Re: [hlds] Someone took over server
Make sure you also have sv_workshop_allow_other_maps 0 otherwise someone may be able to load a malicious map onto the server. On Jan 23, 2015 10:12 AM, Nomaan Ahmad n0man@gmail.com wrote: OP mentioned about allowing gameme's rcon connection, so this plugin will help him. TCP can be spoofed? I thought that was true for UDP. I have had similar server hijackings in the past, this plugin helped. Blocking off rcon by using rcon_password or disabling TCP altogether might have same effects but you cant use sourcebans or gameme/hlstatsx after that. On 23 January 2015 at 08:23, Korrey Moore ajac...@gmail.com wrote: You should use SMAC's RCON Locker and whitelist IP that you want to allow. http://smac.sx/ Whitelisting home connections is rather pointless since the majority have dynamic IP addresses that constantly change. Then there's the problem that IP addresses can be easily spoofed. It's a TCP block, dunno why he said HTTP explicitly because it isn't HTTP. Yeah excuse me on that, I work with all sorts of routers that use HTTP and TCP interchangeably in the firmware and wasn't thinking. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Someone took over server
Does it matter if ur not running a workshop server Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device Original message From: Jesse Oak wazanato...@gmail.com Date:01/23/2015 12:24 (GMT-05:00) To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Cc: Subject: Re: [hlds] Someone took over server Make sure you also have sv_workshop_allow_other_maps 0 otherwise someone may be able to load a malicious map onto the server. On Jan 23, 2015 10:12 AM, Nomaan Ahmad n0man@gmail.com wrote: OP mentioned about allowing gameme's rcon connection, so this plugin will help him. TCP can be spoofed? I thought that was true for UDP. I have had similar server hijackings in the past, this plugin helped. Blocking off rcon by using rcon_password or disabling TCP altogether might have same effects but you cant use sourcebans or gameme/hlstatsx after that. On 23 January 2015 at 08:23, Korrey Moore ajac...@gmail.com wrote: You should use SMAC's RCON Locker and whitelist IP that you want to allow. http://smac.sx/ Whitelisting home connections is rather pointless since the majority have dynamic IP addresses that constantly change. Then there's the problem that IP addresses can be easily spoofed. It's a TCP block, dunno why he said HTTP explicitly because it isn't HTTP. Yeah excuse me on that, I work with all sorts of routers that use HTTP and TCP interchangeably in the firmware and wasn't thinking. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Someone took over server
Stop using asd123 as rcon passsword... Can we please move on? On 23 January 2015 at 18:54, 2xcombatvet 2xcombat...@gmail.com wrote: Does it matter if ur not running a workshop server Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device Original message From: Jesse Oak wazanato...@gmail.com Date:01/23/2015 12:24 (GMT-05:00) To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Cc: Subject: Re: [hlds] Someone took over server Make sure you also have sv_workshop_allow_other_maps 0 otherwise someone may be able to load a malicious map onto the server. On Jan 23, 2015 10:12 AM, Nomaan Ahmad n0man@gmail.com wrote: OP mentioned about allowing gameme's rcon connection, so this plugin will help him. TCP can be spoofed? I thought that was true for UDP. I have had similar server hijackings in the past, this plugin helped. Blocking off rcon by using rcon_password or disabling TCP altogether might have same effects but you cant use sourcebans or gameme/hlstatsx after that. On 23 January 2015 at 08:23, Korrey Moore ajac...@gmail.com wrote: You should use SMAC's RCON Locker and whitelist IP that you want to allow. http://smac.sx/ Whitelisting home connections is rather pointless since the majority have dynamic IP addresses that constantly change. Then there's the problem that IP addresses can be easily spoofed. It's a TCP block, dunno why he said HTTP explicitly because it isn't HTTP. Yeah excuse me on that, I work with all sorts of routers that use HTTP and TCP interchangeably in the firmware and wasn't thinking. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Someone took over server
