Re: [Heb-NACO] Help with an Aramaic expression

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Hi Rachel,

The only vocalized source that I could find was in Sefaraia "William Davidsion 
romanization."

This I believe would be ALA/LC (based on ALA/LC Hebrew romanization) would be

״Ḥasore meḥasra״

This form is also cited by Strack.

I look forward to seeing how this mystery plays out.

Best, Heidi

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Subject: [Heb-NACO] Help with an Aramaic expression

Good afternoon! Although I'm retired, sometimes those who know Aramaic even 
less ask me for help, but I'm stuck. How should the words חסורי מחסרא in the 
title סוגיות חסורי מחסרא בתלמוד הבבלי be romanmized? I've checked two 
dictionaries, and
Good afternoon!

Although I'm retired, sometimes those who know Aramaic even less ask me for 
help, but I'm stuck.

How should the words חסורי מחסרא  in the title סוגיות חסורי מחסרא בתלמוד הבבלי 
be romanmized? I've checked two dictionaries, and these words were vocalized 
differently. My understanding is that OCLC also has this title romanized  in 
three ways! So, how should it really be?

Have fun!

Rachel
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[Heb-NACO] help identifying work, manifestation

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Dear safranim,


I am cataloging remotely what I believe is a pastiche of at least two different 
editions of the prayers for Shabat. The manifestation that I am working on 
would have been put together at least before 1926. The volume lacks any kind of 
publication or title information. I could not locate an online version of any 
of the printings.

My first hunch is that at least some of it comes from a multivolume set (5 
volumes?) published by Henry Frowde in London, edited by Moses Gaster, David de 
Sola. The text is in Hebrew and English on facing pages. I may be completely 
off track on this.

My hope and request is that at least one of you could supply me images of the 
following page numbers of volume 1. There are several printings (hard to say if 
they all match). I would like to see pages 44-45,129-128, 130, 163-164, 
171-172, 181-182. All or some, or even one of these pages could give me some 
guidance.

Any help that you can provide would be appreciated.

Thank you in advance. Sincerely, Heidi Lerner


Heidi G. Lerner, Stanford University Libraries, emerita
email: ler...@stanford.edu
ph: 650-740-4720
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Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization: דיוקן

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Hi, I don't have access to E-S at home so I checked my Alkalay:

It shows דיוקן  with a Sheva under the ד.

Does it appear in E-S with or without a Sheva under the ד?

If it appears with a Sheva what is the grammatical reason for the romanization 
is to be "dyoḳan".

Thanks, Heidi

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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 1:18 PM
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Hi, a friendly reminder that the above (foreign loan) word is romanized dyoḳan 
(not deyoḳan). For the 24 libraries with holdings on on 1293219371 (דיוקן של 
פרשן ר' אברהם אבן עזרא), you may wish to update your local records. The word is 
found

Hi, a friendly reminder that the above (foreign loan) word is romanized dyoḳan 
(not deyoḳan). For the 24 libraries with holdings on on 1293219371 (דיוקן של 
פרשן ר' אברהם אבן עזרא), you may wish to update your local records.



The word is found in the Romanization 
FAQ.
 Please let me know if there are any questions.



Thanks, Jasmin



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[Heb-NACO] relator term for someone who provides הסכמה to a religious, liturgical work

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Dear safranim,

Has anyone used a relator term in a bibliographic record for someone who 
provides an approbation or הסכמה  to a particular work or edition. I have 
perused thesaurii such as LC relator terms, AAT, RDA, and RBMS and have not 
found anything.

If we cannot locate anything should this be something we as a group might think 
about?

Thank you,

Heidi Lerner, Librarian Emerita
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[Heb-NACO] Thank you!!!

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Dear colleagues,

Thanks to all of you who responded to me so quickly with my recent query 
regarding an abbreviation. Somehow my searching in רעאשי תיבות proved very 
unsuccessful.

This help and support are what is so wonderful and perhaps even unique among so 
many of our colleagues.

Wishing all a peaceful Thanksgiving-- especially during these very, very 
difficult days.

Sincerely, Heidi Lerner
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[Heb-NACO] help identifying word?

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Dear safranim,

I am cataloging v. 4 (Seder ḥamishah tạaniyot = סדר חמשה תעניות) of Seder 
tefilot (Amsterdam 1740).

The title page reads:

סדר חמשה תעניות : כמנהג ק״ק אמשטרדם יזיי״א

I cannot figure out what

יזיי"א

is or means.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

An image of the title page can be found in Google Books at:

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.google.com/books/edition/Seder_tefilot/7KBicAAJ?hl=en=1__;!!KGKeukY!22uZulzwsWmAN6ap8MmhcNV7FpnanOWrG9Csuaollxp0eqodrtZFCp91lm447n0QgPKzhkkmUvRUQmC-D0fpvp4$
 
[https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://books.google.com/books/content?id=7KBicAAJ=frontcover=1=1=curl=AFLRE73cSF0XVVaW_H7HAyyu76ASJ5tnNSChF3gM4uqzNCL8EfxsgQYpdsOdyIqfn2a53N4GXK9ce61o-_EUqVDpG4_Rakh_CVv0iXOtAW-V16tITcdaN7nBp6hGFmicsmk1gfsYxta7__;!!KGKeukY!22uZulzwsWmAN6ap8MmhcNV7FpnanOWrG9Csuaollxp0eqodrtZFCp91lm447n0QgPKzhkkmUvRUQmC-i8sYywM$
 
]
Seder 
tefilot
/
https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.google.com__;!!KGKeukY!22uZulzwsWmAN6ap8MmhcNV7FpnanOWrG9Csuaollxp0eqodrtZFCp91lm447n0QgPKzhkkmUvRUQmC-s8p6KG8$
 


Thanks, Heidi Lerner
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Re: [Heb-NACO] Motsa"e vs. Mots'e?

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Hi Caroline,



I don't have access rignt now to Even-Shoshan, so I cneck my Alkalay--

They offer:

Motsaʾe

Hopefully someone with an E̲-S will respond soon.

Best, Heidi

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Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 2:33 PM
To: HEB-NACO List Posting (heb-n...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu) 

Subject: [Heb-NACO] Motsa"e vs. Mots'e?

Hello, I’m trying to find the correct romanization for מוצאי as in “מוצאי שבת. 
” I see both “motsa’e” and “mots’e” in LC’s catalog. I checked the AJL 
romanization wiki and it’s not there. I did see that מדעי is correctly 
romanized as “mad’e”

Hello,



I’m trying to find the correct romanization for מוצאי as in “מוצאי שבת.”  I see 
both “motsa’e” and “mots’e” in LC’s catalog.  I checked the AJL romanization 
wiki and it’s not there.  I did see that מדעי is correctly romanized as “mad’e” 
so I was wondering whether this is a relevant example.



Thanks.



Caroline



Caroline R. Miller

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UCLA Library Resource Acquisitions and Metadata Services

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Re: [Heb-NACO] Yiddish romanization question

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Hi Caroline

My thought is that based on our current of HCM, I would romanize it as "Aḥosn"


"Use Weinreich and Niborski as guides for romanization of vowels and most 
consonants. However, differentiate between כ/ח and תּ/ט, כּ/ק with the 
underscore dots and transcribe final ה with an “h.” When Weinreich offers a 
choice of romanizations, the first is adopted. If a Hebrew two-word expression 
is written as two words in a Yiddish context, this spacing is imitated in the 
romanization. Hebrew Script Weinreich Niborski ALA-LC Romanization טוב יום 
YONTEV/YONTEF יאָנטעװ yon ṭev Kiper Yin יאָנקיפּער/יאָמקיפּער YONKIPER/YINKIPER 
יום כיפור הסופר עזרא -- -- Ezra ha-Soyfer.

I could not locate "חתן" in Weinrich so I went to Niborski.

Just my thoughts.

best, Heidi



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Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 9:36 AM
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Subject: [Heb-NACO] Yiddish romanization question

All, I have a Yiddish literary work published in Vilna in 1897. The first word 
in the title is אחתן with patah under א, kamats under both ח and ת. The copy I 
see for a later edition romanizes it as “Aḥos̀n” but I don’t know how the 
nikud appeared

All,



I have a Yiddish literary work published in Vilna in 1897.  The first word in 
the title is אחתן  with patah under א, kamats under both ח and ת.



The copy I see for a later edition romanizes it as “Aḥos̀n” but I don’t know 
how the nikud appeared on that piece.  Wouldn’t my piece be romanized 
“Aḥos̀on?” because of the two successively appearing kamatsim?



Wishing you all a happy Sukkot!



Caroline



Caroline R. Miller

Team Leader, Discovery Team

UCLA Library Resource Acquisitions and Metadata Services

2400 Life Sciences Building

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Re: [Heb-NACO] follow-up to my earlier email

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Ah, the vagaries of romanization..

That is the decades-old dichotomy.

That is why so many of us pushed the use of native scripts.


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica Emerita, Stanford University 
Libraries



From: Shinohara, Jasmin 
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2023 12:03 AM
To: Heidi G Lerner ; heb-naco 
Subject: Re: follow-up to my earlier email

The question is whether we expect catalogers to know these grammatical minutiae…

From: Heb-naco  on behalf of 
Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco 
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2023 10:47:41 PM
To: heb-naco 
Subject: [Heb-NACO] follow-up to my earlier email

When the beged-kefet letter is not at the beginning of a syllable, or, if it’s 
followed by any vowel (not just a long vowel), and in this case by the vowel 
which ends the first word of the construct), it loses its dagesh kal. Jasmin, 
In your

When the beged-kefet letter is not at the beginning of a syllable, or, if it’s 
followed by any vowel (not just a long vowel), and in this case by the vowel 
which ends the first word of the construct), it loses its dagesh kal.  Jasmin, 
In your examples, the “yod” at the end of שפתי, and the “hay” at the end of 
מראה, are not considered consonants, so the last vowels of each word do 
immediately precede the beged-kefet letter of the second word.


best, Heidi


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica Emerita, Stanford University 
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[Heb-NACO] follow-up to my earlier email

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

When the beged-kefet letter is not at the beginning of a syllable, or, if it’s 
followed by any vowel (not just a long vowel), and in this case by the vowel 
which ends the first word of the construct), it loses its dagesh kal.  Jasmin, 
In your examples, the “yod” at the end of שפתי, and the “hay” at the end of 
מראה, are not considered consonants, so the last vowels of each word do 
immediately precede the beged-kefet letter of the second word.


best, Heidi


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica Emerita, Stanford University 
Libraries

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Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanisation of בביזנטיון

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

This is an interesting discussion:


Her is my take:

Jamsin, the examples you listed are “constructs” of two nouns connected 
together, and when the first word of the construct ends with a long vowel, the 
following  letter, (in this case, the first letter of the second word), loses 
its dagesh, like it would within a single word.  I’m not one hundred percent 
sure if this happens consistently; there may be exceptions, but I believe this 
is the answer.
Unfortuantely, I could not find this documented anywhere. Cliff, or our other 
noted grammarians, could you please weigh in on my theory or take it one step 
further.

Heidi G. Lerner
Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica Emerita, Stanford University 
Libraries





From: Heb-naco  on behalf 
of Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco 
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2023 1:51 PM
To: Cliff Miller ; heb-naco ; Rose 
Shoshanah Seidman 
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanisation of בביזנטיון

Hi, Cliff. Yes, technically and ideally, you are correct. But expecting 
catalogers to know when a second word should aspirated would be expecting a 
knowledge of Hebrew grammar that is unrealistic for almost all of us. We 
suffice with knowledge

Hi, Cliff.



Yes, technically and ideally, you are correct. But expecting catalogers to know 
when a second word should aspirated would be expecting a knowledge of Hebrew 
grammar that is unrealistic for almost all of us. We suffice with knowledge of 
prefixes/little words and their impact on בג"ד כפ"ת/beged kefet, i.e., that it 
is correctly romanized bi-Vene.



Exceptions areמראה כהן  and שפתי כהן, Marʼeh Khohen and Śifte Khohen, 
respectively, which are from a piyut and a pasuk, respectively, so we try to 
follow the sources. But there are still plenty of records with Marʼeh/Śifte 
K/kohen…





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Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2023 10:14 AM
To: Rose Shoshanah Seidman ; Hebrew Name Authority 
Funnel 
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanisation of בביזנטיון



Did I overlook an obvious answer? I do not recall seeing anyone who suggested 
Bi-Vene Verak Ki-Vene Verak Li-Vene Verak Mi-Bene Verak Shouldn’t this be the 
accepted form? Rabbi Clifford B Miller, MLS, DD Home: [973] 228-3139 Library of 
the

Did I overlook an obvious answer?

I do not recall seeing anyone who suggested

Bi-Vene Verak

Ki-Vene Verak

Li-Vene Verak

Mi-Bene Verak



Shouldn’t this be the accepted form?



Rabbi Clifford B Miller, MLS, DD   Home: [973] 228-3139

Library of the Jewish Theological Seminary


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Re: [Heb-NACO] A question on Sacred works

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Hi Haim,
The definition for religious iwork" in the updated RDA Toolkit is a much looser 
definition than in the first iteration:

"
Religious work

A work that is held sacred by a religion and its followers, or a work that has 
a direct association with a sacred work.

See also: liturgical work"


Original Toolkit


See A.17.8

Old Testament

Five Scrolls

Historical Books

Minor Prophets

etc.

My sense is that ultimately it will depend onwhich version of RDA you are 
currently utilizing. I would speculate that after the complete adoption of the 
new edition that the decision of what is included will depend on individual 
religious communities to develop best practices If we go by EJ they consider 
Kaballah as  emodying "mysticism and esoterica. "As such, I would not consider 
it a "sacred work" even under the new version of the Toolkit. But that is just 
my opinion, this should ultimate be discussed and decided up on by the AJL RAS 
Cataloging Commitee.

Thanks, Heidi








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Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica Emerita, Stanford University 
Libraries



From: Heb-naco  on behalf of Gottschalk, Haim 
via Heb-naco 
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2023 6:56 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
Subject: [Heb-NACO] A question on Sacred works

Hi Hevre, Does Sacred works include works about the Kabbala or Kabbalistic 
texts? The question has to do with the subdivision of Introductions. All my 
best, Haim _ Haim A. Gottschalk Hebraica and Judaica Cataloging 
Librarian

Hi Hevre,



Does Sacred works include works about the Kabbala or Kabbalistic texts? The 
question has to do with the subdivision of Introductions.



All my best,

Haim



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[Heb-NACO] help with vocalizing, meaning of Aramaic word

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Hi,

I am cataloging a document related to ketubot and within is a word (Aramaic?)

"דאירכסא".

I have tried to locate a vocalized form of the word via Sefaria, checked 
Jastrow for meaning/vocalization
and I cannot find anything to clarify.

Any help on transcription and meaning, as well as the root of the word will be 
greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance,

Heidi Lerner



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Re: [Heb-NACO] Online Ladino reference resources?

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Hi Lili,

That is a good question with a less than satisfactory answer. Unfortunately 
Ladino does not have a standard orthography and lacks a single authoritative or 
normative dictionary to be employed for the romanization of Ladino.

For words of Hebrew/Aramaic derivation, as per the ALA/LC table we generally 
romanize them according to the ALA/LC table for Hebrew.

I don't remember if I ever came across a word that was taken from Turkish or 
Arabic. Certainly for those I would consult with Asuman and Magda.

I strongly encourage you to read the article by Zachary Baker "Some Problems of 
Ladino/Judezmo Romanization) that appeared in Judaica Librarianship v. 9, 
v.1/2, p. 48

The best recommendation is for words emanating from the Spanish, use a good 
standard Spanish dictdionary. In the above-mentioned article Zachary offers 
some for other resoureces on help with romanization (Baker, p. 53-54). SUL 
should have these and I would encourage you to check them out or order if 
available.

My best wishes for a lovely time off and Happy Hanukah!!!
Sincerely, Heidi


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica Emerita, Stanford University 
Libraries



From: Heb-naco  on behalf 
of Lili Brown via Heb-naco 
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 3:04 PM
To: heb-naco@lists.osu.edu 
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Online Ladino reference resources?

Hi all, I’m new to the world of Hebraica cataloging (started at Stanford in 
September!) and am curious if folks have any recommendations for online 
reference resources that they use when romanizing Ladino. I’m working on 
ordering

Hi all,



I’m new to the world of Hebraica cataloging (started at Stanford in September!) 
and am curious if folks have any recommendations for online reference resources 
that they use when romanizing Ladino. I’m working on ordering the physical 
dictionaries that the ALA/LC romanization chart lists, but I’m hoping that 
there is an online tool I can access in the meantime.



Thanks in advance for your time and suggestions!



Best,

Lili



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Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

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Re: [Heb-NACO] ALA/LC romanization(?) for Aramic as used in Babylonian Talmud, Talmud Yerushalmi, midrashitc texts

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Thanks Haim for sharing your practice. We follow similar steps.

I am also concerned about the following phrase "The following romanization 
table attempts to represent the sound of Hebrew or Yiddish words but is 
applicable to all Hebraic languages."

With the addition of the ALA/LC Judeo-Arabic and Ladino romanization tables, 
the statement "is applicable to all Hebraic languages" is not only misleading, 
but in correct.


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica Emerita, Stanford University 
Libraries



From: Gottschalk, Haim 
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2022 9:23 AM
To: Heidi G Lerner ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: RE: [Heb-NACO] ALA/LC romanization(?) for Aramic as used in Babylonian 
Talmud, Talmud Yerushalmi, midrashitc texts


With respect to the vocalization of Aramaic words, I looked at a few sources – 
after ES or Alkalay – I start with Jastrow and if not found, I would then 
search in Sefaria and Wikitext, which gives me the citation and then I follow 
this with the (physical) Koren Talmud and then the (physical) Artscroll Talmud.



Haim



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Talmud, Talmud Yerushalmi, midrashitc texts



Dear safranim, Is it possible that in our years of developing romanization 
schemata for several Jewish languages written in Hebrew script we have not 
codified any guidelines for Aramaic used in talmudic and 
midrashic/aggadic/cabalistic texts?

Dear safranim,



Is it possible that in our years of developing romanization schemata for 
several Jewish languages written in Hebrew script we have not codified any 
guidelines for Aramaic used in talmudic and midrashic/aggadic/cabalistic  texts?



