[hlds] Autoupdate on windows servers
Hi everyone, I'm running a few tf2 and left4dead server on a windows 2003 server box. I know that autoupdate doesn't currently work on the windows side as was wondering 1) is valve ever going to fix this and 2) have any other windows admins come up with a decent work around for this problem other than running hldsupdatetool from the command line? -EvilMacGuyver ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] DoD:S Induvidual Class restrictions for each Map or a particular one
Hi! Does anyone know a sourcemod plugin or can give me a link to a tutorial for creating class restrictions on DoD:S? Doe example if avalanche is loaded, MG class is set to zero, on Donner it's set to 1. Would glad to get some hints. Greetings Hyphon (Yeah, I know I'm a noob...) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Steam / VAC Connection Unstable
Use Pre-Shared Key, it's just another name for WPA. There's also WPA2 and you can often choose between using some AES or TKIP but it does not matter which one you choose, they are all secure as long as your passphrase is not in a dictionary or very short. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 5:26 AM, Jake E jackac...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, i have checked settings and stuff. @c2 What is the most secure wireless security? Currently is 128 bit WEP 26 hex digits. I also have Pre-Shared Key, PSK RADIUS, RADUIS. On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Yaakov Smith m4ngr...@gmail.com wrote: Have you checked your firewall and router settings? -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jake E Sent: Sunday, 31 May 2009 12:59 PM To: HLDS Subject: [hlds] Steam / VAC Connection Unstable Hi~ This is very recent At the moment, NO COMPUTER on my network, dedicated server or client, can maintain a stable connection to steam. It will connect for about 10 seconds, then disconnect for about 20. It is not stopping. This is rather annoying for when I play games, but for my dedicated server noone can get on because it's not listed on the master server. This is also odd - not too long ago, my wireless got hacked and someone started downloading illegal stuff and got my internet shut off for a week. I just got new neighbors - sigh - . So this is only with steam, no other issues. I tried port forwarding but it does not seem to help... assuming IpV4 is local, i think. Any help would be great... For my Client I'll try deleting clientregistry.blob. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4117 (20090530) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4117 (20090530) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Steam / VAC Connection Unstable
OK Thanks guys ill switch to WPA. LMAO My Server isn't on wireless. It's wireless with a 4 port switch: 1== Gaming comp 2== Server 1 3== Server 2 4== Empty My friends and family use the wireless part. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 7:06 AM, Donnie Newlove donnie.newl...@gmail.comwrote: Use Pre-Shared Key, it's just another name for WPA. There's also WPA2 and you can often choose between using some AES or TKIP but it does not matter which one you choose, they are all secure as long as your passphrase is not in a dictionary or very short. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 5:26 AM, Jake E jackac...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, i have checked settings and stuff. @c2 What is the most secure wireless security? Currently is 128 bit WEP 26 hex digits. I also have Pre-Shared Key, PSK RADIUS, RADUIS. On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Yaakov Smith m4ngr...@gmail.com wrote: Have you checked your firewall and router settings? -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jake E Sent: Sunday, 31 May 2009 12:59 PM To: HLDS Subject: [hlds] Steam / VAC Connection Unstable Hi~ This is very recent At the moment, NO COMPUTER on my network, dedicated server or client, can maintain a stable connection to steam. It will connect for about 10 seconds, then disconnect for about 20. It is not stopping. This is rather annoying for when I play games, but for my dedicated server noone can get on because it's not listed on the master server. This is also odd - not too long ago, my wireless got hacked and someone started downloading illegal stuff and got my internet shut off for a week. I just got new neighbors - sigh - . So this is only with steam, no other issues. I tried port forwarding but it does not seem to help... assuming IpV4 is local, i think. Any help would be great... For my Client I'll try deleting clientregistry.blob. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4117 (20090530) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4117 (20090530) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Steam / VAC Connection Unstable
Run an mtr trace (winmtr.sourceforge.net) to some outside IP's. Sounds like your connection is flapping. On the winMTR trace you should detect a lot of packetloss if this is the case. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jake E Sent: zondag 31 mei 2009 15:28 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Steam / VAC Connection Unstable OK Thanks guys ill switch to WPA. LMAO My Server isn't on wireless. It's wireless with a 4 port switch: 1== Gaming comp 2== Server 1 3== Server 2 4== Empty My friends and family use the wireless part. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 7:06 AM, Donnie Newlove donnie.newl...@gmail.comwrote: Use Pre-Shared Key, it's just another name for WPA. There's also WPA2 and you can often choose between using some AES or TKIP but it does not matter which one you choose, they are all secure as long as your passphrase is not in a dictionary or very short. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 5:26 AM, Jake E jackac...