Re: [H] vista 64 and Google earth

[Neil Davidson]

I've just downloaded, installed and run it from the Google updater without
any problem (the fact it insisted on installing Chrome is a separate issue).
Using Vista Business 64bit on my laptop.

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[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight
Sent: 11 May 2009 04:32
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] vista 64 and Google earth

I am not able to install Google earth on my new build of Vista 64. 
It  is a quadcore with 8GB of RAM and a 4970 video with raptor hard 
drive so performance isn't the issue. If I try to install on line it 
just fails, and if I download and attempt to run setup it won't even 
start up... anybody know why.. it is suppose to be supported?

thanks

[H] vista 64 and Google earth

[Winterlight]

I am not able to install Google earth on my new build of Vista 64. 
It  is a quadcore with 8GB of RAM and a 4970 video with raptor hard 
drive so performance isn't the issue. If I try to install on line it 
just fails, and if I download and attempt to run setup it won't even 
start up... anybody know why.. it is suppose to be supported?


thanks

Re: [H] Vista 64 and Halo 2

[maccrawj]

LOL, or GAY-lo as I tease kid my kiddies about here when they play the old xbox 
version. After playing Crysis & Stalker level of realism I have to laugh at them 
playing 1999 Quake2 level graphics & unrealistic cheesed-out game play. =)


Obvious start, lower all graphics settings (starting 1st with lowering rez down to 
1024x768 or 800x600) to see if it improves since it could just be a combination of 
settings Halo2 doesn't like. If still it stutters or lags you got bigger problems. Be 
on the lookout for HDD thrash a common source of issues I've seen.


Bobby Heid wrote:

Hey,

 


I just loaded Halo2 on my Core I7, Vista 64, and NVidia GTX 285 system and
when moving the mouse left and right, it is really choppy feeling.  It plays
worse than on my old  p4 3.0 GHz system.

 


Has anyone else seen this? If so, were you able to correct it?

 


As a frame of reference, I have COD WAW maxed out and it does fine.

 


Thanks,

Bobby

[H] Vista 64 and Halo 2

[Bobby Heid]

Hey,

 

I just loaded Halo2 on my Core I7, Vista 64, and NVidia GTX 285 system and
when moving the mouse left and right, it is really choppy feeling.  It plays
worse than on my old  p4 3.0 GHz system.

 

Has anyone else seen this? If so, were you able to correct it?

 

As a frame of reference, I have COD WAW maxed out and it does fine.

 

Thanks,

Bobby

Re: [H] vista 64 and games

[Winterlight]

Ribbon takes a lot to get used to. I personally don't like it. I feel slower
with it.


The big problem is that you can't customize with it, you can't make 
your own ribbon or icon your macros. After years of creating Macros 
and menus to make my job go easier they are gone. It is not something 
I am going to be able to live with.




But I strongly disagree that it is change for the sake of change.


The ribbon was put there to make it easy for all to use in a windows 
live experience, where people won't personalize their apps, and MS 
can define all the parameters, all of which makes for easy support.


 MS is obsessed with cloud computing, but my guess is that they will 
loose out on that to Goggle. Personally, I don't see companies paying 
of cloud computing.



I've actually noticed something quite interesting...for users that
previously had zero or limited experience with Office, it appears to be a
massive win.


I can see that, but why cater exclusively to the lowest common 
denominator. What is smart, or innovative about that? It is a 
marketing strategy, not a innovative or even a clever strategy  
which is why they will end up losing out to Goggle, or open source.

Re: [H] vista 64 and games

[Greg Sevart]

> Agreed that's what the apps do is superior but why couldn't they give
> us couple of GUIs like they do for Windows. They must have known
> people would resist anything that  increased the learning
> curve?  Most of my clients who upgraded to XP had me set it up like
> Win 95 aka now known as Windows Classic Theme. Some wouldn't upgrade
> to XP unless I made like what their old computers look like Win95
> like they had.
> 

Classic mode has been completely removed in Win7...

