Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
Ivan Lazar Miljenovic wrote: Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com writes: http://i.imgur.com/kFqP3.png Didn't know about CSS's rgba to describe transparency. Very useful. It's a vely nice!! (in a Borat voice) +1. Both for the design, and for the content. -- Live well, ~wren ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
Hi everyone, thanks for your efforts to improve the site! To be honest, I don't really like the current design, so here are some suggestions that might help: * I find the color scheme a bit bleak; I'd prefer something more colorful. * Some graphics might improve the overall style. * We need to be more consistent in the use of fonts: the current design has text in almost all combinations of blue, black, orange, bold, italic, and normal, and at least 3 different font sizes. This makes the page complex and somewhat disorganized. * I realized that this is just a mock-up but there seems to be a lot of duplication in the content (e.g., multiple links to the Haskell platform, online interpreter, hackage, GHC). Avoiding unnecessary duplication might lead to a simpler and more organized page. * It would be nice if the page layout provided more visual cues to separate the bits of the page that are likely to change a lot (e.g., news events) from the more static bits (e.g., downloads, documentation, community resources, etc.). Perhaps the more static bits could be factored into some kind of menu? Hope that this helps, -Iavor On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Antoine Latter aslat...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: Ok, last revision for tonight: http://i.imgur.com/d3ARq.png I'm no web design guru, but this is definitely better than what we have now. Good job on it. Antoine ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
On 7 Apr 2010, at 02:53, Ben Millwood wrote: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:22 AM, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: I have set a maximum width on purpose so that it doesn't degrade too badly on big screens. I've never really trusted this argument - it's not required that the browser window occupy the entire screen, so why not let the user choose how wide they want their text? Unfortunately, because the majority operating system has such bad window management that all users do make their windows take up the entire screen. :( Bob___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
Doesn't seem right. IMHO, the necessity of making windows NOT fullscreen is an indication of bad design. Thomas Davie wrote: On 7 Apr 2010, at 02:53, Ben Millwood wrote: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:22 AM, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: I have set a maximum width on purpose so that it doesn't degrade too badly on big screens. I've never really trusted this argument - it's not required that the browser window occupy the entire screen, so why not let the user choose how wide they want their text? Unfortunately, because the majority operating system has such bad window management that all users do make their windows take up the entire screen. :( Bob___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
Thomas Schilling wrote: Here's a matching Wiki style: http://i.imgur.com/XkuzH.png I like your designs (I liked the blue and orange version, but all the colour schemes seem fine). For the wiki design, it would be good to re-think and cull those links at the top of the page. For example, I don't think that random page needs to be in the top bar. With several other links it's not clear to me what they do. Perhaps it's just me, but wiki community and special pages doesn't suggest what they do or why I would want to click them, and related changes also puzzles me as to what it might be. The recent changes and page history links seem redundant. The Haskell wiki has some useful content but the pages are cluttered with these links. Simply removing a few of these links (while we're redesigning the site anyway) would enhance the pages' usability. Thanks, Neil. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:12, Neil Brown nc...@kent.ac.uk wrote: For the wiki design, it would be good to re-think and cull those links at the top of the page. For example, I don't think that random page needs to be in the top bar. With several other links it's not clear to me what they do. Perhaps it's just me, but wiki community and special pages doesn't suggest what they do or why I would want to click them, and related changes also puzzles me as to what it might be. The recent changes and page history links seem redundant. Special pages is rather useful for administrators, but not *that* useful for regular users I guess. Would it be possible to put it easily accessible for administrators (people who are allowed to add users), but hide it away a bit for non-admins? /M -- Magnus Therning(OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus＠therning．org Jabber: magnus＠therning．org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
Am Mittwoch 07 April 2010 04:09:17 schrieb Gregory Crosswhite: While I think that (d) is a valid concern, it is also important not to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. If we agree that the proposed web site layout is sufficiently better than the current one and is good enough aesthetically, then I think we should go ahead and switch to the new layout and *then* start thinking about how we could make it Good plan. *completely amazing* like the Ruby web site, www.ruby-lang.org ? Sure, that looks pretty good, but completely amazing? because if we demand completely amazing for our *first* try then I fear that all that will happen is that nothing will change because the bar will have been set too high. Cheers, Greg ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
Yup, I have to agree. The Ruby web site certainly is the best web site for a programming language that I've come across, but it's certainly not amazing. I like the python documentation design, but their home page is a bit dull. Anyway, here's another variation, this time with more colour: http://i.imgur.com/Lj3xM.png The image is about 80k (while the website alone is 10k) so I hope there won't be any bandwidth issues. Regarding the particular contents: (a) I won't post another version for every tiny wibble. You know, you can actually post text via email (yes, really!) so if anyone has improvements for how the sections should look like, post the suggested alternative contents on this list. (b) A little redundancy is no problem at all. I try to follow the inverted pyramid model: put all the important information at the top, and add more details below. If that leads to a small amount of duplication so be it. (c) As mentioned before, we don't want a perfect home page, we simply want a better one. Incremental improvements can be made later on. (d) Who actually *can* update the homepage? Ian, Ross, Malcolm, Simon M? (e) I don't have an iPhone, *Droid, or iPad, so I'd need some help testing on any of those. (f) The design is not fixed width, and most sizes are specified in terms of font size or percentages. I merely added a max-width restriction so that it still looks decent on maximised screens. I tried to remove it, but that just doesn't look good anymore. On 7 April 2010 14:19, Daniel Fischer daniel.is.fisc...@web.de wrote: Am Mittwoch 07 April 2010 04:09:17 schrieb Gregory Crosswhite: While I think that (d) is a valid concern, it is also important not to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. If we agree that the proposed web site layout is sufficiently better than the current one and is good enough aesthetically, then I think we should go ahead and switch to the new layout and *then* start thinking about how we could make it Good plan. *completely amazing* like the Ruby web site, www.ruby-lang.org ? Sure, that looks pretty good, but completely amazing? because if we demand completely amazing for our *first* try then I fear that all that will happen is that nothing will change because the bar will have been set too high. Cheers, Greg ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- Push the envelope. Watch it bend. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
Am Mittwoch 07 April 2010 18:53:28 schrieb Thomas Schilling: Yup, I have to agree. The Ruby web site certainly is the best web site for a programming language that I've come across, but it's certainly not amazing. I like the python documentation design, but their home page is a bit dull. Agreed. But I prefer dull over too flashy, so don't exaggerate. Anyway, here's another variation, this time with more colour: http://i.imgur.com/Lj3xM.png Not bad, but the black background for the Haskell is an advanced ... blurb is ugly. Having the text directly on the background image would be better, I think. (b) A little redundancy is no problem at all. I try to follow the inverted pyramid model: put all the important information at the top, and add more details below. If that leads to a small amount of duplication so be it. +1 A little redundancy can be a great help sometimes, just keep an eye on the amount of duplication. (c) As mentioned before, we don't want a perfect home page, we simply want a better one. Incremental improvements can be made later on. Again: Aye, very much so. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
