Re: [HG] Chanterelle string for low D
Hi Arle Pleased to report a bit of a breakthrough re. the low d chanter. I still have not found the make of the string I have that works best but a major improvement in harmonic resistance is gained by only applying cotton at the keybox edge of the wheel. This effectively bows the string further away from the bridge. It also imparts a more mellow tone.My first tentative scratchings can be seen here : http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individualvideoid=35597142 I'm sure I've heard this tune somewhere, does anyone have a title or discography for it? Cheers Neil http://www.hurdy-gurdy.org.uk - Original Message - From: Arle Lommel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hg@hurdygurdy.com Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [HG] Chanterelle string for low D Hi Neil, How do you define limited success? What hasn't worked with what you've tried? I admit that I can't help you here since I play in C/G with an octave chanter using viola strings with no problem, but you want to go a fourth lower and there I have no success. But in any event it would help to know what the problem you've faced is exactly. Part of the problem may be that you're really quite low. Balázs Nagy experimented with chanterelles in the range you suggest for a bass instrument and found that below a certain pitch (somewhere near where you're talking about, if I remember correctly), the vibrational envelope of the string gets too big for the tangents to effectively stop the string (the string bounces off them or something like that), so you end up with unclear intonation and other related problems. I don't remember all the details, but he ran into these problems when trying to pitch a Hungarian instrument down an octave, which would put it right near the range you're talking about. -Arle On May 28, 2008, at 2:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I'm not usually one to plead for help but this problem is costing a lot of time and money so any help will be greatly appreciated. I've just built a three chantrelle gurdy 345mm scale length and am tuning it to normal D/G tuning . The third chanterelle is to be the next octave D down. Has anyone found a string to achieve a reasonable result at this pitch ? I've tried a lot of viola C strings with limited success. Regards Neil Brook -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1470 - Release Date: 28/05/2008 07:20
Re: [HG] Chanterelle string for low D
Neil: I have been following this thread intently and find your solution most interesting! It tends to follows a general principal I discussed with a high end violin builder in Arkansas last year. I asked him: If a violin player wants the best tone, what is the optimum bow placement in relationship to the bridge? It all depends, he replied, The best players are right next to the bridge and this produces more core which he defined as power and fullness of tone. However, he explained that it requires the most careful bow pressure to have it work well. It seems that his concept is instructive for us HG builders. String pressure becomes more critical as we move the wheel very close to the bridge and producing a quality sound becomes more difficult. Neil, it seems that you were able to functionally change the string contact point as it relates to the bridge by creative cotton placement. I just love simple solutions like this and I say well done. Thanks for sharing Mel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Arle Pleased to report a bit of a breakthrough re. the low d chanter. I still have not found the make of the string I have that works best but a major improvement in harmonic resistance is gained by only applying cotton at the keybox edge of the wheel. This effectively bows the string further away from the bridge. It also imparts a more mellow tone.My first tentative scratchings can be seen here : http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individualvideoid=35597142 I'm sure I've heard this tune somewhere, does anyone have a title or discography for it? Cheers Neil http://www.hurdy-gurdy.org.uk - Original Message - From: Arle Lommel To: Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [HG] Chanterelle string for low D Hi Neil, How do you define limited success? What hasn't worked with what you've tried? I admit that I can't help you here since I play in C/G with an octave chanter using viola strings with no problem, but you want to go a fourth lower and there I have no success. But in any event it would help to know what the problem you've faced is exactly. Part of the problem may be that you're really quite low. Balázs Nagy experimented with chanterelles in the range you suggest for a bass instrument and found that below a certain pitch (somewhere near where you're talking about, if I remember correctly), the vibrational envelope of the string gets too big for the tangents to effectively stop the string (the string bounces off them or something like that), so you end up with unclear intonation and other related problems. I don't remember all the details, but he ran into these problems when trying to pitch a Hungarian instrument down an octave, which would put it right near the range you're talking about. -Arle On May 28, 2008, at 2:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I'm not usually one to plead for help but this problem is costing a lot of time and money so any help will be greatly appreciated. I've just built a three chantrelle gurdy 345mm scale length and am tuning it to normal D/G tuning . The third chanterelle is to be the next octave D down. Has anyone found a string to achieve a reasonable result at this pitch ? I've tried a lot of viola C strings with limited success. Regards Neil Brook -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1470 - Release Date: 28/05/2008 07:20