Re: [H] vista 64 and games

[Greg Sevart]

> Picking them up & being productive with an app are 2 entirely
> different things. I've O2k7 & wish I never installed it. I wish I had
> installed O2k3 instead. Sure I can run the 2k7 version but I'm still
> not as productive with it as I was with 2k3 & that's after more than
> a year of using it.  IMHO that ribbon thing is a POS. MSFT has
> changed the GUI in many cases just to make the end luser feel like
> they've gotten a lot extra for their  which is utter crap. There
> is no other reason that they had to change the GUI & just because
> your user are better than average doesn't mean much in this
> discussion as they'll just hunt longer to find what they wanted. OBTW
> using that logo for the 1st pull down menu wasn't exactly necessary
> either. Change just for the sake of change is not in the end lusers
> best interest just MSFT back pocket.
> 
> 

Ribbon takes a lot to get used to. I personally don't like it. I feel slower
with it. But I strongly disagree that it is change for the sake of change.
I've actually noticed something quite interesting...for users that
previously had zero or limited experience with Office, it appears to be a
massive win. They're able to pick up and use advanced functionality much
faster and with little to no assistance compared to previous versions.
Traditional hierarchical menus are NOT user friendly. It's just a classical
situation in which grasping a new interface concept is difficult when you
have previous experience.

Further, Outlook 2007 is vastly superior to Outlook 2003--and that alone
makes the whole suite worthwhile to me. Excel 2007 handles vastly larger
data sets, and is considerably faster--another big win. Word 2007 has been
less temperamental than previous version as well.

But yes, I dislike the ribbon interface personally.

Greg

Re: [H] vista 64 and games

[Bobby Heid]

I had trouble doing some stuff in Access 2003 (installed after 2007) and
Access 2007, but it might have been the order that they were installed or
the fact that it was on Vista Business.  I just installed 2003 into a VM and
away I went.

Bobby

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Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 8:11 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] vista 64 and games


>Picking them up & being productive with an app are 2 entirely 
>different things. I've O2k7 & wish I never installed it. I wish I 
>had installed O2k3 instead.

I haven't tried it yet but will windows let you install both? I 
thought I read somewhere that it wouldn't but I'm not sure.

Re: [H] vista 64 and games

[Bobby Heid]

I like Office 2007.  I am able to find most stuff in Word and Excel faster
now than I could before.  There are a few things I still have to go to help
on though.  I am by no means an Office Power user (I am a software
developer), but I can get around as well as I need to.  I find the added
features (print to PDF among others) a welcome addition.  

I agree that the upper left button thingy kind of sucks.  I'd like to have a
menu bar.

Bobby

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[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Johnson
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 7:29 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] vista 64 and games

At 02:53 PM 3/8/2009, Greg Sevart typed:
>For technical staff, Vista and O2k7 have been a complete non-issue. Even
the
>non-technical staff (mostly operations employees) have picked up both very
>quickly, with little to no involvement from us.

Picking them up & being productive with an app are 2 entirely 
different things. I've O2k7 & wish I never installed it. I wish I had 
installed O2k3 instead. Sure I can run the 2k7 version but I'm still 
not as productive with it as I was with 2k3 & that's after more than 
a year of using it.  IMHO that ribbon thing is a POS. MSFT has 
changed the GUI in many cases just to make the end luser feel like 
they've gotten a lot extra for their  which is utter crap. There 
is no other reason that they had to change the GUI & just because 
your user are better than average doesn't mean much in this 
discussion as they'll just hunt longer to find what they wanted. OBTW 
using that logo for the 1st pull down menu wasn't exactly necessary 
either. Change just for the sake of change is not in the end lusers 
best interest just MSFT back pocket.


FWIW it's JMHO & YMMV but probably not. ;-) 

Re: [H] vista 64 and games

[Winterlight]

Picking them up & being productive with an app are 2 entirely 
different things. I've O2k7 & wish I never installed it. I wish I 
had installed O2k3 instead.


I haven't tried it yet but will windows let you install both? I 
thought I read somewhere that it wouldn't but I'm not sure.

Re: [H] vista 64 and games

[Bobby Heid]

I have just built my Vista 64 box.  In stalled Call of Duty - World at War
and it runs great!

Bobby

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Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 1:43 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] vista 64 and games

I finally got around to attempting to install a game in Vista 64 SP1. 
I bought Gears of War for Windows and when I put the DVD in it 
doesn't even appear in explorer let alone install.

Then I tried my Quake 4 DVD and while that appears in explorer I am 
immediately informed that it isn't supported.

So what does work? Or maybe it has something to do with my dual Asus 
4870s set to Crossfire??