Ooo, I really like this revision; it is a major improvement in your design! I particularly like the picture you chose for the top, and the new way that you have laid out all of the boxes and made the bottom right box a different shade so that it is easier to distinguish it as a different column. Also, I concur with your use of the inverted pyramid model, even if it comes at the expense of a little redundancy. My only quibble is that I don't like the fact that the summary text at the top has a font background color, so that there are in essence several boxes around the text of different sizes and with space in between the lines. I recognize that the purpose of the font background was to help the text contrast with the picture behind it, but it would be nicer if there were a better solution, such as by putting a box around all of the text and then filling that with color (so there aren't boxes of different sizes containing the text and empty spaces between the lines), or by putting a translucent box around the text so that we can still see the background but it's faded a bit so that the text still shows up. Cheers, Greg On Apr 7, 2010, at 9:53 AM, Thomas Schilling wrote: Yup, I have to agree. The Ruby web site certainly is the best web site for a programming language that I've come across, but it's certainly not amazing. I like the python documentation design, but their home page is a bit dull. Anyway, here's another variation, this time with more colour: http://i.imgur.com/Lj3xM.png The image is about 80k (while the website alone is 10k) so I hope there won't be any bandwidth issues. Regarding the particular contents: (a) I won't post another version for every tiny wibble. You know, you can actually post text via email (yes, really!) so if anyone has improvements for how the sections should look like, post the suggested alternative contents on this list. (b) A little redundancy is no problem at all. I try to follow the inverted pyramid model: put all the important information at the top, and add more details below. If that leads to a small amount of duplication so be it. (c) As mentioned before, we don't want a perfect home page, we simply want a better one. Incremental improvements can be made later on. (d) Who actually *can* update the homepage? Ian, Ross, Malcolm, Simon M? (e) I don't have an iPhone, *Droid, or iPad, so I'd need some help testing on any of those. (f) The design is not fixed width, and most sizes are specified in terms of font size or percentages. I merely added a max-width restriction so that it still looks decent on maximised screens. I tried to remove it, but that just doesn't look good anymore. On 7 April 2010 14:19, Daniel Fischer daniel.is.fisc...@web.de wrote: Am Mittwoch 07 April 2010 04:09:17 schrieb Gregory Crosswhite: While I think that (d) is a valid concern, it is also important not to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. If we agree that the proposed web site layout is sufficiently better than the current one and is good enough aesthetically, then I think we should go ahead and switch to the new layout and *then* start thinking about how we could make it Good plan. *completely amazing* like the Ruby web site, www.ruby-lang.org ? Sure, that looks pretty good, but completely amazing? because if we demand completely amazing for our *first* try then I fear that all that will happen is that nothing will change because the bar will have been set too high. Cheers, Greg ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- Push the envelope. Watch it bend. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
On 4/7/10 9:53 AM, Thomas Schilling wrote: Yup, I have to agree. The Ruby web site certainly is the best web site for a programming language that I've come across, but it's certainly not amazing. I like the python documentation design, but their home page is a bit dull. Anyway, here's another variation, this time with more colour: http://i.imgur.com/Lj3xM.png This is not as simple as your first which I responded to, but it's rather nice! Quibbles, I would try to: - make the brown image full width, like the page header - re-establish the clear top and bottom division - lose or deemphasize as much as possible the blue background of the blurb text - I know why it's there but it's way ugly at present - lose the italics in the blurb text, or make it all italic - bring back the serif font ? ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
http://i.imgur.com/kFqP3.png Didn't know about CSS's rgba to describe transparency. Very useful. On 7 April 2010 18:19, Gregory Crosswhite gcr...@phys.washington.edu wrote: Ooo, I really like this revision; it is a major improvement in your design! I particularly like the picture you chose for the top, and the new way that you have laid out all of the boxes and made the bottom right box a different shade so that it is easier to distinguish it as a different column. Also, I concur with your use of the inverted pyramid model, even if it comes at the expense of a little redundancy. My only quibble is that I don't like the fact that the summary text at the top has a font background color, so that there are in essence several boxes around the text of different sizes and with space in between the lines. I recognize that the purpose of the font background was to help the text contrast with the picture behind it, but it would be nicer if there were a better solution, such as by putting a box around all of the text and then filling that with color (so there aren't boxes of different sizes containing the text and empty spaces between the lines), or by putting a translucent box around the text so that we can still see the background but it's faded a bit so that the text still shows up. Cheers, Greg On Apr 7, 2010, at 9:53 AM, Thomas Schilling wrote: Yup, I have to agree. The Ruby web site certainly is the best web site for a programming language that I've come across, but it's certainly not amazing. I like the python documentation design, but their home page is a bit dull. Anyway, here's another variation, this time with more colour: http://i.imgur.com/Lj3xM.png The image is about 80k (while the website alone is 10k) so I hope there won't be any bandwidth issues. Regarding the particular contents: (a) I won't post another version for every tiny wibble. You know, you can actually post text via email (yes, really!) so if anyone has improvements for how the sections should look like, post the suggested alternative contents on this list. (b) A little redundancy is no problem at all. I try to follow the inverted pyramid model: put all the important information at the top, and add more details below. If that leads to a small amount of duplication so be it. (c) As mentioned before, we don't want a perfect home page, we simply want a better one. Incremental improvements can be made later on. (d) Who actually *can* update the homepage? Ian, Ross, Malcolm, Simon M? (e) I don't have an iPhone, *Droid, or iPad, so I'd need some help testing on any of those. (f) The design is not fixed width, and most sizes are specified in terms of font size or percentages. I merely added a max-width restriction so that it still looks decent on maximised screens. I tried to remove it, but that just doesn't look good anymore. On 7 April 2010 14:19, Daniel Fischer daniel.is.fisc...@web.de wrote: Am Mittwoch 07 April 2010 04:09:17 schrieb Gregory Crosswhite: While I think that (d) is a valid concern, it is also important not to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. If we agree that the proposed web site layout is sufficiently better than the current one and is good enough aesthetically, then I think we should go ahead and switch to the new layout and *then* start thinking about how we could make it Good plan. *completely amazing* like the Ruby web site, www.ruby-lang.org ? Sure, that looks pretty good, but completely amazing? because if we demand completely amazing for our *first* try then I fear that all that will happen is that nothing will change because the bar will have been set too high. Cheers, Greg ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- Push the envelope. Watch it bend. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- Push the envelope. Watch it bend. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
Hot. On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.comwrote: http://i.imgur.com/kFqP3.png Didn't know about CSS's rgba to describe transparency. Very useful. On 7 April 2010 18:19, Gregory Crosswhite gcr...