Re: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] Wikipedia on first-class object
On 28 Dec 2007, at 1:15 AM, Cristian Baboi wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:39:25 +0200, Jonathan Cast [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haskell is not a computer programming language; Haskell implementations are not required to run on computers. Haskell is a formal notation for computation (completely unrelated to the Von Neuman machine sitting on your desk). It can be implemented on Von Neuman machines, because they are still universal Turing machines, but it is /not/ a radical attack on the problem of programming peripherals! How do you call that thing that implement Haskell ? Usually I call it a compiler for a computer. That's a fact about economics, not about Haskell. jcc ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] Wikipedia on first-class object
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 14:42:37 +0200, Bulat Ziganshin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Cristian, Thursday, December 27, 2007, 12:19:08 PM, you wrote: Yes, but one can store the result of an operation to disk except in the particular case the result happen to be a function. how can values of type T be saved to disk? I don't know. I'm a beginner in Haskell, and I down't know about T. You mean they cannot ? I was under the impression that the purpose of computers cannot be fulfiled if we cannot get the result of computations out of the computers. Information from NOD32 This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Servers. part000.txt - is OK http://www.eset.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] Wikipedia on first-class object
On 27 Dec 2007, at 6:51 AM, Cristian Baboi wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 14:42:37 +0200, Bulat Ziganshin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Cristian, Thursday, December 27, 2007, 12:19:08 PM, you wrote: Yes, but one can store the result of an operation to disk except in the particular case the result happen to be a function. how can values of type T be saved to disk? I don't know. I'm a beginner in Haskell, and I down't know about T. You mean they cannot ? I was under the impression that the purpose of computers cannot be fulfiled if we cannot get the result of computations out of the computers. Haskell is not a computer programming language; Haskell implementations are not required to run on computers. Haskell is a formal notation for computation (completely unrelated to the Von Neuman machine sitting on your desk). It can be implemented on Von Neuman machines, because they are still universal Turing machines, but it is /not/ a radical attack on the problem of programming peripherals! jcc ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] Wikipedia on first-class object
Good to know. I intended to use Haskell for algorithms, but it seems it is not so good at them. On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:52:19 +0200, Jonathan Cast [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27 Dec 2007, at 9:47 AM, Cristian Baboi wrote: I don't know. I'm a beginner in Haskell, and I down't know about T. You mean they cannot ? I was under the impression that the purpose of computers cannot be fulfiled if we cannot get the result of computations out of the computers. Haskell is not a computer programming language; Haskell implementations are not required to run on computers. Haskell is a formal notation for computation (completely unrelated to the Von Neuman machine sitting on your desk). It can be implemented on Von Neuman machines, because they are still universal Turing machines, but it is /not/ a radical attack on the problem of programming peripherals! I suppose it can run on pebbles. Any language can be emulated on pebbles; unlike most languages, Haskell can be compiled directly to them. jcc I know, and in this case one doesn't need IO. The result is a nice collection of asorted pebbles. Which is why Haskell treats IO as a domain specific language. jcc Information from NOD32 This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Servers. part000.txt - is OK http://www.eset.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] Wikipedia on first-class object
I don't know. I'm a beginner in Haskell, and I down't know about T. You mean they cannot ? I was under the impression that the purpose of computers cannot be fulfiled if we cannot get the result of computations out of the computers. Haskell is not a computer programming language; Haskell implementations are not required to run on computers. Haskell is a formal notation for computation (completely unrelated to the Von Neuman machine sitting on your desk). It can be implemented on Von Neuman machines, because they are still universal Turing machines, but it is /not/ a radical attack on the problem of programming peripherals! I suppose it can run on pebbles. Any language can be emulated on pebbles; unlike most languages, Haskell can be compiled directly to them. jcc I know, and in this case one doesn't need IO. The result is a nice collection of asorted pebbles. Information from NOD32 This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Servers. part000.txt - is OK http://www.eset.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] Wikipedia on first-class object