Re: [H] vista 64 and games

[Greg Sevart]

> 
> Thanks, Greg.
> I know you are enamored with Vista 64 but I have been struggling with
> Vista 64 for months now and I keep thinking things are better and I
> am going to see all the value in it... but I haven't. One thing is
> for sure, I would not let Vista or Office 2007 anywhere near my
> company... the hassles and learning curve with Vista and Office 2007
> would cut productivity by 80 percent.
> 
>   Most people in a office environment have very limited and specific
> computer skills and now you want them to forget all that and start
> over? I am only managing because I use XP PRO with Office 2003 in a
> VM to get my work done.
> 

I know that my user base is fairly atypical since it is a software company,
but I actually have a fair number of users upset with us because we WON'T do
a mass deployment of Vista and Office 2007. We're doing deployment by
attrition...new users and machine rebuilds only for Vista, Office 2007 on
new machines/rebuilds and by request/need.

For technical staff, Vista and O2k7 have been a complete non-issue. Even the
non-technical staff (mostly operations employees) have picked up both very
quickly, with little to no involvement from us.

By the way, my brother was able to install Quake 4 on his Vista64
(technically, Server 2008 x64, same thing) workstation. He did say that
autoplay crashed, but setup.exe works fine.

Greg

Re: [H] vista 64 and games

[Winterlight]

At 10:59 AM 3/8/2009, you wrote:

Don't play games so I can't help you much there, but the funny thing is that
most game "incompatibilities" with Vista64 aren't due to the game itself,
but the crummy anti-copying/DRM infections publishers feel they must
include.


Thanks, Greg.
I know you are enamored with Vista 64 but I have been struggling with 
Vista 64 for months now and I keep thinking things are better and I 
am going to see all the value in it... but I haven't. One thing is 
for sure, I would not let Vista or Office 2007 anywhere near my 
company... the hassles and learning curve with Vista and Office 2007 
would cut productivity by 80 percent.


 Most people in a office environment have very limited and specific 
computer skills and now you want them to forget all that and start 
over? I am only managing because I use XP PRO with Office 2003 in a 
VM to get my work done.


From a user point of view the only thing that I really like is the 
8GB of RAM and I could make a long list of the things I don't like. I 
think MS was so use to the my way or the highway upgrade, and the we 
will drag everyone along as we continue to  add new to PC users on a 
massive scale,... that it was/ is in a state of shock that so many 
disklike the programs. But the real surprise must of been the lack of 
new user base to pull the old user base into their idea of the 
future. The pie isn't getting bigger in the way it use to be and MS 
finds itself trying to appease it's existing user base.


m 

Re: [H] vista 64 and games

[Greg Sevart]

Don't play games so I can't help you much there, but the funny thing is that
most game "incompatibilities" with Vista64 aren't due to the game itself,
but the crummy anti-copying/DRM infections publishers feel they must
include.


That being said, your best resource for getting game-specific information
can be found here:
http://www.vistax64.com/gaming/



> -Original Message-
> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
> boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight
> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 12:43 PM
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: [H] vista 64 and games
> 
> I finally got around to attempting to install a game in Vista 64 SP1.
> I bought Gears of War for Windows and when I put the DVD in it
> doesn't even appear in explorer let alone install.
> 
> Then I tried my Quake 4 DVD and while that appears in explorer I am
> immediately informed that it isn't supported.
> 
> So what does work? Or maybe it has something to do with my dual Asus
> 4870s set to Crossfire??

[H] vista 64 and games

[Winterlight]

I finally got around to attempting to install a game in Vista 64 SP1. 
I bought Gears of War for Windows and when I put the DVD in it 
doesn't even appear in explorer let alone install.


Then I tried my Quake 4 DVD and while that appears in explorer I am 
immediately informed that it isn't supported.


So what does work? Or maybe it has something to do with my dual Asus 
4870s set to Crossfire??

Re: [H] Vista 64 question

[Christopher Fisk]

On Sun, 14 Dec 2008, Scott Sipe wrote:

I have a dell with a Q6600 processor and 2gb ram. It has 32-bit Vista Home 
Premium.


Two questions:

1) Do I gain anything by installing Vista 64-bit on it? Is there an actual 
performance difference?


Not sure, I went 64 just so I could upgrade memory whenever I felt like it 
instead of upgrading to 64 then upgrading.




