speeds?
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Maybe one old idea we need to keep is that hard drives are for storage. Swap files are for when RAM was expensive. My latest box could have 16G of RAM. (Not in my lifetime.) RAM is cheaper and last longer than an SSD. That is all we are saying. Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [H] SSD question The real problem is with the concept of a swap file. Ram is cheap enough to have all you could need. --- Brian maybe, but there are some apps that won't run well without the swap file... like Acrobat PRO. And while I noticed a big difference in XP PRO when disabling the swap file in favor of RAM; I have noticed no such performance difference in Vista 64, or 7 64 ,so I let windows put the swap file on my Velociraptor, and keep the RAM for other things. And I stick by the idea that most users are putting the OS on their SSD drives and I bet the average user is not turning off swap files surly the manufactures of SSDs would be aware of this. If there is that much of an issue with writes on a SSD then it isn't really a hard drive, and it isn't ready for my dollars. Sent from my iPhone On 2010-01-13, at 6:25 PM, Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org wrote: That doesn't make sense. First these are hard drives... not flash drives. Limit writes??... what kind of hard drive is that. People typically put their OS on these and pagefile.sys defaults to the C drive. At 02:28 PM 1/13/2010, you wrote: Bad idea, you want to LIMIT writes to those, but if you could afford to wear it out, go for it. It would be faster than a SwapFile on an HD. Intel has a white paper on this IIRC. (I don't have any but might have stored the whitepaper.) Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:32 PM Subject: [H] SSD question I don't want to pop for a larger SSD right now, but I am thinking of getting a 30GB OCZ just to try out, maybe use it for video editing, game install. I am wondering how well this might work out for a pagefile.sys file? How close is it to RAM speeds?
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Rick, That is a good point, but you focus on swap files. Think this is a bad focus. Yes, RAM is relatively cheap now. Way back when not so. Yes, hard drives are still relatively cheap now. (I think.) Way back when I still recall all the list traffic about who's using who's HD. :) The swap file issue is just how MS decided to deal with all the possible combination's of RAM vs. HD that all of us really used. Well, and their own bogus programming too! A simple way to market their product to the masses (us). The wise guys learned how to park the swap file somewhere other than C:. Too bad M$ does not give us a choice where the Windows swap file lives... :( I have thought about moving my swap file(s) for that past 10yrs. I have not yet moved one of them! Perhaps I will if/when I dabble with Win7.. :) Duncan On 01/13/2010 19:30, Rick Glazier wrote: Maybe one old idea we need to keep is that hard drives are for storage. Swap files are for when RAM was expensive. My latest box could have 16G of RAM. (Not in my lifetime.) RAM is cheaper and last longer than an SSD. That is all we are saying. Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [H] SSD question The real problem is with the concept of a swap file. Ram is cheap enough to have all you could need. --- Brian maybe, but there are some apps that won't run well without the swap file... like Acrobat PRO. And while I noticed a big difference in XP PRO when disabling the swap file in favor of RAM; I have noticed no such performance difference in Vista 64, or 7 64 ,so I let windows put the swap file on my Velociraptor, and keep the RAM for other things. And I stick by the idea that most users are putting the OS on their SSD drives and I bet the average user is not turning off swap files surly the manufactures of SSDs would be aware of this. If there is that much of an issue with writes on a SSD then it isn't really a hard drive, and it isn't ready for my dollars. Sent from my iPhone On 2010-01-13, at 6:25 PM, Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org wrote: That doesn't make sense. First these are hard drives... not flash drives. Limit writes??... what kind of hard drive is that. People typically put their OS on these and pagefile.sys defaults to the C drive. At 02:28 PM 1/13/2010, you wrote: Bad idea, you want to LIMIT writes to those, but if you could afford to wear it out, go for it. It would be faster than a SwapFile on an HD. Intel has a white paper on this IIRC. (I don't have any but might have stored the whitepaper.) Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:32 PM Subject: [H] SSD question I don't want to pop for a larger SSD right now, but I am thinking of getting a 30GB OCZ just to try out, maybe use it for video editing, game install. I am wondering how well this might work out for a pagefile.sys file? How close is it to RAM speeds?
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Duncan - I've been moving my Windows swap file for years now. And under both Windows Vista and Win 7 you can run without a swap file (XP required one). --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:00 PM, DSinc dx7...@bellsouth.net wrote: Rick, That is a good point, but you focus on swap files. Think this is a bad focus. Yes, RAM is relatively cheap now. Way back when not so. Yes, hard drives are still relatively cheap now. (I think.) Way back when I still recall all the list traffic about who's using who's HD. :) The swap file issue is just how MS decided to deal with all the possible combination's of RAM vs. HD that all of us really used. Well, and their own bogus programming too! A simple way to market their product to the masses (us). The wise guys learned how to park the swap file somewhere other than C:. Too bad M$ does not give us a choice where the Windows swap file lives... :( I have thought about moving my swap file(s) for that past 10yrs. I have not yet moved one of them! Perhaps I will if/when I dabble with Win7.. :) Duncan On 01/13/2010 19:30, Rick Glazier wrote: Maybe one old idea we need to keep is that hard drives are for storage. Swap files are for when RAM was expensive. My latest box could have 16G of RAM. (Not in my lifetime.) RAM is cheaper and last longer than an SSD. That is all we are saying. Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [H] SSD question The real problem is with the concept of a swap file. Ram is cheap enough to have all you could need. --- Brian maybe, but there are some apps that won't run well without the swap file... like Acrobat PRO. And while I noticed a big difference in XP PRO when disabling the swap file in favor of RAM; I have noticed no such performance difference in Vista 64, or 7 64 ,so I let windows put the swap file on my Velociraptor, and keep the RAM for other things. And I stick by the idea that most users are putting the OS on their SSD drives and I bet the average user is not turning off swap files surly the manufactures of SSDs would be aware of this. If there is that much of an issue with writes on a SSD then it isn't really a hard drive, and it isn't ready for my dollars. Sent from my iPhone On 2010-01-13, at 6:25 PM, Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org wrote: That doesn't make sense. First these are hard drives... not flash drives. Limit writes??... what kind of hard drive is that. People typically put their OS on these and pagefile.sys defaults to the C drive. At 02:28 PM 1/13/2010, you wrote: Bad idea, you want to LIMIT writes to those, but if you could afford to wear it out, go for it. It would be faster than a SwapFile on an HD. Intel has a white paper on this IIRC. (I don't have any but might have stored the whitepaper.) Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:32 PM Subject: [H] SSD question I don't want to pop for a larger SSD right now, but I am thinking of getting a 30GB OCZ just to try out, maybe use it for video editing, game install. I am wondering how well this might work out for a pagefile.sys file? How close is it to RAM speeds?