Up until now my practice has been to follow the ALA/LC table for Hebrew. If I 
don't find a particular Aramaic word in  Even-Shoshan or Alkalay, i turn to 
Jastrow,  Sefaria, Comprehensive Aramaic Lexicon (covers all dialects).



What have the rest of you been doing? Should a preferred  method be codified?



I look forward to learning your practices have been.



Best, Heidi







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[Heb-NACO] ALA/LC romanization(?) for Aramic as used in Babylonian Talmud, Talmud Yerushalmi, midrashitc texts

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Dear safranim,

Is it possible that in our years of developing romanization schemata for 
several Jewish languages written in Hebrew script we have not codified any 
guidelines for Aramaic used in talmudic and midrashic/aggadic/cabalistic  texts?

Up until now my practice has been to follow the ALA/LC table for Hebrew. If I 
don't find a particular Aramaic word in  Even-Shoshan or Alkalay, i turn to 
Jastrow,  Sefaria, Comprehensive Aramaic Lexicon (covers all dialects).

What have the rest of you been doing? Should a preferred  method be codified?

I look forward to learning your practices have been.

Best, Heidi




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Re: [Heb-NACO] Standard citation forms of reference sources for rare Hebraica/Judaica materials

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Hi Caroline,

I think that your query is a very good one. If in your cataloging workflows, 
you don't come across an existing form for a particular bibliographical 
resource (such as Yudlov, Yaari, Steinscneider, Vinograd ... et al.) you could 
start by submitting a proposal at the following website; 
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://rbms.info/scf/submit/__;!!KGKeukY!xwuZfKxAIeSAmUuTSsbzpfNd9RhUfqaQFl58OwRBAfCInnDW0yLg4R0YrOXulCYTp2_aAiZ0aidfo3igsGzq3es$
  . Similar to what we do for Library of Congress subject heading proposals. 
Perhaps the AJL RAS Cataloging Wiki could also maintain a spreadsheet of these 
proposals (noting those which are accepted and vice verso).

Best, Heidi




Heidi G. Lerner

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From: Heb-naco  on behalf 
of Miller, Caroline via Heb-naco 
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2022 9:58 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Standard citation forms of reference sources for rare 
Hebraica/Judaica materials

All, I’m looking for a list of standard citation forms for reference sources 
for rare Hebraica/Judaica materials that don’t already appear in the Rare Books 
and Manuscripts Section of the Association of College and Research Libraries’ 
database

All,



I’m looking for a list of standard citation forms for reference sources for 
rare Hebraica/Judaica materials that don’t already appear in the Rare Books and 
Manuscripts Section of the Association of College and Research Libraries’ 
database of Standard Citation Forms for Rare Materials Cataloging:  
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I found a record for a Haggadah recently cataloged by LC (2020) that had two 
citations (in a 500 note, not a 510 note where I would expect) to resources 
that weren’t listed in the RBMS publication.  OCLC # 1248602184.  The two 
sources were:  Yaʻari 1249 AND Yudlov 1657 which, it turns out, were 
specifically devoted to Hagadot.  Abraham Ya’ari wrote several bibliographies 
but none of them were in the RBMS publication.



I also checked the AJL Cataloging wiki and couldn’t find what I needed.  I 
don’t know how many of you are doing rare book cataloging (Haim???).  It would 
be helpful to have such a list.



Thanks.



Caroline



Caroline R. Miller

Team Leader, Discovery Team

UCLA Library Resource Acquisitions and Metadata Services

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[Heb-NACO] documentation on cataloging manuscripts in non-Latn scripts

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Dear safranim,

I have been asked to discuss cataloging practices and guidelines for 
manuscripts and manuscript codices in non-Latin scripts. I have not been able 
to locate online any such documentation that is dedicated specifically to 
non-print, unique items that are handwritten.

I am most eager to learn if any of you are familiar with such a resource(s). 
These can be either internal documentation or a standard that has been 
developed that serves a similar function to the PCC Guidelines for Creating 
Bibliographic Records in Multiple Character Sets.

Thank you in advance for any help that you can provide.

Sincerely,

Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica Emerita, Stanford University 
Libraries

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Re: [Heb-NACO] To heb-naco@lists.osu.edu re.: new tool from the Academy of the Hebrew Language

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Shalom מקלגים,

I have relied most of my romanization life  on Even-Shoshan, Alkali, and לוח 
השמות, לוח הפעלים and for words like קוקטיל Rav-milim/Melingo Morfix.

And קוקטיל does appears in my copy of Alkalay that I have had since the 1960s-- 
(I don't have a copy ot E̲S at home to check)but I would assume it is there as 
well).

I am certain though that the Academy is not interested foreign loan words as 
part of their mission.. no  three letter "שורש" found in foreign loan words.

Leave that to Dan Ben-Amots and his already very outdated tome: מילון עולמי 
לעברית מדוברת


שבת שלום. היידי


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica Emerita, Stanford University 
Libraries



From: Heb-naco  on behalf of Kohn, Roger via 
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Sent: Friday, October 28, 2022 11:46 AM
To: heb-naco@lists.osu.edu 
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the Hebrew Language

--- Dear colleagues, I am wondering if in the future, these tools should 
replace our reliance on Even Shoshan to establish the proper romanization. 
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Dear colleagues,



I am wondering if in the future, these tools should replace our reliance on 
Even Shoshan to establish the proper romanization.



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I could not find in it “קוקטיל” which I think I remember was a topic of our 
discussions some years ago.



But I found צְדָפִים



Thanks in advance for your response.



All the best,



.-r.



Roger Kohn

Library of Congress

LCSG/DPS/ABA/ASME/IJ

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Re: [Heb-NACO] help with book

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Hi Shoshanh,

It might be from "ha-Adamah" shanah 2, ḥoveret 7.

I don't have physical access to the item but I did check it on Hathi Trust.

Just a guess.

Congratulations on your upcoming retirements.

Warmly, Heidi


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Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica Emerita, Stanford University 
Libraries



From: Heb-naco  on behalf of Rose Shoshanah 
Seidman via Heb-naco 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 9:06 AM
To: heb-naco@lists.osu.edu 
Subject: [Heb-NACO] help with book

Hi dear colleagues: I just received a book in Hebrew that was on our supervisor 
desk. The book has no title page. It starts with page 1 and goes to page 480. 
No running title. There is a poem title Medurot Aviv on page 1. The first story 
on
Hi dear colleagues:

I just received a book in Hebrew that was on our supervisor desk.  The book has 
no title page.  It starts with page 1 and goes to page 480.  No running title.  
There is a poem title Medurot Aviv on page 1.  The first story on page 2 is 
Yeshimon.
Page 46: le-heker teva' ha-mahapekhot (Terrorismus und Kommunismus)
Page 61: Binyanah shel Erets Yisra'el

Can someone guess what the title and author are?

Thanks a lot.  I am retiring next week and I want to leave clean shelves in my 
office.

Shoshanah
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[Heb-NACO] ease of cataloging Hebrew records into ALEPH

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Hi there,

The only systems that I have cataloged directly into are RLIN and OClC, then 
exporting records into our local system SIRSI. SIRSI was woefully inadequate 
for editing or cataloging Hebrew records directly into it.

For those of you who are currently using ALEPH as your local system, could you 
please let me know if you do the majority of our cataloging directly int ALEPH 
or into OCLC (and then export).

Thanks, Heidi


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Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - Re: Sacred work

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Yes, we do  not put commentaries under liturgy.

As  per LCSH:

Commentaries   
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Use as a form subdivision under uniform titles of sacred works for commentaries 
on those works.
Use as a topical subdivision under uniform titles of sacred works for works 
about commentaries on those works.



Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu


From: Heb-naco  on behalf of Marlene Schiffman 
via Heb-naco 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2021 9:00 AM
To: Neil Manel Frau-Cortes ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - Re: Sacred work


I might be like Haggadah which does not take “Commentaries.” Only bible and 
Talmud do. That was my understanding.



Marlene Schiffman

Metadata and Services Department

Gottesman Library

Yeshiva University

500 West 185th Street

New York, N.Y. 10033



Gottesman Library

Room 301

646 592 4276



From: Heb-naco  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Monday, January 25, 2021 8:21 AM
To: Heidi G Lerner ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: [EXT] - Re: [Heb-NACO] Sacred work



**External Email**

I think this is a great question, and probably the fruit of applying an 
anglocentric category to a body of literature that doesn't match. We should 
consider if anything we call sifre kodesh is actually a sacred text in the 
spirit of the LC category.



That said, even inside of the sphere of sifre kodesh, I think that the Zohar is 
major, called Zohar ha-kadosh, which is a qualificative we don't find applied 
to many other rabbinic works. This brings me to the question: what else is 
Sacred Texts in our cannon? Other than the Tanakh, should we include the Talmud 
(Mishnah, Tosefta?)? I wouldn't include the midrash as a number of rishonim, 
like Duran, consider it to be holy, yet "not to be taken literally." Yet, the 
Zohar is midrashic in nature. It's all a conundrum. If people are interested, 
perhaps we can talk more about that in our RAS Cataloging Summer meeting, since 
the Winter's agenda is already quite full.



On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 11:47 PM Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote:

Hi all,



I have a question: for purposes of correct application of LC Subject Heading 
Manual and RDA, is the Zohar considered a Sacred work.



Thanks , Heidi



Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

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fax: 650-725-1120

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Re: [Heb-NACO] Sacred work

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Thanks  Neil and Gabriel

The reason for the question is the correct use of the LCSH subdivision: 
Introductions.

According to SHM this subdivision is to only be used under Sacred works.

Based on what Neil and Gabriel say, I will not use it in the record for that i 
am working on (a Hebrew translation to the introduction of the Zohar).

That being said: According to RDA (Original Toolkit)  Talmud would also be 
considered a Sacred  work (RDA 6.23.2.5); along with Bible.

Midrash would not.

Thanks, Heidi




Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu


From: Neil Manel Frau-Cortes 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2021 5:20 AM
To: Heidi G Lerner ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Sacred work

I think this is a great question, and probably the fruit of applying an 
anglocentric category to a body of literature that doesn't match. We should 
consider if anything we call sifre kodesh is actually a sacred text in the 
spirit of the LC category.

That said, even inside of the sphere of sifre kodesh, I think that the Zohar is 
major, called Zohar ha-kadosh, which is a qualificative we don't find applied 
to many other rabbinic works. This brings me to the question: what else is 
Sacred Texts in our cannon? Other than the Tanakh, should we include the Talmud 
(Mishnah, Tosefta?)? I wouldn't include the midrash as a number of rishonim, 
like Duran, consider it to be holy, yet "not to be taken literally." Yet, the 
Zohar is midrashic in nature. It's all a conundrum. If people are interested, 
perhaps we can talk more about that in our RAS Cataloging Summer meeting, since 
the Winter's agenda is already quite full.

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 11:47 PM Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote:
Hi all,

I have a question: for purposes of correct application of LC Subject Heading 
Manual and RDA, is the Zohar considered a Sacred work.

Thanks , Heidi


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu<mailto:ler...@stanford.edu>

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Phone (301) 405-9337

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Re: [Heb-NACO] Sacred work

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Hi Bob,

Thanks for your response which makes total sense.

As a matter of fact, in the new version of the Toolkit

the term "Sacred scriptures" does not appear.

What we do  have is "Religious works" in definitions which is vague.

religious work

A work that is held sacred by a religion and its followers, or a work that has 
a direct association with a sacred work.


Best, Heidi


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Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

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ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu


From: Robert M. TALBOTT 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2021 7:51 AM
To: Heidi G Lerner ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Sacred work

Hi Heidi:

Outside of the obvious sacred works, I think it's up to the individual library 
to decide what gets treated as a sacred work and what doesn't since there isn't 
an official list.  For my money, the Zohar is not a sacred text.  Important, 
intriguing, wrapped in mystery and goof-ball Aramaic, and unmistakably one of 
Judaism's greatest hits, yes, but not sacred in a global sense the way the 
Bible, the Mishnah, the Talmud et al. are.  LC agrees.  Do a subject search in 
LC's catalog under "zohar" and you'll discover that there are 265 instances of 
63000 Zohar and only one 63000 Zohar $v Commentaries.

Still, we live in an age of "do what you feel" so whatever you decide is best 
for your library is in fact best for your library.

My two cents.

Bob

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 8:47 PM Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote:
Hi all,

I have a question: for purposes of correct application of LC Subject Heading 
Manual and RDA, is the Zohar considered a Sacred work.

Thanks , Heidi


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu<mailto:ler...@stanford.edu>

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Re: [Heb-NACO] upcoming retirement

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Dear Haim,

Thank you.

It has only been a pleasure watching you grow professionally and contributing 
so much to the profession. I keep remembering when you first came by to talk to 
me after you met with Roger, that was 30 years ago. And today a member of 
Library of Congress.

That is what for is "shlepping naches."

Warmly,


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu


From: Gottschalk, Haim 
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:58 AM
To: Heidi G Lerner ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
; Hasafran 
Subject: RE: upcoming retirement


Dear Heidi,



I can’t thank you enough for introducing me to cataloging so many years ago. 
You’ve been a great influence to me. I am truly grateful.



I wish you much happiness and joy as you move into your new phase in life.



Sincerely,

Haim



From: Heb-naco  On Behalf Of Heidi 
G Lerner via Heb-naco
Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2021 3:43 PM
To: Hasafran ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: [Heb-NACO] upcoming retirement



Dear safranim,



I want to let you know that I will retire from my position as the Metadata 
Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica at Stanford University Libraries during the 
mid- to late Spring, 2021. The past thirty one years of the sharing of 
learning,  knowledge and professional practices among our community have been 
extraordinary. I am not sure if such collegiality and synergies exist among 
other library communities.



So many of the professional relationships that I developed over this period 
have crossed over into personal friendships that will continue to last long 
after I officially leave.



My warmest wishes, appreciation and thanks to the entire Association of Jewish 
Libraries for being a foundation of my professional growth and life.



Sincerely, Heidi Lerner











Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

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[Heb-NACO] upcoming retirement

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Dear safranim,

I want to let you know that I will retire from my position as the Metadata 
Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica at Stanford University Libraries during the 
mid- to late Spring, 2021. The past thirty one years of the sharing of 
learning,  knowledge and professional practices among our community have been 
extraordinary. I am not sure if such collegiality and synergies exist among 
other library communities.

So many of the professional relationships that I developed over this period 
have crossed over into personal friendships that will continue to last long 
after I officially leave.

My warmest wishes, appreciation and thanks to the entire Association of Jewish 
Libraries for being a foundation of my professional growth and life.

Sincerely, Heidi Lerner






Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

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Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - Re: Wikidata training

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Hi Neil, I am interested. I am already working on a project with Wikidata but 
do count me int.

Best, Heidi


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Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu


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Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 12:08 PM
To: Benamou, Sharon ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - Re: Wikidata training


Will you be sending out a list of the RAS members and their terms?



Marlene Schiffman

Judaica Cataloger

Gottesman Library

Yeshiva University

500 West 185th Street

New York, N.Y. 10033



Gottesman Library

Room 301

646 592 4276



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Subject: [EXT] - Re: [Heb-NACO] Wikidata training



**External Email**

Hi Neil,

I am interested. We have a project going at work but I would be happy to take 
part in an AJL project.



Sharon



Sharon Benamou
Hebraica/Judaica and Music Catalog Librarian
Email: bena...@library.ucla.edu<mailto:bena...@library.ucla.edu>
Phone: (310) 825-8642



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Hi, Neil,

I would be interested in the wikidata training. I no longer catalog Hebrew 
materials but I do quite a bit of special collections cataloging and I'm 
interested in learning more about identity management.
Thanks.

Nancy
U of Hawaii

On 9/10/2020 2:59 AM, Neil Manel Frau-Cortes via Heb-naco wrote:

Dear all,



Following our conversation at the AJL conference, I wanted to touch base 
regarding an initiative.



As you know UMD has just started several projects for Special Collections that 
use Wikidata as the authority management platform. In the last few months we 
have been training a small group of our catalogers, briefly reviewed their 
progress, and involved them in the projects. The projects are also part of the 
PCC WIkidata pilot program.



At this point there are a few more UMD people that have manifested interest in 
going through the same training, which is essentially a 90 minutes session 
taught by Sarah Hovde and myself. We are pondering expanding this to other 
institutions. I wanted to check with the Hebraica cataloger community and see 
if enough people would be interested either in joining our small UMD cohort or 
organizing a separate, Judaica specific group. Please share your thoughts on 
this.



A quick additional note regarding the RAS cataloging committee: we are closing 
down on membership. At this point we are still missing one member and we hope 
to ultimate details in a few weeks. Once everything is settled, we are 
considering having a Winter zoom meeting in addition to the annual. We'll keep 
you posted.



Looking forward to the New Year, which we hope to be much better!



Kol tuv, Shannah Tovah.



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Supervisor for Non-Roman and Special Collections Cataloging



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Phone (301) 405-9337

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Re: [Heb-NACO] questions on chronograms in Hebrew script

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

It depends on which rules you follow. There are differences betwen DCRM, RDA 
and A2

In DCRMB chronograms are optional but do can go in a note.

RDA LC-PCC PS

LC-PCC PS for 
2.8.6.4[http://access.rdatoolkit.org/images/rdalink.png]<http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp2=rda2-6858#rda2-6858>
ALTERNATIVE
LC practice/PCC practice for Alternative: Record a supplied date in numerals 
instead of giving the chronogram





Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu


From: Galron, Joseph 
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 4:19 PM
To: Heidi G Lerner ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
; DCRM Users' Group 
Subject: RE: questions on chronograms in Hebrew script


I would transcribe the 264 field as follows: [Place] : [Publisher/Printer], 
ע'ל' מ'ש'פ'ט'ו' ישב [495=1734 or 1735]



I am not sure we need a 500 field







יוסי גלרון-גולדשלגר

טלפון נייד 1.614.805.9954



Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger
Head, Hebraica & Jewish Studies 
Library<http://guides.osu.edu/c.php?g=337806=2274681>
and German Language and Literature Librarian
305 G Thompson Memorial Library
The Ohio State University Libraries
1858 Neil Ave. Mall
Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA
Tel.: (614) 292-3362, Fax: (614)292-1918
Mobile: (614) 805-9954
E-Mail: galro...@osu.edu<mailto:galro...@osu.edu> or 
jgal...@gmail.com<mailto:jgal...@gmail.com>

Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature:
http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit

Union List of Digitized Jewish Historic Newspapers and Periodicals
http://go.osu.edu/jpress







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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 3:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] questions on chronograms in Hebrew script



Dear rare book catalogers,



I am for the first time providing a chronogram for a pre-1800 Hebrew book in a 
note field in both transliteration and native script:



We do not have any official guidelines in current Hebraica RDA cataloging 
documentation for recreating a chronogram from a resource so I am emulating how 
it would be recorded in Bibliography of the Hebrew book.