Re: [HG] Chanterelle string for low D
That sounds Great! Has a bit of a middle eastern flavor to it. Can you post that video on You Tube? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Arle Pleased to report a bit of a breakthrough re. the low d chanter. I still have not found the make of the string I have that works best but a major improvement in harmonic resistance is gained by only applying cotton at the keybox edge of the wheel. This effectively bows the string further away from the bridge. It also imparts a more mellow tone.My first tentative scratchings can be seen here : http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individualvideoid=35597142 I'm sure I've heard this tune somewhere, does anyone have a title or discography for it? Cheers Neil http://www.hurdy-gurdy.org.uk - Original Message - From: Arle Lommel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hg@hurdygurdy.com Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [HG] Chanterelle string for low D Hi Neil, How do you define limited success? What hasn't worked with what you've tried? I admit that I can't help you here since I play in C/G with an octave chanter using viola strings with no problem, but you want to go a fourth lower and there I have no success. But in any event it would help to know what the problem you've faced is exactly. Part of the problem may be that you're really quite low. Balázs Nagy experimented with chanterelles in the range you suggest for a bass instrument and found that below a certain pitch (somewhere near where you're talking about, if I remember correctly), the vibrational envelope of the string gets too big for the tangents to effectively stop the string (the string bounces off them or something like that), so you end up with unclear intonation and other related problems. I don't remember all the details, but he ran into these problems when trying to pitch a Hungarian instrument down an octave, which would put it right near the range you're talking about. -Arle On May 28, 2008, at 2:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I'm not usually one to plead for help but this problem is costing a lot of time and money so any help will be greatly appreciated. I've just built a three chantrelle gurdy 345mm scale length and am tuning it to normal D/G tuning . The third chanterelle is to be the next octave D down. Has anyone found a string to achieve a reasonable result at this pitch ? I've tried a lot of viola C strings with limited success. Regards Neil Brook -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1470 - Release Date: 28/05/2008 07:20
Re: [HG] Chanterelle string for low D
Hi Neil, After watching your video, I realized that I had somehow understood you to be talking about pitches an octave lower than what you are actually doing. You're nowhere near the low pitch where the oscillation of the string becomes uncontrollable with a single point of contact (like a tangent). One of my chanterelles is pitched only a fourth above yours and I've actually found it the easiest one to control of the bunch. It's using a metal viola string from Croatia (I don't have the label or remember the brand anymore). I love the mellow, almost trombone-like sound you can get out of strings in that range when played in the upper octave. Very beautiful. Your instrument sounds great. I especially like the sound when all three are engaged. I think I'm going to have to try replacing one of my gut high chanterelles with a fine metal one pitches an octave higher to get something like what you did. -Arle
Re: [HG] Chanterelle string for low D
Neil-- Awesome sound, great music! Thanks! Leonard Williams _ [: :] / | | \ | | | | (_==_) !~¿ On 6/7/08 6:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Arle Pleased to report a bit of a breakthrough re. the low d chanter. I still have not found the make of the string I have that works best but a major improvement in harmonic resistance is gained by only applying cotton at the keybox edge of the wheel. This effectively bows the string further away from the bridge. It also imparts a more mellow tone.My first tentative scratchings can be seen here : http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individualvideoid=35597142 I'm sure I've heard this tune somewhere, does anyone have a title or discography for it? Cheers Neil http://www.hurdy-gurdy.org.uk - Original Message - From: Arle Lommel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hg@hurdygurdy.com Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [HG] Chanterelle string for low D Hi Neil, How do you define limited success? What hasn't worked with what you've tried? I admit that I can't help you here since I play in C/G with an octave chanter using viola strings with no problem, but you want to go a fourth lower and there I have no success. But in any event it would help to know what the problem you've faced is exactly. Part of the problem may be that you're really quite low. Balázs Nagy experimented with chanterelles in the range you suggest for a bass instrument and found that below a certain pitch (somewhere near where you're talking about, if I remember correctly), the vibrational envelope of the string gets too big for the tangents to effectively stop the string (the string bounces off them or something like that), so you end up with unclear intonation and other related problems. I don't remember all the details, but he ran into these problems when trying to pitch a Hungarian instrument down an octave, which would put it right near the range you're talking about. -Arle On May 28, 2008, at 2:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I'm not usually one to plead for help but this problem is costing a lot of time and money so any help will be greatly appreciated. I've just built a three chantrelle gurdy 345mm scale length and am tuning it to normal D/G tuning . The third chanterelle is to be the next octave D down. Has anyone found a string to achieve a reasonable result at this pitch ? I've tried a lot of viola C strings with limited success. Regards Neil Brook -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1470 - Release Date: 28/05/2008 07:20
Re: [HG] Chanterelle string for low D
It's so frustrating, I can't open any video on MySpace... On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Leonard Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neil-- Awesome sound, great music! Thanks! Leonard Williams _ [: :] / | | \ | | | | (_==_) !~¿ On 6/7/08 6:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Arle Pleased to report a bit of a breakthrough re. the low d chanter. I still have not found the make of the string I have that works best but a major improvement in harmonic resistance is gained by only applying cotton at the keybox edge of the wheel. This effectively bows the string further away from the bridge. It also imparts a more mellow tone.My first tentative scratchings can be seen here : http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individualvideoid=35597142 I'm sure I've heard this tune somewhere, does anyone have a title or discography for it? Cheers Neil http://www.hurdy-gurdy.org.uk - Original Message - From: Arle Lommel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hg@hurdygurdy.com Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [HG] Chanterelle string for low D Hi Neil, How do you define limited success? What hasn't worked with what you've tried? I admit that I can't help you here since I play in C/G with an octave chanter using viola strings with no problem, but you want to go a fourth lower and there I have no success. But in any event it would help to know what the problem you've faced is exactly. Part of the problem may be that you're really quite low. Balázs Nagy experimented with chanterelles in the range you suggest for a bass instrument and found that below a certain pitch (somewhere near where you're talking about, if I remember correctly), the vibrational envelope of the string gets too big for the tangents to effectively stop the string (the string bounces off them or something like that), so you end up with unclear intonation and other related problems. I don't remember all the details, but he ran into these problems when trying to pitch a Hungarian instrument down an octave, which would put it right near the range you're talking about. -Arle On May 28, 2008, at 2:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I'm not usually one to plead for help but this problem is costing a lot of time and money so any help will be greatly appreciated. I've just built a three chantrelle gurdy 345mm scale length and am tuning it to normal D/G tuning . The third chanterelle is to be the next octave D down. Has anyone found a string to achieve a reasonable result at this pitch ? I've tried a lot of viola C strings with limited success. Regards Neil Brook -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1470 - Release Date: 28/05/2008 07:20
Re: [HG] Chanterelle string for low D
Hi Arle I agree the low G chanter is a lovely thing and I have fitted them with no problems . I was surprised at just how many more problems arose by just going down to D. I think maybe life's too short to try for the next octave down - but don't let that put you off!! Neil http://www.myspace.com/neilbrook http://www.hurdy-gurdy.org.uk - Original Message - From: Arle Lommel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hg@hurdygurdy.com Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [HG] Chanterelle string for low D Hi Neil, After watching your video, I realized that I had somehow understood you to be talking about pitches an octave lower than what you are actually doing. You're nowhere near the low pitch where the oscillation of the string becomes uncontrollable with a single point of contact (like a tangent). One of my chanterelles is pitched only a fourth above yours and I've actually found it the easiest one to control of the bunch. It's using a metal viola string from Croatia (I don't have the label or remember the brand anymore). I love the mellow, almost trombone-like sound you can get out of strings in that range when played in the upper octave. Very beautiful. Your instrument sounds great. I especially like the sound when all three are engaged. I think I'm going to have to try replacing one of my gut high chanterelles with a fine metal one pitches an octave higher to get something like what you did. -Arle -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.5/1479 - Release Date: 02/06/2008 19:02
[HG] Why must the wheel be removable?