@phys.washington.edu wrote: Ooo, I really like this revision; it is a major improvement in your design! I particularly like the picture you chose for the top, and the new way that you have laid out all of the boxes and made the bottom right box a different shade so that it is easier to distinguish it as a different column. Also, I concur with your use of the inverted pyramid model, even if it comes at the expense of a little redundancy. My only quibble is that I don't like the fact that the summary text at the top has a font background color, so that there are in essence several boxes around the text of different sizes and with space in between the lines. I recognize that the purpose of the font background was to help the text contrast with the picture behind it, but it would be nicer if there were a better solution, such as by putting a box around all of the text and then filling that with color (so there aren't boxes of different sizes containing the text and empty spaces between the lines), or by putting a translucent box around the text so that we can still see the background but it's faded a bit so that the text still shows up. Cheers, Greg On Apr 7, 2010, at 9:53 AM, Thomas Schilling wrote: Yup, I have to agree. The Ruby web site certainly is the best web site for a programming language that I've come across, but it's certainly not amazing. I like the python documentation design, but their home page is a bit dull. Anyway, here's another variation, this time with more colour: http://i.imgur.com/Lj3xM.png The image is about 80k (while the website alone is 10k) so I hope there won't be any bandwidth issues. Regarding the particular contents: (a) I won't post another version for every tiny wibble. You know, you can actually post text via email (yes, really!) so if anyone has improvements for how the sections should look like, post the suggested alternative contents on this list. (b) A little redundancy is no problem at all. I try to follow the inverted pyramid model: put all the important information at the top, and add more details below. If that leads to a small amount of duplication so be it. (c) As mentioned before, we don't want a perfect home page, we simply want a better one. Incremental improvements can be made later on. (d) Who actually *can* update the homepage? Ian, Ross, Malcolm, Simon M? (e) I don't have an iPhone, *Droid, or iPad, so I'd need some help testing on any of those. (f) The design is not fixed width, and most sizes are specified in terms of font size or percentages. I merely added a max-width restriction so that it still looks decent on maximised screens. I tried to remove it, but that just doesn't look good anymore. On 7 April 2010 14:19, Daniel Fischer daniel.is.fisc...@web.de wrote: Am Mittwoch 07 April 2010 04:09:17 schrieb Gregory Crosswhite: While I think that (d) is a valid concern, it is also important not to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. If we agree that the proposed web site layout is sufficiently better than the current one and is good enough aesthetically, then I think we should go ahead and switch to the new layout and *then* start thinking about how we could make it Good plan. *completely amazing* like the Ruby web site, www.ruby-lang.org ? Sure, that looks pretty good, but completely amazing? because if we demand completely amazing for our *first* try then I fear that all that will happen is that nothing will change because the bar will have been set too high. Cheers, Greg ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- Push the envelope. Watch it bend. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- Push the envelope. Watch it bend. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
Ivan Miljenovic ivan.miljenovic at gmail.com writes: I hate websites/blogs/etc. that only take up a fraction of the screen width +1 Although this battle seems lost. Web 2.0 is actually a synonym for useless whitespace right and left. J.W. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
Nicely done! On Apr 7, 2010, at 11:35 AM, Thomas Schilling wrote: http://i.imgur.com/kFqP3.png Didn't know about CSS's rgba to describe transparency. Very useful. On 7 April 2010 18:19, Gregory Crosswhite gcr...@phys.washington.edu wrote: Ooo, I really like this revision; it is a major improvement in your design! I particularly like the picture you chose for the top, and the new way that you have laid out all of the boxes and made the bottom right box a different shade so that it is easier to distinguish it as a different column. Also, I concur with your use of the inverted pyramid model, even if it comes at the expense of a little redundancy. My only quibble is that I don't like the fact that the summary text at the top has a font background color, so that there are in essence several boxes around the text of different sizes and with space in between the lines. I recognize that the purpose of the font background was to help the text contrast with the picture behind it, but it would be nicer if there were a better solution, such as by putting a box around all of the text and then filling that with color (so there aren't boxes of different sizes containing the text and empty spaces between the lines), or by putting a translucent box around the text so that we can still see the background but it's faded a bit so that the text still shows up. Cheers, Greg On Apr 7, 2010, at 9:53 AM, Thomas Schilling wrote: Yup, I have to agree. The Ruby web site certainly is the best web site for a programming language that I've come across, but it's certainly not amazing. I like the python documentation design, but their home page is a bit dull. Anyway, here's another variation, this time with more colour: http://i.imgur.com/Lj3xM.png The image is about 80k (while the website alone is 10k) so I hope there won't be any bandwidth issues. Regarding the particular contents: (a) I won't post another version for every tiny wibble. You know, you can actually post text via email (yes, really!) so if anyone has improvements for how the sections should look like, post the suggested alternative contents on this list. (b) A little redundancy is no problem at all. I try to follow the inverted pyramid model: put all the important information at the top, and add more details below. If that leads to a small amount of duplication so be it. (c) As mentioned before, we don't want a perfect home page, we simply want a better one. Incremental improvements can be made later on. (d) Who actually *can* update the homepage? Ian, Ross, Malcolm, Simon M? (e) I don't have an iPhone, *Droid, or iPad, so I'd need some help testing on any of those. (f) The design is not fixed width, and most sizes are specified in terms of font size or percentages. I merely added a max-width restriction so that it still looks decent on maximised screens. I tried to remove it, but that just doesn't look good anymore. On 7 April 2010 14:19, Daniel Fischer daniel.is.fisc...@web.de wrote: Am Mittwoch 07 April 2010 04:09:17 schrieb Gregory Crosswhite: While I think that (d) is a valid concern, it is also important not to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. If we agree that the proposed web site layout is sufficiently better than the current one and is good enough aesthetically, then I think we should go ahead and switch to the new layout and *then* start thinking about how we could make it Good plan. *completely amazing* like the Ruby web site, www.ruby-lang.org ? Sure, that looks pretty good, but completely amazing? because if we demand completely amazing for our *first* try then I fear that all that will happen is that nothing will change because the bar will have been set too high. Cheers, Greg ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- Push the envelope. Watch it bend. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- Push the envelope. Watch it bend. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com writes: http://i.imgur.com/kFqP3.png Didn't know about CSS's rgba to describe transparency. Very useful. It's a vely nice!! (in a Borat voice) (e) I don't have an iPhone, *Droid, or iPad, so I'd need some help testing on any of those. I have a Symbian phone, so I can probably help you out there. -- Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com IvanMiljenovic.wordpress.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Simon Michael si...@joyful.com wrote: On 4/2/10 5:28 AM, Thomas Schilling wrote: How about something more colourful? http://i.imgur.com/7jCPq.png I really like the simplicity of the Cassandra page: http://cassandra.apache.org/ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Haskell+Cassandra was: RE: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
Maybe a bit off-topic, but as Johan mentioned the Cassandra web site... Are there any Haskellers out there using Cassandra with Haskell? Thanks, Martin -Original Message- From: haskell-cafe-boun...@haskell.org [mailto:haskell-cafe-boun...@haskell.org] On Behalf Of Johan Tibell Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 11:36 AM To: Simon Michael Cc: haskell-cafe@haskell.org Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Simon Michael si...@joyful.com wrote: On 4/2/10 5:28 AM, Thomas Schilling wrote: How about something more colourful? http://i.imgur.com/7jCPq.png I really like the simplicity of the Cassandra page: http://cassandra.apache.org/ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: Haskell+Cassandra was: RE: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Dr. Martin Grabmüller martin.grabmuel...@eleven.de wrote: Maybe a bit off-topic, but as Johan mentioned the Cassandra web site... Are there any Haskellers out there using Cassandra with Haskell? Not yet but I plan to write a binding for it if I ever get time. :) ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: Haskell+Cassandra was: RE: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:47, Johan Tibell wrote: On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Dr. Martin Grabmüller martin.grabmuel...@eleven.de wrote: Maybe a bit off-topic, but as Johan mentioned the Cassandra web site... Are there any Haskellers out there using Cassandra with Haskell? Not yet but I plan to write a binding for it if I ever get time. :) Apparently, somebody used it long enough to write this: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/cassandra-thrift Sean ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