For the work that I am currently working on I have done it in the following 
manner:



500 Date of publication derived from chronogram: ע’ל’ מ’ש’פ’ט’ו’ ישב



500 Date of publication derived from chronogram: ʻA.l' m'i'sh'p'a'ṭo yeshev



I would greatly appreciate any feedback from experienced rare book catalogers.



Sincerely, Heidi Lerner



Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu<mailto:ler...@stanford.edu>
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Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization question

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

thanks!!

Good we are all on the same page!


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu


From: Neil Manel Frau-Cortes 
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:02 PM
To: Shinohara, Jasmin ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Cc: Heidi G Lerner 
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization question

I agree with Jasmin.


Neil

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 4:08 PM Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote:

Yes, with the addition of the alif diacritic, mit’agdim. The sheva under the 
gimel would be naʻ because it has a dagesh, but per HCM-RDA, it’s ignored in 
ALA-LC romanizaztion.



Kol tuv, Jasmin



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Subject: [Heb-NACO] romanization question



Hi all,



The verb "מתאגדים"



I believe that it would be romanized as:



"mitagdim"  as per RDA Hebraica



The first and most easily definable of these categories is the sheṿa occurring 
between the second and third consonants of the plural forms of benoni 
(participles, nouns, etc. having the same vowel pattern) and other verb forms 
of the pa‘al/ḳal, pi‘el, and hitpa‘el binyanim (stems), including all sheṿas 
following consonants with dagesh ḥazaḳ

Any agreement or disagreement would be greatly appreciated





I look forward to hearing from those  who agree and those who don't.



Thanks, Heidi



Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

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fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu<mailto:ler...@stanford.edu>

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Senior Catalog Librarian

Supervisor for Non-Roman and Special Collections Cataloging


University of Maryland

2200 McKeldin Library

College Park, MD 20742

Phone (301) 405-9337

nf...@umd.edu<http://nf...@umd.edu>

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Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization question

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Thank you


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu


From: Shinohara, Jasmin 
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 1:05 PM
To: Heidi G Lerner ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: RE: romanization question


Yes, with the addition of the alif diacritic, mit’agdim. The sheva under the 
gimel would be naʻ because it has a dagesh, but per HCM-RDA, it’s ignored in 
ALA-LC romanizaztion.



Kol tuv, Jasmin



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Heb-naco
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:59 PM
To: heb-naco@lists.osu.edu
Subject: [Heb-NACO] romanization question



Hi all,



The verb "מתאגדים"



I believe that it would be romanized as:



"mitagdim"  as per RDA Hebraica



The first and most easily definable of these categories is the sheṿa occurring 
between the second and third consonants of the plural forms of benoni 
(participles, nouns, etc. having the same vowel pattern) and other verb forms 
of the pa‘al/ḳal, pi‘el, and hitpa‘el binyanim (stems), including all sheṿas 
following consonants with dagesh ḥazaḳ

Any agreement or disagreement would be greatly appreciated





I look forward to hearing from those  who agree and those who don't.



Thanks, Heidi



Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu<mailto:ler...@stanford.edu>
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[Heb-NACO] romanization question

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Hi all,

The verb "מתאגדים"

I believe that it would be romanized as:

"mitagdim"  as per RDA Hebraica

The first and most easily definable of these categories is the sheṿa occurring 
between the second and third consonants of the plural forms of benoni 
(participles, nouns, etc. having the same vowel pattern) and other verb forms 
of the pa‘al/ḳal, pi‘el, and hitpa‘el binyanim (stems), including all sheṿas 
following consonants with dagesh ḥazaḳ
Any agreement or disagreement would be greatly appreciated



I look forward to hearing from those  who agree and those who don't.


Thanks, Heidi


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

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Re: [Heb-NACO] Fwd: RDA Toolkit appendix B.10 (Hebrew and Yiddish abbreviations)

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Hi Bob,

Certainly abbreviations may be used in 670s in LCNAF; it is cataloger's 
discrection on whether or not to use them (unless you are transcribing data 
cited from a resource; see NACO Participant's manual

It says "abbreviations MAY" be used on p. 74, 79, 105

Best, Heidi


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu


From: Heb-naco  on behalf of Robert M. TALBOTT 
via Heb-naco 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:51 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Fwd: RDA Toolkit appendix B.10 (Hebrew and Yiddish 
abbreviations)

Folks:

So far as I know, abbreviations are still used for 642s in authorities.  
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Bob

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 2:13 PM Rita Lifton via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote:

As they appear in the resource.



Rita Lifton

Cataloger

Library of The Jewish Theological Seminary



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Subject: [Heb-NACO] Fwd: RDA Toolkit appendix B.10 (Hebrew and Yiddish 
abbreviations)



Dear all,



See below. What do you think about Ahava's question? My impression is that we 
are not replacing terms on a resource by abbreviations under RDA (certainly not 
at Maryland).



Thanks,





Neil

-- Forwarded message -
From: Ahava Cohen mailto:ahava.co...@nli.org.il>>
Date: Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 1:59 PM
Subject: RDA Toolkit appendix B.10 (Hebrew and Yiddish abbreviations)
To: a...@loc.gov<mailto:a...@loc.gov> mailto:a...@loc.gov>>, Neil 
Manel Frau-Cortes mailto:nf...@umd.edu>>



Shalom,



As the RDA Steering Committee finishes up work on 3R, they've been discussing 
the appendices in the current Toolkit. I've asked, and been granted permission, 
to have the largest Hebraica cataloging policy bodies (AJL, LC, and NLI) make a 
recommendation about the fate of the Hebrew and Yiddish abbreviation appendix.



The Latin script abbreviations are all for recorded elements. So the question 
about our appendix is:

Are the abbreviations specified used in recorded elements or do they belong to 
transcribed elements?



If we're talking recorded elements – things that you consistently change from 
what's on the resource (as we used to change edition statements to ed. or 
מהד'), the appendix needs to stay. If all the terms are found in transcribed 
elements, those we copy from the resource, then the list more properly belongs 
as a resource in the AJL documentation than as a mandate in the Toolkit. In 
Israel we don't use any of these terms in recorded elements.



Here's the list:



[cid:1739c8b10814cff311]



Do you know of cataloging agencies which would replace the term used on a 
resource with the abbreviation when creating a record?



Kol tuv,



-  Ahava





[cid:1739c8b10825b006a2]<http://www.nli.org.il/>



Dr. Ahava Cohen|Head

Hebrew Catalogue Department

Mobile: +972-54-549-3644

Tel.:  +972-74-733-6231

The National Library of Israel, Jerusalem

ahava.co...@nli.org.il<mailto:ahava.co...@nli.org.il>  |  
www.nli.org.il<http://web.nli.org.il/sites/NLI/English/Pages/default.aspx>

[cid:1739c8b1082692e333]<http://www.facebook.com/NationalLibraryIsrael>  
[cid:1739c8b10837745b44] <http://www.youtube.com/user/NLI2010/featured>   
[cid:1739c8b1083855d355] <http://instagram.com/nli_israel>   
[cid:1739c8b10839374b66] 
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/64126959@N03/collections/>








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Senior Catalog Librarian

Supervisor for Non-Roman and Special Collections Cataloging



University of Maryland

2200 McKeldin Library

College Park, MD 20742

Phone (301) 405-9337

nf...@umd.edu<http://nf...@umd.edu>

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UC Berkeley

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Re: [Heb-NACO] Fwd: RDA Toolkit appendix B.10 (Hebrew and Yiddish abbreviations)

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Mea culpa - I was reading e-mail too quickly...

Yes, as it says in RDA LC-PCC PS 24.6.1.3

PCC practice: Record numerals in series numbering in the authorized access 
point as Arabic numerals. Abbreviate terms used as part of the numbering as 
instructed in RDA Appendix 
B[https://access.rdatoolkit.org/images/rdalink.png]<https://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdaappb>.
 Substitute one form of abbreviation with the prescribed abbreviation.  If 
Appendix B does not provide an abbreviation in the language of the series, base 
the caption for the authorized access point on the form found on the resource; 
prefer the abbreviated form if the resource has both an abbreviated and 
spelled-out form.






Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu


From: Robert M. TALBOTT 
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 1:35 PM
To: Heidi G Lerner 
Cc: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Fwd: RDA Toolkit appendix B.10 (Hebrew and Yiddish 
abbreviations)

It's helpful to know that one has the option of using judgement in a 670, but I 
was talking about 642s in SARs.

B

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 12:49 PM Heidi G Lerner 
mailto:ler...@stanford.edu>> wrote:
Hi Bob,

Certainly abbreviations may be used in 670s in LCNAF; it is cataloger's 
discrection on whether or not to use them (unless you are transcribing data 
cited from a resource; see NACO Participant's manual

It says "abbreviations MAY" be used on p. 74, 79, 105

Best, Heidi


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu<mailto:ler...@stanford.edu>


From: Heb-naco 
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behalf of Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:51 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Fwd: RDA Toolkit appendix B.10 (Hebrew and Yiddish 
abbreviations)

Folks:

So far as I know, abbreviations are still used for 642s in authorities.  
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Bob

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 2:13 PM Rita Lifton via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote:

As they appear in the resource.



Rita Lifton

Cataloger

Library of The Jewish Theological Seminary



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 On Behalf Of Neil Manel Frau-Cortes via Heb-naco
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:11 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
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Subject: [Heb-NACO] Fwd: RDA Toolkit appendix B.10 (Hebrew and Yiddish 
abbreviations)



Dear all,



See below. What do you think about Ahava's question? My impression is that we 
are not replacing terms on a resource by abbreviations under RDA (certainly not 
at Maryland).



Thanks,





Neil

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From: Ahava Cohen mailto:ahava.co...@nli.org.il>>
Date: Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 1:59 PM
Subject: RDA Toolkit appendix B.10 (Hebrew and Yiddish abbreviations)
To: a...@loc.gov<mailto:a...@loc.gov> mailto:a...@loc.gov>>, Neil 
Manel Frau-Cortes mailto:nf...@umd.edu>>



Shalom,



As the RDA Steering Committee finishes up work on 3R, they've been discussing 
the appendices in the current Toolkit. I've asked, and been granted permission, 
to have the largest Hebraica cataloging policy bodies (AJL, LC, and NLI) make a 
recommendation about the fate of the Hebrew and Yiddish abbreviation appendix.



The Latin script abbreviations are all for recorded elements. So the question 
about our appendix is:

Are the abbreviations specified used in recorded elements or do they belong to 
transcribed elements?



If we're talking recorded elements – things that you consistently change from 
what's on the resource (as we used to change edition statements to ed. or 
מהד'), the appendix needs to stay. If all the terms are found in transcribed 
elements, those we copy from the resource, then the list more properly belongs 
as a resource in the AJL documentation than as a mandate in the Toolkit. In 
Israel we don't use any of these terms in recorded elements.



Here's the list:



[cid:173a16d944e4cff311]



Do you know of cataloging agencies which would replace the term used on a 
resource with the abbreviation when creating a record?



Kol tuv,



-  Ahava





[cid:173a16d944f5b006a2]<http://www.nli.org.il/>



Dr. Ahava Cohen|Head

Hebrew Catalogue Department

Mobile: +972-54-549-3644

Tel.:  +972-74-733-6231

The National Library of Israel, Jerusalem

ahava.co...@nli.org.il<mailto:ahava.co...@nli.org.il>  |  
www.nli.org.il<http://web.nli.org.il/sites/NLI/Engl

Re: [Heb-NACO] Fwd: RDA Toolkit appendix B.10 (Hebrew and Yiddish abbreviations)

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

We follow RDA LC-PCC PS guidelines as recorded in the Toolkit at Stanford.

Thanks, Heidi


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu


From: Heb-naco  on behalf 
of Gottschalk, Haim via Heb-naco 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 9:29 AM
To: Neil Manel Frau-Cortes ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Fwd: RDA Toolkit appendix B.10 (Hebrew and Yiddish 
abbreviations)


We transcribe the abbreviations as they appear in the resource.



Haim



From: Heb-naco  On Behalf Of Neil 
Manel Frau-Cortes via Heb-naco
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 10:11 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Fwd: RDA Toolkit appendix B.10 (Hebrew and Yiddish 
abbreviations)



Dear all,



See below. What do you think about Ahava's question? My impression is that we 
are not replacing terms on a resource by abbreviations under RDA (certainly not 
at Maryland).



Thanks,





Neil

-- Forwarded message -
From: Ahava Cohen mailto:ahava.co...@nli.org.il>>
Date: Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 1:59 PM
Subject: RDA Toolkit appendix B.10 (Hebrew and Yiddish abbreviations)
To: a...@loc.gov<mailto:a...@loc.gov> mailto:a...@loc.gov>>, Neil 
Manel Frau-Cortes mailto:nf...@umd.edu>>



Shalom,



As the RDA Steering Committee finishes up work on 3R, they've been discussing 
the appendices in the current Toolkit. I've asked, and been granted permission, 
to have the largest Hebraica cataloging policy bodies (AJL, LC, and NLI) make a 
recommendation about the fate of the Hebrew and Yiddish abbreviation appendix.



The Latin script abbreviations are all for recorded elements. So the question 
about our appendix is:

Are the abbreviations specified used in recorded elements or do they belong to 
transcribed elements?



If we're talking recorded elements – things that you consistently change from 
what's on the resource (as we used to change edition statements to ed. or 
מהד'), the appendix needs to stay. If all the terms are found in transcribed 
elements, those we copy from the resource, then the list more properly belongs 
as a resource in the AJL documentation than as a mandate in the Toolkit. In 
Israel we don't use any of these terms in recorded elements.



Here's the list:



[cid:image001.png@01D665A3.D7804270]



Do you know of cataloging agencies which would replace the term used on a 
resource with the abbreviation when creating a record?



Kol tuv,



-  Ahava





[cid:image002.jpg@01D665A3.D7804270]<http://www.nli.org.il/>



Dr. Ahava Cohen|Head

Hebrew Catalogue Department

Mobile: +972-54-549-3644

Tel.:  +972-74-733-6231

The National Library of Israel, Jerusalem

ahava.co...@nli.org.il<mailto:ahava.co...@nli.org.il>  |  
www.nli.org.il<http://web.nli.org.il/sites/NLI/English/Pages/default.aspx>

[cid:image003.png@01D665A3.D7804270]<http://www.facebook.com/NationalLibraryIsrael>
  [cid:image004.png@01D665A3.D7804270] 
<http://www.youtube.com/user/NLI2010/featured>   
[cid:image005.png@01D665A3.D7804270] <http://instagram.com/nli_israel>   
[cid:image006.png@01D665A3.D7804270] 
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/64126959@N03/collections/>








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Senior Catalog Librarian

Supervisor for Non-Roman and Special Collections Cataloging



University of Maryland

2200 McKeldin Library

College Park, MD 20742

Phone (301) 405-9337

nf...@umd.edu<http://nf...@umd.edu>

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[Heb-NACO] meeting 2020 agenda, 2019 minutes

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Hi all.

Attached two documents:

AJL 2019 RAS Cataloging Committee minutes
AJL 2020 RAS Cataloging Committee Agenda

I hope  to see everyone tomorrow morning:

June 25, 2020 8:15 AM PDT; 11:15 AM EDT

Sincerely, Heidi G. Lerner


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu


AJL Cataloging Committee 2019 Minutes.docx
Description: AJL Cataloging Committee 2019 Minutes.docx


AJL Cataloging Committee 2020 Agenda.docx
Description: AJL Cataloging Committee 2020 Agenda.docx
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Re: [Heb-NACO] Announcement: AJL RAS Cataloging Committee Meeting 2020

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Hi all,



Mea culpa. The topics for discussion are the ones the  ones listed under: New 
Business



•  Implementation of OCLC merge project (Neil, Jasmin) – 5 minutes

•  Non-Latin Script Affinity Group – part of PCC LD4P (Jasmin) 5-10 minutes

•  Linked  Data Hebraica Jewish Studies/Hebraica (Neil) - 10 minutes

•  Wikidata  Judaica Project (Heidi) – 5 minutes

•  Other business




I need  to access the minutes  from 2019 so that we can approve them. Whomever 
took the minutes from the 2019 Cataloging Committee, would you be able to sent 
them to me ASAP  so we can have them accessible  for approving them.



Thanks,  Heidi






Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu


From: Benamou, Sharon 
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 12:17 PM
To: Heidi G Lerner ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
; Shinohara, Jasmin 
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Announcement: AJL RAS Cataloging Committee Meeting 2020

I agree with Jasmin about topics carried over from last year. The discussion 
about Hebrew merge is in New Business. The project to update references in NACO 
projects I believe was also from last year. Has anyone worked on this? I am 
happy to talk about UCLA's Cyrillic project since I was part of it.

Sharon Benamou
Hebraica/Judaica and Music Catalog Librarian
Email: bena...@library.ucla.edu
Phone: (310) 825-8642

From: Heb-naco  on 
behalf of Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco 
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 12:35 PM
To: Heidi G Lerner ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Announcement: AJL RAS Cataloging Committee Meeting 2020


Hi, in the middle of the response to the email from Laura.



In the meantime, is it possible that the agenda item “a potential OCLC project: 
an informal funnel-like group to merge duplicate OCLC records (Sharon, 5 
minutes)” was mistakenly copied from last year’s agenda?



Are there updates from Haim about the Hebrew grammar guide discussed last year?



“Non-Latin Script Affinity Group – part of PCC LD4P” appears both in the 
bulleted part of the agenda and in the New Business section. I think it only 
needs to be in one place.