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, i have checked settings and stuff. @c2 What is the most secure wireless security? Currently is 128 bit WEP 26 hex digits. I also have Pre-Shared Key, PSK RADIUS, RADUIS. On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Yaakov Smith m4ngr...@gmail.com wrote: Have you checked your firewall and router settings? -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jake E Sent: Sunday, 31 May 2009 12:59 PM To: HLDS Subject: [hlds] Steam / VAC Connection Unstable Hi~ This is very recent At the moment, NO COMPUTER on my network, dedicated server or client, can maintain a stable connection to steam. It will connect for about 10 seconds, then disconnect for about 20. It is not stopping. This is rather annoying for when I play games, but for my dedicated server noone can get on because it's not listed on the master server. This is also odd - not too long ago, my wireless got hacked and someone started downloading illegal stuff and got my internet shut off for a week. I just got new neighbors - sigh - . So this is only with steam, no other issues. I tried port forwarding but it does not seem to help... assuming IpV4 is local, i think. Any help would be great... For my Client I'll try deleting clientregistry.blob. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4117 (20090530) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4117 (20090530) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.46/2145 - Release Date: 05/31/09 05:53:00 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Autoupdate on windows servers
Hi EvilMacGuyver, I am using Windows Powershellhttp://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/management/powershell/default.mspxtogether with the Windows Task Scheduler to automate it. The task is started every morning at 7 o'clock and does the following: *Stop all L4D server instances* [Powershell: stop-service l4d*] *Delete all content in the sprays-upload-and-download directory* (Working directory: *:\...\l4d\left4dead\downloads\) [Powershell: remove-item *] *Check for HLDS Update* [Command: HldsUpdateTool.exe -command update -game left4dead -dir *:\...\Left4Dead -verify_all] *Start all L4D server instances* [Powershell: start-service l4d*] More Powershellhttp://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/hubs/msh.mspx. Kind regards TheNob ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] DoD:S Induvidual Class restrictions for each Map or a particular one
also, check with www.beetlesmod.com. I believe you can have a mapname.cfg and place the restrictions there, like can be done for TF2. On 5/31/09, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: You should go here http://www.dodsourceplugins.net/ and a plugin with this and a bunch of other stuff is here http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=672239 On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 2:40 AM, Hyphon hyp...@arcor.de wrote: Hi! Does anyone know a sourcemod plugin or can give me a link to a tutorial for creating class restrictions on DoD:S? Doe example if avalanche is loaded, MG class is set to zero, on Donner it's set to 1. Would glad to get some hints. Greetings Hyphon (Yeah, I know I'm a noob...) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] DoD:S Induvidual Class restrictions for each Map or a particular one
i think you can do it w/o any special addon. try making a cfg file in cfg/mapname.cfg and put your limits in there * dod has built-in class limiting cvars. :) On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 9:32 AM, k e mfnt...@gmail.com wrote: also, check with www.beetlesmod.com. I believe you can have a mapname.cfg and place the restrictions there, like can be done for TF2. On 5/31/09, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: You should go here http://www.dodsourceplugins.net/ and a plugin with this and a bunch of other stuff is here http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=672239 On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 2:40 AM, Hyphon hyp...@arcor.de wrote: Hi! Does anyone know a sourcemod plugin or can give me a link to a tutorial for creating class restrictions on DoD:S? Doe example if avalanche is loaded, MG class is set to zero, on Donner it's set to 1. Would glad to get some hints. Greetings Hyphon (Yeah, I know I'm a noob...) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] DoD:S Induvidual Class restrictions for each Map or a particular one
tf2 has also, but require tournament mode 2009/5/31 FPSB | Goerge brutalgoerge...@gmail.com i think you can do it w/o any special addon. try making a cfg file in cfg/mapname.cfg and put your limits in there * dod has built-in class limiting cvars. :) On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 9:32 AM, k e mfnt...@gmail.com wrote: also, check with www.beetlesmod.com. I believe you can have a mapname.cfg and place the restrictions there, like can be done for TF2. On 5/31/09, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: You should go here http://www.dodsourceplugins.net/ and a plugin with this and a bunch of other stuff is here http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=672239 On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 2:40 AM, Hyphon hyp...@arcor.de wrote: Hi! Does anyone know a sourcemod plugin or can give me a link to a tutorial for creating class restrictions on DoD:S? Doe example if avalanche is loaded, MG class is set to zero, on Donner it's set to 1. Would glad to get some hints. Greetings Hyphon (Yeah, I know I'm a noob...) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] DoD:S Induvidual Class restrictions for each Map or a particular one
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Re: [hlds] DoD:S Induvidual Class restrictions for each Map or a particular one