Well, they make the wannabe-designer mistake of using justified text in HTML, even worse, for columns just 3 words wide. The overall layout, is pretty nice though. It's essentially the standard Web 2.0 layout (compare http://basecamphq.com/, http://www.blinksale.com/, http://www.analysis-one.com/, etc.). The key design elements are (IMO): - Put the important stuff at the top and separate it visually from the other stuff. The important things are: (1) the quick summary of Haskell, (2) the Get Haskell button, (3) link to Learn Haskell / Try Haskell - We may have a second row/column of secondary important stuff, like community, project hosting, more implementations, the top learning materials, etc. links to Haskell users - News, Events, etc. can go further down I'm not particularly attached to any particulars of my suggested design. I just thought I'll try to encourage to move away much further from the current wiki-like and somewhat dull design. On 6 April 2010 10:36, Johan Tibell johan.tib...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Simon Michael si...@joyful.com wrote: On 4/2/10 5:28 AM, Thomas Schilling wrote: How about something more colourful? http://i.imgur.com/7jCPq.png I really like the simplicity of the Cassandra page: http://cassandra.apache.org/ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- Push the envelope. Watch it bend. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
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I'm definitely not a design/color person, but has anyone considered using kuler.adobe.com as a source of nice color schemes, since we seem to have an issue coming up with attractive combinations? On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.comwrote: Well, they make the wannabe-designer mistake of using justified text in HTML, even worse, for columns just 3 words wide. The overall layout, is pretty nice though. It's essentially the standard Web 2.0 layout (compare http://basecamphq.com/, http://www.blinksale.com/, http://www.analysis-one.com/, etc.). The key design elements are (IMO): - Put the important stuff at the top and separate it visually from the other stuff. The important things are: (1) the quick summary of Haskell, (2) the Get Haskell button, (3) link to Learn Haskell / Try Haskell - We may have a second row/column of secondary important stuff, like community, project hosting, more implementations, the top learning materials, etc. links to Haskell users - News, Events, etc. can go further down I'm not particularly attached to any particulars of my suggested design. I just thought I'll try to encourage to move away much further from the current wiki-like and somewhat dull design. On 6 April 2010 10:36, Johan Tibell johan.tib...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Simon Michael si...@joyful.com wrote: On 4/2/10 5:28 AM, Thomas Schilling wrote: How about something more colourful? http://i.imgur.com/7jCPq.png I really like the simplicity of the Cassandra page: http://cassandra.apache.org/ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- Push the envelope. Watch it bend. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
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Well, I used http://www.colorschemedesigner.com/ On 6 April 2010 16:20, Daniel Peebles pumpkin...@gmail.com wrote: I'm definitely not a design/color person, but has anyone considered using kuler.adobe.com as a source of nice color schemes, since we seem to have an issue coming up with attractive combinations? On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: Well, they make the wannabe-designer mistake of using justified text in HTML, even worse, for columns just 3 words wide. The overall layout, is pretty nice though. It's essentially the standard Web 2.0 layout (compare http://basecamphq.com/, http://www.blinksale.com/, http://www.analysis-one.com/, etc.). The key design elements are (IMO): - Put the important stuff at the top and separate it visually from the other stuff. The important things are: (1) the quick summary of Haskell, (2) the Get Haskell button, (3) link to Learn Haskell / Try Haskell - We may have a second row/column of secondary important stuff, like community, project hosting, more implementations, the top learning materials, etc. links to Haskell users - News, Events, etc. can go further down I'm not particularly attached to any particulars of my suggested design. I just thought I'll try to encourage to move away much further from the current wiki-like and somewhat dull design. On 6 April 2010 10:36, Johan Tibell johan.tib...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Simon Michael si...@joyful.com wrote: On 4/2/10 5:28 AM, Thomas Schilling wrote: How about something more colourful? http://i.imgur.com/7jCPq.png I really like the simplicity of the Cassandra page: http://cassandra.apache.org/ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- Push the envelope. Watch it bend. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- Push the envelope. Watch it bend. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
There's colourlovers.com as well On Apr 6, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: Well, I used http://www.colorschemedesigner.com/ On 6 April 2010 16:20, Daniel Peebles pumpkin...@gmail.com wrote: I'm definitely not a design/color person, but has anyone considered using kuler.adobe.com as a source of nice color schemes, since we seem to have an issue coming up with attractive combinations? On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: Well, they make the wannabe-designer mistake of using justified text in HTML, even worse, for columns just 3 words wide. The overall layout, is pretty nice though. It's essentially the standard Web 2.0 layout (compare http://basecamphq.com/, http://www.blinksale.com/, http://www.analysis-one.com/, etc.). The key design elements are (IMO): - Put the important stuff at the top and separate it visually from the other stuff. The important things are: (1) the quick summary of Haskell, (2) the Get Haskell button, (3) link to Learn Haskell / Try Haskell - We may have a second row/column of secondary important stuff, like community, project hosting, more implementations, the top learning materials, etc. links to Haskell users - News, Events, etc. can go further down I'm not particularly attached to any particulars of my suggested design. I just thought I'll try to encourage to move away much further from the current wiki-like and somewhat dull design. On 6 April 2010 10:36, Johan Tibell johan.tib...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Simon Michael si...@joyful.com wrote: On 4/2/10 5:28 AM, Thomas Schilling wrote: How about something more colourful? http://i.imgur.com/7jCPq.png I really like the simplicity of the Cassandra page: http://cassandra.apache.org/ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- Push the envelope. Watch it bend. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- Push the envelope. Watch it bend. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
Another attempt: http://i.imgur.com/ENvl7.png On 6 April 2010 10:36, Johan Tibell johan.tib...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Simon Michael si...@joyful.com wrote: On 4/2/10 5:28 AM, Thomas Schilling wrote: How about something more colourful? http://i.imgur.com/7jCPq.png I really like the simplicity of the Cassandra page: http://cassandra.apache.org/ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- Push the envelope. Watch it bend. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
This is a very nice design. However shouldn't other pages e.g. the wiki template be redesigning to match as well? If this is not going to happen, then I would almost prefer sticking to the current design for consistency's sake. On 6 April 2010 20:11, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: Another attempt: http://i.imgur.com/ENvl7.png On 6 April 2010 10:36, Johan Tibell johan.tib...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Simon Michael si...@joyful.com wrote: On 4/2/10 5:28 AM, Thomas Schilling wrote: How about something more colourful? http://i.imgur.com/7jCPq.png I really like the simplicity of the Cassandra page: http://cassandra.apache.org/ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- Push the envelope. Watch it bend. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
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Here's a matching Wiki style: http://i.imgur.com/XkuzH.png On 6 April 2010 20:35, Max Bolingbroke batterseapo...@hotmail.com wrote: This is a very nice design. However shouldn't other pages e.g. the wiki template be redesigning to match as well? If this is not going to happen, then I would almost prefer sticking to the current design for consistency's sake. On 6 April 2010 20:11, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: Another attempt: http://i.imgur.com/ENvl7.png On 6 April 2010 10:36, Johan Tibell johan.tib...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Simon Michael si...@joyful.com wrote: On 4/2/10 5:28 AM, Thomas Schilling wrote: How about something more colourful? http://i.imgur.com/7jCPq.png I really like the simplicity of the Cassandra page: http://cassandra.apache.org/ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- Push the envelope. Watch it bend. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- Push the envelope. Watch it bend. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com writes: Another attempt: http://i.imgur.com/ENvl7.png I like the layout, but hate the colour scheme. -- Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com IvanMiljenovic.wordpress.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
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On 6 April 2010 22:39, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com wrote: Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com writes: Another attempt: http://i.imgur.com/ENvl7.png I like the layout, but hate the colour scheme. Wow, hate is a very strong word. In any case, though, I'm pretty sure it'll be impossible to please everyone. FWIW, I used this: http://www.colourlovers.com/palette/694737/Thought_Provoking If we can agree on the general layout, though, I can create some colour scheme variants. I know this stuff is very subjective, but I would appreciate constructive feedback. / Thomas -- Push the envelope. Watch it bend. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
