[H] The Nightmare of 775
I was upgrading the processor in my 2+ year old 775 mobosince I wanted to overclock, I decided to use the Ninja Plus cooler I bought 2 years ago but never used since I decided I wasn't going to over clock. Well, the stock intel heatsink/fan with the pushpins is a real pain to deal with on a 775 mobo...but damn! Try to install a Ninja Plus! The fins are like supersharp rasor...trying to push the pushpins with the fins and heatsinks for the nb is impossibleso after you get all bloody you decide to turn the Ninja Plus upside down...and install the mobo from the top, onto the bottom on the Ninja, while holding the mobo upside down. AFter a while you get it on there...and the pins appear to have pushed though. YAY, you say. You turn the pushpins so they lock...then you insert the mobo into the case, and get everything screwed and plugged in then you use the system...moving it...opening the case...whatnot. Then you start noticing that some of your cores seem to run hotter than the others even under loadwhy would that be? Well, finally, you tough the humongous Ninja and notice that that sucker is just sort of hanging there loosewaiting to fall off...as it is mounted horizontally, at a right angle to your mobo. Damn! Now, you got to yank that sucker and see if you can get it to hold...after you do, and put in back in there...get everything screwed and plugged in, you notice again that it's moving again! Now what do you do? There must be a better way?
Re: [H] The Nightmare of 775
775 heatsink connection is a plaque, usually not the first time but to RR. Lousy design. IMO fp At 08:44 AM 1/19/2010, Anthony Q. Martin Poked the stick with: I was upgrading the processor in my 2+ year old 775 mobosince I wanted to overclock, I decided to use the Ninja Plus cooler I bought 2 years ago but never used since I decided I wasn't going to over clock. Well, the stock intel heatsink/fan with the pushpins is a real pain to deal with on a 775 mobo...but damn! Try to install a Ninja Plus! The fins are like supersharp rasor...trying to push the pushpins with the fins and heatsinks for the nb is impossibleso after you get all bloody you decide to turn the Ninja Plus upside down...and install the mobo from the top, onto the bottom on the Ninja, while holding the mobo upside down. AFter a while you get it on there...and the pins appear to have pushed though. YAY, you say. You turn the pushpins so they lock...then you insert the mobo into the case, and get everything screwed and plugged in then you use the system...moving it...opening the case...whatnot. Then you start noticing that some of your cores seem to run hotter than the others even under loadwhy would that be? Well, finally, you tough the humongous Ninja and notice that that sucker is just sort of hanging there loosewaiting to fall off...as it is mounted horizontally, at a right angle to your mobo. Damn! Now, you got to yank that sucker and see if you can get it to hold...after you do, and put in back in there...get everything screwed and plugged in, you notice again that it's moving again! Now what do you do? There must be a better way? __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4786 (20100119) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Once during prohibition, I was forced to live on nothing but food and water. - W.C. Fields
Re: [H] The Nightmare of 775
Anthony, Please rant on! I too, had a tough learning curve with the current/past 775 heatsink/cooler installation. To the point that I am frightened to even try and upgrade the stock Intel hs/cooler that came with my C2D-E8400's (3). It is truly a mess! I do understand the snap-fit, quarter-turn-lock business. It took me the best part of an afternoon on the first install to get it to take! It only took me 5 tries! And lots of A5 paste/clean-up/re-paste, etc.! Yes, the next 2 installs went smoother. :) And this after past installs of Alpha's and big Thermalright coolers on AMD heater's. I guess real metal mounting hardware is just too expensive now :( My only counsel is work SLOW, RTFM's, patience, work SLOW, RTFM's again, cuss alot, work SLOW! Best, Duncan On 01/19/2010 10:44, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I was upgrading the processor in my 2+ year old 775 mobosince I wanted to overclock, I decided to use the Ninja Plus cooler I bought 2 years ago but never used since I decided I wasn't going to over clock. Well, the stock intel heatsink/fan with the pushpins is a real pain to deal with on a 775 mobo...but damn! Try to install a Ninja Plus! The fins are like supersharp rasor...trying to push the pushpins with the fins and heatsinks for the nb is impossibleso after you get all bloody you decide to turn the Ninja Plus upside down...and install the mobo from the top, onto the bottom on the Ninja, while holding the mobo upside down. AFter a while you get it on there...and the pins appear to have pushed though. YAY, you say. You turn the pushpins so they lock...then you insert the mobo into the case, and get everything screwed and plugged in then you use the system...moving it...opening the case...whatnot. Then you start noticing that some of your cores seem to run hotter than the others even under loadwhy would that be? Well, finally, you tough the humongous Ninja and notice that that sucker is just sort of hanging there loosewaiting to fall off...as it is mounted horizontally, at a right angle to your mobo. Damn! Now, you got to yank that sucker and see if you can get it to hold...after you do, and put in back in there...get everything screwed and plugged in, you notice again that it's moving again! Now what do you do? There must be a better way?