Hello, George Leverett and I are wondering why some players prefer to be able to remove the wheel? It seems to be a preference for some, but we've not found the reasons why. He's busy building and shipping instruments, so I thought I'd ask on his behalf, as I'm curious as well. Thanks a lot. Matthew
Re: [HG] Chanterelle string for low D
Thank you Funny that I just managed to watch the 3D gurdy on myspace, it just started working (only that video, not any other) Nice sound! I particularly liked the string selection mechanism, although I could not see exactly how that worked. My HG, which I'll pick up at the luthier's house in Pontevedra, Spain in three weeks, looks a little like this HG, but it is in G/C and the strings are as follows: chanters: low G - middle C - high G drones: kinda like the chanters, only an octave below trompette: one, in C, with a capo for D I like how spanish HGs naturally have octave chanters... On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 10:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here it is on You Tube. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wUKY41JBb7w Neil - Original Message - *From:* Augusto de Ornellas Abreu [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* hg@hurdygurdy.com *Sent:* Saturday, June 07, 2008 7:20 PM *Subject:* Re: [HG] Chanterelle string for low D It's so frustrating, I can't open any video on MySpace... On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Leonard Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neil-- Awesome sound, great music! Thanks! Leonard Williams _ [: :] / | | \ | | | | (_==_) !~¿ On 6/7/08 6:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Arle Pleased to report a bit of a breakthrough re. the low d chanter. I still have not found the make of the string I have that works best but a major improvement in harmonic resistance is gained by only applying cotton at the keybox edge of the wheel. This effectively bows the string further away from the bridge. It also imparts a more mellow tone.My first tentative scratchings can be seen here : http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individualvideoid=35597142 I'm sure I've heard this tune somewhere, does anyone have a title or discography for it? Cheers Neil http://www.hurdy-gurdy.org.uk - Original Message - From: Arle Lommel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hg@hurdygurdy.com Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [HG] Chanterelle string for low D Hi Neil, How do you define limited success? What hasn't worked with what you've tried? I admit that I can't help you here since I play in C/G with an octave chanter using viola strings with no problem, but you want to go a fourth lower and there I have no success. But in any event it would help to know what the problem you've faced is exactly. Part of the problem may be that you're really quite low. Balázs Nagy experimented with chanterelles in the range you suggest for a bass instrument and found that below a certain pitch (somewhere near where you're talking about, if I remember correctly), the vibrational envelope of the string gets too big for the tangents to effectively stop the string (the string bounces off them or something like that), so you end up with unclear intonation and other related problems. I don't remember all the details, but he ran into these problems when trying to pitch a Hungarian instrument down an octave, which would put it right near the range you're talking about. -Arle On May 28, 2008, at 2:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I'm not usually one to plead for help but this problem is costing a lot of time and money so any help will be greatly appreciated. I've just built a three chantrelle gurdy 345mm scale length and am tuning it to normal D/G tuning . The third chanterelle is to be the next octave D down. Has anyone found a string to achieve a reasonable result at this pitch ? I've tried a lot of viola C strings with limited success. Regards Neil Brook -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1470 - Release Date: 28/05/2008 07:20 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.5/1479 - Release Date: 02/06/2008 19:02
Re: [HG] Why must the wheel be removable?
In most cases it's unlikely that the player should need to be able to remove the wheel. However, the builder and the restorer/repair person are going to find life a lot easier if the wheel can be removed. Here are just a few of the reasons: - to be able to service or replace the bearings - to be able to repair, resurface or replace the wheel if something catastrophic should happen to it - to be able to get inside the body for making repairs: the wheel hole is the largest opening into body, and is relatively centrally located - to have a clear field to work when finishing or refinishing the instrument The thought of making an instrument with a non-removable wheel makes me somewhat dizzy, especially after removing (with some difficulty) the permanently mounted wheels of older instruments. Alden Hello, George Leverett and I are wondering why some players prefer to be able to remove the wheel? It seems to be a preference for some, but we've not found the reasons why. He's busy building and shipping instruments, so I thought I'd ask on his behalf, as I'm curious as well. Thanks a lot. Matthew
Re: [HG] Why must the wheel be removable?