2) Can I use my current Vista Home Premium license number to install the 
64-bit version?


Mine worked on both 32 and 64, retail key.



Christopher Fisk

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Re: [H] Vista 64 question

[Greg Sevart]

> 
> I have a dell with a Q6600 processor and 2gb ram. It has 32-bit Vista
> Home Premium.
> 
> Two questions:
> 
> 1) Do I gain anything by installing Vista 64-bit on it? Is there an
> actual performance difference?

No. There are some applications that benefit from the extra general purpose
registers available with the x86-64 instruction set, but in general, you
should expect performance to be fairly identical. While I am a big 64-bit
advocate, I generally won't install it on systems with <4GB RAM. However,
given that you could upgrade to 4 or 6GB for under $50...

> 
> 2) Can I use my current Vista Home Premium license number to install
> the 64-bit version?
> 

It depends. With retail versions, you can request easily alternate media
from Microsoft for the other edition. Since you ordered from Dell (which is
still an operating business), as per Microsoft, you would have to contact
them.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/326246

Supposedly, some have been able to get replacement media regardless of the
actual OEM by using the region-specific links under the section "Media
replacement for end-users of system builders' computers".

Greg

[H] Vista 64 question

[Scott Sipe]

I have a dell with a Q6600 processor and 2gb ram. It has 32-bit Vista  
Home Premium.


Two questions:

1) Do I gain anything by installing Vista 64-bit on it? Is there an  
actual performance difference?


2) Can I use my current Vista Home Premium license number to install  
the 64-bit version?


Thanks,
Scott

Re: [H] Vista 64 issues and questions

[Christopher Fisk]

On Thu, 4 Dec 2008, Winterlight wrote:


In the past I always have set up my drive
C = Primary 2GB FAT32 Boot.. where I have the boot files and MBR
then I have a logical drive with separate partitions that typically dual boot
XP1 on D
XP2 on C

I tried this as a trial run on my new setup with C as boot drive, D as Vista 
64 and E as  a new install clean XPSP3. I installed XP first and then Vista 
64. Vista boot loader sees XP but when it starts to load XP but then  it just 
does a spontaneous reboot.


Anybody know why?

What are Vista 64 using for anti virus, anti malware, and firewall? Is Vista's 
firewall and Defender good enough to do the job here? What about anti virus?


Brian, I began to have the shutdown issue right after I installed VMWare 
Workstation.


I've been happy with Avast! for Vista64.  I never bother with the built in 
firewall since I just run Vista for gaming (WoW, TF2, other steam games) 
and I have a Firewall on my network connection.




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Re: [H] Vista 64 issues and questions

[Neil Davidson]

For Anti Virus and all the other gubbins, pretty much everything for Vista
is x64 compatible. Especially now that Vista has been out for so long.

XP64 was a bit of a waste of time, but Vista x64 can cope with pretty much
everything.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Winterlight
Sent: 04 December 2008 19:24
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] Vista 64 issues and questions

In the past I always have set up my drive
C = Primary 2GB FAT32 Boot.. where I have the boot files and MBR
then I have a logical drive with separate partitions that typically dual
boot
XP1 on D
XP2 on C

I tried this as a trial run on my new setup with C as boot drive, D 
as Vista 64 and E as  a new install clean XPSP3. I installed XP first 
and then Vista 64. Vista boot loader sees XP but when it starts to 
load XP but then  it just does a spontaneous reboot.

Anybody know why?

What are Vista 64 using for anti virus, anti malware, and firewall? 
Is Vista's firewall and Defender good enough to do the job here? What 
about anti virus?

Brian, I began to have the shutdown issue right after I installed 
VMWare Workstation.

m

[H] Vista 64 issues and questions

[Winterlight]

In the past I always have set up my drive
C = Primary 2GB FAT32 Boot.. where I have the boot files and MBR
then I have a logical drive with separate partitions that typically dual boot
XP1 on D
XP2 on C

I tried this as a trial run on my new setup with C as boot drive, D 
as Vista 64 and E as  a new install clean XPSP3. I installed XP first 
and then Vista 64. Vista boot loader sees XP but when it starts to 
load XP but then  it just does a spontaneous reboot.


Anybody know why?

What are Vista 64 using for anti virus, anti malware, and firewall? 
Is Vista's firewall and Defender good enough to do the job here? What 
about anti virus?