Re: [H] The Nightmare of 775
I said something similar first time one of mine fell off, OVER A YEAR LATTER, and only because I heard of the problem and yanked it off VERY easily. Mine jambed IN THE HOLES, instead of catching the pin lip on the edge of the hole on the opposite side. (I was lucky the holes fit so well...) I asked on another list. (Thanks Carl if you are here...) I was told to make sure EACH corner locks correctly. Diagonal first, and then the other 90* diagonal. You have to use EXCESSIVE FORCE, and YES the MB will flex and bulge and bend around the CPU. The noises will scare you to death. BAD DESIGN? (I have to stop now before I get REALLY agitated grin...) Seriously, When doing this, I pull the MB, and use ridged support DIRECTLY under (and around) the post I'm working on. There is no-way you can do this on the case stand-offs... Note: I think my CPU socket sat too high. That would be a REAL problem with this design. Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: Anthony Q. Martin Now what do you do? There must be a better way?
Re: [H] The Nightmare of 775
Well, I got sick of the pushpinsso I found me another heatsink fan for a low-profile system...it bolts on from the bottom...not really designed for the Ninja..but I cut off the pushpins and sort of adapted it to the Ninja...right now, it's in the systemnot sure I'm pleased with the unloaded cooling...I think I'll order the part from Scythe that lets me attach the Ninja without using pushpins. Here are some shots of what I have now... http://s213.photobucket.com/albums/cc11/rogerzoul/PCStuff/ On 1/19/2010 3:09 PM, Rick Glazier wrote: I said something similar first time one of mine fell off, OVER A YEAR LATTER, and only because I heard of the problem and yanked it off VERY easily. Mine jambed IN THE HOLES, instead of catching the pin lip on the edge of the hole on the opposite side. (I was lucky the holes fit so well...) I asked on another list. (Thanks Carl if you are here...) I was told to make sure EACH corner locks correctly. Diagonal first, and then the other 90* diagonal. You have to use EXCESSIVE FORCE, and YES the MB will flex and bulge and bend around the CPU. The noises will scare you to death. BAD DESIGN? (I have to stop now before I get REALLY agitated grin...) Seriously, When doing this, I pull the MB, and use ridged support DIRECTLY under (and around) the post I'm working on. There is no-way you can do this on the case stand-offs... Note: I think my CPU socket sat too high. That would be a REAL problem with this design. Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: Anthony Q. Martin Now what do you do? There must be a better way? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.150/2632 - Release Date: 01/19/10 02:34:00
Re: [H] The Nightmare of 775
Duncan, There are several hs/coolers that don't use pushpins...I'm ordering one for my Ninja.. http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/acc/048/sccsi775-775.html http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/acc/048/sccsi775_detail.html And here is what i have adapted from another cooler I got my hands on today: http://s213.photobucket.com/albums/cc11/rogerzoul/PCStuff/ No point living in fear, man! I hope Intel and AMD have learned the lesson of not releasing sucky attachment systems... On 1/19/2010 2:08 PM, DSinc wrote: Anthony, Please rant on! I too, had a tough learning curve with the current/past 775 heatsink/cooler installation. To the point that I am frightened to even try and upgrade the stock Intel hs/cooler that came with my C2D-E8400's (3). It is truly a mess! I do understand the snap-fit, quarter-turn-lock business. It took me the best part of an afternoon on the first install to get it to take! It only took me 5 tries! And lots of A5 paste/clean-up/re-paste, etc.! Yes, the next 2 installs went smoother. :) And this after past installs of Alpha's and big Thermalright coolers on AMD heater's. I guess real metal mounting hardware is just too expensive now :( My only counsel is work SLOW, RTFM's, patience, work SLOW, RTFM's again, cuss alot, work SLOW! Best, Duncan On 01/19/2010 10:44, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I was upgrading the processor in my 2+ year old 775 mobosince I wanted to overclock, I decided to use the Ninja Plus cooler I bought 2 years ago but never used