Do we have minutes from 2019?  Approval of the minutes needs to be added to the 
agenda, but it’s hard to approve a non-existing document…



Finally, is there any way to schedule this meeting during the course of the 
online conference, June 28-July 2?



Thanks, Jasmin



From: Heb-naco  On 
Behalf Of Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 2:43 PM
To: heb-naco@lists.osu.edu
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Announcement: AJL RAS Cataloging Committee Meeting 2020



Dear safranim,



The AJL RAS Cataloging Committee will hold  its annual meeting on June 25, 2020 
8:15-9:15 PDT.

Please see below for access information:

Association of Jewish Libraries is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.

Topic: RAS Cataloging Committee
Time: Jun 25, 2020 08:15 AM Pacific Time (US and Canada)

Join Zoom Meeting
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Meeting ID: 865 7987 2626
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Agenda

Welcome and introductions, approve 2019 minutes

  *   Welcome to Neil Frau-Cortes - Incoming chair, AJL RAS Cataloging Cmomittee
  *   an update to the committee on the UCLA project to add non-Latin scripts 
to Russian records in OCLC
  *   a potential OCLC project: an informal funnel-like group to merge 
duplicate OCLC records (Sharon, 5 minutes)
  *   NACO Hebraica project to clean up and evaluate non-Latin script 
references in the model of NACO CJK Funnel?
  *   Non-Latin Script Affinity Group – part of PCC LD4P (Heidi and Jasmin, 5 
minutes)

New business

  1.  Implementation of OCLC merge project (Neil, Jasmin) – 5 minutes
  2.  Non-Latin Script Affinity Group – part of PCC LD4P (Jasmin) 5-10 minutes
  3.  Wikidata  Judaica Project (Heidi) – 5 minutes
  4.  Other business?





Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu<mailto:ler...@stanford.edu>
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[Heb-NACO] minutes for AJL RAS Cataloging Committee 2019

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Hi all,

I can't seem to remember or locate who took minutes for the AJL RAS Cataloging 
Committee last year (2019).

If you were the one, could you please let me know ASAP.

Thank you very much.

Best, Heidi


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu
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[Heb-NACO] Announcement: AJL RAS Cataloging Committee Meeting 2020

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Dear safranim,



The AJL RAS Cataloging Committee will hold  its annual meeting on June 25, 2020 
8:15-9:15 PDT.

Please see below for access information:

Association of Jewish Libraries is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.

Topic: RAS Cataloging Committee
Time: Jun 25, 2020 08:15 AM Pacific Time (US and Canada)

Join Zoom Meeting
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/86579872626

Meeting ID: 865 7987 2626
One tap mobile
+16699006833,,86579872626# US (San Jose)
+12532158782,,86579872626# US (Tacoma)

Dial by your location
+1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose)
+1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma)
+1 346 248 7799 US (Houston)
+1 301 715 8592 US (Germantown)
+1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago)
+1 646 876 9923 US (New York)
Meeting ID: 865 7987 2626
Find your local number: https://us02web.zoom.us/u/keHJdbJfpX



Agenda

Welcome and introductions, approve 2019 minutes

  *   Welcome to Neil Frau-Cortes - Incoming chair, AJL RAS Cataloging Cmomittee
  *   an update to the committee on the UCLA project to add non-Latin scripts 
to Russian records in OCLC
  *   a potential OCLC project: an informal funnel-like group to merge 
duplicate OCLC records (Sharon, 5 minutes)
  *   NACO Hebraica project to clean up and evaluate non-Latin script 
references in the model of NACO CJK Funnel?
  *   Non-Latin Script Affinity Group – part of PCC LD4P (Heidi and Jasmin, 5 
minutes)

New business

  1.  Implementation of OCLC merge project (Neil, Jasmin) – 5 minutes
  2.  Non-Latin Script Affinity Group – part of PCC LD4P (Jasmin) 5-10 minutes
  3.  Wikidata  Judaica Project (Heidi) – 5 minutes
  4.  Other business?



Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu
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[Heb-NACO] R Cataloging Commitee

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Hi all,

Please let me know ASAP if there are any agenda items that would support the 
need for a virtual Zoom-based AJL RAS Cataloging Committee meeting during 
upcoming virtual AJL conference.

If we feel that we need to meet I must let programming group know no later than 
June 28.

Thank you, Heidi Lerner (Chair, AJL RAS Cataloging Committee)


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

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Re: [Heb-NACO] Lockdown Contingency Proposals

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Neil,

That is a great idea if there are Hebrew catalogers whose institutions really 
don't have things to do.I  am working in tandem with my unit on a variety of 
different projects, some Hebrew dependent, some different projects that have 
been sitting around that we now are able to tackle because of a lack of print 
resources.

At the present time I have more than enough to keep me busy but perhaps there 
are others who would jump at the opportunity. I do suspect that managers' will  
need to be involved in these explorations.

Best, Heidi


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu


From: Heb-naco  on behalf of Neil Manel 
Frau-Cortes via Heb-naco 
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 8:21 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Lockdown Contingency Proposals

Hi everybody,

I hope you are well and keeping safe and isolated.

One of my big projects at work has been generating tasks for teleworkers, 
particularly for catalogers that are print-dependent and new to remote work, 
and now find themselves almost idle.

I have a proposal: can we find things we could invest time in, as a group? If 
nothing else, I would like to start this discussion.

Potential ideas --




  1.  Hebrewbooks bib records - unlike HathiTrust, Hebrewbooks does not set 
high standards for its metadata. We could revisit the existing records and 
enrich them. At least for now, these are open and available for all, they 
appear on WorldCat and our patrons make use of them constantly. We could take 
advantage of this less-than-ideal situation.

  2.  We could add links to existing print bibs pointing to Hebrewbooks or 
other digital repositories (‘also available online...”).

  3.  NACO authorities with “provisional” vernacular - in many cases authority 
files have multiple vernacular Hebrew and Yiddish versions of names. Some of 
them would require having the item in hand, but some are just mistakes and 
typos added programmatically.

  4.  Wikidata authorities for Hebrew personal names. Anybody can do this, it 
doesn’t need NACO clearance. It has a definite impact on LinkedData 
environments, it links to VIAF, etc.

  5.  Work on your Merge independence, either as an individual or as an 
institution. We are not sure OCLC will be able to send us lots of Hebrew 
examples, but you have some time to browse Connexion and find sets you would 
want to merge.

  6.  Other ideas?



Neil

--

Neil M. Frau-Cortes, Ph.D. (he, him, his)

Senior Catalog Librarian

Supervisor for Non-Roman and Special Collections Cataloging


University of Maryland

2200 McKeldin Library

College Park, MD 20742

Phone (301) 405-9337

nf...@umd.edu<http://nf...@umd.edu>

ORCID ID: https://orcid.org/-0002-1881-1405

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Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization survey report

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Hi Neil.

Of course.

We can add it to the agenda list for the meeting of the Cataloging Committee 
but I think that it deserves a wider conversation and include public services 
staff.

Jasmin and I are both members of the LDRP (Linked Data for Prorduction) task 
group for Non-Latin scripts and are also part of the  Sinopia testing part of 
LD4P. We will be reporting about our experiences using Sinopia at our meeting.

Best, Heidi


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu


From: Heb-naco  on behalf 
of Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco 
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 7:41 AM
To: Neil Manel Frau-Cortes ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization survey report


Sure. Heidi, is there room to add the topic to the Cataloging Committee meeting 
agenda?



From: Neil Manel Frau-Cortes 
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:30 AM
To: Shinohara, Jasmin ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization survey report



Very interesting results. I would want to see further discussion of this at the 
AJL conference.



Neil



On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 5:35 PM Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote:

Dear Heb-NACO Members,



Thank you for participating in the Linked Data for Production-2 Non-Latin 
Script Materials Affinity Group Survey on Romanization. The survey was designed 
to help make recommendations on the use of romanization in library catalogs 
within a linked data environment.



On behalf of the Group we would like to share the report summarizing survey 
results. 
This<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HVmtQxXSE0aphipdACNTTck6rzT3gPEoqjzKynYgL78/edit?ts=5e4323ce>
 is the link to the report; a PDF version of the report is also attached.



If you have any questions, please send them to Xiaoli 
Li<mailto:x...@ucdavis.edu> or Larisa Walsh<mailto:wal...@uchicago.edu>.



Thanks again, kol tuv, and a festive Purim to all,



Jasmin





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Hebraica Cataloging Librarian

University of Pennsylvania

551.1 Van Pelt-Dietrich Library Center

3420 Walnut Street

Philadelphia, PA 19104-6206

T. 215-746-6397

jsh...@upenn.edu<mailto:jsh...@upenn.edu>



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Senior Catalog Librarian

Supervisor for Non-Roman and Special Collections Cataloging



University of Maryland

2200 McKeldin Library

College Park, MD 20742

Phone (301) 405-9337

nf...@umd.edu<http://nf...@umd.edu>

ORCID ID: https://orcid.org/-0002-1881-1405


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Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization survey report

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Hi all,

March is a little earlier than I usually plan the agenda for our upcoming AJL 
RAS Cataloging Committee but we already have requests for two important agenda 
items, each for 30 minutes.

1) Gary Strawn, developer of the Authority Toolkit and based at Northwestern 
will be giving us a demo on using the Toolkit; especially relevant as some of 
us will be participating in the
PCC Task Group on Linked Data Best 
Practices<https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/taskgroup/Linked-Data-Best-Practices-2018.pdf>
 pilot. There  is a move to add functionality related to this project into the 
Toolkit which would be a big help much faster than manually adding URI's to 
the relevant fields

2) Group discussions on the recent survey results which were disseminated on 
the use of non-Latin scripts in a linked data environment (currently 
Bibframe/Sinopia)

Please contact me if you have any other topics that we can try and fit into the 
remaining 30 minutes.

Thanks, Heidi



Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu


From: Neil Manel Frau-Cortes 
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 12:20 PM
To: Heidi G Lerner 
Cc: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel ; Shinohara, Jasmin 

Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization survey report

Great, thanks! I do agree that the conversation goes beyond catalogers.


Thanks,


Neil

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 3:18 PM Heidi G Lerner 
mailto:ler...@stanford.edu>> wrote:
Hi Neil.

Of course.

We can add it to the agenda list for the meeting of the Cataloging Committee 
but I think that it deserves a wider conversation and include public services 
staff.

Jasmin and I are both members of the LDRP (Linked Data for Prorduction) task 
group for Non-Latin scripts and are also part of the  Sinopia testing part of 
LD4P. We will be reporting about our experiences using Sinopia at our meeting.

Best, Heidi


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu<mailto:ler...@stanford.edu>


From: Heb-naco 
mailto:stanford@lists.osu.edu>>
 on behalf of Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 7:41 AM
To: Neil Manel Frau-Cortes mailto:nf...@umd.edu>>; Hebrew Name 
Authority Funnel mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization survey report


Sure. Heidi, is there room to add the topic to the Cataloging Committee meeting 
agenda?



From: Neil Manel Frau-Cortes mailto:nf...@umd.edu>>
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:30 AM
To: Shinohara, Jasmin mailto:jsh...@pobox.upenn.edu>>; 
Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization survey report



Very interesting results. I would want to see further discussion of this at the 
AJL conference.



Neil



On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 5:35 PM Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote:

Dear Heb-NACO Members,



Thank you for participating in the Linked Data for Production-2 Non-Latin 
Script Materials Affinity Group Survey on Romanization. The survey was designed 
to help make recommendations on the use of romanization in library catalogs 
within a linked data environment.



On behalf of the Group we would like to share the report summarizing survey 
results. 
This<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HVmtQxXSE0aphipdACNTTck6rzT3gPEoqjzKynYgL78/edit?ts=5e4323ce>
 is the link to the report; a PDF version of the report is also attached.



If you have any questions, please send them to Xiaoli 
Li<mailto:x...@ucdavis.edu> or Larisa Walsh<mailto:wal...@uchicago.edu>.



Thanks again, kol tuv, and a festive Purim to all,



Jasmin





---

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Hebraica Cataloging Librarian

University of Pennsylvania

551.1 Van Pelt-Dietrich Library Center

3420 Walnut Street

Philadelphia, PA 19104-6206

T. 215-746-6397

jsh...@upenn.edu<mailto:jsh...@upenn.edu>



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Senior Catalog Librarian

Supervisor for Non-Roman and Special Collections Cataloging



University of Maryland

2200 McKeldin Library

College Park, MD 20742

Phone (301) 405-9337

nf...@umd.edu<http://nf...@umd.edu>

ORCID ID: https://orcid.org/-0002-1881-1405




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Re: [Heb-NACO] congratulations, Jasmin!

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Congratulations to Jasmin.!!!

Thank you Neil for letting us know.




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From: Heb-naco  on behalf of Neil Manel 
Frau-Cortes via Heb-naco 
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 7:56 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
Subject: [Heb-NACO] congratulations, Jasmin!

Join me in congratulating Jasmin Shinohara, who has gained independence in 
merging print monographs in OCLC's Member Merge Program, as part of our Hebrew 
language cohort.

Great job!

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Re: [Heb-NACO] Birth date

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Hi Rachel,

Good question. I think that you might want to  post to the PCC-list since I am 
not sure that there is a right or wrong answer as per current documentation.

What you currently see in the NARe is not an inorrect date, it is just an 
uncertain date.

According to DCMZ1 under "Additions and changes to authority records"

Almost as common as the need for a new authority record is the need to alter an 
existing record. New information can be received in various ways (e.g., new 
cataloging, investigation in response to a query) and may be significant enough 
to add to the permanent authority record.
Normally a new reference or a change in the authorized access 
point<http://desktop.loc.gov/search?view=document_action=setdoc_keytype=foliodestination_key=maauth1XX=1XX=coreresources%7Ctrue>
 must be justified by the addition of new 
information<http://desktop.loc.gov/search?view=document_action=setdoc_keytype=foliodestination_key=maauth670=670=coreresources%7Ctrue>
 to the authority record. Many other types of data can be added to the 
authority record when judged useful for proper identification.
In order to minimize the impact of database maintenance with associated 
bibliographic records and/or related authority records, catalogers are urged to 
refrain from making unnecessary changes to 
1XXs<http://desktop.loc.gov/search?view=document_action=setdoc_keytype=foliodestination_key=dcmz11XX=1XX=coreresources%7Ctrue>.
 Although there are guidelines in the RDA instructions and/or LC-PCC PSs that 
indicate when changes are or are not necessary, the necessity for other changes 
may be evident only to the agency making the change (for example, to break a 
conflict when the searching universe for the changing agency and the agency 
observing the change are different). Assume that such changes are valid.
Change an authority record when an error in the authorized access point or in a 
variant access point is discovered. When the published work for an item 
cataloged through the CIP program shows a change in the form of name of a 
person, corporate body, preferred title, or series, change the authority 
record; add the published source after the CIP source in the 670 
field<http://desktop.loc.gov/search?view=document_action=setdoc_keytype=foliodestination_key=maauth670=670=coreresources%7Ctrue>
 to document the change. Changes in the imprint date, choice of a primary 
access point, and title proper do not require changes to authority records 
created for CIP items.

You don't have an error so potentially you could add the new information in a 
670 and 046 without modifying the heading. Is that what should be done here? I 
don't know but it might be something that the new PCC  group that was recently 
announced (that will provide decisions and responses posted to quriees posted 
to the PCClist I can't remember exactly when this group was announced or who 
was on it). So you might want to post your query there as well.

Just my thoughts. Best, Heidi



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Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu


From: Heb-naco  on behalf of Rachel Simon via 
Heb-naco 
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 7:32 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Birth date


If when creating a NAR we had only the Hebrew year (and thus had to give x or y 
Gregorian years) but later got the exact birth date, can we fix the NAR to give 
only the appropriate year?



Thanks,



Rachel
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Re: [Heb-NACO] Birth date

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if you don't subscribe already to the Pcclist it can be found at:

https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/discussion.html
Discussion Lists - Program for Cooperative Cataloging (Library of 
Congress)<https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/discussion.html>
The PCC Secretariat maintains the following e-mail discussion lists to 
communicate with PCC participants, distribute policy announcements, provide 
operational information, announce the availability of reports, training 
materials, and meeting agendas, and much more. Find out who is eligible to join 
...
www.loc.gov



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Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu


From: Rachel Simon 
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 11:31 AM
To: Heidi G Lerner ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: RE: Birth date


Hi Heidi,



Thanks for your suggestions.



The full date already appears in a 678 field, but the 046 remains with two 
years.



Since we are allowed to close dates (namely, add death date when only birth 
date is in the 100), I don’t think this case is that much different.



What is the address  of the PCC-list?



Thanks,



Rachel



From: Heidi G Lerner [mailto:ler...@stanford.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 1:50 PM
To: Rachel Simon; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: Birth date



Hi Rachel,



Good question. I think that you might want to  post to the PCC-list since I am 
not sure that there is a right or wrong answer as per current documentation.



What you currently see in the NARe is not an inorrect date, it is just an 
uncertain date.



According to DCMZ1 under "Additions and changes to authority records"



Almost as common as the need for a new authority record is the need to alter an 
existing record. New information can be received in various ways (e.g., new 
cataloging, investigation in response to a query) and may be significant enough 
to add to the permanent authority record.

Normally a new reference or a change in the authorized access 
point<http://desktop.loc.gov/search?view=document_action=setdoc_keytype=foliodestination_key=maauth1XX=1XX=coreresources%7Ctrue>
 must be justified by the addition of new 
information<http://desktop.loc.gov/search?view=document_action=setdoc_keytype=foliodestination_key=maauth670=670=coreresources%7Ctrue>
 to the authority record. Many other types of data can be added to the 
authority record when judged useful for proper identification.

In order to minimize the impact of database maintenance with associated 
bibliographic records and/or related authority records, catalogers are urged to 
refrain from making unnecessary changes to 
1XXs<http://desktop.loc.gov/search?view=document_action=setdoc_keytype=foliodestination_key=dcmz11XX=1XX=coreresources%7Ctrue>.
 Although there are guidelines in the RDA instructions and/or LC-PCC PSs that 
indicate when changes are or are not necessary, the necessity for other changes 
may be evident only to the agency making the change (for example, to break a 
conflict when the searching universe for the changing agency and the agency 
observing the change are different). Assume that such changes are valid.