It does. By default, your server will accept any map to be ran on it unless you set sv_workshop_allow_other_maps to 0. -ics 2xcombatvet kirjoitti: Does it matter if ur not running a workshop server Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device Original message From: Jesse Oak wazanato...@gmail.com Date:01/23/2015 12:24 (GMT-05:00) To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Cc: Subject: Re: [hlds] Someone took over server Make sure you also have sv_workshop_allow_other_maps 0 otherwise someone may be able to load a malicious map onto the server. On Jan 23, 2015 10:12 AM, Nomaan Ahmad n0man@gmail.com mailto:n0man@gmail.com wrote: OP mentioned about allowing gameme's rcon connection, so this plugin will help him. TCP can be spoofed? I thought that was true for UDP. I have had similar server hijackings in the past, this plugin helped. Blocking off rcon by using rcon_password or disabling TCP altogether might have same effects but you cant use sourcebans or gameme/hlstatsx after that. On 23 January 2015 at 08:23, Korrey Moore ajac...@gmail.com mailto:ajac...@gmail.com wrote: You should use SMAC's RCON Locker and whitelist IP that you want to allow. http://smac.sx/ Whitelisting home connections is rather pointless since the majority have dynamic IP addresses that constantly change. Then there's the problem that IP addresses can be easily spoofed. It's a TCP block, dunno why he said HTTP explicitly because it isn't HTTP. Yeah excuse me on that, I work with all sorts of routers that use HTTP and TCP interchangeably in the firmware and wasn't thinking. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Someone took over server
Sourcemods RCON has limitations. Try getting a full status output with sm_rcon, or anything that returns a lot of information. External plugins or logging tools(HLStats, GameME, Sourcebans) also require RCON. On 1/23/2015 4:14 PM, Weasels Lair wrote: I don't understand why people even enable RCON any more. That's what SourceMod and AMX-Mod-X are for. Just use those to lock it down to which players SteamID's will be your admins. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Someone took over server
I don't understand why people even enable RCON any more. That's what SourceMod and AMX-Mod-X are for. Just use those to lock it down to which players SteamID's will be your admins. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Someone took over server
Thanks everyone! Much love. Been a big help Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device Original message From: ics i...@ics-base.net Date:01/23/2015 16:05 (GMT-05:00) To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Cc: Subject: Re: [hlds] Someone took over server It does. By default, your server will accept any map to be ran on it unless you set sv_workshop_allow_other_maps to 0. -ics 2xcombatvet kirjoitti: Does it matter if ur not running a workshop server Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device Original message From: Jesse Oak wazanato...@gmail.com Date:01/23/2015 12:24 (GMT-05:00) To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Cc: Subject: Re: [hlds] Someone took over server Make sure you also have sv_workshop_allow_other_maps 0 otherwise someone may be able to load a malicious map onto the server. On Jan 23, 2015 10:12 AM, Nomaan Ahmad n0man@gmail.com mailto:n0man@gmail.com wrote: OP mentioned about allowing gameme's rcon connection, so this plugin will help him. TCP can be spoofed? I thought that was true for UDP. I have had similar server hijackings in the past, this plugin helped. Blocking off rcon by using rcon_password or disabling TCP altogether might have same effects but you cant use sourcebans or gameme/hlstatsx after that. On 23 January 2015 at 08:23, Korrey Moore ajac...@gmail.com mailto:ajac...@gmail.com wrote: You should use SMAC's RCON Locker and whitelist IP that you want to allow. http://smac.sx/ Whitelisting home connections is rather pointless since the majority have dynamic IP addresses that constantly change. Then there's the problem that IP addresses can be easily spoofed. It's a TCP block, dunno why he said HTTP explicitly because it isn't HTTP. Yeah excuse me on that, I work with all sorts of routers that use HTTP and TCP interchangeably in the firmware and wasn't thinking. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Someone took over server
I used it predominantly because I could fix something from at work without having to ssh into my box. I also set the password in-line and not the config to prevent the upload-download exploit from being a problem. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Someone took over server
Whitelisting home connections is rather pointless since the majority have dynamic IP addresses that constantly change. Then there's the problem that IP addresses can be easily spoofed. The inbound packets can be source-spoofed, but full TCP links and return UDP will not reach the spoofer unless ARP poisoning or something similar enough is used. In cases of UDP being listened to without caring whether the reply gets to where it's supposed to go, spoofing will work. TCP? Not so much unless you can get into the network between the source and the destination and even then it's a pain. Home IP addresses changing is a challenge though. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Someone took over server