Sorry, EMail-Client is a little bit bitchy since 2 two days... My message: Thanx to all for helping me. But I have fot one more question to this. Is server.cfg still loaded in background and the mapname.cfg overwrites all cvars, I define? Like autoexec.cfg to server.cfg? HyP ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] DoD:S Induvidual Class restrictions for each Map or a particular one
i assume it goes like this.. autoexec is run when the server starts server.cfg every map change map.cfg after server cfg every map change so put your global defaults in server cfg, and if you need to have anything special on a map, put it in map cfg. when map comes up, it loads the special settings, and when it changes again, it loads the defaults again from server.cfg On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Hyphon hyp...@arcor.de wrote: Sorry, EMail-Client is a little bit bitchy since 2 two days... My message: Thanx to all for helping me. But I have fot one more question to this. Is server.cfg still loaded in background and the mapname.cfg overwrites all cvars, I define? Like autoexec.cfg to server.cfg? HyP ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] DoD:S Induvidual Class restrictions for each Map or aparticular one
dont dend enymore enytingh pls !!! - Original Message - From: FPSB | Goerge brutalgoerge...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] DoD:S Induvidual Class restrictions for each Map or aparticular one i assume it goes like this.. autoexec is run when the server starts server.cfg every map change map.cfg after server cfg every map change so put your global defaults in server cfg, and if you need to have anything special on a map, put it in map cfg. when map comes up, it loads the special settings, and when it changes again, it loads the defaults again from server.cfg On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Hyphon hyp...@arcor.de wrote: Sorry, EMail-Client is a little bit bitchy since 2 two days... My message: Thanx to all for helping me. But I have fot one more question to this. Is server.cfg still loaded in background and the mapname.cfg overwrites all cvars, I define? Like autoexec.cfg to server.cfg? HyP ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] DoD:S Induvidual Class restrictions for each Map or a particular one
Lol. On 5/31/09, jami jarmo.meriku...@kolumbus.fi wrote: dont dend enymore enytingh pls !!! - Original Message - From: FPSB | Goerge brutalgoerge...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] DoD:S Induvidual Class restrictions for each Map or aparticular one i assume it goes like this.. autoexec is run when the server starts server.cfg every map change map.cfg after server cfg every map change so put your global defaults in server cfg, and if you need to have anything special on a map, put it in map cfg. when map comes up, it loads the special settings, and when it changes again, it loads the defaults again from server.cfg On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Hyphon hyp...@arcor.de wrote: Sorry, EMail-Client is a little bit bitchy since 2 two days... My message: Thanx to all for helping me. But I have fot one more question to this. Is server.cfg still loaded in background and the mapname.cfg overwrites all cvars, I define? Like autoexec.cfg to server.cfg? HyP ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- -- Cc2iscooL Head Admin/Owner http://www.cc2iscool.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] DoD:S Induvidual Class restrictions for each Map or aparticular one
Argh! shit! ZOMBIE! jami wrote: dont dend enymore enytingh pls !!! - Original Message - From: FPSB | Goerge brutalgoerge...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] DoD:S Induvidual Class restrictions for each Map or aparticular one i assume it goes like this.. autoexec is run when the server starts server.cfg every map change map.cfg after server cfg every map change so put your global defaults in server cfg, and if you need to have anything special on a map, put it in map cfg. when map comes up, it loads the special settings, and when it changes again, it loads the defaults again from server.cfg On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Hyphon hyp...@arcor.de wrote: Sorry, EMail-Client is a little bit bitchy since 2 two days... My message: Thanx to all for helping me. But I have fot one more question to this. Is server.cfg still loaded in background and the mapname.cfg overwrites all cvars, I define? Like autoexec.cfg to server.cfg? HyP ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Autoupdate on windows servers
Ive made a batch script that connect to this mail list via telnet and scans for emails with the subject [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available. When it detects that email in the pop box the script stops all the TF2 services and updates them then restarts them when they are finished updating. Its pretty basic batch scripting that any novice should be able to figure out. TheNob HLDS wrote: Hi EvilMacGuyver, I am using Windows Powershellhttp://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/management/powershell/default.mspxtogether with the Windows Task Scheduler to automate it. The task is started every morning at 7 o'clock and does the following: *Stop all L4D server instances* [Powershell: stop-service l4d*] *Delete all content in the sprays-upload-and-download directory* (Working directory: *:\...\l4d\left4dead\downloads\) [Powershell: remove-item *] *Check for HLDS Update* [Command: HldsUpdateTool.exe -command update -game left4dead -dir *:\...\Left4Dead -verify_all] *Start all L4D server instances* [Powershell: start-service l4d*] More Powershellhttp://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/hubs/msh.mspx. Kind regards TheNob ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?
Hello, I have been hearing a rumour that some people are getting vac banned for using an Idle program at source op. Any one hear of this or know for sure this program will get you Vac'd? Thanks ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?