Change an authority record when an error in the authorized access point or in a 
variant access point is discovered. When the published work for an item 
cataloged through the CIP program shows a change in the form of name of a 
person, corporate body, preferred title, or series, change the authority 
record; add the published source after the CIP source in the 670 
field<http://desktop.loc.gov/search?view=document_action=setdoc_keytype=foliodestination_key=maauth670=670=coreresources%7Ctrue>
 to document the change. Changes in the imprint date, choice of a primary 
access point, and title proper do not require changes to authority records 
created for CIP items.



You don't have an error so potentially you could add the new information in a 
670 and 046 without modifying the heading. Is that what should be done here? I 
don't know but it might be something that the new PCC  group that was recently 
announced (that will provide decisions and responses posted to quriees posted 
to the PCClist I can't remember exactly when this group was announced or who 
was on it). So you might want to post your query there as well.



Just my thoughts. Best, Heidi





Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu





From: Heb-naco  on behalf of Rachel Simon via 
Heb-naco 
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 7:32 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Birth date



If when creating a NAR we had only the Hebrew year (and thus had to give x or y 
Gregorian years) but la

[Heb-NACO] away next week

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Hi all,

I will be in Berkeley next week (August 19-23) at Rare Book School.

Please do not send me any records for review until my return on August 26.

Thank you, Heidi


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Metadata Dept.

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Re: [Heb-NACO] resource for vocalization for non-Hebrew personal names

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Great, thanks to you and Yosi.


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Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Shinohara, Jasmin 
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 1:58 PM
To: Yossi Galron; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel; Heidi G Lerner
Subject: RE: [Heb-NACO] resource for vocalization for non-Hebrew personal names


A vocalization source: 
https://www.materna.co.il/%D7%94%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%95%D7%9F-%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%93%D7%94/%D7%A9%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%9C%D7%AA%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%95%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%AA/%D7%91%D7%A0%D7%95%D7%AA?name=%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%98%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%94

פירוש השם ויקטוריה - מטרנה - 
materna.co.il<https://www.materna.co.il/%D7%94%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%95%D7%9F-%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%93%D7%94/%D7%A9%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%9C%D7%AA%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%95%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%AA/%D7%91%D7%A0%D7%95%D7%AA?name=%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%98%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%94>
www.materna.co.il
השם ויקטוריה מגיע מן השפה הלטינית ומשמש כשם בינלאומי הנפוץ בתרבויות שונות ורבות 
ברחבי העולם. למעשה השם ויקטוריה הוא צורת הנקבה של השם ויקטור, ומשמש...

☺



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Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 4:55 PM
To: Heidi G Lerner ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 

Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] resource for vocalization for non-Hebrew personal names



Viktoryah




Joseph Galron-Goldschläger

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Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger
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Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature:
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Union List of Digitized Jewish Historic Newspapers and Periodicals
http://go.osu.edu/jpress





On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 4:53 PM Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco 
mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote:

Hi all,



Do we know of any resource that can provides vocalized forms for non-Hebrew 
personal names.



I have יוקטוריה and I don't know if I should do it as



Ṿiḳṭoriyah



or



Ṿiḳṭoryah



Any thoughts will be appreciated.



Thanks, Heidi



Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

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[Heb-NACO] resource for vocalization for non-Hebrew personal names

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Hi all,


Do we know of any resource that can provides vocalized forms for non-Hebrew 
personal names.


I have יוקטוריה and I don't know if I should do it as


Ṿiḳṭoriyah


or


Ṿiḳṭoryah


Any thoughts will be appreciated.


Thanks, Heidi


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

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Re: [Heb-NACO] Hebraica Merging Group

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Hi Neil,


I am definitely interested in participating.


Let me know how to proceed.


Best, Heidi




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Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Heb-naco  on behalf 
of Neil Manel Frau-Cortes via Heb-naco 
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 5:42 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Hebraica Merging Group


Dear all,


It was very nice to see a number of you at the LA conference. As we were 
talking, OCLC wants to broaden its bibliographic merging service. We convened 
with Nathan Putnam that a Hebraica Merging Group will be created. Whoever wants 
to participate in it will learn by using OCLC’s self-paced online materials, 
after which I will review some of your records. This is not a very long 
process, once you understand the basics.


Merging bibs is a great contribution to the database (and to everybody’s 
sanity!), but it is also very rewarding, as it results in clearer searches and 
richer records.


For now, if you are interested or have any questions, please do not hesitate to 
contact me at nf...@umd.edu<mailto:nf...@umd.edu>


Kol tuv,



Neil


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Judaica, Hebraica and Metadata Cataloger


University of Maryland

4109 McKeldin Library

College Park, MD 20742

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[Heb-NACO] Last call for agenda items for AJL RAS Cataloging Committee

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Hi all,


Tomorrow will be the last day that I will be able to accept agenda items for 
the upcoming AJL RAS Cataloging Committee meeting, this coming Monday morning 
at 10:30 AM (6/17/2019).


So far we only have two items.


I will be on vacation until from Thursday -Sunday evening (6/13-6/16) and have 
little access to email.


Best, Heidi


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[Heb-NACO] RAS Cataloging Committee meeting 6/17

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Dear catalogers,


The AJL RAS Cataloging Meeting is scheduled for June 17, 2019 at 10:30.


Please send me topics that you are interested in for group discussion by June 
10, 2019 for consideration.


Thank you, Heidi Lerner (Chair, AJL RAS Cataloging Committee


Heidi G. Lerner

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Re: [Heb-NACO] romanize Hebrew word for broom?

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Thanks Haim.


That is also how it is vocalized in the most recent Even-Shoshan which is our 
authorized source for romanization.


Heidi G. Lerner

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Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

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e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Gottschalk, Haim 
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:50 PM
To: Heidi G Lerner; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: RE: romanize Hebrew word for broom?


Hi Heidi,



In looking at the Jastrow, it is vocalized as:



מַטְאֲטֵא



Looks like your Romanization is correct.



~Haim



From: Heb-naco  On Behalf Of Heidi G Lerner via 
Heb-naco
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2019 2:12 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
Subject: [Heb-NACO] romanize Hebrew word for broom?



Hi all,



I want to determine the proper ALA/LC romanization for מטאטא



My thought is:



Maṭʾaṭe



My thinking (based on most recent ES vocalizaton) is that דwhen there are two 
shevaim following each other the 2nd is a "שבא נע" and the first is a  "שבא 
נח".  Furtive vowels are considered to be "שבא נע"



Any thoughts will be appreciated.



Thanks, Heidi



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Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

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[Heb-NACO] romanize Hebrew word for broom?

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Hi all,


I want to determine the proper ALA/LC romanization for מטאטא


My thought is:


Maṭʾaṭe


My thinking (based on most recent ES vocalizaton) is that דwhen there are two 
shevaim following each other the 2nd is a "שבא נע" and the first is a  "שבא 
נח".  Furtive vowels are considered to be "שבא נע"


Any thoughts will be appreciated.


Thanks, Heidi


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

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[Heb-NACO] Fw: Reminder: April 15 deadline for entering PCC statistics

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Hi funnel members,


Could you please send me your NACO statisics for the period below?


Thanks, Heidi


Heidi G. Lerner

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fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging  on behalf 
of Theroux, Manon 
Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 1:39 PM
To: pccl...@listserv.loc.gov
Subject: [PCCLIST] Reminder: April 15 deadline for entering PCC statistics


[cross-posted to multiple PCC discussion lists]


Dear PCC participants,



This is a friendly reminder that April 15th is the deadline for PCC 
institutions to enter their PCC statistics for the first half of fiscal year 
2019. All NACO, BIBCO, CONSER, and SACO contributions made during the months of 
October 2018-March 2019 should be entered into the PCC Directory by this date.



Instructions can be found in the “Statistics” section at the bottom of the PCC 
Directory web page: http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/pccd

PCC Directory -Program for Cooperative Cataloging (Library of Congress) - 
loc.gov<http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/pccd>
www.loc.gov
The documentation on this page covers the steps full and associate level member 
institutions, funnel coordinators, and funnel members need to take to activate 
their PCC Directory accounts (after receiving their temporary passwords), 
login, update their profiles, and report their statistics ...





In particular, please see the “Guidelines for Entering Statistics in the PCC 
Directory” which were recently updated based on queries received:

http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/pccd/Guidelines-for-Entering-Statistics-in-PCC-Directory.pdf



After the April 15th deadline, we plan to run a report on the statistics that 
have been entered in the PCC Directory. The report will be posted here: 
http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/stats.html



Thank you,



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Re: [Heb-NACO] בגלל

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Hi there,


As Jasmin has pointed out the instruction for analyitcal  entries does not 
appear in the new edition of our manual "Hebrew cataloging RDA."


I honestly have no memory why it is omitted.


I will as the Catalogoing Commitee about reinstating it.


We need to have the hierarchy of instruction in to order to base our final 
decision.


As regards "בגלל"


It appears under "ג"  as "גלל"


It appears as an "analytic" under "ב" as "בגלל"".


Thus we should continue to romanize it as "bi-gelal."


Thanks, Heidi


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Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Heb-naco  on behalf of Shinohara, Jasmin 
via Heb-naco 
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 12:17 PM
To: Gottschalk, Haim; 'Hebrew Name Authority Funnel'
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] בגלל

p. 21 of HCM: "In the rare cases where Even-Shoshan may show the same word 
under more than one entry element, the more 'analytical' option is chosen." Per 
Yossi, there is an entry in E.-Sh. For גלל, so it’s romanized bi-gelal. Though 
we have yet to hear from Heidi and Joan, both of whose input I’m eager to 
hear...

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From: Gottschalk, Haim 
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 3:12 PM
To: Shinohara, Jasmin; 'Hebrew Name Authority Funnel'
Subject: RE: בגלל


Jasmin,



If I may ask: if there is an actual entry for the word in E. Sh. forבגלל why 
not treat that as a word onto itself and Romanize it as if the ב was part of 
the word? I am just asking.



From: Heb-naco  On Behalf OfShinohara, Jasmin 
via Heb-naco
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 11:06 AM
To: Galron, Joseph ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel 
; ler...@stanford.edu; Joan Biella 

Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] בגלל



Good morning, all, and happy Friday!



Picking up on where we left yesterday, based on p. 21 ofHCM, ("In the rare 
cases where Even-Shoshan may show the  same word under more than  one entry 
element, the  more  'analytical' option is chosen.") we agreed that standard 
romanization ofבגללis bi-gelal (and בשבילis bi-shevil in all cases). Yossi 
confirmed that the romanzations of the words I’d listed (found in the wiki 
romanzation FAQ) are correct but questionedממני. The source for that 
romanization, mimeni NOT mi-meni, is the originalromanization 
FAQ<http://library.princeton.edu/departments/tsd/katmandu/hebrew/roman/mis37.html>
 compiled by Rachel and Joan. I could find no discussion in the 
heb-nacoarchives<https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=heb-naco%40lists.service.ohio-state.edu=mimeni=0=0>,
 so perhaps Joan could chime in on the reasoning.



In the meantime, I also looked at thecataloging 
FAQ<http://www.princeton.edu/~rsimon/hebnaco.html> compiled by Rachel, which, 
though a bit dated, is still a treasure trove of valuable information. For our 
purposes, the entry under “levadi or 
le-vadi<http://www.princeton.edu/~rsimon/levadi.html>” is instructive:

In Even-Shoshan under "lamed" there is an  entry for: " lamed (sheva) bet 
(patah) dalet"; under  "bet" there is the following:  "lamed (sheva)  bet  
(patah) dalet,  bet  (hirek) lamed (sheva) bet (patah) dalet,  mem  (hirek) 
lamed (sheva)  bet (patah) dalet, see lamed (sheva) bet (patah) dalet."

Therefore, this is *not* a case where Even-Shoshan shows the same word under 
more than  one entry element.  He shows the  word under lamed, and  under  bet  
he refers the reader to  the  lamed entry.  In short, he treats this compound 
as  a  "word" beginning with lamed.  Therefore again, there's no "more 
'analytical'" option to be chosen-- he doesn't give  an  option  at  all.   So: 
  levadi  is correct.  Even-Shoshan does say, in  the "levad" entry, that the  
word comes from "le-" plus "bad."  But it's the  fact that  he doesn't give an 
*entry* for it under "bad" that's critical.

For ממני, underמthere is an entry for ממנה/ממנוand ממני, both of which refer to 
the entryמן. There are also entries forמנה, מנו(with a segol under the mem’s) 
butno corresponding מני. Perhaps that is the reason for mimeni, but should it 
be mi-menah and mi-menu? (LC shows 1 mi-menah; 19 mimenah; 15 mi-menu; 32 
mimenu. There are also 5 mi-menO and 5 mimenO [different]; there’s no such 
thing…) Again, Joan, we’d appreciate your input.



The more critical question at this time is, Heidi and Joan, was there a reason 
the passage fromHCM was not included in HCM-RDA? Should it be reinstated?



Thanks and apologies for my verbosity… Kol tuv andשבת שלום, Jasmin



From: Galron, Joseph [mailto:galro...@osu.edu]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 5:55 PM
To: Shinohara, Jasmin; Hebr

[Heb-NACO] Fw: [PCCLIST] PCC Guidelines for the Application of Relationship Designators in NACO Authority Records

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

FYI - see below:


Heidi G. Lerner

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fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging  on behalf 
of Frank, Paul 
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 4:37 AM
To: pccl...@listserv.loc.gov
Subject: [PCCLIST] PCC Guidelines for the Application of Relationship 
Designators in NACO Authority Records


[Sending to PCC, BIBCO, CONSER lists]



Hi everyone,



Happy New Year!

I am happy to start 2019 with the posting of the PCC Guidelines for the 
Application of Relationship Designators in NACO Authority 
Records<http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/rda/PCC%20RDA%20guidelines/PCC%20SCS%20SCT%20Relationship%20Designators%20in%20NACO%20Authority%20Records-2018-11.docx>
 to the NACO home page<http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/naco/index.html>, and to the 
PCC Post RDA Implementation Guidelines and Standard 
page<http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/rda/PCC%20RDA%20guidelines/Post-RDA-Implementation-Guidelines.html>.

The guidelines were created by the Joint PCC Standing Committee on Standards and

Standing Committee on Training Task Group on Guidelines for Relationship 
Designators in Authority Records. The task group members were: Bob Maxwell 
(chair), Chiat Naun Chew, Kelley McGrath, George Prager, Isabel Quintana, and 
Adam Schiff.



The task group has created a set of very useful and well-considered guidelines 
that can be applied in our current cataloging environment. Our cataloging 
environment is changing rapidly, though, so I am looking forward to the time 
when these guidelines can be expanded and enhanced to accommodate the changing 
environment.



Thanks,



Paul



Paul Frank

Coordinator, NACO and SACO Programs

Library of Congress

202-707-1570

pfr...@loc.gov<mailto:pfr...@loc.gov>



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Re: [Heb-NACO] Cataloging Ketubot

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

Hi Gabriel,


We do not have experience at Stanford with any Ketubot collections. NLI put 
their collection online way back in the day (under the project leadership of 
Elhanan Adler; you might take a look at the online exhibition at Yale's 
Beinecke library which has digitized  their ketubah collection. The images are 
accopmanied by very full descriptive cataloging (example: 
https://brbl-dl.library.yale.edu/vufind/Record/3442522̲).

Also there are a number of records created by Yeshiva University for their 
ketubot  collection in OCLC which were created as "Type of record: Mixed 
materials.


Sorry that I cannot be of more help. I am sure that our colleagues who have 
worked with this genre will reach out to you. You might want to post this to 
Hasafran as well since I suspect that archivists and other not-cataloging 
library professionals who don't follow Heb-NACO might have been involved in 
ketubot cataloging projects.


best, Heidi


p.s. Do I see a paper for JL here by someone who has lot of experience in this?


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Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Heb-naco  on behalf 
of Gabriel Mordoch via Heb-naco 
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 9:00 AM
To: heb-naco@lists.osu.edu
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Cataloging Ketubot

Dear colleagues,

I am wondering what are your local practices when cataloging Ketubot.

Thank you,
-Gabriel

--
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Judaica and Western European Language Cataloger
University of Michigan Library
314 Hatcher-North
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Re: [Heb-NACO] newest member of the AJL RAS Cataloging Committee

[Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco]

please excuse my mistake: should read


introduce Jasmin Shinohara


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e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Heb-naco  on behalf of Heidi G Lerner via 
Heb-naco 
Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 11:19 AM
To: heb-naco
Subject: [Heb-NACO] newest member of the AJL RAS Cataloging Committee


Hi all,


I would like to announce with that Jasmin Nof has agreed to join the AJL RAS 
Cataloging Committee as a full member. She brings many years of Hebraica 
cataloging experience. a strong knowledge of Hebrew grammar (so necessary for 
our hands on work), and a very strong sense of collegiality. She has assumed 
responsibility for maintaining and serving as editor of the

AJL RAS Cataloging Committee Wiki 
<http://rascat.pbworks.com/w/page/7836007/Home>  for a number of  years and 
does a superb job. I hope that all of you will  join me in welcoming her.


Sincerely, Heidi


Heidi G. Lerner

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Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

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Hi all,


I would like to announce with that Jasmin Nof has agreed to join the AJL RAS 
Cataloging Committee as a full member. She brings many years of Hebraica 
cataloging experience. a strong knowledge of Hebrew grammar (so necessary for 
our hands on work), and a very strong sense of collegiality. She has assumed 
responsibility for maintaining and serving as editor of the

AJL RAS Cataloging Committee Wiki 
<http://rascat.pbworks.com/w/page/7836007/Home>  for a number of  years and 
does a superb job. I hope that all of you will  join me in welcoming her.


Sincerely, Heidi


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

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Re: [Heb-NACO] a date question

[Heidi G Lerner]

Hi Haim


I think that it is legitimate to record the date of publication as Pesaḥ 777 
[April 23-30, 2016] in the Latin script 264 field


and


פסח תשע''ז  in the Hebrew script field


in the fixed fields you can code


Dtst eDates 2016 , 04


Just my recommendation


best, Heidi


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Heb-naco  on behalf of Gottschalk, Haim 

Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:23 AM
To: 'heb-n...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu'
Subject: [Heb-NACO] a date question


Dear fellow catalogers,



I have a work that gives the date as פסח תשע"ו, which corresponds to April 
23-30, 2016. In the 264 MARC field, do we write April 2016 or do we write April 
23-30, 2016?