As already stated by Crazed Gunman, things like Source Query, SourceBans, Gameme/HLStatsX:CE require the engine's rcon to run commands on the server. On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Weasels Lair wea...@weaselslair.com wrote: I don't understand why people even enable RCON any more. That's what SourceMod and AMX-Mod-X are for. Just use those to lock it down to which players SteamID's will be your admins. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Someone took over server
I have tried to ban people but the steam I'd doesn't stay in the file it disappears after use banid 0 steam_### then writeid. Didn't work Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device Original message From: Kevin C s...@serveredirect.com Date:01/23/2015 21:16 (GMT-05:00) To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Cc: Subject: Re: [hlds] Someone took over server That's good for you, but some communities need it. RCON is fine if used properly, like issuing IP bans for failed attempts etc. In CS:GO sv_allowdownload and sv_allowupload can be set to 0 anyway to fix any download exploits since it doesn't support sprays and you should be used workshop/fastdl anyway. On 1/23/2015 9:12 PM, Weasels Lair wrote: I run hlstats and sourcebans without rcon and do without the rcon integration. On Jan 23, 2015 4:20 PM, William Pickard lollol22...@gmail.com wrote: As already stated by Crazed Gunman, things like Source Query, SourceBans, Gameme/HLStatsX:CE require the engine's rcon to run commands on the server. On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Weasels Lair wea...@weaselslair.com wrote: I don't understand why people even enable RCON any more. That's what SourceMod and AMX-Mod-X are for. Just use those to lock it down to which players SteamID's will be your admins. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Someone took over server
That's good for you, but some communities need it. RCON is fine if used properly, like issuing IP bans for failed attempts etc. In CS:GO sv_allowdownload and sv_allowupload can be set to 0 anyway to fix any download exploits since it doesn't support sprays and you should be used workshop/fastdl anyway. On 1/23/2015 9:12 PM, Weasels Lair wrote: I run hlstats and sourcebans without rcon and do without the rcon integration. On Jan 23, 2015 4:20 PM, William Pickard lollol22...@gmail.com mailto:lollol22...@gmail.com wrote: As already stated by Crazed Gunman, things like Source Query, SourceBans, Gameme/HLStatsX:CE require the engine's rcon to run commands on the server. On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Weasels Lair wea...@weaselslair.com mailto:wea...@weaselslair.com wrote: I don't understand why people even enable RCON any more. That's what SourceMod and AMX-Mod-X are for. Just use those to lock it down to which players SteamID's will be your admins. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Someone took over server
I run hlstats and sourcebans without rcon and do without the rcon integration. On Jan 23, 2015 4:20 PM, William Pickard lollol22...@gmail.com wrote: As already stated by Crazed Gunman, things like Source Query, SourceBans, Gameme/HLStatsX:CE require the engine's rcon to run commands on the server. On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Weasels Lair wea...@weaselslair.com wrote: I don't understand why people even enable RCON any more. That's what SourceMod and AMX-Mod-X are for. Just use those to lock it down to which players SteamID's will be your admins. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Someone took over server
And write know I don't know how to properly use or install sourceban. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device Original message From: Kevin C s...@serveredirect.com Date:01/23/2015 21:16 (GMT-05:00) To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Cc: Subject: Re: [hlds] Someone took over server That's good for you, but some communities need it. RCON is fine if used properly, like issuing IP bans for failed attempts etc. In CS:GO sv_allowdownload and sv_allowupload can be set to 0 anyway to fix any download exploits since it doesn't support sprays and you should be used workshop/fastdl anyway. On 1/23/2015 9:12 PM, Weasels Lair wrote: I run hlstats and sourcebans without rcon and do without the rcon integration. On Jan 23, 2015 4:20 PM, William Pickard lollol22...@gmail.com wrote: As already stated by Crazed Gunman, things like Source Query, SourceBans, Gameme/HLStatsX:CE require the engine's rcon to run commands on the server. On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Weasels Lair wea...@weaselslair.com wrote: I don't understand why people even enable RCON any more. That's what SourceMod and AMX-Mod-X are for. Just use those to lock it down to which players SteamID's will be your admins. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Vote kicking admin