That is one reason why i never touched that program, i didnt want to take any chances.. regards, Neil Voutt - Administrator http://www.neilvoutt.com http://www.ipoststupidshit.com On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, I have been hearing a rumour that some people are getting vac banned for using an Idle program at source op. Any one hear of this or know for sure this program will get you Vac'd? Thanks ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?
you are not cheating, no ban 2009/5/31 Neil Voutt mr.neosty...@gmail.com That is one reason why i never touched that program, i didnt want to take any chances.. regards, Neil Voutt - Administrator http://www.neilvoutt.com http://www.ipoststupidshit.com On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I have been hearing a rumour that some people are getting vac banned for using an Idle program at source op. Any one hear of this or know for sure this program will get you Vac'd? Thanks ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Autoupdate on windows servers
When I was on windows I wrote a python script that scanned the RSS for the Valve news feed and then did the same as you. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Chris ch...@pingdemons.com wrote: Ive made a batch script that connect to this mail list via telnet and scans for emails with the subject [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available. When it detects that email in the pop box the script stops all the TF2 services and updates them then restarts them when they are finished updating. Its pretty basic batch scripting that any novice should be able to figure out. TheNob HLDS wrote: Hi EvilMacGuyver, I am using Windows Powershellhttp://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/management/powershell/default.mspxtogether with the Windows Task Scheduler to automate it. The task is started every morning at 7 o'clock and does the following: *Stop all L4D server instances* [Powershell: stop-service l4d*] *Delete all content in the sprays-upload-and-download directory* (Working directory: *:\...\l4d\left4dead\downloads\) [Powershell: remove-item *] *Check for HLDS Update* [Command: HldsUpdateTool.exe -command update -game left4dead -dir *:\...\Left4Dead -verify_all] *Start all L4D server instances* [Powershell: start-service l4d*] More Powershellhttp://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/hubs/msh.mspx. Kind regards TheNob ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?
If you want to track this rumor, its from one person stating they couldn't connect to the vac servers a few nights ago (which happened to us all), and then one person here: http://www.gotfrag.com/tf2/forums/thread/400307/?cpage=1#comment_9221007-claiming to have been vac banned for it. If only *one* person out of the 6000 people who downloaded the program got banned... (lol) also, three days would be the fastest turn around on a VAC ban I've ever seen. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Nightbox alexandrualexa...@gmail.comwrote: you are not cheating, no ban 2009/5/31 Neil Voutt mr.neosty...@gmail.com That is one reason why i never touched that program, i didnt want to take any chances.. regards, Neil Voutt - Administrator http://www.neilvoutt.com http://www.ipoststupidshit.com On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I have been hearing a rumour that some people are getting vac banned for using an Idle program at source op. Any one hear of this or know for sure this program will get you Vac'd? Thanks ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?
Technically you are cheating. The program is using the Steam API to say you're in game when you're not. Sounds like cheating to me :) On 5/31/09, Nightbox alexandrualexa...@gmail.com wrote: you are not cheating, no ban 2009/5/31 Neil Voutt mr.neosty...@gmail.com That is one reason why i never touched that program, i didnt want to take any chances.. regards, Neil Voutt - Administrator http://www.neilvoutt.com http://www.ipoststupidshit.com On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I have been hearing a rumour that some people are getting vac banned for using an Idle program at source op. Any one hear of this or know for sure this program will get you Vac'd? Thanks ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- -- Cc2iscooL Head Admin/Owner http://www.cc2iscool.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?
I would have thought it unlikely that you will get vac banned. However, if valve decide to strip items for using this program, it is no different to just running a server and sitting idle in it. Would they strip items for anyone playing on an achievement-idle server? or would they strip items for anyone running a local server and sitting idle in that all day? Also, there is *rather a lot* of people using it, and valve have to wonder if there is a reason behind that number of players using it.. Regards, Phil 2009/5/31 Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com Technically you are cheating. The program is using the Steam API to say you're in game when you're not. Sounds like cheating to me :) On 5/31/09, Nightbox alexandrualexa...@gmail.com wrote: you are not cheating, no ban 2009/5/31 Neil Voutt mr.neosty...@gmail.com That is one reason why i never touched that program, i didnt want to take any chances.. regards, Neil Voutt - Administrator http://www.neilvoutt.com http://www.ipoststupidshit.com On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I have been hearing a rumour that some people are getting vac banned for using an Idle program at source op. Any one hear of this or know for sure this program will get you Vac'd? Thanks ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- -- Cc2iscooL Head Admin/Owner http://www.cc2iscool.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?
Valve: feel free to block the program, but please PLEASE after the weapon drop probabilities are geared towards playing well.. similar to the crit calculation!! @ cc2iscool: is this program any different to sitting idle in a server? then sitting in an idle server is cheating... if so, how are you going to strip their achieves? You can't strip one without stripping the other ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?
there is a difference. one you are actually running tf2. another your just running a outside application to emulate running the game. really this thread should just be stopped since its just going to turn into a flame war and the end results will be the people that use it wont think its cheating while people that don't think it is. Philip Bembridge wrote: Valve: feel free to block the program, but please PLEASE after the weapon drop probabilities are geared towards playing well.. similar to the crit calculation!! @ cc2iscool: is this program any different to sitting idle in a server? then sitting in an idle server is cheating... if so, how are you going to strip their achieves? You can't strip one without stripping the other ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?