Than you,

Haim



~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Haim A. Gottschalk

Librarian

Israel and Judaica Section, Asian and Middle Eastern Division

202-707-2498

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Re: [Heb-NACO] out of office

[Heidi G Lerner]

Through friday September 14


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Heb-naco  on behalf of Marlene Schiffman 

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 10:19 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] out of office


Up until when will you be accepting NARs this week?



Marlene Schiffman

Gottesman Library Technical Services

Yeshiva University

500 West 185th Street

New York, NY 10033



646 592-4276 (direct)

646 592-4100 (general office)



From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+schiffma=yu@lists.osu.edu] On 
Behalf Of Heidi G Lerner
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 1:10 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: [Heb-NACO] out of office



To: Hebrew NACO, Hebrew BIBCO and Judaica SACO funnel  members,



I will be out of the office from September 18-October 19. I will be back at 
work on Monday October 22.  Please do not send me any records for review during 
that period.



Thank you, Heidi Lerner (Funnel Coordinatro)



Heidi G. Lerner

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Metadata Dept.

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Stanford, CA 94305-6004

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[Heb-NACO] out of office

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To: Hebrew NACO, Hebrew BIBCO and Judaica SACO funnel  members,


I will be out of the office from September 18-October 19. I will be back at 
work on Monday October 22.  Please do not send me any records for review during 
that period.


Thank you, Heidi Lerner (Funnel Coordinatro)


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

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Re: [Heb-NACO] Erroneous date of publication

[Heidi G Lerner]

Here is the RDA rule that supports Bob's suggestion:



If a date of publication as it appears on the manifestation is known to be 
fictitious or incorrect, make a note giving the actual date (see 
2.17.7.3[http://access.rdatoolkit.org/images/rdalink.png]<http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp2=rda2-9110#rda2-9110>).--RDA
 2.8.6.3

My only addition to Bob's solution is to add a ? to the bracketed inferred date 
because we do not for certain that it was published in 2018,


Thanks Bob.


Beset, Heidi


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Heb-naco  on behalf 
of Rachel Simon 
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 6:06 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Erroneous date of publication


How should we deal with items with wrong date of publication?



We received a book (NOT in Hebrew) with a 2019  publication date; some 
libraries got it even earlier in 2018. Should we just transcribe the 
information the way it is and add a note? Add the correct date in square 
brackets?



Thanks,



Rachel
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[Heb-NACO] Rabi Yosef Paneṭ

[Heidi G Lerner]

Hi all,


I am cataloging a work by Rabi Yosef Paneṭ, rabbi at Congregation Meor 
ha-tefilah in Brooklyn


Is he the same as Rabbi J. Paneth, aka Rabi Yosef Menaḥem Paneṭ


Thanks, heidi


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Metadata Dept.

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Re: [Heb-NACO] Catalog committee meeting and OCLC update meeting at AJL conference

[Heidi G Lerner]

Hi Haim,


That is a very good idea.


Years ago I developed a program for training faculty and students in the finer 
points of ALA/LC romanization. It was later published in Higher Hebrew 
Education.


It might work as a starting point.


Thanks, Heidi


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Heb-naco  on behalf 
of Gottschalk, Haim 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 7:33 AM
To: 'Hebrew Name Authority Funnel'
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Catalog committee meeting and OCLC update meeting at 
AJL conference


I was wondering if it would be worthwhile to write a Hebrew grammar work for 
catalogers. A comprehensive text that addresses not just grammar rules, but 
also how the Hebrew grammar rules work in conjunction with cataloging rules. 
This would complement the HCM.



From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Dickel, 
Geraldine
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 10:25 AM
To: 'heb-n...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu'
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Catalog committee meeting and OCLC update meeting at AJL 
conference



Dear cataloging colleagues,



The AJL RAS Cataloging Committee meeting at the upcoming AJL conference is 
scheduled for Monday, June 18th, from 10:30 – 12:00.

What items would you like to see included on the agenda for this meeting?



I have three or four items so far, based on discussions we have had this past 
year:

  *   I would like to hold a vote on the authorization of the use for Rav Milim 
or Morfix for the romanization of Hebrew words not found in Even-Shoshan.



  *   We have had discussions on the question of romanization of a vocalized 
Tetragrammaton, of the word דיט, and ברסלב, but have not come to a resolution 
to the questions.



  *   We need to restart the process of reading through the updated RDA 
instructions and see if any changes need to be made to our cataloging policies 
as given in our Hebraica cataloging manual.



Any comments, suggestions, additions, etc. are most welcome!



The OCLC Update meeting is scheduled for Monday, June 18th, from 9:00-10:30.  
Nathan Putnam, Director of Metadata Quality at OCLC, will be giving the OCLC 
Update presentation.  Are there any specific issues, questions, problems, etc. 
that you would like to have him address in his presentation?  Please let me 
know, and I will pass that information on to him.



Thank you,

Jerry Anne
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Re: [Heb-NACO] FW: New Proposal: Standard Citation Forms for Rare Materials Cataloging

[Heidi G Lerner]

Great to hear.


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Dickel, Geraldine 
<geraldine.dic...@yale.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:56 PM
To: 'heb-n...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu'
Subject: [Heb-NACO] FW: New Proposal: Standard Citation Forms for Rare 
Materials Cataloging


Dear fellow catalogers,



The Bibliography of the Hebrew book has been added to the Standard Citation 
Forms for Rare Materials Cataloging.



https://rbms.info/scf/?scf_entries=bibliography-of-the-hebrew-book-1470-1960

[https://s0.wp.com/i/blank.jpg]<https://rbms.info/scf/?scf_entries=bibliography-of-the-hebrew-book-1470-1960>

Bibliography of the Hebrew book, 
1470-1960<https://rbms.info/scf/?scf_entries=bibliography-of-the-hebrew-book-1470-1960>
rbms.info
Visit the post for more.





best wishes,

Jerry Anne
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Re: [Heb-NACO] Natan Levin, author of Ḥristomatyah ʻIvrit (Vilna, 1904).

[Heidi G Lerner]

I checked it and I could not find him.


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford@lists.osu.edu> on behalf 
of Galron, Joseph <galro...@osu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 8:37 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Natan Levin, author of Ḥristomatyah ʻIvrit (Vilna, 
1904).

Gabriel,
I am not near my reference tools, but check the Leksikon by G. Kressel 
(1965-1967).
חג עצבנות שמח.
יוסי




Joseph Galron-Goldschlager
Hebraica and Judaica Studies Librarian
Acting: German Studies Librarian
305 Thompson Memorial Library
Ohio State University
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Fax: (614) 292-1918


 Original message 
From: Gabriel Mordoch <mord...@umich.edu>
Date: 4/18/18 18:05 (GMT+02:00)
To: heb-naco@lists.osu.edu
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Natan Levin, author of Ḥristomatyah ʻIvrit (Vilna, 1904).

Dear colleagues,

I am cataloging a book by Natan L. [Levin] called Ḥristomatyah ʻIvrit (Vilna, 
1904). I am using OCLC record # 122984356.

There is an authority name record "Leṿin, Natan, ǂd 1856 or 1857-1926" (nr 
91008643, ARN 2914360).

Could someone confirm that both Natans are the same person?

Thank you,
-Gabriel

--
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Judaica and Western European Language Cataloger
University of Michigan Library
314 Hatcher-North
Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1190
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[Heb-NACO] grammar question

[Heidi G Lerner]

Hi all,


I am chanting chapters 5-8 of Shir ha-shirim this coming Shabat.


I have a grammar question.


The text in Shir ha-shirim has "אַשְׁקְךָ֙ מִיַּ֣יִן הָרֶ֔קַח"


My question is why is there a pataḥ under the first yud instead of a tsere.


I have checked several different editions of the Tanakh as well as 
Briggs-Driver.


According to Even-Shoshan and Luaḣ ha-Shemot יין  in סמיכות would have a 
"tsere" under the 1st yud.


Thanks, Heidi




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Re: [Heb-NACO] Efrayim ben Tsevi Hirsh, ǂc ha-Leṿi, mi-ḳ.ḳ. Sṭaṿisḳ

[Heidi G Lerner]

Hi Gabriel.


Welcome to our community of Judaica/Hebraica catalogers.


The answers to your questions can be found at:


a) re 667 field -

RDA Special Topics: RDA Elements in NARs - Library of 
Congress<https://www.loc.gov/aba/rda/source/special_topics_elements_NARs.ppt>

2) re additions to personal names 9.2.2.18 for domicile; 9.6.1.9 "ha-Levi"

Also helpful but written under A2  is a document "Rabbinic Names Entered Under 
Forename" found at http://www.princeton.edu/~rsimon/forename.html


Best, Heidi


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Metadata Dept.

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Stanford, CA 94305-6004

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fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford@lists.osu.edu> on behalf 
of Gabriel Mordoch <mord...@umich.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 7:56 AM
To: heb-naco@lists.osu.edu
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Efrayim ben Tsevi Hirsh, ǂc ha-Leṿi, mi-ḳ.ḳ. Sṭaṿisḳ

Dear colleagues,

I am Gabriel Mordoch, I have been the Judaica Cataloger at University of 
Michigan Library since August 2017. I am happy to join the Heb-Naco funnel and 
send my first question. It is related to OCLC ARN 8136927 (Library of Congress 
Control number n2009035957):

Efrayim ben Tsevi Hirsh, ǂc ha-Leṿi, mi-ḳ.ḳ. Sṭaṿisḳ

Tag 667 indicates that "THIS 1XX FIELD CANNOT BE USED UNDER RDA UNTIL THIS 
RECORD HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND/OR UPDATED".

It is possible that the acronym mi-k.k. does not comply with RDA standards, but 
perhaps there are other issues with this record (maybe "mi-ḳ.ḳ. Sṭaṿisḳ" 
should be removed from ǂc).

I am wondering if we Judaica catalogers have specific guidelines for name 
authority records with 667 tags like this.

Thank you and Ḥag śameaḥ,
-Gabriel

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Re: [Heb-NACO] Efrayim ben Tsevi Hirsh, ǂc ha-Leṿi, mi-ḳ.ḳ. Sṭaṿisḳ

[Heidi G Lerner]

Dear Gabriel,


I am the coordinator of the Hebraica NACO Funnel. I am not sure if you are 
hoping to  join the funnel or believe that you already have.


We would be delighted to have you contribute Hebraica NARs to the LCNAF.


However, there are several steps that you will need to take before you can 
start contributing, one of which will be review by me until such time as you 
are considered independent.


Another step that you will have to take is to request a unique MARC 
Organization Code for funnel contributions. I searched the MARC Organization 
database and did not find one for Hebraica.


I would also like to invite you to join the BIBCO Hebraica funnel. I am also 
the coordinator of that funnel and again would be delighted to have you aboard. 
The revision process is similar to that for the NACO Hebraica Funnel.


Please feel free to contact me at any time to discuss your official request to  
join the funnel(s).


Sincerely, Heidi Lerner (Coordinator: Hebraica Bibco and Naco funnels, Judaica 
SACO Funnel)


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford@lists.osu.edu> on behalf 
of Gabriel Mordoch <mord...@umich.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 7:56 AM
To: heb-naco@lists.osu.edu
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Efrayim ben Tsevi Hirsh, ǂc ha-Leṿi, mi-ḳ.ḳ. Sṭaṿisḳ

Dear colleagues,

I am Gabriel Mordoch, I have been the Judaica Cataloger at University of 
Michigan Library since August 2017. I am happy to join the Heb-Naco funnel and 
send my first question. It is related to OCLC ARN 8136927 (Library of Congress 
Control number n2009035957):

Efrayim ben Tsevi Hirsh, ǂc ha-Leṿi, mi-ḳ.ḳ. Sṭaṿisḳ

Tag 667 indicates that "THIS 1XX FIELD CANNOT BE USED UNDER RDA UNTIL THIS 
RECORD HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND/OR UPDATED".

It is possible that the acronym mi-k.k. does not comply with RDA standards, but 
perhaps there are other issues with this record (maybe "mi-ḳ.ḳ. Sṭaṿisḳ" 
should be removed from ǂc).

I am wondering if we Judaica catalogers have specific guidelines for name 
authority records with 667 tags like this.

Thank you and Ḥag śameaḥ,
-Gabriel

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Judaica and Western European Language Cataloger
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Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1190
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Re: [Heb-NACO] diagram of varieties of liturgical rites

[Heidi G Lerner]

That would be great Neil.

Thank you for expressing interest.


best, Heidi


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e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford@lists.osu.edu> on behalf 
of Neil Manel Frau-Cortes <nf...@umd.edu>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 1:29 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] diagram of varieties of liturgical rites

The Chassidic Sefard nusach is kind of a hybrid, basically centered on bringing 
kabbalah additions without adopting a full fledged Sefaradi. The diverse levels 
of hybridization are quite wide. In general, it should be quite easy to tell 
them apart, with few exceptions. I am happy to contribute to this conversation 
at AJL, since this is down my aisle.


Neil

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 4:04 PM, Heidi G Lerner 
<ler...@stanford.edu<mailto:ler...@stanford.edu>> wrote:

Dear Safranim


We often experience difficulties when cataloging liturgical resources as to 
what rite a particular siddur or mahzor adhere to.


Often it is clear such as when we have "Minhag romi" "Minhag ha-Romanyotņim" 
"Ari rite". But oftentimes it is not clear if we have "Minhag" or "Nusahņ" 
Sefarad which variously identify liturgical works variously as "Sephardic rite" 
often referring to that adopted by various Hasidic sects and based on Lurianic  
textor, alternatively, as emanating from Mizrahi communities and others where 
descendants  of Portuguese and Spanish Jews live.


Years ago Professor Larry Schiffman gave  session on liturgy at AJL and maybe 
have provided a handout.


It might be helpful to come up with some guidelines on when to apply Sephardic 
rite and when not to.


If not no, could this be an agenda item for the cataloging commiteee meeting at 
AJL?


Do people remember earlier discussions on this topic?


Best, Heidi


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Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

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Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953<tel:(650)%20725-9953>

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[Heb-NACO] diagram of varieties of liturgical rites

[Heidi G Lerner]

Dear Safranim


We often experience difficulties when cataloging liturgical resources as to 
what rite a particular siddur or mahzor adhere to.


Often it is clear such as when we have "Minhag romi" "Minhag ha-Romanyoṭim" 
"Ari rite". But oftentimes it is not clear if we have "Minhag" or "Nusaḥ" 
Sefarad which variously identify liturgical works variously as "Sephardic rite" 
often referring to that adopted by various Hasidic sects and based on Lurianic  
textor, alternatively, as emanating from Mizrahi communities and others where 
descendants  of Portuguese and Spanish Jews live.


Years ago Professor Larry Schiffman gave  session on liturgy at AJL and maybe 
have provided a handout.


It might be helpful to come up with some guidelines on when to apply Sephardic 
rite and when not to.


If not no, could this be an agenda item for the cataloging commiteee meeting at 
AJL?


Do people remember earlier discussions on this topic?


Best, Heidi


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

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[Heb-NACO] LC-PCC PS 9.2.2.5.3

[Heidi G Lerner]

Hi all,


A gentle reminder to NACO Hebraica catalogers that if you do not find a 
romanized form of the name in a resource being cataloged  there is a list of 
required sources to look for a romanized form of a Hebrew name in LC-PCC 
9.2.2.5.3:


Hebrew Alphabet: Follow this order of preference in choosing the heading for 
persons with names in the Hebrew alphabet:
1.
If the name is found prominently in a romanized form in the resource being 
cataloged in a language using the Hebrew alphabet, use this form.
2.
If the name is found as the heading for an article about the person in The 
Encyclopaedia Judaica or The Encyclopedia of Jews in the Islamic World, use 
this form. If the form varies in these two sources, use the form found in The 
Encyclopaedia Judaica.
3.
If the name is found in a romanized form in a widely-known and easily-consulted 
free online source, use this form, especially where a person who writes or is 
written about primarily in the Hebrew script provides a preferred romanized 
form of the name in that source (e.g., 
Facebook[http://access.rdatoolkit.org/images/externallink.png]<http://www.facebook.com/>,
 
Linkedin[http://access.rdatoolkit.org/images/externallink.png]<http://www.linkedin.com/>)
 or, failing such a source, a general source (e.g., 
Wikipedia[http://access.rdatoolkit.org/images/externallink.png]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page>).
4.
Otherwise, use the systematically romanized form of the name.
5.
However,
a)
If the authorized access point for an author who writes in a language using the 
Hebrew alphabet reflects the systematically romanized form and a 
subsequently-received resource containing the name in a Hebrew-alphabet 
language shows a non-systematically romanized name (i.e., a “found 
romanization”), generally do not change the authorized access point. This means 
that only in exceptional cases will systematically romanized names be 
candidates for change.
b)
If the authorized access point for an author who writes in a language using the 
Hebrew alphabet reflects a non-systematically romanized form and a subsequently 
received resource containing the name in a Hebrew-alphabet language shows a 
different non-systematically romanized form (i.e., a different “found 
romanization”), do not change the authorized access point until the different 
form clearly predominates.


I have been told by some catalogers that they are not seeing 675 or 670 fields 
to indicate that these sources were consulted in the absence of a romanized 
from appearing in a resource being cataloged.


Thanks, Heidi

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Metadata Dept.

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Stanford, CA 94305-6004

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Re: [Heb-NACO] help with abbreviation

[Heidi G Lerner]

Hi Jasmin,


I have found "ḳidmah and ḳadmah" (not sure about ḳedmah as a word).


Without knowing what the acronym stands for I would not know which vocalization 
to use for


קדמ''ה



Thanks, Heidi


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Shinohara, Jasmin <jsh...@pobox.upenn.edu>
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 12:09 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel; Heidi G Lerner
Subject: RE: [Heb-NACO] help with abbreviation


Hi,



Without context, I can’t be sure. Is it מהדורת קדמ"ה or קדמ"ה מהדורת, as below?