Brian, I began to have the shutdown issue right after I installed 
VMWare Workstation.


m

Re: [H] Vista 64 partitioner

[Winterlight]

At 11:37 AM 11/12/2008, you wrote:

Have you tried shrinking the existing partition within Disk Management? You
could then create a new one. XP's install is going to jack your BCD though,
so you'll have to fix it after the installation. Not sure how, but it should
be possible. Note that every time you boot XP, it will also wipe out all
system restore points, etc. within Vista, since it doesn't understand the
new VSS mechanism.


I don't use restore points, if I am worried about something I image 
with Acronis. I wouldn't even be thinking twice about using PM except 
it is a brand new laptop.


Your right about the boot screenI don't know why MS changed it in 
the first place. the old way is easy to deal with. But  I may have to 
use a boot manager to do this.


m




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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Winterlight
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:28 AM
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Vista 64 partitioner
>
> Well, Partition Magic 9 in DOS does support VISTA, I have used it
> with Vista 32.Of course I am not suggesting running it in Vista.
>
> After all, a NTFS drive is a NTFS drive. I just don't have much
> experience with Vista 64 although I don't see why it wouldn't work as
> well.
>
> And I want to resize and create  a new partition to install XP32 on.
>
> So what does work with Vista 64
>
> At 06:03 AM 11/12/2008, you wrote:
> >Depending on what you're trying to accomplish, you may be able to do
> what
> >you're looking for without any third party tools. Basic partition
> shrinking
> >and extension capabilities are built in to Disk Management in Vista.
> It does
> >have some limitations (it won't shuffle around data to allow you to
> shrink
> >more, so you may need to do a defrag to consolidate data).
> >
> >And no, don't use any software to re-partition unless it explicitly
> supports
> >Vista.
> >
> >Greg

Re: [H] Vista 64 partitioner

[Greg Sevart]

Have you tried shrinking the existing partition within Disk Management? You
could then create a new one. XP's install is going to jack your BCD though,
so you'll have to fix it after the installation. Not sure how, but it should
be possible. Note that every time you boot XP, it will also wipe out all
system restore points, etc. within Vista, since it doesn't understand the
new VSS mechanism.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Winterlight
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:28 AM
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Vista 64 partitioner
> 
> Well, Partition Magic 9 in DOS does support VISTA, I have used it
> with Vista 32.Of course I am not suggesting running it in Vista.
> 
> After all, a NTFS drive is a NTFS drive. I just don't have much
> experience with Vista 64 although I don't see why it wouldn't work as
> well.
> 
> And I want to resize and create  a new partition to install XP32 on.
> 
> So what does work with Vista 64
> 
> At 06:03 AM 11/12/2008, you wrote:
> >Depending on what you're trying to accomplish, you may be able to do
> what
> >you're looking for without any third party tools. Basic partition
> shrinking
> >and extension capabilities are built in to Disk Management in Vista.
> It does
> >have some limitations (it won't shuffle around data to allow you to
> shrink
> >more, so you may need to do a defrag to consolidate data).
> >
> >And no, don't use any software to re-partition unless it explicitly
> supports
> >Vista.
> >
> >Greg

Re: [H] Vista 64 partitioner

[Winterlight]

Well, Partition Magic 9 in DOS does support VISTA, I have used it 
with Vista 32.Of course I am not suggesting running it in Vista.


After all, a NTFS drive is a NTFS drive. I just don't have much 
experience with Vista 64 although I don't see why it wouldn't work as well.


And I want to resize and create  a new partition to install XP32 on.

So what does work with Vista 64

At 06:03 AM 11/12/2008, you wrote:

Depending on what you're trying to accomplish, you may be able to do what
you're looking for without any third party tools. Basic partition shrinking
and extension capabilities are built in to Disk Management in Vista. It does
have some limitations (it won't shuffle around data to allow you to shrink
more, so you may need to do a defrag to consolidate data).

And no, don't use any software to re-partition unless it explicitly supports
Vista.

Greg

Re: [H] Vista 64 partitioner

[Greg Sevart]

Depending on what you're trying to accomplish, you may be able to do what
you're looking for without any third party tools. Basic partition shrinking
and extension capabilities are built in to Disk Management in Vista. It does
have some limitations (it won't shuffle around data to allow you to shrink
more, so you may need to do a defrag to consolidate data).