It mimic's idling in a server without actually launching tf2. in a command line type interface. it connects to a master (fake) server which has 10,000 slots. this server can only be connected by the idling client program. regards, Neil Voutt - Administrator http://www.neilvoutt.com http://www.ipoststupidshit.com On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Philip Bembridge philipbembri...@gmail.com wrote: Valve: feel free to block the program, but please PLEASE after the weapon drop probabilities are geared towards playing well.. similar to the crit calculation!! @ cc2iscool: is this program any different to sitting idle in a server? then sitting in an idle server is cheating... if so, how are you going to strip their achieves? You can't strip one without stripping the other ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?
I am neutral to the matter, I am merely curious to see where valve's stance will be on this program if they take a stance at all. regards, Neil Voutt - Administrator http://www.neilvoutt.com http://www.ipoststupidshit.com On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 5:38 PM, SakeFox sake...@kingdomsend.com wrote: there is a difference. one you are actually running tf2. another your just running a outside application to emulate running the game. really this thread should just be stopped since its just going to turn into a flame war and the end results will be the people that use it wont think its cheating while people that don't think it is. Philip Bembridge wrote: Valve: feel free to block the program, but please PLEASE after the weapon drop probabilities are geared towards playing well.. similar to the crit calculation!! @ cc2iscool: is this program any different to sitting idle in a server? then sitting in an idle server is cheating... if so, how are you going to strip their achieves? You can't strip one without stripping the other ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?
Seeing as it mimics idling in a server even though you're not idling in a server it could be considered a cheat. You're not actually running a game. You're using a program to emulate the game's function of connecting to a server. As far as I'm concerned that seems like cheating to me. It's like editing your punch times at work to say you were working when you really took the day off instead, and you're still getting paid. While you can't really get in trouble if you have nothing to do all day at work, you can get in trouble for editing your time sheet to say you were at work when you actually weren't. iGiggled -- Cc2iscooL Head Admin/Owner http://www.cc2iscool.com On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Philip Bembridge philipbembri...@gmail.com wrote: Valve: feel free to block the program, but please PLEASE after the weapon drop probabilities are geared towards playing well.. similar to the crit calculation!! @ cc2iscool: is this program any different to sitting idle in a server? then sitting in an idle server is cheating... if so, how are you going to strip their achieves? You can't strip one without stripping the other ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?
I agree Kenny Loggins ClanAO.com On May 31, 2009, at 4:38 PM, SakeFox sake...@kingdomsend.com wrote: there is a difference. one you are actually running tf2. another your just running a outside application to emulate running the game. really this thread should just be stopped since its just going to turn into a flame war and the end results will be the people that use it wont think its cheating while people that don't think it is. Philip Bembridge wrote: Valve: feel free to block the program, but please PLEASE after the weapon drop probabilities are geared towards playing well.. similar to the crit calculation!! @ cc2iscool: is this program any different to sitting idle in a server? then sitting in an idle server is cheating... if so, how are you going to strip their achieves? You can't strip one without stripping the other ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Autoupdate on windows servers
Valve could actually provided an rss feed of updates for any dedicated servers available on steam (steamworks mods too!). This would allow a bunch of neat things.. Rob C. Dustin Wyatt wrote: When I was on windows I wrote a python script that scanned the RSS for the Valve news feed and then did the same as you. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Chris ch...@pingdemons.com wrote: Ive made a batch script that connect to this mail list via telnet and scans for emails with the subject [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available. When it detects that email in the pop box the script stops all the TF2 services and updates them then restarts them when they are finished updating. Its pretty basic batch scripting that any novice should be able to figure out. TheNob HLDS wrote: Hi EvilMacGuyver, I am using Windows Powershellhttp://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/management/powershell/default.mspxtogether with the Windows Task Scheduler to automate it. The task is started every morning at 7 o'clock and does the following: *Stop all L4D server instances* [Powershell: stop-service l4d*] *Delete all content in the sprays-upload-and-download directory* (Working directory: *:\...\l4d\left4dead\downloads\) [Powershell: remove-item *] *Check for HLDS Update* [Command: HldsUpdateTool.exe -command update -game left4dead -dir *:\...\Left4Dead -verify_all] *Start all L4D server instances* [Powershell: start-service l4d*] More Powershellhttp://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/hubs/msh.mspx. Kind regards TheNob ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Autoupdate on windows servers
Either one of you want to share your scripts?? I am not good at this kind of thing but am curious about how it would be done... -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Dustin Wyatt Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:10 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Autoupdate on windows servers When I was on windows I wrote a python script that scanned the RSS for the Valve news feed and then did the same as you. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Chris ch...@pingdemons.com wrote: Ive made a batch script that connect to this mail list via telnet and scans for emails with the subject [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available. When it detects that email in the pop box the script stops all the TF2 services and updates them then restarts them when they are finished updating. Its pretty basic batch scripting that any novice should be able to figure out. TheNob HLDS wrote: Hi EvilMacGuyver, I am using Windows Powershellhttp://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/managemen t/powershell/default.mspxtogether with the Windows Task Scheduler to automate it. The task is started every morning at 7 o'clock and does the following: *Stop all L4D server instances* [Powershell: stop-service l4d*] *Delete all content in the sprays-upload-and-download directory* (Working directory: *:\...\l4d\left4dead\downloads\) [Powershell: remove-item *] *Check for HLDS Update* [Command: HldsUpdateTool.exe -command update -game left4dead -dir *:\...\Left4Dead -verify_all] *Start all L4D server instances* [Powershell: start-service l4d*] More Powershellhttp://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/hubs/msh.mspx. Kind regards TheNob ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Autoupdate on windows servers