My guess is that the initialism is for קבוצות דיון מחנכים הורים. Per HCM RDA 
(p.30), even though the acronym doesn’t appear in E-Sh. or Alcalay, it does 
form a word, so, the transcription would be Mahadurat Ḳedmah.



Happy to hear others’ take(s), Jasmin



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Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 12:55 PM
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Subject: [Heb-NACO] help with abbreviation



Hi all,



I have a cover statement



"מהדורת  קדמ''ה"



I am unsure how to transcribe



קדמ''ה



Any help will be appreciated.



thanks, Heidi



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Metadata Dept.

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Stanford, CA 94305-6004

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Re: [Heb-NACO] help with abbreviation

[Heidi G Lerner]

I am not sure that would be what this is since the volume attached to the


phrase is a collection of writings from Chaim Halberstam (the Tsanzer Reb) on 
Jewish fast and feast days.


Thanks, Heidi


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Metadata Dept.

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Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Neil Manel 
Frau-Cortes <nf...@umd.edu>
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 12:05 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] help with abbreviation

Could this refer to
קבוצות דיון מחנכים הורים
?


Neil

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 12:55 PM, Heidi G Lerner 
<ler...@stanford.edu<mailto:ler...@stanford.edu>> wrote:

Hi all,


I have a cover statement


"מהדורת  קדמ''ה"


I am unsure how to transcribe


קדמ''ה


Any help will be appreciated.


thanks, Heidi


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Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953<tel:(650)%20725-9953>

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[Heb-NACO] help with abbreviation

[Heidi G Lerner]

Hi all,


I have a cover statement


"מהדורת  קדמ''ה"


I am unsure how to transcribe


קדמ''ה


Any help will be appreciated.


thanks, Heidi


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Metadata Dept.

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Stanford, CA 94305-6004

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[Heb-NACO] help with creating a uniform title for Shaʻar ha-teshuvah

[Heidi G Lerner]

Hi all


I need to create a preferred title for Shaʻar ha-teshuvah from Ḥovot 
ha-levavot. To do this I need to create the Arabic preferred title to which I 
would append $lHebrew


My cross reference would be


Baḥya ben Joseph ibn Paḳuda, ǂd active 11th century. ǂt Hidāyah ilá 
farāʼiḍ al-qulūb.$tShaʻar ha-teshuvah


I am not sure how to construct the Arabic preferred title.


In Arabic it is written

الباب السابع في شرح وجوه التوبه وحدودها وتوابها

Does this seem correct?

Baḥya ben Joseph ibn Paḳuda, ǂd active 11th century. ǂtSharʻ wujuh al-tawba 
wa-hudūdha  wa-tawābha.$lHebrew

I am cc'ing  Joyce Bell and Iman Dagher on this  because of her experience as 
their roles as coordinator of the Arabic NACO Funnel

Any help that can be offered will be appreciated. Thank ..

Best, Heidi

cc: Joyce Bell, Iman Dagher






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[Heb-NACO] Joan Biella's documentation on adding Hebrew script cross-references

[Heidi G Lerner]

Before Joan Biella retired she put together a document on adding Hebrew script 
cross-references to authority records in the LC-NAF. I could not find it on the 
AJL-RAS wiki. Does anyone have a copy avaialable?


Thanks, Heiid


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[Heb-NACO] out of office

[Heidi G Lerner]

I may be out of office for the next few days. If I do  not respond to you, I 
will get back to you as soon as I return to work.


Thanks, Heidi


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Metadata Dept.

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[Heb-NACO] further comment

[Heidi G Lerner]

p.s.


in the hopes of easily finding  a conflict  breaker easliy, I looked at 
ויקיפדיה  and they give a third date of birth of "1822."


However the article does give a list of reference sources that you could 
consult (including David Assaf's monograph) to see if you could find a third 
reference that corrobrates David Assaf's date of birth.


Bibliography of the Hebrew  book does not provide any dates for the heading in 
their file


If you are a NACO cataloger it really is up to you to use cataloger's judgement 
how far you want to dig into this.


But if you end up changing the dates in the heading, please don't forget to 
recode it as RDA and also request BFM from Nahid Gerstein at LC 
(ngerst...@loc.gov)


Best, Heidi

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Re: [Heb-NACO] Correcting dates in authority record 010 n 95001542

[Heidi G Lerner]

Dear Rini,


The reason that the record has the note about the 100 field is because of the 
presence of 2 elements for differentiating the heading, not because of the 
presence of the dates. Catalogers are instructed to review the heading so that 
it can be recoded to RDA. In this case we need to look at LC-PCC PS 9.19.1.8 
which tells us "


LC practice/PCC practice for Optional addition: Unless otherwise changing an 
existing authorized access point (e.g., conflict), do not change an existing 
AACR2 or RDA heading merely to add or remove an Other designation. "


So we would routinely consider this a valid heading and recode it.


However, what you are asking about is a change of date of birth.


Historically best practices have been that if we have a conflict between two 
dates (one in an existing heading and supporting 670) and another conflicting 
date in a different resource or reference source, then we should attempt to 
break the conflict with a third resource that supports one of the other two 
dates.


in the absence of a conflict breaker, I would strongly encourage you not to 
change the heading at this time, but record the information that you have found 
from the David Assaf book in a new 670. This will save a lot of time on having 
to update headings in the LCNAF and/or Bib file.


Let me know if this is clear or you have further questions.


best, Heidi



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Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

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ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



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Subject: [Heb-NACO] Correcting dates in authority record 010 n 95001542


Shalom everyone,



I'm working on the authority record of   n  95001542  (Dov Ber, ǂc mi-Leoṿi, 
ǂd 1827-1876)

The OCLC record has note: THIS 1XX FIELD CANNOT BE USED UNDER RDA UNTIL THIS 
RECORD HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND/OR UPDATED



According to a comprehensive study by David Assaf, הציץ ונפגע :אנטומיה של 
מחלוקת חסידית = Beguiled by knowledge :an anatomy of a hasidic controversy  
(2012),

Dov Ber was born in תקפ"א (1820-1821).

May I correct the date of birth in the OCLC record, if I add the source?



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Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question

[Heidi G Lerner]

Hi all, Rav-Milim was discussed at a 2006 AJL RAS Cataloging Committee Meeting. 
Here is the record of what was decided.


"Hebrew dictionaries to supplement Even-Shoshan need to be authorized, 
especially for newer words. Rav milim and Morfix (online) were suggested. Use 
of these can be recommended for libraries with access to them."


I strongly encourage the cataloging committee to vote on the use of Rav-Milim 
(not sure about the strength of the relationship between Morfix and Rav-Milim, 
does anybody know)? We need to have an authorized source to consult when 
vocalizing and transcribing new words that have entered the Hebrew language 
regardless of origin.


I much prefer the romanization of "דייט" or "דיט" to be "deṭ".


I have never encountered a Hebrew word vocalized as "ey". Anyone seeing "deyṭ" 
would consider it a Yiddish word;   if the word is encountered in a Yiddish 
context then I would romanize it as "Deyt".


Best, Heidi


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Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

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fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford@lists.osu.edu> on behalf 
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Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question


So then the Romanization should be deyṭ?



Should the Cataloging Committee hold a vote on using Rav Milim or Morfix as an 
authorized source for Romanization of words that are not found in the most 
recent edition of Even-Shoshan?  Or should we wait until next summer’s 
cataloging committee meeting to discuss the question further?



Best wishes,

Jerry Anne Dickel



Hebraica Catalog librarian

Yale University Library



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I'm sorry, but I disagree. This is not a case of Tsere Male. It is a Tsere 
(Romanized as e), followed by a consonantal Yod (i). The Yod is not part of the 
nikkud and therefore should be Romanized separately.

Tsere Male is Romanized as "e" because according to the Sepharadi tradition it 
is *not* vocalized as a diphthong. The correspondence with the Academy of the 
Hebrew language, quoted by Haim, shows that the Sheva under the Yod inדייט  is 
there *to indicate the diphthong*, and that it is *not* vocalized as the Yod in 
בית, and therefore should not be Romanized the same way.





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National Library of Israel









From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+janet.shamir=nli.org...@lists.osu.edu] 
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Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 4:46 PM
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So according to our rules (if there is a Tsere under the Dalet), we have to 
romanize it as Det.

Am I correct?



Yossi






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On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Gottschalk, Haim 
<h...@loc.gov<mailto:h...@loc.gov>> wrote:

According to an email correspondence with the Academy of the Hebrew Language:



“The word דייט is vocalized with צירי under the דל"ת and (silent) שווא under 
the יו"ד, thus:  דֵּיְט.”



And a follow up email



“the שווא under the יו"ד, though silent, is there to indicate that the יו"ד 
*is* pronounced -- i.e., to indicate the diphthong "ey" ("deyt").  "Native" 
Hebrew words, by comparison, never have a שווא under a יו"ד that follows צירי 
(compare -בֵּית = "bet").”





Haim



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 On Behalf Of Janet Shamir
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:06 AM

To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question



Rav-Milim and Morfix normalize it to דֵּיְט, with a Sheva under the Yod which 
indicates that it's consonantal. This is in accordance with the transliteration 
rules of the Academy of the Hebrew Language for foreign names (which do not 
necessarily apply for loan words, but are often used for

[Heb-NACO] a view from the curatorial / public service side

[Heidi G Lerner]

p.s.


I received this privately from one of our bibliographer colleagues and I think 
that that community's opinions should be heard as well as they represenet our 
"customers":


(By the way, I have been following the cataloging discussion about dalet yud 
yud tet. If the transliteration doesn't match the way the word is actually 
pronounced, then it can't be right. If the word is pronounced as it is is det, 
then I would agree with the person who treated the two yuds as if they were one)



Thanks, Heidi


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Metadata Dept.

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Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question

[Heidi G Lerner]

Yes, that is correct according to ALA/LC romanzation of Hebrew.


Heidi G. Lerner

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e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford@lists.osu.edu> on behalf 
of Yossi Galron <jgal...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:45 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question

So according to our rules (if there is a Tsere under the Dalet), we have to 
romanize it as Det.
Am I correct?

Yossi



Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger
E-Mail: galro...@osu.edu<mailto:galro...@osu.edu>  or 
jgal...@gmail.com<mailto:jgal...@gmail.com>
Tel.: (614) 292-3362,  Fax: (614)292-1918
Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Gottschalk, Haim 
<h...@loc.gov<mailto:h...@loc.gov>> wrote:
According to an email correspondence with the Academy of the Hebrew Language:

“The word דייט is vocalized with צירי under the דל"ת and (silent) שווא under 
the יו"ד, thus:  דֵּיְט.”

And a follow up email

“the שווא under the יו"ד, though silent, is there to indicate that the יו"ד 
*is* pronounced -- i.e., to indicate the diphthong "ey" ("deyt").  "Native" 
Hebrew words, by comparison, never have a שווא under a יו"ד that follows צירי 
(compare -בֵּית = "bet").”


Haim

From: Heb-naco 
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 On Behalf Of Janet Shamir
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:06 AM

To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question

Rav-Milim and Morfix normalize it to דֵּיְט, with a Sheva under the Yod which 
indicates that it's consonantal. This is in accordance with the transliteration 
rules of the Academy of the Hebrew Language for foreign names (which do not 
necessarily apply for loan words, but are often used for them). In the case of 
a word without nikkud, those rules require a double Yod to indicate the 
original pronunciation.

A double-Yod is common in loan words, such as  טייפor דייט, as a 
transliteration of the diphthong EY.
They are pronounced with a double Sheva at the end, both silent, as two 
consequent Shevaim at the end of a word are always quiescent.

In my opinion, Yiddish Romanization should only be used for Yiddish words, 
since "a distinctively Yiddish name in a Hebrew context may be romanized as 
Yiddish" (hence, a name/word which is not distinctively Yiddish may not be 
Romanized as such).
If the Romanization attempts to represent the sound of the Hebrew words as they 
are pronounced by modern Israeli speakers, then loan words which contain a 
double Yod should be Romanized according to this pronunciation.
According to the ALA/LC Romanization rules, the Yod in Hebrew is Romanized as 
"y" only when it is followed by a vowel. However, the form daiṭ would be 
vocalized as (IPA) /daɪt/ instead of /deɪt/.
Thus, I would Romanize טייפ  and  דייט as ṭeip and  deiṭ, and words with the 
diphthong AY, such as בייט (byte) or טיים  (time), as baiṭ and ṭaim, as the 
diphthong  is Romanization in ALA-LC Romanization rules.
Sometimes,  יי is used in loan words as part of the Hebrew transliteration of 
"-tion", in which case they are pronounced (and in my opinion, should be 
Romanized as) "shen":  פרוטקשיין, קונקשיין, קולקשיין  (protection, connection 
and collection).

As for using Rav-Milim, I think it is a reliable source for the vocalization of 
contemporary Hebrew and loan words. Its editors can be contacted online with 
questions/corrections.
Their policy is described here:
http://www.ravmilim.co.il/adv/general/index.htm#m


---

Janet Shamir
Hebrew Cataloging Department
National Library of Israel


From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+janet.shamir=nli.org...@lists.osu.edu] 
On Behalf Of Heidi G Lerner
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:37 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question


mea culpa:



in Rav-Milim and Morfix דייט has been normalized to דיט, so it should be 
romanized as "deṭ'





I would like propose that we adopt Rav-Milim as another stanford for 
romanization/vocalization for the more contemporary words that have entered the 
Hebrew language since E-S' last edition of 2007 and do not appear there or in 
Alcalay.



i believe that we talked about this in years gone by.







Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953<tel:(650)%20725-9953>

fax: 650-725-1120<tel:(650)%20725-1120>

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Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question

[Heidi G Lerner]

mea culpa:


in Rav-Milim and Morfix דייט has been normalized to דיט, so it should be 
romanized as "deṭ'



I would like propose that we adopt Rav-Milim as another stanford for 
romanization/vocalization for the more contemporary words that have entered the 
Hebrew language since E-S' last edition of 2007 and do not appear there or in 
Alcalay.


i believe that we talked about this in years gone by.




Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Yossi Galron 
<jgal...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question

Our rule is that it should be Dait  (two Yods are "ai")

Yossi



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Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Gottschalk, Haim 
<h...@loc.gov<mailto:h...@loc.gov>> wrote:
Dear colleagues:

How would you vocalize דייט? I could not the word in the dictionaries, nor find 
it vocalized in worldcat, nor on the internet. The word is pronounced as “date” 
as going out on a date. I have Romanized it as “deyit”.

Thanks in advance.

Haim

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Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question

[Heidi G Lerner]

According to our rules ( ALA/LC romanization) it would be Daiṭ.


This is confirmed by the online dictionary which is the free-access of Rav-milim


as Daiṭ as well.




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Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

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From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford@lists.osu.edu> on behalf 
of Gottschalk, Haim <h...@loc.gov>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:28 PM
To: 'heb-n...@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu'
Subject: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question


Dear colleagues:



How would you vocalize דייט? I could not the word in the dictionaries, nor find 
it vocalized in worldcat, nor on the internet. The word is pronounced as “date” 
as going out on a date. I have Romanized it as “deyit”.



Thanks in advance.



Haim



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Library of Congress, Israel and Judaica Section

101 Independence Avenue, SE, LM-537 (4222)

Washington, D.C. 20540-4222 U.S.A.



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[Heb-NACO] Fw: White Paper from the PCC Linked Data Advisory Group

[Heidi G Lerner]

I strongly encourage all of you to read this important document. It highlights 
the direction that our work is going and the many associated issues.


Stanford will very soon start experimenting with the creation of original 
catalog records using the Bibframe 2 model, as well as testing out other types 
of workflows using Linked Data.


best, Heidi




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Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

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fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <pccl...@listserv.loc.gov> on behalf 
of Beacom, Matthew <matthew.bea...@yale.edu>
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 10:18 AM
To: pccl...@listserv.loc.gov
Subject: [PCCLIST] White Paper from the PCC Linked Data Advisory Group


Hi all,



Please follow this link to see the Linked Data Advisory Committee’s white 
paper: Linked Data Infrastructure Models: Areas of Focus for PCC Strategies.



https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/documents/LinkedDataInfrastructureModels.pdf



The link is also on the PCC Webpage.



The conclusion can be used as an executive summary, but the paper is brief and 
concise. The full paper is 28 pages.



This analysis and recommendations was prepared by members of the PCC Linked 
Data Advisory Committee: Jennifer Baxmeyer, Karen Coyle, Joanna Dyla, MJ Han, 
Steven Folsom, Phil Schreur, Tim Thompson



I thank them, on behalf of PCC, for the brilliant work they’ve done in this 
paper. I hope you all find it as helpful as I have, and I look forward to using 
the paper to shape our work on our strategic plan



All the best,





Matthew



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Re: [Heb-NACO] help with abbreviation

[Heidi G Lerner]

Thanks!


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

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Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford@lists.osu.edu> on behalf 
of Miriam Gloger <miriamglo...@bookops.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 11:19 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] help with abbreviation

http://viaf.org/viaf/130163543
קהל יטב לב ד'סאטמאר --
Ḳahal Yeṭev lev de-Saṭmar

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Heidi G Lerner 
<ler...@stanford.edu<mailto:ler...@stanford.edu>> wrote:

Hi all,


Could someone provide me with a proper transcription of the abbreviation:


דקיט''ל


Thanks, Heidi


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Re: [Heb-NACO] Subject heading for Omer Harvest Ceremony

[Heidi G Lerner]

Hi Barry,


I would be glad to work with you on it. Unfortunately since you are not a 
member of a PCC instiuttion, nor, a member of the Judaica SACO Funnel you would 
not be able to submit a subject proposal yourself. I coordinate the Judaica 
SACO Funnel and we could work on it together.


Best, Heidi


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Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

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fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford@lists.osu.edu> on behalf 
of Barry Walfish <barry.walf...@utoronto.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 4:43 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel (heb-naco@lists.osu.edu)
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Subject heading for Omer Harvest Ceremony


Safranim,



I recently acquired a number of pamphlets containing the Omer harvest ceremony 
for Kibbutz Heftsibah. We don’t seem to have a subject heading for this 
ceremony, which goes back to the time of the Mishnah and was revived by many 
kibbutzim.  So I’d like to propose the subject heading:



“Omer harvest ceremony” or something similar for LC’s consideration.

Any comments?



Thanks,



Barry



Barry Dov Walfish, Ph.D.