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On 7 April 2010 08:40, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6 April 2010 22:39, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com wrote: I like the layout, but hate the colour scheme. Wow, hate is a very strong word. OK, I dislike the colour scheme. Happy now? ;-) -- Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com IvanMiljenovic.wordpress.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
On 7 April 2010 00:57, Ivan Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 April 2010 08:40, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6 April 2010 22:39, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com wrote: I like the layout, but hate the colour scheme. Wow, hate is a very strong word. OK, I dislike the colour scheme. Happy now? ;-) That's still not constructive. I.e, is it the black, the gray, the orange? I played around with some more colours, but eg. blue link colour makes the site feel too cold. Using more intense colours for the bar at the top becomes distracting very quickly. A background other than white is either hard to read, or highly dependent on the screen. E.g., a nice bright beige on one screen can look too yellowish on another screen. Anyway, here's something with a bit more colour: http://i.imgur.com/LpQmH.png / Thomas -- Push the envelope. Watch it bend. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
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On 7 April 2010 10:02, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: On 7 April 2010 00:57, Ivan Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I dislike the colour scheme. Happy now? ;-) That's still not constructive. I.e, is it the black, the gray, the orange? OK, it's the black; it seems a tad too strong for me (the fact that you have a black theme for your browser probably doesn't help). Using more intense colours for the bar at the top becomes distracting very quickly. How about a more neutral, paler colour? Anyway, here's something with a bit more colour: http://i.imgur.com/LpQmH.png Apart from the black up the top still, I think this is nicer. However, maybe the links in the description text up the top are a bit too obvious... -- Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com IvanMiljenovic.wordpress.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
I concur that the latest version with the softer colors looks a lot nicer, and I approve of the overall design. I think that you should go back to using a change in the foreground color rather than the background color for the links in the main description, since at the moment it looks ugly. I also think that it would look better if you could align the two columns in the top (i.e., the description text and the major links above the News and Events section) so that they align better with the two columns below; you could probably also have the description text creep into the left margin so that it isn't exactly centered over the left column below, if that would look better. Cheers, Greg On Apr 6, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Ivan Miljenovic wrote: On 7 April 2010 10:02, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: On 7 April 2010 00:57, Ivan Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I dislike the colour scheme. Happy now? ;-) That's still not constructive. I.e, is it the black, the gray, the orange? OK, it's the black; it seems a tad too strong for me (the fact that you have a black theme for your browser probably doesn't help). Using more intense colours for the bar at the top becomes distracting very quickly. How about a more neutral, paler colour? Anyway, here's something with a bit more colour: http://i.imgur.com/LpQmH.png Apart from the black up the top still, I think this is nicer. However, maybe the links in the description text up the top are a bit too obvious... -- Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com IvanMiljenovic.wordpress.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
Ok, based on both your and Ivan's comments I modified a bit more. http://i.imgur.com/cumLj.png Making the top columns and the lower columns the same width looks bad, but I agree that the large margin between the blurb and the Documentation headline was too large. After I changed that, however, the Documentation section and the News sections did not line up anymore which looked even worse when the news section had a different background colour. So instead the background colour is used for the quicklinks. Removing any use of a background colour would makes things too boring, though. I also swapped the heading colour and the title bar colour. So headings are now a very dark blue. The italic things in the blurb are actually not links (though they could be). Without any styling the blurb would look too boring, so I'm using the same blue that the title bar uses. On 7 April 2010 01:25, Gregory Crosswhite gcr...@phys.washington.edu wrote: I concur that the latest version with the softer colors looks a lot nicer, and I approve of the overall design. I think that you should go back to using a change in the foreground color rather than the background color for the links in the main description, since at the moment it looks ugly. I also think that it would look better if you could align the two columns in the top (i.e., the description text and the major links above the News and Events section) so that they align better with the two columns below; you could probably also have the description text creep into the left margin so that it isn't exactly centered over the left column below, if that would look better. Cheers, Greg On Apr 6, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Ivan Miljenovic wrote: On 7 April 2010 10:02, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: On 7 April 2010 00:57, Ivan Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I dislike the colour scheme. Happy now? ;-) That's still not constructive. I.e, is it the black, the gray, the orange? OK, it's the black; it seems a tad too strong for me (the fact that you have a black theme for your browser probably doesn't help). Using more intense colours for the bar at the top becomes distracting very quickly. How about a more neutral, paler colour? Anyway, here's something with a bit more colour: http://i.imgur.com/LpQmH.png Apart from the black up the top still, I think this is nicer. However, maybe the links in the description text up the top are a bit too obvious... -- Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com IvanMiljenovic.wordpress.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- Push the envelope. Watch it bend. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
On 7 April 2010 10:49, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: http://i.imgur.com/cumLj.png I wonder... is there any reason why the actual page content is so narrow compared to the title bar (to allow for small screens)? [snip] So headings are now a very dark blue. The italic things in the blurb are actually not links (though they could be). Without any styling the blurb would look too boring, so I'm using the same blue that the title bar uses. That's _blue_ ? :O I was thinking it looked more like Slate Gray or something... -- Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com IvanMiljenovic.wordpress.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
Nice! Is there any way you can enlarge the bottom section so that the box in the top-right doesn't look like it is hanging over the side (i.e., having whitespace directly below it and to the right of the main text)? If anything, I think that it would look better for the bottom text to extend further right than the box at the top than vice versa. Cheers, Greg On Apr 6, 2010, at 5:49 PM, Thomas Schilling wrote: Ok, based on both your and Ivan's comments I modified a bit more. http://i.imgur.com/cumLj.png Making the top columns and the lower columns the same width looks bad, but I agree that the large margin between the blurb and the Documentation headline was too large. After I changed that, however, the Documentation section and the News sections did not line up anymore which looked even worse when the news section had a different background colour. So instead the background colour is used for the quicklinks. Removing any use of a background colour would makes things too boring, though. I also swapped the heading colour and the title bar colour. So headings are now a very dark blue. The italic things in the blurb are actually not links (though they could be). Without any styling the blurb would look too boring, so I'm using the same blue that the title bar uses. On 7 April 2010 01:25, Gregory Crosswhite gcr...@phys.washington.edu wrote: I concur that the latest version with the softer colors looks a lot nicer, and I approve of the overall design. I think that you should go back to using a change in the foreground color rather than the background color for the links in the main description, since at the moment it looks ugly. I also think that it would look better if you could align the two columns in the top (i.e., the description text and the major links above the News and Events section) so that they align better with the two columns below; you could probably also have the description text creep into the left margin so that it isn't exactly centered over the left column below, if that would look better. Cheers, Greg On Apr 6, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Ivan Miljenovic wrote: On 7 April 2010 10:02, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: On 7 April 2010 00:57, Ivan Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I dislike the colour scheme. Happy now? ;-) That's still not constructive. I.e, is it the black, the gray, the orange? OK, it's the black; it seems a tad too strong for me (the fact that you have a black theme for your browser probably doesn't help). Using more intense colours for the bar at the top becomes distracting very quickly. How about a more neutral, paler colour? Anyway, here's something with a bit more colour: http://i.imgur.com/LpQmH.png Apart from the black up the top still, I think this is nicer. However, maybe the links in the description text up the top are a bit too obvious... -- Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com IvanMiljenovic.wordpress.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- Push the envelope. Watch it bend. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
