RE: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b
Ken, What you said is not entirely accurate. Copyright protects copying, distribution, public display/performance and other rights (depending on the state youre in) If Im a film studio, and I release a movie on VHS, its not legal for you to buy a legit copy, and then display it to 700 people whom you charged $5 a pop for admission. Similarly with your EULA for the SDK we have a right to copy the SDK for our personal use, but that doesnt give us the right to sell it after weve legally copied it. Copyright is a broad term describing a set of laws designed to protect your original content the moment its created. david -Original Message- From: Ken Birdwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 7:10 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b Okay, just to be really clear, it's a COPYright, not a SELLright. The control is at the COPYING stage of the process, not why you're doing it or what you're doing with it. A COPYRIGHT actually does refer the right to copy. It doesn't mater if you're giving it away, bundling it, selling it, whatever, it's illegal to COPY any material where you don't own the copyright, unless you have explicit permission to copy that material. Your half-life EULA and SDK EULA grants you certainrights that let you make certain types of copies (such as are needed to run the software on a single computer) but nothing past that (read your EULA, it goes into more detail). As to Tom's questions, yes, it IS illegal for folks to sell stuff on cd such as game demos and patches regardless of their motives unless they've received permission from the copyright holders. It doesn't mater what sort of tricky convoluted rationalization they use, they've made a copy of something they do not have permission to copy. This is the wholepoint of a copyright:controlling who is allowed to copy your material. That said, it's usually pretty easy to get permission for stuff like the SDK, patches, etc., just send email to Scott Lynch at Valve and ask. Demos are a little harder since they're often part of other deals (magazine covers, new hardware, etc.) but if you have something interestingyou're trying to do with it then you'll probably get permission, though you still have to ask. And yes, we have actually have agreements with the fileservers we know about to allow them to redistribute our material. -Original Message- From: Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 10:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b its not illegal to sell stuff on cd such as game demos and patches is it? They are paying for your time to get hold of the demo/patch and then put it on cd, not the actual demo/patch.
Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b
What sucks about fileplanet is that sure, they use the money to support the service, but ONLY PEOPLE WHO PAY CAN DOWNLOAD THE FILES. People who do not want to pay, or CAN'T pay, (underage, no credit card, no money, whatever) simply can't get the files. Oh, sure, you say they have mirrors in places where the server has a max of 20 people... But their main servers are always full, and often you have to wait hours and hours for one stupid tiny file that could have been put anywhere else much easier. I say: If fileplanet makes money off of OUR files, they should give a portion of that to the author. If you create a game that thousands of people download because its so popular, you should get 10% of what fileplanet makes on it. If stupid annoying fileplanet (which i hate with a passion) doesn't do that, then someone else should. -av Dave R. Meyers wrote: About the fileplanet thing. Well let me see, I hoave my own webpage, that I pay for myself. With about 500mb storage. Cost a little bit. Then I also have the OZ website supported by fileplanet. I have not received anything about a storage limit( but I only put OZ stuff there), and I get all kinda of support from FP, and PHL. All free. If they wanna change the people who what to d/l my stuff and don't want to wait, more power to them, but than me forking over yet another website few. Dave ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders -- - [DRP]Avatar-X SillyZone Homepage: www.thesillyzone.com SillyZone Forums: forum.thesillyzone.com My Homepage: www.cyberwyre.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b
fileplanet seems fine to me (or it could just be I live in UK so all the americans aint online to be hogging the other mirrors sorry but its true!). Also, if your saying that ppl cant put stuff on a cd, such as huge patches and such which 56kers cant download, how the hell do u expect them to get the patches and stuff?! - Original Message - From: [DRP]Avatar-X [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b What sucks about fileplanet is that sure, they use the money to support the service, but ONLY PEOPLE WHO PAY CAN DOWNLOAD THE FILES. People who do not want to pay, or CAN'T pay, (underage, no credit card, no money, whatever) simply can't get the files. Oh, sure, you say they have mirrors in places where the server has a max of 20 people... But their main servers are always full, and often you have to wait hours and hours for one stupid tiny file that could have been put anywhere else much easier. I say: If fileplanet makes money off of OUR files, they should give a portion of that to the author. If you create a game that thousands of people download because its so popular, you should get 10% of what fileplanet makes on it. If stupid annoying fileplanet (which i hate with a passion) doesn't do that, then someone else should. -av Dave R. Meyers wrote: About the fileplanet thing. Well let me see, I hoave my own webpage, that I pay for myself. With about 500mb storage. Cost a little bit. Then I also have the OZ website supported by fileplanet. I have not received anything about a storage limit( but I only put OZ stuff there), and I get all kinda of support from FP, and PHL. All free. If they wanna change the people who what to d/l my stuff and don't want to wait, more power to them, but than me forking over yet another website few. Dave ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders -- - [DRP]Avatar-X SillyZone Homepage: www.thesillyzone.com SillyZone Forums: forum.thesillyzone.com My Homepage: www.cyberwyre.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b