Would any of you mind sharing the script files you've come up with as I'm sure there are more than a few people reading this topic who might be very interested in doing something like this. I myself hadn't thought of scanning the rss feed looking for the update message as a way to kick off the process. -EvilMacGuyver On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Dustin Wyatt dustin.wy...@gmail.comwrote: When I was on windows I wrote a python script that scanned the RSS for the Valve news feed and then did the same as you. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Autoupdate on windows servers
I have a Sidebar Gadget I wrote that automatically notifies me when TF2 updates are available. I could easily modify it to stop+update+start servers. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Dustin Wyatt Sent: Monday, 1 June 2009 7:10 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Autoupdate on windows servers When I was on windows I wrote a python script that scanned the RSS for the Valve news feed and then did the same as you. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Chris ch...@pingdemons.com wrote: Ive made a batch script that connect to this mail list via telnet and scans for emails with the subject [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available. When it detects that email in the pop box the script stops all the TF2 services and updates them then restarts them when they are finished updating. Its pretty basic batch scripting that any novice should be able to figure out. TheNob HLDS wrote: Hi EvilMacGuyver, I am using Windows Powershellhttp://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/managemen t/powershell/default.mspxtogether with the Windows Task Scheduler to automate it. The task is started every morning at 7 o'clock and does the following: *Stop all L4D server instances* [Powershell: stop-service l4d*] *Delete all content in the sprays-upload-and-download directory* (Working directory: *:\...\l4d\left4dead\downloads\) [Powershell: remove-item *] *Check for HLDS Update* [Command: HldsUpdateTool.exe -command update -game left4dead -dir *:\...\Left4Dead -verify_all] *Start all L4D server instances* [Powershell: start-service l4d*] More Powershellhttp://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/hubs/msh.mspx. Kind regards TheNob ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4117 (20090530) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4117 (20090530) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?
then maybe you should also ban all the people who use steam achievement manager... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?
Its an interesting debate, although Valve did not Vac Ban the weapon unlocker they just removed the weapons, so I am on the fence wether or not they would Vac on this one. my gut says they wouldnt and the kid in that post got picked off for another cheat, perhaps one they didnt know about. I.E. a friend that knows his log on and runs it from a different machine On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I agree Kenny Loggins ClanAO.com On May 31, 2009, at 4:38 PM, SakeFox sake...@kingdomsend.com wrote: there is a difference. one you are actually running tf2. another your just running a outside application to emulate running the game. really this thread should just be stopped since its just going to turn into a flame war and the end results will be the people that use it wont think its cheating while people that don't think it is. Philip Bembridge wrote: Valve: feel free to block the program, but please PLEASE after the weapon drop probabilities are geared towards playing well.. similar to the crit calculation!! @ cc2iscool: is this program any different to sitting idle in a server? then sitting in an idle server is cheating... if so, how are you going to strip their achieves? You can't strip one without stripping the other ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Problem being listed on the master...
Things that can cause a server to not list with the master. GO. (No firewall, on a routed /28, server is playable in all ways, VAC activated, only symptom is that it's not visible to the master, even though the config files all check out against all our other servers) Thanks in advance for the community's help in this. I'm at a loss, though it *IS* my birthday and I'm a little incapacitated. -K ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?
In the end the only difference between idling in your app or idling in TF2 is RAM, CPU and if not minimized, GPU used. It's no more cheating than running TF2 in DX8 mode to get better performance. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: Seeing as it mimics idling in a server even though you're not idling in a server it could be considered a cheat. You're not actually running a game. You're using a program to emulate the game's function of connecting to a server. As far as I'm concerned that seems like cheating to me. It's like editing your punch times at work to say you were working when you really took the day off instead, and you're still getting paid. While you can't really get in trouble if you have nothing to do all day at work, you can get in trouble for editing your time sheet to say you were at work when you actually weren't. iGiggled -- Cc2iscooL Head Admin/Owner http://www.cc2iscool.com On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Philip Bembridge philipbembri...@gmail.com wrote: Valve: feel free to block the program, but please PLEASE after the weapon drop probabilities are geared towards playing well.. similar to the crit calculation!! @ cc2iscool: is this program any different to sitting idle in a server? then sitting in an idle server is cheating... if so, how are you going to strip their achieves? You can't strip one without stripping the other ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?