since I decided I wasn't going to over clock. Well, the stock intel heatsink/fan with the pushpins is a real pain to deal with on a 775 mobo...but damn! Try to install a Ninja Plus! The fins are like supersharp rasor...trying to push the pushpins with the fins and heatsinks for the nb is impossibleso after you get all bloody you decide to turn the Ninja Plus upside down...and install the mobo from the top, onto the bottom on the Ninja, while holding the mobo upside down. AFter a while you get it on there...and the pins appear to have pushed though. YAY, you say. You turn the pushpins so they lock...then you insert the mobo into the case, and get everything screwed and plugged in then you use the system...moving it...opening the case...whatnot. Then you start noticing that some of your cores seem to run hotter than the others even under loadwhy would that be? Well, finally, you tough the humongous Ninja and notice that that sucker is just sort of hanging there loosewaiting to fall off...as it is mounted horizontally, at a right angle to your mobo. Damn! Now, you got to yank that sucker and see if you can get it to hold...after you do, and put in back in there...get everything screwed and plugged in, you notice again that it's moving again! Now what do you do? There must be a better way? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.150/2632 - Release Date: 01/19/10 02:34:00
Re: [H] The Nightmare of 775
Nice shots, but it helps to be there... grin Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: Anthony Q. Martin http://s213.photobucket.com/albums/cc11/rogerzoul/PCStuff/
Re: [H] The Nightmare of 775
Anthony, Agreed about no living in fear. But, I got my stock hs/coolers to work. And, they work surprisingly well. Shocked I am still. But, I will look at this Scythe alternative. It does look much like I've used before with Alpha and ThermalRight. Best, Duncan On 01/19/2010 17:25, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Duncan, There are several hs/coolers that don't use pushpins...I'm ordering one for my Ninja.. http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/acc/048/sccsi775-775.html http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/acc/048/sccsi775_detail.html And here is what i have adapted from another cooler I got my hands on today: http://s213.photobucket.com/albums/cc11/rogerzoul/PCStuff/ No point living in fear, man! I hope Intel and AMD have learned the lesson of not releasing sucky attachment systems... On 1/19/2010 2:08 PM, DSinc wrote: Anthony, Please rant on! I too, had a tough learning curve with the current/past 775 heatsink/cooler installation. To the point that I am frightened to even try and upgrade the stock Intel hs/cooler that came with my C2D-E8400's (3). It is truly a mess! I do understand the snap-fit, quarter-turn-lock business. It took me the best part of an afternoon on the first install to get it to take! It only took me 5 tries! And lots of A5 paste/clean-up/re-paste, etc.! Yes, the next 2 installs went smoother. :) And this after past installs of Alpha's and big Thermalright coolers on AMD heater's. I guess real metal mounting hardware is just too expensive now :( My only counsel is work SLOW, RTFM's, patience, work SLOW, RTFM's again, cuss alot, work SLOW! Best, Duncan On 01/19/2010 10:44, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I was upgrading the processor in my 2+ year old 775 mobosince I wanted to overclock, I decided to use the Ninja Plus cooler I bought 2 years ago but never used since I decided I wasn't going to over clock. Well, the stock intel heatsink/fan with the pushpins is a real pain to deal with on a 775 mobo...but damn! Try to install a Ninja Plus! The fins are like supersharp rasor...trying to push the pushpins with the fins and heatsinks for the nb is impossibleso after you get all bloody you decide to turn the Ninja Plus upside down...and install the mobo from the top, onto the bottom on the Ninja, while holding the mobo upside down. AFter a while you get it on there...and the pins appear to have pushed though. YAY, you say. You turn the pushpins so they lock...then you insert the mobo into the case, and get everything screwed and plugged in then you use the system...moving it...opening the case...whatnot. Then you start noticing that some of your cores seem to run hotter than the others even under loadwhy would that be? Well, finally, you tough the humongous Ninja and notice that that sucker is just sort of hanging there loosewaiting to fall off...as it is mounted horizontally, at a right angle to your mobo. Damn! Now, you got to yank that sucker and see if you can get it to hold...after you do, and put in back in there...get everything screwed and plugged in, you notice again that it's moving again! Now what do you do? There must be a better way? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.150/2632 - Release Date: 01/19/10 02:34:00