Then again, bare in mind that in the case of Half-Life the EULA states we are not allowed to make money off the game unless we have specific permission from VALVe such as is with Counter-Strike, Oposing Force, and Blueshift, which Gearbox had to go through some special procedure to get permission. So technically by law Fileplanet can't give us commisions. -Lakario - Original Message - From: [DRP]Avatar-X Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 4:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b What sucks about fileplanet is that sure, they use the money to support the service, butONLY PEOPLE WHO PAY CAN DOWNLOAD THE FILES.People who do not want to pay, or CAN'T pay, (underage, no credit card, no money,whatever) simply can't get the files.Oh, sure, you say they have mirrors in places where the server has a max of 20 people...But their main servers are always full, and often you have to wait hours and hours forone stupid tiny file that could have been put anywhere else much easier.I say: If fileplanet makes money off of OUR files, they should give a portion of that tothe author.If you create a game that thousands of people download because its so popular, youshould get 10% of what fileplanet makes on it.If stupid annoying fileplanet (which i hate with a passion) doesn't do that, thensomeone else should.-av"Dave R. Meyers" wrote: About the fileplanet thing. Well let me see, I hoave my own webpage, that I pay for myself. With about 500mb storage. Cost a little bit. Then I also have the OZ website supported by fileplanet. I have not received anything about a storage limit( but I only put OZ stuff there), and I get all kinda of support from FP, and PHL. All free. If they wanna change the people who what to d/l my stuff and don't want to wait, more power to them, but than me forking over yet another website few. Dave ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders---[DRP]Avatar-XSillyZone Homepage: www.thesillyzone.comSillyZone Forums: forum.thesillyzone.comMy Homepage: www.cyberwyre.com___To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcodersGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b
The point is, you aint paying for the patches or the mods, you are paying for the upkeep of the servers they are hosted on and the bandwidth the servers use, and in doing so yo get a 'thank you' with a personal server. For $6.95 USD (£5 UKP) per month or $59.99 USD (£43 UKP) a year that's not really a bad deal, granted it's probably better for us CM users than dialup however. It's time to face the fact that the time of the 'free internet' is all but gone, because of the costs and the lack of advert money now around, if you want fast service, ya gonna have to pay for things. Incerdently, I belive all the files (part from maybe 2 unpopular ones) I've download have had 3 main servers and a couple of mirrors for them, thus I've never seen that problem. - Original Message - From: omega [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b the problem is, most of the time there are only the personal servers and *ONE* mirror for most of the files. im not paying $30 or so to download free things. add that ti $30 for ISP, $60 on average per game, plus hardware. somewhere, somebodies getting seriously ripped off. paying the cash for a game to me is fine, but as if im going to pay to download *FREE* patches, and *FREE* mods.its just completely wrong. -omega Blackened Interactive http://www.nofadz.com/blackened IRC: irc.gamesnet.net channel: #blackened-interactive Assistant Coder, Underhive (http://www.underhive.com) - Original Message - From: _Phantom_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b I download at all kinds of times, mostly when the US are up as well, I've never had to wait longer than 40mins for a file off one of the main servers (last one was RtCW multiplayer demo) I dont have the money to pay atm so I dont and use the free system As for charging, tech the are charging u so they can maintain the system, revnues (sp?) from adverts and the like which companys like this used to use to maintain the opertations have all but vanished, if they dont charge they will have to close down (hosting + bandwidth charges for something like fileplanet are gonna be huge!!! so after everyone pays their $x, I forget how much, but I know it's not much, I doubt they are turning a huge profit as they dont charge per download, just per month/year) If you dont like them hosting your files, email them and tell 'em to stop, as you are the copyright holder of the work then they have no choice (as I understand it), however, imho that's just petty.. if I produce something I want it to reach as wider audiance as I can, if some ppl chose to spend some to download files quicker, all power to 'em I say. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b
oh they dropped the price down? amazing.
