Re: [Haskell-cafe] Which advanced Haskell topics interest you
Something to consider is that it's not so much whether the material is basic, advanced, or intermediate; it's that the way it's being presented is boring and ineffective. Take the Head First Java book, which was deliberately engineered to overcome precisely this hitherto neglected aspect of technical teaching. There's a lot we can learn from how that book was put together because it's done wonders for onboarding java developers. A summary of what makes the book different: http://books.google.com/books?id=lXEBwv0LYogCpg=PR22source=gbs_selected_pagescad=3 -- Kim-Ee On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Manuel M T Chakravarty c...@cse.unsw.edu.au wrote: Most existing Haskell books and similar teaching material is aimed at programmers who are new to Haskell. This survey is to assess the community interest in teaching material covering advanced topics beyond the commonly taught introductory material. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dE1QZFNRLTFMdkllYWIyR2FkYnRzZHc6MQ Manuel ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Which advanced Haskell topics interest you
On 4 October 2012 18:04, Kim-Ee Yeoh k...@atamo.com wrote: Something to consider is that it's not so much whether the material is basic, advanced, or intermediate; it's that the way it's being presented is boring and ineffective. I'd suggest there is enough range in the Haskell books now available, that for most tastes, there's a beginners to intermediate book already a given learner wouldn't consider boring. Of course different learners will like different ones... As for an advanced book, maybe limiting the subject to one domain (concurrency / DSLs for graphics / pick a favourite ...) might make a better book than one targeting a mix of advanced topics. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Which advanced Haskell topics interest you
2012/10/4 Stephen Tetley stephen.tet...@gmail.com: On 4 October 2012 18:04, Kim-Ee Yeoh k...@atamo.com wrote: Something to consider is that it's not so much whether the material is basic, advanced, or intermediate; it's that the way it's being presented is boring and ineffective. I'd suggest there is enough range in the Haskell books now available, that for most tastes, there's a beginners to intermediate book already a given learner wouldn't consider boring. Of course different learners will like different ones... As for an advanced book, maybe limiting the subject to one domain (concurrency / DSLs for graphics / pick a favourite ...) might make a better book than one targeting a mix of advanced topics. PBRT (http://pbrt.org/) in Haskell would be awesome :) ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Which advanced Haskell topics interest you
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Stephen Tetley stephen.tet...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 October 2012 18:04, Kim-Ee Yeoh k...@atamo.com wrote: Something to consider is that it's not so much whether the material is basic, advanced, or intermediate; it's that the way it's being presented is boring and ineffective. I'd suggest there is enough range in the Haskell books now available, that for most tastes, there's a beginners to intermediate book already a given learner wouldn't consider boring. Of course different learners will like different ones... As for an advanced book, maybe limiting the subject to one domain (concurrency / DSLs for graphics / pick a favourite ...) might make a better book than one targeting a mix of advanced topics. Another problem is that the topics in these domains don't simply deal with Haskell, they deal with real computer science that is not to be understated. Concurrency for Haskell involves tackling the real implementation issues inherent in making things work, but also a good taste of semantics, and actual concurrency. If you're approaching this from an outsider's perspective (never taken a class in concurrency, never heard of process algebra, etc..) the topic will be more difficult than if you're in the know and want a survey of topics as they are implemented in Haskell. As far as functional data structures go, we already have an excellent book, though it of course could use updating, along with real world Haskell like treatment, but the core thinking is there. kris ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Which advanced Haskell topics interest you
Kristopher Micinski krismicin...@gmail.com: On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Stephen Tetley stephen.tet...@gmail.com wrote: As for an advanced book, maybe limiting the subject to one domain (concurrency / DSLs for graphics / pick a favourite ...) might make a better book than one targeting a mix of advanced topics. Another problem is that the topics in these domains don't simply deal with Haskell, they deal with real computer science that is not to be understated. Concurrency for Haskell involves tackling the real implementation issues inherent in making things work, but also a good taste of semantics, and actual concurrency. Those are very good points. Thanks, Manuel ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