It's not a matter of players wanting to remove the wheel but rather of having the wheel set up so that it can be removed without taking the instrument apart. You might want to do this, for example, if the wheel is damaged or if you need to get in through the slot to service the axle in the event of something going wrong. But in normal usage I don't know of any players who remove the wheel except to service the instrument. -Arle On Jun 7, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Matthew Bullis wrote: Hello, George Leverett and I are wondering why some players prefer to be able to remove the wheel? It seems to be a preference for some, but we've not found the reasons why. He's busy building and shipping instruments, so I thought I'd ask on his behalf, as I'm curious as well. Thanks a lot. Matthew
[HG] planetary pegs
Hi list, A while ago there was a thread about planetary pegs. In the meantime I installed those planetary pegs on 4 gurdy's. On two of them I made a dot inlay at the top. If you're curious on how they look, once installed, I put up some pictures on http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Thanks a lot for the help, Arle, Neil and of course Brian Burns http://www.lessonsinlutherie.com/PlanetaryPegs.html who sent the pegs all the way to the Netherlands. I'm glad I don't need the tourne à gauche anymore and the pegs work great and they look a lot nicer than de banjo pegs. Brian told me he has got more types in stock at the moment. Greetings from Holland, Cor. -- Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter. 557 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. Download de gratis SPAMfighter via deze link: http://www.spamfighter.com/lnl
Re: [HG] Chanterelle string for low D
Hi Augusto There are three extra keys at the top end of the keybox which have a shallow groove the width of the keybox side. When they are pushed in, an ebony wedge lifts the string off by a minimum amount and the groove engages in the keybox side to hold it there. To release it, the key is simply lifted up to release the groove, repelling magnets at the far end of the key push it away from the string and the string is back on the wheel. I find some sort of instant string control invaluable, particularly when getting three strings in ( octave) unison. There are similar arrangements for controlling the drones too which allows the wound strings to stay put on the bridge so they almost never need tuning tuning and can be dropped in or out of play effortlessly. These are useful innovations or unnecessary complications depending on the player. Neil - Original Message - From: Augusto de Ornellas Abreu To: hg@hurdygurdy.com Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [HG] Chanterelle string for low D Thank you Funny that I just managed to watch the 3D gurdy on myspace, it just started working (only that video, not any other) Nice sound! I particularly liked the string selection mechanism, although I could not see exactly how that worked. My HG, which I'll pick up at the luthier's house in Pontevedra, Spain in three weeks, looks a little like this HG, but it is in G/C and the strings are as follows: chanters: low G - middle C - high G drones: kinda like the chanters, only an octave below trompette: one, in C, with a capo for D I like how spanish HGs naturally have octave chanters... On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 10:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here it is on You Tube. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wUKY41JBb7w Neil - Original Message - From: Augusto de Ornellas Abreu To: hg@hurdygurdy.com Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [HG] Chanterelle string for low D It's so frustrating, I can't open any video on MySpace... On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Leonard Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neil-- Awesome sound, great music! Thanks! Leonard Williams _ [: :] / | | \ | | | | (_==_) !~¿ On 6/7/08 6:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Arle Pleased to report a bit of a breakthrough re. the low d chanter. I still have not found the make of the string I have that works best but a major improvement in harmonic resistance is gained by only applying cotton at the keybox edge of the wheel. This effectively bows the string further away from the bridge. It also imparts a more mellow tone.My first tentative scratchings can be seen here : http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individualvideoid=35597142 I'm sure I've heard this tune somewhere, does anyone have a title or discography for it? Cheers Neil http://www.hurdy-gurdy.org.uk - Original Message - From: Arle Lommel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hg@hurdygurdy.com Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [HG] Chanterelle string for low D Hi Neil, How do you define limited success? What hasn't worked with what you've tried? I admit that I can't help you here since I play in C/G with an octave chanter using viola strings with no problem, but you want to go a fourth lower and there I have no success. But in any event it would help to know what the problem you've faced is exactly. Part of the problem may be that you're really quite low. Balázs Nagy experimented with