last time i looked it was $30 a month US or something outrageous like that
:P
but still, gamespy is just greedy. they started out small, now they're huge
and have swallowed a number of companies. you cant tell me that they cant
afford the servers without charging money to download the free hosted things
:P
plus, its not worth it. every mirror sucks. i had access to a personal
server at one point and it was no better. i *have* gotten over 300k/sec on a
public mirror in the middle of the night. (and even during the day, when
holy wars came out i grabbed it around 360). but still. i agree with
whatever whoever said, if they ARE making money off the free stuff. theres
no way you can deny that, even if its $6.95 a month. the services they offer
(which honestly from my standpoint arent that great) can be covered montly
by say, 50 people paying that. (i used to admin stuff that was faster;p)
look how many people there are on the planet ;p
-omega
Blackened Interactive
http://www.nofadz.com/blackened
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- Original Message -
From: _Phantom_ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b
The point is, you aint paying for the patches or the mods, you are paying
for the upkeep of the servers they are hosted on and the bandwidth the
servers use, and in doing so yo get a 'thank you' with a personal server.
For $6.95 USD (£5 UKP) per month or $59.99 USD (£43 UKP) a year that's not
really a bad deal, granted it's probably better for us CM users than
dialup
however.
It's time to face the fact that the time of the 'free internet' is all but
gone, because of the costs and the lack of advert money now around, if you
want fast service, ya gonna have to pay for things.
Incerdently, I belive all the files (part from maybe 2 unpopular ones)
I've
download have had 3 main servers and a couple of mirrors for them, thus
I've
never seen that problem.
- Original Message -
From: omega [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b
the problem is, most of the time there are only the personal servers and
*ONE* mirror for most of the files.
im not paying $30 or so to download free things.
add that ti $30 for ISP, $60 on average per game, plus hardware.
somewhere,
somebodies getting seriously ripped off.
paying the cash for a game to me is fine, but as if im going to pay to
download *FREE* patches, and *FREE* mods.its just completely wrong.
-omega
Blackened Interactive
http://www.nofadz.com/blackened
IRC: irc.gamesnet.net channel: #blackened-interactive
Assistant Coder, Underhive (http://www.underhive.com)
- Original Message -
From: _Phantom_ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b
I download at all kinds of times, mostly when the US are up as well,
I've
never had to wait longer than 40mins for a file off one of the main
servers
(last one was RtCW multiplayer demo)
I dont have the money to pay atm so I dont and use the free system
As for charging, tech the are charging u so they can maintain the
system,
revnues (sp?) from adverts and the like which companys like this used
to
use
to maintain the opertations have all but vanished, if they dont charge
they
will have to close down (hosting + bandwidth charges for something
like
fileplanet are gonna be huge!!! so after everyone pays their $x, I
forget
how much, but I know it's not much, I doubt they are turning a huge
profit
as they dont charge per download, just per month/year)
If you dont like them hosting your files, email them and tell 'em to
stop,
as you are the copyright holder of the work then they have no choice
(as
I
understand it), however, imho that's just petty.. if I produce
something
I
want it to reach as wider audiance as I can, if some ppl chose to
spend
some
to download files quicker, all power to 'em I say.