Game CSGo Steam desktop My problem is that every time my server is about to be full a couple of not so good people come on and start vote kicking people and kicking me while I have full admin access. Is there a plugin for this solution? I have sv allow votes turned off until I find a solution. I have tried using a plugin to stop voting while admin is on server but didn't keep it on long enough. I also can't find the config file that adjust sourcemod voting options. I have researched this with no luck. That's why I am here asking. Thanks everyone. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Someone took over server
Sorry, I meant properly using the engines built in ban system for failed login attempts. On our servers I think we allow 5 failed attempts before we IP ban for an hour. On 1/23/2015 11:20 PM, Korrey Moore wrote: RCON is fine if used properly, like issuing IP bans for failed attempts etc. You don't need RCON to issue an IP ban. Why you'd want to ban someone by IP address is beyond me since IP bans are pretty much useless. I have tried to ban people but the steam I'd doesn't stay in the file it disappears after use banid 0 steam_### then writeid. Didn't work Don't use writeid after you ban someone. banid 0 steam_xyz is enough to remove the offending player from the server. You also need to make sure you have exec banned_user.cfg in your server.cfg or the ban list will be lost when the server crashes or is restarted. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Someone took over server
RCON is fine if used properly, like issuing IP bans for failed attempts etc. You don't need RCON to issue an IP ban. Why you'd want to ban someone by IP address is beyond me since IP bans are pretty much useless. I have tried to ban people but the steam I'd doesn't stay in the file it disappears after use banid 0 steam_### then writeid. Didn't work Don't use writeid after you ban someone. banid 0 steam_xyz is enough to remove the offending player from the server. You also need to make sure you have exec banned_user.cfg in your server.cfg or the ban list will be lost when the server crashes or is restarted. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Someone took over server
You should use SMAC's RCON Locker and whitelist IP that you want to allow. http://smac.sx/ Whitelisting home connections is rather pointless since the majority have dynamic IP addresses that constantly change. Then there's the problem that IP addresses can be easily spoofed. It's a TCP block, dunno why he said HTTP explicitly because it isn't HTTP. Yeah excuse me on that, I work with all sorts of routers that use HTTP and TCP interchangeably in the firmware and wasn't thinking. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Someone took over server
Ok so I am using SMAC and added my IP to the whitelist. Not sure if its working but we will see. Thanks everyone Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device Original message From: Kit Parenteau kitfo...@gmail.com Date:01/23/2015 08:54 (GMT-05:00) To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Cc: Subject: Re: [hlds] Someone took over server Whitelisting home connections is rather pointless since the majority have dynamic IP addresses that constantly change. Then there's the problem that IP addresses can be easily spoofed. The inbound packets can be source-spoofed, but full TCP links and return UDP will not reach the spoofer unless ARP poisoning or something similar enough is used. In cases of UDP being listened to without caring whether the reply gets to where it's supposed to go, spoofing will work. TCP? Not so much unless you can get into the network between the source and the destination and even then it's a pain. Home IP addresses changing is a challenge though. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Someone took over server
OP mentioned about allowing gameme's rcon connection, so this plugin will help him. TCP can be spoofed? I thought that was true for UDP. I have had similar server hijackings in the past, this plugin helped. Blocking off rcon by using rcon_password or disabling TCP altogether might have same effects but you cant use sourcebans or gameme/hlstatsx after that. On 23 January 2015 at 08:23, Korrey Moore ajac...@gmail.com wrote: You should use SMAC's RCON Locker and whitelist IP that you want to allow. http://smac.sx/ Whitelisting home connections is rather pointless since the majority have dynamic IP addresses that constantly change. Then there's the problem that IP addresses can be easily spoofed. It's a TCP block, dunno why he said HTTP explicitly because it isn't HTTP. Yeah excuse me on that, I work with all sorts of routers that use HTTP and TCP interchangeably in the firmware and wasn't thinking. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