Ok, last revision for tonight: http://i.imgur.com/d3ARq.png I fixed the link-box hanging over and I made the logo a bit bigger (60px, like currently on the Wiki) Ivan, yes it's more like Slate Grey, no idea what it's called. I have set a maximum width on purpose so that it doesn't degrade too badly on big screens. It was 50em (50 x font size), now it's 55em; For one-column text 40em would be better (too long lines are hard to read), but since it's a two-column layout, it's fine if it's wider. I've seen a website that fluidly switches between 2 and 3-column layout depending on how wide the window is (using CSS only) but I suppose that's hard to get to work portably (well, IE). On 7 April 2010 01:57, Gregory Crosswhite gcr...@phys.washington.edu wrote: Nice! Is there any way you can enlarge the bottom section so that the box in the top-right doesn't look like it is hanging over the side (i.e., having whitespace directly below it and to the right of the main text)? If anything, I think that it would look better for the bottom text to extend further right than the box at the top than vice versa. Cheers, Greg On Apr 6, 2010, at 5:49 PM, Thomas Schilling wrote: Ok, based on both your and Ivan's comments I modified a bit more. http://i.imgur.com/cumLj.png Making the top columns and the lower columns the same width looks bad, but I agree that the large margin between the blurb and the Documentation headline was too large. After I changed that, however, the Documentation section and the News sections did not line up anymore which looked even worse when the news section had a different background colour. So instead the background colour is used for the quicklinks. Removing any use of a background colour would makes things too boring, though. I also swapped the heading colour and the title bar colour. So headings are now a very dark blue. The italic things in the blurb are actually not links (though they could be). Without any styling the blurb would look too boring, so I'm using the same blue that the title bar uses. On 7 April 2010 01:25, Gregory Crosswhite gcr...@phys.washington.edu wrote: I concur that the latest version with the softer colors looks a lot nicer, and I approve of the overall design. I think that you should go back to using a change in the foreground color rather than the background color for the links in the main description, since at the moment it looks ugly. I also think that it would look better if you could align the two columns in the top (i.e., the description text and the major links above the News and Events section) so that they align better with the two columns below; you could probably also have the description text creep into the left margin so that it isn't exactly centered over the left column below, if that would look better. Cheers, Greg On Apr 6, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Ivan Miljenovic wrote: On 7 April 2010 10:02, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: On 7 April 2010 00:57, Ivan Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I dislike the colour scheme. Happy now? ;-) That's still not constructive. I.e, is it the black, the gray, the orange? OK, it's the black; it seems a tad too strong for me (the fact that you have a black theme for your browser probably doesn't help). Using more intense colours for the bar at the top becomes distracting very quickly. How about a more neutral, paler colour? Anyway, here's something with a bit more colour: http://i.imgur.com/LpQmH.png Apart from the black up the top still, I think this is nicer. However, maybe the links in the description text up the top are a bit too obvious... -- Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com IvanMiljenovic.wordpress.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- Push the envelope. Watch it bend. -- Push the envelope. Watch it bend. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.comwrote: Ok, based on both your and Ivan's comments I modified a bit more. http://i.imgur.com/cumLj.png Making the top columns and the lower columns the same width looks bad, but I agree that the large margin between the blurb and the Documentation headline was too large. After I changed that, however, the Documentation section and the News sections did not line up anymore which looked even worse when the news section had a different background colour. So instead the background colour is used for the quicklinks. Removing any use of a background colour would makes things too boring, though. I also swapped the heading colour and the title bar colour. So headings are now a very dark blue. The italic things in the blurb are actually not links (though they could be). Without any styling the blurb would look too boring, so I'm using the same blue that the title bar uses. We were discussing it briefly around the office and some things I recall from that: a) There's only so much you can do with square boxes, flat colors, and a single font. b) http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/ is probably one of the best looking programming language websites. c) the wiki bar at the top has got to go d) how do the designs look on mobile devices? It looks like you've definitely tackled (c), so that's great. It seems like maybe we can draw on (b) to help address (a). I wish I had more concrete suggestions. Keep up the good work! Jason ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:22 AM, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: I have set a maximum width on purpose so that it doesn't degrade too badly on big screens. I've never really trusted this argument - it's not required that the browser window occupy the entire screen, so why not let the user choose how wide they want their text? ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
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On 7 April 2010 11:53, Ben Millwood hask...@benmachine.co.uk wrote: I've never really trusted this argument - it's not required that the browser window occupy the entire screen, so why not let the user choose how wide they want their text? Agreed; I hate websites/blogs/etc. that only take up a fraction of the screen width (especially since I like to increase the font size to make it more readable, which results in only having a few words per line and quite often weird wrapping issues). At least it's in the centre though; this (which my brother worked on, which is why I know about it) abomination for some reason has everything on the left of the screen (some argument about how people might want to overlap their browser window with a text editor, etc.; I dont' see why they don't just shrink and move the browser window then): http://www.arachnoserver.org/ -- Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com IvanMiljenovic.wordpress.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
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Ah, that looks a lot nicer. :-) Cheers, Greg On Apr 6, 2010, at 5:49 PM, Thomas Schilling wrote: Ok, based on both your and Ivan's comments I modified a bit more. http://i.imgur.com/cumLj.png Making the top columns and the lower columns the same width looks bad, but I agree that the large margin between the blurb and the Documentation headline was too large. After I changed that, however, the Documentation section and the News sections did not line up anymore which looked even worse when the news section had a different background colour. So instead the background colour is used for the quicklinks. Removing any use of a background colour would makes things too boring, though. I also swapped the heading colour and the title bar colour. So headings are now a very dark blue. The italic things in the blurb are actually not links (though they could be). Without any styling the blurb would look too boring, so I'm using the same blue that the title bar uses. On 7 April 2010 01:25, Gregory Crosswhite gcr...@phys.washington.edu wrote: I concur that the latest version with the softer colors looks a lot nicer, and I approve of the overall design. I think that you should go back to using a change in the foreground color rather than the background color for the links in the main description, since at the moment it looks ugly. I also think that it would look better if you could align the two columns in the top (i.e., the description text and the major links above the News and Events section) so that they align better with the two columns below; you could probably also have the description text creep into the left margin so that it isn't exactly centered over the left column below, if that would look better. Cheers, Greg On Apr 6, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Ivan Miljenovic wrote: On 7 April 2010 10:02, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: On 7 April 2010 00:57, Ivan Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I dislike the colour scheme. Happy now? ;-) That's still not constructive. I.e, is it the black, the gray, the orange? OK, it's the black; it seems a tad too strong for me (the fact that you have a black theme for your browser probably doesn't help). Using more intense colours for the bar at the top becomes distracting very quickly. How about a more neutral, paler colour? Anyway, here's something with a bit more colour: http://i.imgur.com/LpQmH.png Apart from the black up the top still, I think this is nicer. However, maybe the links in the description text up the top are a bit too obvious... -- Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com IvanMiljenovic.wordpress.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- Push the envelope. Watch it bend. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