Difference is you're not using the program that it was intended to be used in. Thus cheating. Why is it so hard to understand? -- Cc2iscooL Head Admin/Owner http://www.cc2iscool.com On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Donnie Newlove donnie.newl...@gmail.comwrote: In the end the only difference between idling in your app or idling in TF2 is RAM, CPU and if not minimized, GPU used. It's no more cheating than running TF2 in DX8 mode to get better performance. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: Seeing as it mimics idling in a server even though you're not idling in a server it could be considered a cheat. You're not actually running a game. You're using a program to emulate the game's function of connecting to a server. As far as I'm concerned that seems like cheating to me. It's like editing your punch times at work to say you were working when you really took the day off instead, and you're still getting paid. While you can't really get in trouble if you have nothing to do all day at work, you can get in trouble for editing your time sheet to say you were at work when you actually weren't. iGiggled -- Cc2iscooL Head Admin/Owner http://www.cc2iscool.com On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Philip Bembridge philipbembri...@gmail.com wrote: Valve: feel free to block the program, but please PLEASE after the weapon drop probabilities are geared towards playing well.. similar to the crit calculation!! @ cc2iscool: is this program any different to sitting idle in a server? then sitting in an idle server is cheating... if so, how are you going to strip their achieves? You can't strip one without stripping the other ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?
I really shouldn't be starting in on this since I really want this thread to die, but by your logic using a application to let me see through walls to improve my performance is no difference then using custom materials that let me see through wall for better performance. Donnie Newlove wrote: In the end the only difference between idling in your app or idling in TF2 is RAM, CPU and if not minimized, GPU used. It's no more cheating than running TF2 in DX8 mode to get better performance. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: Seeing as it mimics idling in a server even though you're not idling in a server it could be considered a cheat. You're not actually running a game. You're using a program to emulate the game's function of connecting to a server. As far as I'm concerned that seems like cheating to me. It's like editing your punch times at work to say you were working when you really took the day off instead, and you're still getting paid. While you can't really get in trouble if you have nothing to do all day at work, you can get in trouble for editing your time sheet to say you were at work when you actually weren't. iGiggled -- Cc2iscooL Head Admin/Owner http://www.cc2iscool.com On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Philip Bembridge philipbembri...@gmail.com wrote: Valve: feel free to block the program, but please PLEASE after the weapon drop probabilities are geared towards playing well.. similar to the crit calculation!! @ cc2iscool: is this program any different to sitting idle in a server? then sitting in an idle server is cheating... if so, how are you going to strip their achieves? You can't strip one without stripping the other ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?
Nobody has complained to me that they've been VACd. The people that you are hearing this from are likely trolls. Further, the server it connects to is not VAC secure. Certainly Valve has proven it's well within their power to block people from their items. However, about 30,000 people have downloaded the program and I don't think Valve is willing to anger that many people who are already easily upset about access to items. Also, this isn't really relevant to running servers, so please let's not discuss it on this list. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Clyde cide Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 1:52 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op? Hello, I have been hearing a rumour that some people are getting vac banned for using an Idle program at source op. Any one hear of this or know for sure this program will get you Vac'd? Thanks ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?
Also, this isn't really relevant to running servers, so please let's not discuss it on this list. I agree, howev er this is the only place to get serious info even on this. Steam forums as a general rule... well umm there is no real value there. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?
many people use that achievement unlocker in slow fashion and even quick fashion and dont have their weapons removed so yea. As to someone mentioning tf2 using gpu, if you run the game minimized gpu is not used at all and runs idle the only drawback of running tf2 minimized vs not at all is memory usage by the system. cpu usage is about 1% and gpu no more than in 2d windows mode when you run tf2 minimized idle on any server. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.comwrote: Its an interesting debate, although Valve did not Vac Ban the weapon unlocker they just removed the weapons, so I am on the fence wether or not they would Vac on this one. my gut says they wouldnt and the kid in that post got picked off for another cheat, perhaps one they didnt know about. I.E. a friend that knows his log on and runs it from a different machine On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I agree Kenny Loggins ClanAO.com On May 31, 2009, at 4:38 PM, SakeFox sake...@kingdomsend.com wrote: there is a difference. one you are actually running tf2. another your just running a outside application to emulate running the game. really this thread should just be stopped since its just going to turn into a flame war and the end results will be the people that use it wont think its cheating while people that don't think it is. Philip Bembridge wrote: Valve: feel free to block the program, but please PLEASE after the weapon drop probabilities are geared towards playing well.. similar to the crit calculation!! @ cc2iscool: is this program any different to sitting idle in a server? then sitting in an idle server is cheating... if so, how are you going to strip their achieves? You can't strip one without stripping the other ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Problem being listed on the master...