On 27 Dec 2007, at 9:41 AM, Cristian Baboi wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:39:25 +0200, Jonathan Cast [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27 Dec 2007, at 6:51 AM, Cristian Baboi wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 14:42:37 +0200, Bulat Ziganshin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Cristian, Thursday, December 27, 2007, 12:19:08 PM, you wrote: Yes, but one can store the result of an operation to disk except in the particular case the result happen to be a function. how can values of type T be saved to disk? I don't know. I'm a beginner in Haskell, and I down't know about T. You mean they cannot ? I was under the impression that the purpose of computers cannot be fulfiled if we cannot get the result of computations out of the computers. Haskell is not a computer programming language; Haskell implementations are not required to run on computers. Haskell is a formal notation for computation (completely unrelated to the Von Neuman machine sitting on your desk). It can be implemented on Von Neuman machines, because they are still universal Turing machines, but it is /not/ a radical attack on the problem of programming peripherals! I suppose it can run on pebbles. Any language can be emulated on pebbles; unlike most languages, Haskell can be compiled directly to them. jcc ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] Wikipedia on first-class object
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:39:25 +0200, Jonathan Cast [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27 Dec 2007, at 6:51 AM, Cristian Baboi wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 14:42:37 +0200, Bulat Ziganshin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Cristian, Thursday, December 27, 2007, 12:19:08 PM, you wrote: Yes, but one can store the result of an operation to disk except in the particular case the result happen to be a function. how can values of type T be saved to disk? I don't know. I'm a beginner in Haskell, and I down't know about T. You mean they cannot ? I was under the impression that the purpose of computers cannot be fulfiled if we cannot get the result of computations out of the computers. Haskell is not a computer programming language; Haskell implementations are not required to run on computers. Haskell is a formal notation for computation (completely unrelated to the Von Neuman machine sitting on your desk). It can be implemented on Von Neuman machines, because they are still universal Turing machines, but it is /not/ a radical attack on the problem of programming peripherals! I suppose it can run on pebbles. Information from NOD32 This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Servers. part000.txt - is OK http://www.eset.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] Wikipedia on first-class object
On 27 Dec 2007, at 9:47 AM, Cristian Baboi wrote: I don't know. I'm a beginner in Haskell, and I down't know about T. You mean they cannot ? I was under the impression that the purpose of computers cannot be fulfiled if we cannot get the result of computations out of the computers. Haskell is not a computer programming language; Haskell implementations are not required to run on computers. Haskell is a formal notation for computation (completely unrelated to the Von Neuman machine sitting on your desk). It can be implemented on Von Neuman machines, because they are still universal Turing machines, but it is /not/ a radical attack on the problem of programming peripherals! I suppose it can run on pebbles. Any language can be emulated on pebbles; unlike most languages, Haskell can be compiled directly to them. jcc I know, and in this case one doesn't need IO. The result is a nice collection of asorted pebbles. Which is why Haskell treats IO as a domain specific language. jcc ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] Wikipedia on first-class object
On 27 Dec 2007, at 9:57 AM, Cristian Baboi wrote: Good to know. I intended to use Haskell for algorithms, but it seems it is not so good at them. Very sad. The entire point of Haskell is that it allows the user to transcend the algorithm as a way of expressing computations. I hope someday you may understand Haskell, rather than just criticizing it. jcc ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] Wikipedia on first-class object
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:45:23 +0200, Jonathan Cast [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27 Dec 2007, at 9:57 AM, Cristian Baboi wrote: Good to know. I intended to use Haskell for algorithms, but it seems it is not so good at them. Very sad. The entire point of Haskell is that it allows the user to transcend the algorithm as a way of expressing computations. I hope someday you may understand Haskell, rather than just criticizing it. I'm begining to understand it. Criticizing it's just a tehnique to allow me to understand it better. This is what I understood: - there is no distinction of data from functions. This seem more like a matter of definiton: what I call X, the X + Y or just X. - functions can be manipulated the same way as data. This does not sound right. - functions can be manipulated as easy as data. This seems better. - functional programming is declarative. One may take a picture of all those pebbles, but their arrangemant does not make sense to him because no part of it resemble the original description. - one cannot print things that cannot be traversed in a sequential way The last two seems to be in contradiction. Information from NOD32 This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Servers. part000.txt - is OK http://www.eset.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] Wikipedia on first-class object
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:39:25 +0200, Jonathan Cast [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haskell is not a computer programming language; Haskell implementations are not required to run on computers. Haskell is a formal notation for computation (completely unrelated to the Von Neuman machine sitting on your desk). It can be implemented on Von Neuman machines, because they are still universal Turing machines, but it is /not/ a radical attack on the problem of programming peripherals! How do you call that thing that implement Haskell ? Information from NOD32 This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System for Linux Mail Servers. part000.txt - is OK http://www.eset.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