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While I think that (d) is a valid concern, it is also important not to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. If we agree that the proposed web site layout is sufficiently better than the current one and is good enough aesthetically, then I think we should go ahead and switch to the new layout and *then* start thinking about how we could make it *completely amazing* like the Ruby web site, because if we demand completely amazing for our *first* try then I fear that all that will happen is that nothing will change because the bar will have been set too high. Cheers, Greg On Apr 6, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Jason Dagit wrote: On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: Ok, based on both your and Ivan's comments I modified a bit more. http://i.imgur.com/cumLj.png Making the top columns and the lower columns the same width looks bad, but I agree that the large margin between the blurb and the Documentation headline was too large. After I changed that, however, the Documentation section and the News sections did not line up anymore which looked even worse when the news section had a different background colour. So instead the background colour is used for the quicklinks. Removing any use of a background colour would makes things too boring, though. I also swapped the heading colour and the title bar colour. So headings are now a very dark blue. The italic things in the blurb are actually not links (though they could be). Without any styling the blurb would look too boring, so I'm using the same blue that the title bar uses. We were discussing it briefly around the office and some things I recall from that: a) There's only so much you can do with square boxes, flat colors, and a single font. b) http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/ is probably one of the best looking programming language websites. c) the wiki bar at the top has got to go d) how do the designs look on mobile devices? It looks like you've definitely tackled (c), so that's great. It seems like maybe we can draw on (b) to help address (a). I wish I had more concrete suggestions. Keep up the good work! Jason ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
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On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: Ok, last revision for tonight: http://i.imgur.com/d3ARq.png I'm no web design guru, but this is definitely better than what we have now. Good job on it. Antoine ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
On 4/2/10 5:28 AM, Thomas Schilling wrote: How about something more colourful? http://i.imgur.com/7jCPq.png No-one replied to this, but I like it. You sacrificed some information density for a simple, engaging, low-stress page (which can still rotate in new content frequently). Anything appearing on this page will be noticed and read, which is not true of all designs. And reducing stress in learning Haskell is a good idea! (I almost expect to see a Hitch-hiker's Guide Don't Panic button[1]) [1] http://wiki.zope.org/zope2/dontpanicbutton.gif ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
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On 6 April 2010 13:24, Simon Michael si...@joyful.com wrote: On 4/2/10 5:28 AM, Thomas Schilling wrote: How about something more colourful? http://i.imgur.com/7jCPq.png No-one replied to this, but I like it. You sacrificed some information density for a simple, engaging, low-stress page (which can still rotate in new content frequently). Hmmm, I must have missed this one. However, I find it being _too_ bereft of content. Maybe still have a sub-menu of important links/info (e.g. events) rather than force users to dig for them. -- Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com IvanMiljenovic.wordpress.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
On 28/03/2010 21:44, Christopher Done wrote: This is a post about re-designing the whole Haskell web site. We got a new logo but didn't really take it any further. For a while there's been talk about a new design for the Haskell web site, and there are loads of web pages about Haskell that don't follow a theme consistent with Haskell.org's, probably because it doesn't really have a proper theme. I'm not a designer so take my suggestion with a grain of salt, but something that showed pictures of the latest events and the feeds we currently have would be nice. The feeds let you know that the community is busy, and pictures tell you that we are human and friendly. Anyway, I came up with something to kick off a discussion: http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Image:Haskell-homepage-idea.png It answers the basic questions: * What's Haskell? * Where am I on the site? (Answered by a universally recognised tab menu) * What's it like? * How do I learn it? * Does it have an active community? * What's going on in the community? What are they making? * This language is weird. Are they human? -- Yes. The picture of a recent event can fade from one to another with jQuery. The colours aren't the most exciting, but someone who's a professional designer could do a proper design. But I like the idea of the site being like this; really busy but not scarily busy. The general design looks great, nice job. Is the footer necessary? I dislike sites that have too many ways to navigate, and the footer looks superfluous. The footer will probably be off the bottom of the window in any case, which reduces its usefulness as a navigation tool. If we want a tree of links for navigation, maybe the tabs at the top could be drop-down menus, or there could be a menu sidebar. Cheers, Simon ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
On 29 March 2010 11:19, Simon Marlow marlo...@gmail.com wrote: Is the footer necessary? I dislike sites that have too many ways to navigate, and the footer looks superfluous. The footer will probably be off the bottom of the window in any case, which reduces its usefulness as a navigation tool. Footer navigations are a way to provide a bit of a sitemap without cluttering the top nav, good for SEO, and to provide the user with an overview of the hierarchical structure of the site on every page. According to the W3C, headings are easily navigable with a screenreader; as someone using assistive technologies I'd get something like: Welcome to Haskell.org Events Learning Headlines Latest Packages Quick Links Download Community Wiki Reports We can get rid of it but I think it's a useful thing. If we want a tree of links for navigation, maybe the tabs at the top could be drop-down menus, or there could be a menu sidebar. A side bar on sub pages sounds good. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
On 29/03/2010 13:20, Christopher Done wrote: On 29 March 2010 11:19, Simon Marlowmarlo...@gmail.com wrote: Is the footer necessary? I dislike sites that have too many ways to navigate, and the footer looks superfluous. The footer will probably be off the bottom of the window in any case, which reduces its usefulness as a navigation tool. Footer navigations are a way to provide a bit of a sitemap without cluttering the top nav, good for SEO, and to provide the user with an overview of the hierarchical structure of the site on every page. IMHO, these aren't compelling reasons. Note that already on your page there is an inconsistency between the tabs at the top and the headings at the bottom: I don't know where to look to find the content I want. Put the navigation in one place. A sitemap: sitemaps are for robots. If you're worried about cluttering up the page, use drop-down menus. SEO: we shouldn't compromise the usability or appearance of the site for SEO. If we do it right, SEO takes care of itself - and it's not like we care that much about SEO here, we're not competing with other sites to sell you Haskell. According to the W3C, headings are easily navigable with a screenreader; as someone using assistive technologies I'd get something like: Welcome to Haskell.org Events Learning Headlines Latest Packages Quick Links Download Community Wiki Reports Making this work right is an important goal, I agree. Cheers, Simon ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