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Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b [THREAD CLOSED]
[THREAD CLOSED] By the powers vested in me by my keyboard and nothing else, I hereby declare this thread closed. It's slashdot fodder. Andrew Foss wrote: You've still got to click it for them to get money, as it's VERY unlikey they have a display and pay system giving them cash. Actually, they do get pay per seen. it's called the impression system. if a user downloads the image the site gets about 0.0001 cents. multiply this by about 3,000,000 (the amount of people on one given page at a time) and multiply again by $bignum, for the amount of pages you have to see to get a file, and the results add up fast. if you're really anal about banners, get admuncher, it can kill off annoying javascript, and filter off certain images and pop unders... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b [THREAD CLOSED]
No close! This is the first good discussion we've had here in a while! :-) Tim Holt wrote: [THREAD CLOSED] By the powers vested in me by my keyboard and nothing else, I hereby declare this thread closed. It's slashdot fodder. Andrew Foss wrote: You've still got to click it for them to get money, as it's VERY unlikey they have a display and pay system giving them cash. Actually, they do get pay per seen. it's called the impression system. if a user downloads the image the site gets about 0.0001 cents. multiply this by about 3,000,000 (the amount of people on one given page at a time) and multiply again by $bignum, for the amount of pages you have to see to get a file, and the results add up fast. if you're really anal about banners, get admuncher, it can kill off annoying javascript, and filter off certain images and pop unders... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders -- - [DRP]Avatar-X SillyZone Homepage: www.thesillyzone.com SillyZone Forums: forum.thesillyzone.com My Homepage: www.cyberwyre.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b [THREAD CLOSED]
I agree - Original Message - From: [DRP]Avatar-X Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 5:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b [THREAD CLOSED] No close! This is the first good discussion we've had here in a while! :-)Tim Holt wrote: [THREAD CLOSED] By the powers vested in me by my keyboard and nothing else, I hereby declare this thread closed. It's slashdot fodder. Andrew Foss wrote: You've still got to click it for them to get money, as it's VERY unlikey they have a display and pay system giving them cash. Actually, they do get pay per seen. it's called the impression system. if a user downloads the image the site gets about 0.0001 cents. multiply this by about 3,000,000 (the amount of people on one given page at a time) and multiply again by $bignum, for the amount of pages you have to see to get a file, and the results add up fast. if you're really anal about banners, get admuncher, it can kill off annoying javascript, and filter off certain images and pop unders... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders---[DRP]Avatar-XSillyZone Homepage: www.thesillyzone.comSillyZone Forums: forum.thesillyzone.comMy Homepage: www.cyberwyre.com___To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcodersGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b
Gosh, I thought I'd gotten into SlashDot here for a sec... :^) Pat Magnan wrote: If you're Adobe, feel free to invoke the DMCA and call in the FBI, if you're anyone else, no, because copyright infringement is civil law isn't it?? ;) (little sarcasm there). I don't know honestly think that the police are concerned with copyright infringement, however, it would appear from other bidders that this little schmuck is actually comitting mail fraud (not making good on things he's supposedly selling -- My parents wouldn't let me buy/sell it). I'm not sure what position that the US courts have taken on this kind of stuff (i.e. is it really mail fraud - I'm pretty sure), and the other thing with fraud that I can vouch for from personal experience is that no one really goes into small cases (got ripped buying a Magic card a number of years ago in a newsgroup auction), no one cared. Better to report the little puke to EBay (selling someone else's software illegally has to be against their rules), and let them handle it. It also seems he's under age (no contract in Candian law is enforceable against a minor, and I believe that the US would have a similar consideration), so EBay may be interested to learn that. We could always make a number of complaints to them, and let them handle it. ;) I wonder if it'd be possible to report this kind of stuff to the po- lice. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b
Okay, just to be really clear, it's a COPYright, not a SELLright. The control is at the COPYING stage of the process, not why you're doing it or what you're doing with it. A COPYRIGHT actually does refer "the right to copy". It doesn't mater if you're giving it away, bundling it, selling it, whatever, it's illegal to COPY any material where you don't own the copyright, unless you have explicit permission to copy that material. Your half-life EULA and SDK EULA grants you certainrights that let you make certain types of copies (such as are needed to run the software on a single computer) but nothing past that (read your EULA, it goes into more detail). As to Tom's questions, yes, it IS illegal for folks to "sell stuff on cd such as game demos and patches" regardless of their motives unless they've received permission from the copyright holders. It doesn't mater what sort of tricky convoluted rationalization they use, they've made a copy of something they do not have permission to copy. This is the wholepoint of a copyright:controlling who is allowed to copy your material. That said, it's usually pretty easy to get permission for stuff like the SDK, patches, etc., just send email to Scott Lynch at Valve and ask. Demos are a little harder since they're often part of other deals (magazine covers, new hardware, etc.) but if you have something interestingyou're trying to do with it then you'll probably get permission, though you still have to ask. And yes, we have actually have agreements with the fileservers we know about to allow them to redistribute our material. -Original Message-From: Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 10:19 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b its not illegal to sell stuff on cd such as game demos and patches is it? They are paying for your time to get hold of the demo/patch and then put it on cd, not the actual demo/patch.
Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b
ok, so you cant re-distribute software froma server without permission. Does that means you have to specifically ask to be a mirror? (just curious) - Bud-froggy
Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b
About the fileplanet thing. Well let me see, I hoave my own webpage, that I pay for myself. With about 500mb storage. Cost a little bit. Then I also have the OZ website supported by fileplanet. I have not received anything about a storage limit( but I only put OZ stuff there), and I get all kinda of support from FP, and PHL. All free. If they wanna change the people who what to d/l my stuff and don't want to wait, more power to them, but than me forking over yet another website few. Dave ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
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hahaha thats not all after checking out his other auctions this is what i got and also note that i will put a comment beside each. dangte (2) Dec-21-01 19:29:21 PST 1310656341 S Complaint : Tried to sell pirated software...Did not complete the transaction... MY NOTE - hmmm well he didn't even respond to this regista4eva (19) Dec-21-01 16:52:49 PST 1298022634 S Complaint : Is a child and shouldnt be on ebay.Charged 5 dollars for ship. when it costed 1! Response by gr_lam - Got angry when they found out i was 16. Should have looked at shipping cost b4 MY NOTE - well considering you have to be at least 18 to use ebay he made his first mistake admitting he was 16 baby1228 (67) Dec-19-01 17:17:54 PST 1310720779 B Complaint : "BUY IT NOW' TURN AROUND SAID HIS PARENTS NOT ALLOW HIM TO BUY REFUSE TO PAY Response by gr_lam - ParentsLetMeBuyItNow, So I did but later on my parents said no. WHYisITmyFAULT? MY NOTE - its your fault mate cause you for one saying you will buy it then later decline with a lame reason. This is not on also lets not stop there. here are other things he is selling 1314286826 Dec-25-01 Jan-01-02 20:52:27 $3.50 Counterstrike w/ Cheats Hacks and More! OGC No Bids Yet 1314286976 Dec-25-01 Jan-01-02 20:53:43 $3.50 Counter-Strike plus Cheats Hacks Maps More No Bids Yet 1314287113 Dec-25-01 Dec-28-01 20:54:40 $3.50 CS counter-strike counterstrike PLUS CHEATS! No Bids Yet 1314287309 Dec-25-01 Dec-28-01 20:56:09 $3.50 Counter-strike updates + Cheats Hacks Maps ! No Bids Yet 1314296110 Dec-25-01 Jan-01-02 22:28:25 $3.50 Ti-86 Ti86 Graphing Calculator New w/ PC LINK No Bids Yet i myself am guessing the Ti-86 calculator is stolen from school :) but he is a serious lamer and all i was looking for was 40k minatures. :( just goes to show i suppose hehe lamers are everywhere. - Original Message - From: Nathan Taylor To: HLCoders Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b wow, he should die... - Original Message - From: Christopher Long Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 5:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1314287113 go check that out... i find it extremely lame. I remember a post a while back on phl on how someone was selling hacks on ebay so i thought i'd see if the trend is still there... well only one guy. What i find worse is he is selling on a cd update patches to something not owned by him. This is what he is listed as selling Counter-strike full version installation 1.1 Counter-strike updates to 1.3 (current) Half-life update to 1.1.0.7 Half-life update to 1.1.0.8(current) Maps you get(very popular): AWP_MAP, AWP_MAP2, SCOUT_MAP, HE_TENNIS Wally texture editor (edit textures in the game) Half-life logo creater (spray paint a picture on the walls in Counterstrike, w/ any picture you have on your computer) OGC CHEAT(current version) OGC PUNKBUSTER HACK(bypasses punkbuster servers even if you have OGC CHEAT!) Now is it just me or is selling valve owned programs and update patches not only wrong but illegal? i'd really like to see this dork punished. So feel free to spam him with emails detailing how big a dork he is.. and for doing the biggest injustice of it all trying to extend the already huge cheating problem in online games. Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com stars-6.gif Description: GIF image
RE: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b
Yes, selling* copyrighted material w/o permission is illegal.Sierra goes through and has ebay remove these items when they find them, but it looks like they missed a few. Thanks. -Original Message-From: Christopher Long [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 2:26 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1314287113 Now is it just me or is selling valve owned programs and update patches not only wrong but illegal? i'd really like to see this dork punished. So feel free to spam him with emails detailing how big a dork he is.. and for doing the biggest injustice of it all trying to extend the already huge cheating problem in online games.
Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b
EBay isn't a publically funded website. I think what you were trying to say was, don't sell it on a public website. - Original Message - From: Nathan Taylor To: HLCoders Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b Yikes, he's gunna get eaten... Lesson number one in piracy: don't do it;lesson number 2: if you must do it don't do it on a publicly funded website... - Original Message - From: Christopher Long Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 7:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b no problem mr birdwell. This guy has more then one for sale though. He has like 6 auctions if you check his current sellings items so you might wanna nab him on all of them. He's sold piratedf versions of wolfenstein as well but i suppose thats for others to look into :). Just doing what i can to decrease the lamer population. - Original Message - From: Ken Birdwell To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 8:33 AM Subject: RE: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b Yes, selling* copyrighted material w/o permission is illegal.Sierra goes through and has ebay remove these items when they find them, but it looks like they missed a few. Thanks. -Original Message-From: Christopher Long [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 2:26 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1314287113 Now is it just me or is selling valve owned programs and update patches not only wrong but illegal? i'd really like to see this dork punished. So feel free to spam him with emails detailing how big a dork he is.. and for doing the biggest injustice of it all trying to extend the already huge cheating problem in online games. Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b
yea, exactly :) - Original Message - From: Miguel Aleman Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 8:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b EBay isn't a publically funded website. I think what you were trying to say was, don't sell it on a public website. - Original Message - From: Nathan Taylor To: HLCoders Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b Yikes, he's gunna get eaten... Lesson number one in piracy: don't do it;lesson number 2: if you must do it don't do it on a publicly funded website... - Original Message - From: Christopher Long Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 7:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b no problem mr birdwell. This guy has more then one for sale though. He has like 6 auctions if you check his current sellings items so you might wanna nab him on all of them. He's sold piratedf versions of wolfenstein as well but i suppose thats for others to look into :). Just doing what i can to decrease the lamer population. - Original Message - From: Ken Birdwell To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 8:33 AM Subject: RE: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b Yes, selling* copyrighted material w/o permission is illegal.Sierra goes through and has ebay remove these items when they find them, but it looks like they missed a few. Thanks. -Original Message-From: Christopher Long [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 2:26 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1314287113 Now is it just me or is selling valve owned programs and update patches not only wrong but illegal? i'd really like to see this dork punished. So feel free to spam him with emails detailing how big a dork he is.. and for doing the biggest injustice of it all trying to extend the already huge cheating problem in online games. Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
RE: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b
http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/png-software.html http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/png-copyrighteditems.html ebay is very good about this sort of thing.
RE: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b
I wonder if it'd be possible to report this kind of stuff to the po-lice. From: Ken Birdwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 17:39:54 -0800 http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/png-software.html http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/png-software.html http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/png-copyrighteditems.html http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/png-copyrighteditems.html ebay is very good about this sort of thing. _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b
If you're Adobe, feel free to invoke the DMCA and call in the FBI, if you're anyone else, no, because copyright infringement is civil law isn't it?? ;) (little sarcasm there). I don't know honestly think that the police are concerned with copyright infringement, however, it would appear from other bidders that this little schmuck is actually comitting mail fraud (not making good on things he's supposedly selling -- My parents wouldn't let me buy/sell it). I'm not sure what position that the US courts have taken on this kind of stuff (i.e. is it really mail fraud - I'm pretty sure), and the other thing with fraud that I can vouch for from personal experience is that no one really goes into small cases (got ripped buying a Magic card a number of years ago in a newsgroup auction), no one cared. Better to report the little puke to EBay (selling someone else's software illegally has to be against their rules), and let them handle it. It also seems he's under age (no contract in Candian law is enforceable against a minor, and I believe that the US would have a similar consideration), so EBay may be interested to learn that. We could always make a number of complaints to them, and let them handle it. ;) I wonder if it'd be possible to report this kind of stuff to the po- lice. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