Re: [H] The Nightmare of 775
Amazing that they make you buy this as an option rather than shipping their coolers with it. On 1/19/2010 2:25 PM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Duncan, There are several hs/coolers that don't use pushpins...I'm ordering one for my Ninja.. http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/acc/048/sccsi775-775.html http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/acc/048/sccsi775_detail.html And here is what i have adapted from another cooler I got my hands on today: http://s213.photobucket.com/albums/cc11/rogerzoul/PCStuff/ No point living in fear, man! I hope Intel and AMD have learned the lesson of not releasing sucky attachment systems...
Re: [H] The Nightmare of 775
I bought this Ninja over 2 years ago. The same cooler today comes with the kit standard. The kit I'm buying is for those of us who got the older hardware. Same thing with the Zalman cooler I have in my office machine (which I bought 2 years go and the revision cooler comes with different hardware to support newer processors and better attachment methods). Difference there is I just wrote them asking for the parts and they are sending them to me for free. On 1/19/2010 7:24 PM, maccrawj wrote: Amazing that they make you buy this as an option rather than shipping their coolers with it. On 1/19/2010 2:25 PM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Duncan, There are several hs/coolers that don't use pushpins...I'm ordering one for my Ninja.. http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/acc/048/sccsi775-775.html http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/acc/048/sccsi775_detail.html And here is what i have adapted from another cooler I got my hands on today: http://s213.photobucket.com/albums/cc11/rogerzoul/PCStuff/ No point living in fear, man! I hope Intel and AMD have learned the lesson of not releasing sucky attachment systems... No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.151/2633 - Release Date: 01/19/10 12:49:00
Re: [H] The Nightmare of 775
I'm not a fan of the retention mechanism either. I actually will now install the HSF onto the board before placing it into the case just to guarantee that the pins are completely engaged. The Intel HSFs are bad enough, but third party implementations of the push-pin approach have all seemed to be worse still--impossible as that may seem. I won't even bother with a third party HSF unless it's bolt-through anymore. My waterblock on this system is of the bolt variety, obviously. :) -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Rick Glazier Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 2:09 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] The Nightmare of 775 I said something similar first time one of mine fell off, OVER A YEAR LATTER, and only because I heard of the problem and yanked it off VERY easily. Mine jambed IN THE HOLES, instead of catching the pin lip on the edge of the hole on the opposite side. (I was lucky the holes fit so well...) I asked on another list. (Thanks Carl if you are here...) I was told to make sure EACH corner locks correctly. Diagonal first, and then the other 90* diagonal. You have to use EXCESSIVE FORCE, and YES the MB will flex and bulge and bend around the CPU. The noises will scare you to death. BAD DESIGN? (I have to stop now before I get REALLY agitated grin...) Seriously, When doing this, I pull the MB, and use ridged support DIRECTLY under (and around) the post I'm working on. There is no-way you can do this on the case stand-offs... Note: I think my CPU socket sat too high. That would be a REAL problem with this design. Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: Anthony Q. Martin Now what do you do? There must be a better way?