Judaica and Religious Studies Specialist

Collection Development Department and

Thomas Fisher Rare Book Library

University of Toronto Library

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Toronto, ON

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Re: [Heb-NACO] AJL RAS Cataloging Committee and romanization of foreign loan words

[Heidi G Lerner]

I agree with them as well.


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

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fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



I also agree with Yosi and Joan.
Thanks, Heidi


From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford@lists.osu.edu> on behalf 
of Robert M. TALBOTT <rtalb...@library.berkeley.edu>
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 9:55 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] AJL RAS Cataloging Committee and romanization of 
foreign loan words

For what it counts, I agree with Yossi and Joan, which is to say, all loan 
words should be treated the same. No deramah, only dramah.

B

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Dickel, Geraldine 
<geraldine.dic...@yale.edu<mailto:geraldine.dic...@yale.edu>> wrote:
Dear colleagues,

I have posted the minutes from the 2016 AJL RAS Cataloging Committee meeting on 
the AJL RAS Cataloging Wiki 
(http://rascat.pbworks.com/w/page/117519816/AJL%20RAS%20Cataloging%20Committee%20Meeting-2016).
  Thank you, Lenore Bell, for taking and writing up the minutes for us – I am 
very grateful.

One issue from the meeting that has not yet been resolved is the question of 
the romanization of initial consonant clusters in foreign loan word of Greek or 
Latin origen, such as Deramah/Dramah, words beginning with pesikh/psikh, etc., 
as well as pesefas/psefas.  The members of the AJL RAS Catalog committee need 
to vote on whether or not to change the policy of following Alcalay in such 
cases.  Section 6 of the 2016 meeting minutes reports on the discussion of this 
issue that took place at the committee meeting.  The archive of the email 
discussion of this issue is at 
https://www.mail-archive.com/heb-naco@lists.osu.edu/msg00389.html

On page 19 of Hebraica Cataloging RDA, under Foreign Loan Words, it is written:
“The first sheṿa in a foreign loan word with an initial consonantal cluster is 
generally treated as a sheṿa naḥ. For correct romanization it is necessary to 
consult Even-Shoshan and Alcalay on a case-by-case basis.”

Should we add a line to the manual stating that Alcalay should not be followed 
in cases of foreign loan words of Greek or Latin origin.   Should all initial 
shevas in such words be considered to be silent shevas?  Or is there some other 
principle by which we should determine if the initial sheva is silent or vocal 
for these words?  Are there any foreign loan words of Greek or Latin origin for 
which we would not want to treat an initial sheva as a silent sheva?

I would like to open the “floor” for any additional discussion on this matter, 
prior to calling for a vote on the proposal to change the policy of following 
Alcalay in cases of foreign loan words of Greek or Latin origin.

Sincerely,
Jerry Anne Dickel (chair)


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Re: [Heb-NACO] Nokhehim? Nokhhim?

[Heidi G Lerner]

Bob, I agree with you. I just re-checked and examples are found on p. 17-18 of 
the current edition (found online at 
file:///C:/Users/lerner/Downloads/HCM%20RDA%20guide%20(8).pdf).


So, yes I think that it should be "nokhhim" odd as it looks and sounds.




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Metadata Dept.

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fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Robert M. TALBOTT 
<rtalb...@library.berkeley.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 8:28 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Nokhehim? Nokhhim?

I'm not sure I understand.  From what I've gleaned from Maher, when a sheva 
falls under a consonant that follows a vowel, it's understood as a sheva nah as 
far as our romanization scheme goes, thus "nokhhim."



On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Heidi G Lerner 
<ler...@stanford.edu<mailto:ler...@stanford.edu>> wrote:

We have historically provided a simple rule for romanizing Hebrew because we 
cannot assume that all Hebraica catalogers who are required to romanize have a 
strong background in דקדוק.


And that rule, encoded in two editions of Hebraica cataloging is to follow the 
vocalization in the most recent edition of Even-Shoshan and Alkalay. Both of 
these dictionaries have a "sheva" under the "כ". Thus we do as Yossi says we do.


"nokheḥut".


Thanks, Heidi


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Metadata Dept.

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From: Heb-naco 
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 on behalf of Joan Biella <jbiella2...@gmail.com<mailto:jbiella2...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 8:31 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Nokhehim? Nokhhim?

Yossi knows us well.  I don't think you'll find a rule in the HCM even now that 
would justify an /e/ between the khaf and the het, no matter how they have to 
be pronounced.

Joan

On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Yossi Galron 
<jgal...@gmail.com<mailto:jgal...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Bob,
Hebrew is a living language. I don't know the grammatical rule (Sheva na? Sheva 
merahef?), but modern Hebrew speakers are saying Nokhehim. Try to pronounce two 
Khaf or  Het sounds without a vowel between them.
I know my answer will not satisfy you. Maybe someone on the list will be more 
satisfying.
Happy Passover/Easter
Yossi


On Apr 17, 2017 21:10, "Robert M. TALBOTT" 
<rtalb...@library.berkeley.edu<mailto:rtalb...@library.berkeley.edu>> wrote:
Why?

On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Yossi Galron 
<jgal...@gmail.com<mailto:jgal...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Nohekhim.



On Apr 17, 2017 18:22, "Robert M. TALBOTT" 
<rtalb...@library.berkeley.edu<mailto:rtalb...@library.berkeley.edu>> wrote:
Folks:

Does נוכחים follow the pattern of lomdim (nokh[dot]him) or the pattern of 
mitpalelim (mokhe[dot]him)?

Thanks

B

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Re: [Heb-NACO] Nokhehim? Nokhhim?

[Heidi G Lerner]

We have historically provided a simple rule for romanizing Hebrew because we 
cannot assume that all Hebraica catalogers who are required to romanize have a 
strong background in דקדוק.


And that rule, encoded in two editions of Hebraica cataloging is to follow the 
vocalization in the most recent edition of Even-Shoshan and Alkalay. Both of 
these dictionaries have a "sheva" under the "כ". Thus we do as Yossi says we do.


"nokheḥut".


Thanks, Heidi


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Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

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fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford@lists.osu.edu> on behalf 
of Joan Biella <jbiella2...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 8:31 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Nokhehim? Nokhhim?

Yossi knows us well.  I don't think you'll find a rule in the HCM even now that 
would justify an /e/ between the khaf and the het, no matter how they have to 
be pronounced.

Joan

On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Yossi Galron 
<jgal...@gmail.com<mailto:jgal...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Bob,
Hebrew is a living language. I don't know the grammatical rule (Sheva na? Sheva 
merahef?), but modern Hebrew speakers are saying Nokhehim. Try to pronounce two 
Khaf or  Het sounds without a vowel between them.
I know my answer will not satisfy you. Maybe someone on the list will be more 
satisfying.
Happy Passover/Easter
Yossi


On Apr 17, 2017 21:10, "Robert M. TALBOTT" 
<rtalb...@library.berkeley.edu<mailto:rtalb...@library.berkeley.edu>> wrote:
Why?

On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Yossi Galron 
<jgal...@gmail.com<mailto:jgal...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Nohekhim.



On Apr 17, 2017 18:22, "Robert M. TALBOTT" 
<rtalb...@library.berkeley.edu<mailto:rtalb...@library.berkeley.edu>> wrote:
Folks:

Does נוכחים follow the pattern of lomdim (nokh[dot]him) or the pattern of 
mitpalelim (mokhe[dot]him)?

Thanks

B

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Re: [Heb-NACO] Sefer Tsahot or Sefer Tsahut?

[Heidi G Lerner]

I agree with Yosi. I don't think that it would work otherwise, i.e., as an 
adjective.


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Metadata Dept.

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fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Yossi Galron 
<jgal...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 2:36 PM
To: Robert Talbott; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Sefer Tsahot or Sefer Tsahut?

Bob,
The noun is Tsahut - see Even Shoshan, Alcalay and Milon Ariel ha-makif.

My two cents.

Yossi



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Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 5:25 PM, Robert M. TALBOTT 
<rtalb...@library.berkeley.edu<mailto:rtalb...@library.berkeley.edu>> wrote:
Folks:

I have a recent publication from Mosad Rav Kuk here at my desk which is a 
republication of a work by Ibn Ezra.  The issue is that the vocalization for 
the key noun is ambiguous and works either way.

The title is Sefer tsadi-het-vav-tav.  My inclination is to read that as 
"tsahut."  However, it may also be read as "tsahot," which is grammatical 
though it seems a less obvious choice. Also, it seems to be the preferred 
vocalization in OCLC.

Does anyone out there know or have a better sense of what's traditional re. 
tsahut/tsahot?

Thanks

B

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[Heb-NACO] more on צחות

[Heidi G Lerner]

p.s For what it is worth, the EJ (1972) has Sefer Z?ahut in its article on Ibn 
Ezra


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Re: [Heb-NACO] Balu'a

[Heidi G Lerner]

Hi,


I really think that this example is a very good reason why we should take the 
rule outlined in LC-PCC PS 9.2.2.5.3 with some restraint. "

LC practice for Alternative: Instead of recording the preferred title for each 
of the works in the compilation, record a conventional collective title 
followed by "Selections." Give an authorized access point for the first or 
predominant work (Policy Statement 
25.1[http://access.rdatoolkit.org/images/lcpslink.png]<http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=lcpschp25=lcps25-353#lcps25-353>)
 or expression (Policy Statement 
26.1[http://access.rdatoolkit.org/images/lcpslink.png]<http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=lcpschp26=lcps26-219#lcps26-219>)."

Without contacting the author directly do we really know what genre these are? 
I can't personally access the  book so I can evaluate. An article in Yediot 
Aharonot describes them as short stories, so that could be substituted for 
poems.

Jasmin, since you are not an LC cataloger you don't have to follow the LC-PCC 
PS. You can enter the book under the author/title and add name/title added 
entries for the other titles.

Best, Heidi



In this case without consulting the author directly (

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e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford@lists.osu.edu> on behalf 
of Shinohara, Jasmin <jsh...@pobox.upenn.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 10:20 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Balu'a


Hi folks, I have the above title in hand (ocn952528149) and am trying to figure 
out what the correct 240 should be.  The record implies that the book is a 
compilation of poems by the author; looking in the book, it is not a book of 
poems at all (and is not considered such by Israeli libraries, either).  I'm 
not sure what it is; essays perhaps (some as short as 2 lines)?  Anybody 
willing and able to take a look and advise?



Many thanks, Jasmin


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[Heb-NACO] To funnnel members: vacation

[Heidi G Lerner]

To all members of 1 or all of the following 3 funnels: Hebrew NACO, Hebrew 
BIBCO, Judaica SACO,


I will be on vacation from Dec. 21, 2016-Jan. 3, 2017. Please do not send any 
new records for review during that period.


Thanks, Heid Lerner (Coordinator, Hebrew NACO, Hebrew BIBCO, Judaica SACO 
funnels.





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[Heb-NACO] Former website of Hebrew NACO Funnel closed down; content migrated to AJL RAS Cataloging wiki

[Heidi G Lerner]

Hi all,


A quick note to let you know that content from the former Hebrew NACO Funnel 
website has been migrated to the Association of Jewish Libraries (AJL) RAS 
Cataloging wiki http://rascat.pbworks.com/w/page/7836007/Home, maintaned by 
Jasmin Shinohara The original site has bee has been removed. Please update your 
book marks.



If you have any comments, or would like to see content added please contact 
Jasmin (jsh...@upenn.edu)and myself (ler...@stanford.edu).


Thanks, Heidi Lerner


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Re: [Heb-NACO] Identifying and Disambiguating Zalmy Raiskin

[Heidi G Lerner]

It looks like you have an author who uses different names for different types 
of books.


1) Shlomy Raiskin - adult books on Jewish legal themes, mishnah, etc. (OCLC # 
61361718, 48613943)


2) Raiskin, Zalmy - children's books


These identities are linked by 
https://www.geni.com/people/Zalmy-Raiskin/64965687980 (geni.com) and 
NAR n 2001052343


3) Shenhav, Zalmy - I am not sure what we should do with this identify. It also 
is affiliated with children's literature


Perhaps the easiet thing is to link the NARS for Shlomy Raiskin and Zalmy 
Raiskin as outlined in 9.2.2.8 and makd Shenhav, Zalmy a xref to Raiskin, Zalmy.


If at such time we get more information and we can always make changes.


I am certain that this is one of the sons of Barbara Elefant-Raiskin but I 
could not find anything on the web to prove it.


Just my thoughts.


Best, Heidi

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Genealogy<https://www.geni.com/people/Zalmy-Raiskin/64965687980>
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Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford@lists.osu.edu> on behalf 
of Netanel Ganin <nga...@brandeis.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 6:27 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Identifying and Disambiguating Zalmy Raiskin

shalom shalom,

We've recently received a lot of children's books authored and/or illustrated 
by Barbara Elefant-Raiskin.

All of them are copyrighted by "Zalmy (Shlomy) Raiskin"

Some are translated by "Zalmy Raiskin"

I had thought that the AAP for this person was:


Raiskin, Zalmy, 1972 or 1973-

but then I saw a record which used the AAP

Raiskin, Shlomy

now I'm holding two more books which are authored by "Zalmy Shenhav" and an 
institution has assigned an AAP of Raiskin, Shlomy

Are all three people the same person? Are these alternate identities? I was 
unable to track down contact info for him, but that may be needed here.

confusedly,

Netanel Ganin

Metadata Coordinator -- Hebrew Specialty
Brandeis University
(781) 736-4645 / nga...@brandeis.edu<mailto:nga...@brandeis.edu>

My pronouns are he/him/his

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Re: [Heb-NACO] 264 bracketed dates: = or that is?

[Heidi G Lerner]

Duly noted. A revised version is on the offing. (Somtime later this year).


Heidi G. Lerner

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fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Robert M. TALBOTT <rtalb...@library.berkeley.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 12:36 PM
To: Heidi G Lerner
Cc: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] 264 bracketed dates: = or that is?

Thanks Heidi.

If you're still working on the HCM, an example covering this case
might be beneficial to all.

Cheers

B

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Heidi G Lerner <ler...@stanford.edu> wrote:
> Hi Bob,
>
>
> I looked at the manual under the rule you cited and I do not see that we
> actually addressed the issue so I will go to the Toolkit.
>
>
> LC-PCC PS 2.8.6.3 tells us to follow the optional addition:
>
>
> If the date as it appears on the resource is represented in different
> calendars, record the dates in the order indicated by the sequence, layout,
> or typography of the dates on the source of information.
>
>
> For example if you have a date of publication in the Hebrew calendar
> followed by a date in the  Gregorian calendar in the same source of
> information you will record it as [Hebrew calendar=Gregorian calendar] (or
> vice versa depending on the order of dates).
>
>
> Also, if you have a Hebrew date of publication appearing in one source of
> information and a Gregorian date of publication appearing in another source
> of information you would follow the same practice.
>
>
> However if you have a Hebrew date of publication on one source and a
> Gregorian date of copyright or manufacture you would not record theses as
> parallel dates of publication.
>
>
> You would record the Hebrew date of publication witout brackets and the
> inferred date of publication based on the Gregorian date of copyright or
> manufacture in brackets.
>
>
> I hope that this clarifies the situation.
>
>
> Best, Heidi
>
>
> Heidi G. Lerner
>
> Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica
>
> Metadata Dept.
>
> Stanford University Libraries
>
> Stanford, CA 94305-6004
>
> ph: 650-725-9953
>
> fax: 650-725-1120
>
> e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu
>
>
>
> 
> From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Robert M.
> TALBOTT <rtalb...@library.berkeley.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 11:04 AM
> To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
> Subject: [Heb-NACO] 264 bracketed dates: = or that is?
>
> Folks:
>
> I've been seeing an awful lot of bracketed dates utilizing the equals
> (=) sign, to wit:
>
> where only a copyright of 774 and a copyright of 2014 are present on
> the t.p. verso
>
> $c [774 = 2014]
>
> As I read the HCM (2.8.6, pp. 47-48), it appears that the equals sign
> is only used in instances where there are two firm dates that are
> unbracketed.  Again, as I understand it, inside brackets, the phrase
> "that is" is used.
>
> where only a copyright of 774 and a copyright of 2014 are present on
> the publication
>
> $c [774, that is, 2014]
>
> Am I wrong? Have things changed?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bob
> --
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>
> Principal cataloger/Hebraica cataloger
>
> UC Berkeley
>
> 250 Moffitt
>
> Berkeley, CA 94720
>
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Re: [Heb-NACO] 264 bracketed dates: = or that is?

[Heidi G Lerner]

Hi Bob,


I looked at the manual under the rule you cited and I do not see that we 
actually addressed the issue so I will go to the Toolkit.


LC-PCC PS 2.8.6.3 tells us to follow the optional addition:


If the date as it appears on the resource is represented in different 
calendars, record the dates in the order indicated by the sequence, layout, or 
typography of the dates on the source of information.


For example if you have a date of publication in the Hebrew calendar followed 
by a date in the  Gregorian calendar in the same source of information you will 
record it as [Hebrew calendar=Gregorian calendar] (or vice versa depending on 
the order of dates).


Also, if you have a Hebrew date of publication appearing in one source of 
information and a Gregorian date of publication appearing in another source of 
information you would follow the same practice.


However if you have a Hebrew date of publication on one source and a Gregorian 
date of copyright or manufacture you would not record theses as parallel dates 
of publication.


You would record the Hebrew date of publication witout brackets and the 
inferred date of publication based on the Gregorian date of copyright or 
manufacture in brackets.


I hope that this clarifies the situation.


Best, Heidi


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu



From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Robert M. TALBOTT 
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Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 11:04 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: [Heb-NACO] 264 bracketed dates: = or that is?

Folks:

I've been seeing an awful lot of bracketed dates utilizing the equals
(=) sign, to wit:

where only a copyright of 774 and a copyright of 2014 are present on
the t.p. verso

$c [774 = 2014]

As I read the HCM (2.8.6, pp. 47-48), it appears that the equals sign
is only used in instances where there are two firm dates that are
unbracketed.  Again, as I understand it, inside brackets, the phrase
"that is" is used.

where only a copyright of 774 and a copyright of 2014 are present on
the publication

$c [774, that is, 2014]

Am I wrong? Have things changed?

Thanks

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