And no, don't use any software to re-partition unless it explicitly supports
Vista.

Greg

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Winterlight
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 11:30 PM
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: [H] Vista 64 partitioner
> 
> I have a new laptop that came with Vista 64. My version of Acronis
> Disk Director doesn't support Vista 64. is there any reason why I
> can't just boot to DOS and re partition using Partition Magic for DOS?

Re: [H] Vista 64 partitioner

[Jason.Tozer]

GParted or almost any of the LiveCD linux distros out there.

Jason Tozer


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
Sent: 12 November 2008 13:36
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Vista 64 partitioner

I had a really bad episode with Partition Magic a couple years ago where
it
FUBARd a partition and I stopped using it.  I've been using Acronis
since
and really like it.  If you can't use Acronis, I second Ben's
recommendation
for Gparted.

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On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:11 AM, Ben Ruset <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I am a big fan of the gparted CD. I've used it successfully on many
Red Hat
> boxes.
>
>
> maccrawj wrote:
>
>> Depending on the version of PM you should not be using it period.
Assuming
>> your's is not one of the versions that screws up, I'd imagine it does
not
>> matter what the OS is as long as it supports the filesystem type &
version.
>>
>> Doesn't ADD allow you to make a boot cd? Could have sworn I have a TI
&
>> ADD on the same boot cd.
>>
>> There are also OSS live cd's to do the same:
>>
>> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
>>
>
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Re: [H] Vista 64 partitioner

[Brian Weeden]

I had a really bad episode with Partition Magic a couple years ago where it
FUBARd a partition and I stopped using it.  I've been using Acronis since
and really like it.  If you can't use Acronis, I second Ben's recommendation
for Gparted.

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On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:11 AM, Ben Ruset <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am a big fan of the gparted CD. I've used it successfully on many Red Hat
> boxes.
>
>
> maccrawj wrote:
>
>> Depending on the version of PM you should not be using it period. Assuming
>> your's is not one of the versions that screws up, I'd imagine it does not
>> matter what the OS is as long as it supports the filesystem type & version.
>>
>> Doesn't ADD allow you to make a boot cd? Could have sworn I have a TI &
>> ADD on the same boot cd.
>>
>> There are also OSS live cd's to do the same:
>>
>> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
>>
>
>

Re: [H] Vista 64 partitioner

[Ben Ruset]

I am a big fan of the gparted CD. I've used it successfully on many Red 
Hat boxes.


maccrawj wrote:
Depending on the version of PM you should not be using it period. 
Assuming your's is not one of the versions that screws up, I'd imagine 
it does not matter what the OS is as long as it supports the filesystem 
type & version.


Doesn't ADD allow you to make a boot cd? Could have sworn I have a TI & 
ADD on the same boot cd.


There are also OSS live cd's to do the same:

http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php

Re: [H] Vista 64 partitioner

[maccrawj]

Depending on the version of PM you should not be using it period. Assuming your's is 
not one of the versions that screws up, I'd imagine it does not matter what the OS is 
as long as it supports the filesystem type & version.


Doesn't ADD allow you to make a boot cd? Could have sworn I have a TI & ADD on the 
same boot cd.


There are also OSS live cd's to do the same:

http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php

Winterlight wrote:
I have a new laptop that came with Vista 64. My version of Acronis Disk 
Director doesn't support Vista 64. is there any reason why I can't just 
boot to DOS and re partition using Partition Magic for DOS?

[H] Vista 64 partitioner

[Winterlight]

I have a new laptop that came with Vista 64. My version of Acronis 
Disk Director doesn't support Vista 64. is there any reason why I 
can't just boot to DOS and re partition using Partition Magic for DOS?

Re: [H] Vista 64

[The Beave]

I have Vista 64 with my Retail copy of Vista.  It came with both versions.

Regards,

Tim "The Beave" Lider
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Winterlight
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 7:17 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] Vista 64

Is Vista 64 on all Retail DVDs, or is a separate purchase? If it is 
on the same DVD does it give you a choice when you start to install?

Re: [H] Vista 64

[Winterlight]

Thanks Greg.

At 07:31 PM 6/28/2008, you wrote:

X86 and x64 editions are on separate discs. With Retail non-Ultimate
versions, for a small S&H fee, you can request the other media from what you
bought (ie: if you bought Business x86, you can get Business x64--they use
the same keys). Ultimate edition retail box has both x86 and x64 DVDs.