chanterelles in the range you suggest for a bass instrument and found that below a certain pitch (somewhere near where you're talking about, if I remember correctly), the vibrational envelope of the string gets too big for the tangents to effectively stop the string (the string bounces off them or something like that), so you end up with unclear intonation and other related problems. I don't remember all the details, but he ran into these problems when trying to pitch a Hungarian instrument down an octave, which would put it right near the range you're talking about. -Arle On May 28, 2008, at 2:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I'm not usually one to plead for help but this problem is costing a lot of time and money so any help will be greatly appreciated. I've just built a three
Re[2]: [HG] Chanterelle string for low D
Outstanding, rich, entrancing sound. But that wheel looks to be about the size of a dinner plate Terriffic Chris *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 6/7/2008 at 11:38 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Arle Pleased to report a bit of a breakthrough re. the low d chanter. I still have not found the make of the string I have that works best but a major improvement in harmonic resistance is gained by only applying cotton at the keybox edge of the wheel. This effectively bows the string further away from the bridge. It also imparts a more mellow tone.My first tentative scratchings can be seen here : http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individualvideoid=35597142 I'm sure I've heard this tune somewhere, does anyone have a title or discography for it? Cheers Neil http://www.hurdy-gurdy.org.uk - Original Message - From: Arle Lommel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hg@hurdygurdy.com Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [HG] Chanterelle string for low D Hi Neil, How do you define limited success? What hasn't worked with what you've tried? I admit that I can't help you here since I play in C/G with an octave chanter using viola strings with no problem, but you want to go a fourth lower and there I have no success. But in any event it would help to know what the problem you've faced is exactly. Part of the problem may be that you're really quite low. Balázs Nagy experimented with chanterelles in the range you suggest for a bass instrument and found that below a certain pitch (somewhere near where you're talking about, if I remember correctly), the vibrational envelope of the string gets too big for the tangents to effectively stop the string (the string bounces off them or something like that), so you end up with unclear intonation and other related problems. I don't remember all the details, but he ran into these problems when trying to pitch a Hungarian instrument down an octave, which would put it right near the range you're talking about. -Arle On May 28, 2008, at 2:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I'm not usually one to plead for help but this problem is costing a lot of time and money so any help will be greatly appreciated. I've just built a three chantrelle gurdy 345mm scale length and am tuning it to normal D/G tuning . The third chanterelle is to be the next octave D down. Has anyone found a string to achieve a reasonable result at this pitch ? I've tried a lot of viola C strings with limited success. Regards Neil Brook -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1470 - Release Date: 28/05/2008 07:20
Re: [HG] Why must the wheel be removable?
Hi all: I'm a bit of a lurker on this list. Just a quick thanks for these great responses. This dovetails so nicely with conversations I've had with my customers as well; in my thinking the removeable wheel is more a convenience for warrantee issues than for the player. Much like how a neck on a Fender telecaster (guitar) is removeale, but what player would want to? Still, I do get asked this. Thanks everyone again for taking time to respond George Leverett http://altarwind.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hg@hurdygurdy.com Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [HG] Why must the wheel be removable? In most cases it's unlikely that the player should need to be able to remove the wheel. However, the builder and the restorer/repair person are going to find life a lot easier if the wheel can be removed. Here are just a few of the reasons: - to be able to service or replace the bearings - to be able to repair, resurface or replace the wheel if something catastrophic should happen to it - to be able to get inside the body for making repairs: the wheel hole is the largest opening into body, and is relatively centrally located - to have a clear field to work when finishing or refinishing the instrument The thought of making an instrument with a non-removable wheel makes me somewhat dizzy, especially after removing (with some difficulty) the permanently mounted wheels of older instruments. Alden Hello, George Leverett and I are wondering why some players prefer to be able to remove the wheel? It seems to be a preference for some, but we've not found the reasons why. He's busy building and shipping instruments, so I thought I'd ask on his behalf, as I'm curious as well. Thanks a lot. Matthew