Can anyone else see it? Sometimes you cannot but someone else can. Try send a heartbeat from the server. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Problem being listed on the master...
Well, there is the problem! Simply sober up and you will find that it's working fine :-) Things that can cause a server to not list with the master. GO. (No firewall, on a routed /28, server is playable in all ways, VAC activated, only symptom is that it's not visible to the master, even though the config files all check out against all our other servers) Thanks in advance for the community's help in this. I'm at a loss, though it *IS* my birthday and I'm a little incapacitated. -K ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?
People use steam forums for information? --Original Message-- From: Clyde cide Sender: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list ReplyTo: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op? Sent: May 31, 2009 8:09 PM Also, this isn't really relevant to running servers, so please let's not discuss it on this list. I agree, howev er this is the only place to get serious info even on this. Steam forums as a general rule... well umm there is no real value there. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Sent via BlackBerry by ATT ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?
It's not cheating the game, it's cheating the system. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?
It's not really any different than running TF2 in an idling server and minimizing the window, I wouldn't say it's very honest but I wouldn't really classify it as a cheat. And VACs main purpose is protecting the game process, I don't think you could get VAC banned from just manipulating the Steam API to perform simple tricks like this unless you do it from within the game, while connected to a VAC secured server. Although it seems possible if you were to try to connect to a legitimate (VAC enabled) server using what would appear to be a phony client that VAC might flag your account, although I think it'd most likely just refuse the connection. On 5/31/2009 4:01 PM, SakeFox wrote: I really shouldn't be starting in on this since I really want this thread to die, but by your logic using a application to let me see through walls to improve my performance is no difference then using custom materials that let me see through wall for better performance. Donnie Newlove wrote: In the end the only difference between idling in your app or idling in TF2 is RAM, CPU and if not minimized, GPU used. It's no more cheating than running TF2 in DX8 mode to get better performance. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Cc2iscooLcc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: Seeing as it mimics idling in a server even though you're not idling in a server it could be considered a cheat. You're not actually running a game. You're using a program to emulate the game's function of connecting to a server. As far as I'm concerned that seems like cheating to me. It's like editing your punch times at work to say you were working when you really took the day off instead, and you're still getting paid. While you can't really get in trouble if you have nothing to do all day at work, you can get in trouble for editing your time sheet to say you were at work when you actually weren't. iGiggled -- Cc2iscooL Head Admin/Owner http://www.cc2iscool.com On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Philip Bembridgephilipbembri...@gmail.com wrote: Valve: feel free to block the program, but please PLEASE after the weapon drop probabilities are geared towards playing well.. similar to the crit calculation!! @ cc2iscool: is this program any different to sitting idle in a server? then sitting in an idle server is cheating... if so, how are you going to strip their achieves? You can't strip one without stripping the other ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?
it's amazing how many people think achievents and unlocks are such serious business. ROAR BAN ALL THE IDLERS, ROAR BAN ALL THE FAKE IDLE SERVER CLIENTS what skin is it off your nose? On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 9:39 PM, tgnwells tgnwe...@gmail.com wrote: It's not really any different than running TF2 in an idling server and minimizing the window, I wouldn't say it's very honest but I wouldn't really classify it as a cheat. And VACs main purpose is protecting the game process, I don't think you could get VAC banned from just manipulating the Steam API to perform simple tricks like this unless you do it from within the game, while connected to a VAC secured server. Although it seems possible if you were to try to connect to a legitimate (VAC enabled) server using what would appear to be a phony client that VAC might flag your account, although I think it'd most likely just refuse the connection. On 5/31/2009 4:01 PM, SakeFox wrote: I really shouldn't be starting in on this since I really want this thread to die, but by your logic using a application to let me see through walls to improve my performance is no difference then using custom materials that let me see through wall for better performance. Donnie Newlove wrote: In the end the only difference between idling in your app or idling in TF2 is RAM, CPU and if not minimized, GPU used. It's no more cheating than running TF2 in DX8 mode to get better performance. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Cc2iscooLcc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: Seeing as it mimics idling in a server even though you're not idling in a server it could be considered a cheat. You're not actually running a game. You're using a program to emulate the game's function of connecting to a server. As far as I'm concerned that seems like cheating to me. It's like editing your punch times at work to say you were working when you really took the day off instead, and you're still getting paid. While you can't really get in trouble if you have nothing to do all day at work, you can get in trouble for editing your time sheet to say you were at work when you actually weren't. iGiggled -- Cc2iscooL Head Admin/Owner http://www.cc2iscool.com On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Philip Bembridge philipbembri...@gmail.com wrote: Valve: feel free to block the program, but please PLEASE after the weapon drop probabilities are geared towards playing well.. similar to the crit calculation!! @ cc2iscool: is this program any different to sitting idle in a server? then sitting in an idle server is cheating... if so, how are you going to strip their achieves? You can't strip one without stripping the other ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