Order Vista alternate media:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/1033/ordermedia/default.mspx


OEM versions, in contrast, cannot be interchanged. What you bought is all
you're entitled to.

Greg

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Winterlight
> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 9:17 PM
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: [H] Vista 64
>
> Is Vista 64 on all Retail DVDs, or is a separate purchase? If it is
> on the same DVD does it give you a choice when you start to install?

Re: [H] Vista 64

[Greg Sevart]

X86 and x64 editions are on separate discs. With Retail non-Ultimate
versions, for a small S&H fee, you can request the other media from what you
bought (ie: if you bought Business x86, you can get Business x64--they use
the same keys). Ultimate edition retail box has both x86 and x64 DVDs.

Order Vista alternate media:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/1033/ordermedia/default.mspx


OEM versions, in contrast, cannot be interchanged. What you bought is all
you're entitled to.

Greg

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Winterlight
> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 9:17 PM
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: [H] Vista 64
> 
> Is Vista 64 on all Retail DVDs, or is a separate purchase? If it is
> on the same DVD does it give you a choice when you start to install?

[H] Vista 64

[Winterlight]

Is Vista 64 on all Retail DVDs, or is a separate purchase? If it is 
on the same DVD does it give you a choice when you start to install?

Re: [H] Vista 64 and AIW

[Julian Zottl]

lol, now that IS funny...
_
Julian Zottl
CTO, Radiant Network Technology, LLC
Getting ahead in the tech sector isn't about kissing butt ... you gotta sniff 
the right packets



-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:57:07 + GMT

>Nope that's the iso name ms has for free download right now
>
>
>Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless
>
>-Original Message-
>From: "Julian Zottl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:00:14 
>To:The Hardware List 
>Subject: Re: [H] Vista 64 and AIW
>
>Wow, that really looks like the listing off a warez site... not that I would 
>know what one looks like...
>haha
>
>_
>Julian Zottl
>CTO, Radiant Network Technology, LLC
>Getting ahead in the tech sector isn't about kissing butt ... you gotta sniff 
>the right packets
>
>
>
>-- Original Message --
>From: Winterlight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: The Hardware List 
>Date:  Sun, 11 Jun 2006 23:31:51 -0700
>
>>Does anybody know if Vista beta 64 =
>>
>>vista_5384.4.060518-1455_winmain_beta2_x64fre_client-LB2CxFRE_EN_
>>
>>has native media center drivers for an All in Wonder 9600 PRO?
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [H] Vista 64 and AIW

[Chris Reeves]

Nope that's the iso name ms has for free download right now


Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless

-Original Message-
From: "Julian Zottl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:00:14 
To:The Hardware List 
Subject: Re: [H] Vista 64 and AIW

Wow, that really looks like the listing off a warez site... not that I would 
know what one looks like...
haha

_
Julian Zottl
CTO, Radiant Network Technology, LLC
Getting ahead in the tech sector isn't about kissing butt ... you gotta sniff 
the right packets



-- Original Message --
From: Winterlight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Hardware List 
Date:  Sun, 11 Jun 2006 23:31:51 -0700

>Does anybody know if Vista beta 64 =
>
>vista_5384.4.060518-1455_winmain_beta2_x64fre_client-LB2CxFRE_EN_
>
>has native media center drivers for an All in Wonder 9600 PRO?
>
>

Re: [H] Vista 64 and AIW

[Julian Zottl]

Wow, that really looks like the listing off a warez site... not that I would 
know what one looks like...
haha

_
Julian Zottl
CTO, Radiant Network Technology, LLC
Getting ahead in the tech sector isn't about kissing butt ... you gotta sniff 
the right packets



-- Original Message --
From: Winterlight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Hardware List 
Date:  Sun, 11 Jun 2006 23:31:51 -0700

>Does anybody know if Vista beta 64 =
>
>vista_5384.4.060518-1455_winmain_beta2_x64fre_client-LB2CxFRE_EN_
>
>has native media center drivers for an All in Wonder 9600 PRO?
>
>

[H] Vista 64 and AIW

[Winterlight]

Does anybody know if Vista beta 64 =

vista_5384.4.060518-1455_winmain_beta2_x64fre_client-LB2CxFRE_EN_

has native media center drivers for an All in Wonder 9600 PRO?