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On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 16:24, Simon Marlow wrote: On 29/03/2010 13:20, Christopher Done wrote: On 29 March 2010 11:19, Simon Marlow wrote: Is the footer necessary? I dislike sites that have too many ways to navigate, and the footer looks superfluous. The footer will probably be off the bottom of the window in any case, which reduces its usefulness as a navigation tool. Footer navigations are a way to provide a bit of a sitemap without cluttering the top nav, good for SEO, and to provide the user with an overview of the hierarchical structure of the site on every page. IMHO, these aren't compelling reasons. Note that already on your page there is an inconsistency between the tabs at the top and the headings at the bottom: I don't know where to look to find the content I want. Put the navigation in one place. A sitemap: sitemaps are for robots. If you're worried about cluttering up the page, use drop-down menus. SEO: we shouldn't compromise the usability or appearance of the site for SEO. If we do it right, SEO takes care of itself - and it's not like we care that much about SEO here, we're not competing with other sites to sell you Haskell. I like something like this footer (though I don't think this is a great one: page-specific wiki actions doesn't belong, and I don't get the Reports column). It clearly doesn't serve as main navigation. For me, it's the where do I go next collection of links for when I've read the page. I think it can improve usability, not hurt it. As for SEO, I don't think the concern should be do we show up high in the ranks? but rather does a query in a search engine take you to the most appropriate page? I've long been frustrated by Google not being able to find good answers to my Haskell-related questions. If there's anything we can do to improve this issue by changing the page layout and structure of haskell.org, then I'm all for it. This in itself is a matter of usability. Regards, Sean ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
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On 29 March 2010 16:16, Sean Leather leat...@cs.uu.nl wrote: On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 16:24, Simon Marlow wrote: IMHO, these aren't compelling reasons. Note that already on your page there is an inconsistency between the tabs at the top and the headings at the bottom: I don't know where to look to find the content I want. Put the navigation in one place. A sitemap: sitemaps are for robots. If you're worried about cluttering up the page, use drop-down menus. SEO: we shouldn't compromise the usability or appearance of the site for SEO. If we do it right, SEO takes care of itself - and it's not like we care that much about SEO here, we're not competing with other sites to sell you Haskell. I like something like this footer (though I don't think this is a great one: page-specific wiki actions doesn't belong, and I don't get the Reports column). It clearly doesn't serve as main navigation. For me, it's the where do I go next collection of links for when I've read the page. I think it can improve usability, not hurt it. As for SEO, I don't think the concern should be do we show up high in the ranks? but rather does a query in a search engine take you to the most appropriate page? I've long been frustrated by Google not being able to find good answers to my Haskell-related questions. If there's anything we can do to improve this issue by changing the page layout and structure of haskell.org, then I'm all for it. This in itself is a matter of usability. Well, I'm not a usability expert nor do I have any research handy about how to do this properly. If someone is or has, that would be great! I was going to ask the guy at work who is a usability expert and up on W3C recommendations, but he wasn't in! Meanwhile for the sake of productivity I'll just take it out and get cracking. If someone thinks something's confusing we can just take it out, no problem. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
Christopher Done wrote: On 28 March 2010 22:54, Don Stewart d...@galois.com wrote: This looks great! What are the implementation details of having this go live? * Ashley: would you be able to e.g. install an index.html like this, and hang the wiki under it? * How do we allow editing (by trusted users?) I've emailed Ashley about sorting this out. I'll stick to the way it's currently done, wikimedia template for the home page. I'll just make the index page a special case somehow or make a new index file to pull the necessary bits from the wiki database. Let's go, Ashley! Is the front page a wiki page? -- Ashley ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
On 28 March 2010 23:32, Ashley Yakeley ash...@semantic.org wrote: There was a big competition for the logo, with this blind Condorcet voting and everything, and this is the shape that was picked. But it kind of ran out of steam before colours were decided upon. So I just copied the colours from the Haskell Platform logo... Sure. Maybe the colours are great, I don't know. But I can't get them to work very well, personally. On 28 March 2010 23:25, Ashley Yakeley ash...@semantic.org wrote: Is the front page a wiki page? By the looks of it, yes. If you go to 'Edit this page', you can see that it's made out of wikimedia templates. But that's just a guess. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design
Christopher Done wrote: On 28 March 2010 23:32, Ashley Yakeley ash...@semantic.org wrote: There was a big competition for the logo, with this blind Condorcet voting and everything, and this is the shape that was picked. But it kind of ran out of steam before colours were decided upon. So I just copied the colours from the Haskell Platform logo... Sure. Maybe the colours are great, I don't know. But I can't get them to work very well, personally. No, you're right, they're ugly colours IMO. On 28 March 2010 23:25, Ashley Yakeley ash...@semantic.org wrote: Is the front page a wiki page? By the looks of it, yes. If you go to 'Edit this page', you can see that it's made out of wikimedia templates. But that's just a guess. I meant, in the redesign, is the intent to make the front page a wiki page, or a special static page? -- Ashley Yakeley ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
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ashley: Christopher Done wrote: On 28 March 2010 23:32, Ashley Yakeley ash...@semantic.org wrote: There was a big competition for the logo, with this blind Condorcet voting and everything, and this is the shape that was picked. But it kind of ran out of steam before colours were decided upon. So I just copied the colours from the Haskell Platform logo... Sure. Maybe the colours are great, I don't know. But I can't get them to work very well, personally. No, you're right, they're ugly colours IMO. On 28 March 2010 23:25, Ashley Yakeley ash...@semantic.org wrote: Is the front page a wiki page? By the looks of it, yes. If you go to 'Edit this page', you can see that it's made out of wikimedia templates. But that's just a guess. I meant, in the redesign, is the intent to make the front page a wiki page, or a special static page? I think the goal is an attractive non-wiki page with live content. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
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On 29 March 2010 00:08, Don Stewart d...@galois.com wrote: On 28 March 2010 23:25, Ashley Yakeley ash...@semantic.org wrote: Is the front page a wiki page? By the looks of it, yes. If you go to 'Edit this page', you can see that it's made out of wikimedia templates. But that's just a guess. I meant, in the redesign, is the intent to make the front page a wiki page, or a special static page? I think the goal is an attractive non-wiki page with live content. Right -- ideally the index page would be written separately from the Wiki but maybe use its libraries or at least in some way access the wiki database so that the index page can be manipulated through the wiki. Each section is kind of modular anyway. I'm trying out the 1.5 version I got from the mediawiki svn now. A copy of the database sans users would be nice. How big is it? I can construct my own example db but it's nice to work with the real thing. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
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On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Ashley Yakeley ash...@semantic.org wrote: No, you're right, they're ugly colours IMO. I originally mocked up the logo that we chose, so I'm partial to the grayish-blue that I used. Others probably work, but I think the combination of blues in the one that's used a lot now is awkward. I do like the new design idea, but there are a few places I'd like to nitpick, if nobody minds. - The Register | Login button is awkward; it looks like it's centered with the descenders included, so it's a bit too high. Also, a pipe as a separator is strange. (This same style is used a few other places, too.) - The Haskell Programming Language is a bit long. Perhaps make The/Programming Language be a lot lighter, so that Haskell really stands out. - I doubt we'll end up using that font for the headers (unless somebody is ponying up for a license and wants to use Typekit or so), but the 't' as in Welcome _t_o is very strange. - Under Events, I'd move More to be in line with the prev/next buttons. - Under Latest Packages, I think different formatting could make this read more easily. At the very least, the package name and description should be a different color or weight. I'd move the description onto the same line (wrapping if necessary), but a lighter weight and a lighter gray (same color as the Latest Event?). Just some ideas to think about. -- Jeff Wheeler Undergraduate, Electrical Engineering University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
