Re: [hlds] Vac2 - Proff positive?
I have personally seen less cheaters on my server and I can actually see lists on mine of people that have been vac banned ( http://uocs.hlstatsx.com/ click on VAC cheater list). Not a conclusive list but at least it shows people are getting caught. If you want to catch cheaters for on the spot kicking then have a look at Wraven's autoban plugin. It's still in beta but getting better all the time. My server suffers with lag spikes occasionally which seemed to create a lot of false positives with 0.4. http://www.mani-admin-plugin.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12812 P.S. I can highly recommend HLstatsX hosting if you want statistics for your server. Ridiculously cheap and great email support if you buy hosting. Graham University of Counter Strike www.UniCS.co.uk On 9/9/05, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I am NOT trolling (at least not intentionally). I am very curious as to whether you, the serious server admins, think that VAC2 is working as promised or what your general opinion of VAC2 is? The reason I am asking is that a lot of people I know stopped playing STEAM games due to the rampant cheating. I know I can get some people back if I can convince them that things are better now. FYI: I stopped running a server about a year ago due to this problem and am contemplating starting a new one for DOD:S. Your input is very important to that decision. Thanks in advance... RR ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac2 - Proff positive?
Firstly, I would like to point out, that officially VAC2 has not been released but instead is in the position of officially still beta, however VAC2 is now enabled by default. At least, this is as much has been stated. VAC2 has definitions for some of the older exploits, however there are very commonly mirrored and well known websites which house working exploits for Steam games which could be easily updated. VAC2 was never supposed to do anything particularly special or new, as such I personally had no un-reasonable expectations about it. It does not enforce full file checks like many of the punkbuster solutions, many clients would say this is a good thing, as it takes one hell of a long time to do. The other issue with that is, should it be post-steam or pre-steam resources? (packed/unpacked, encrypted/unencrypted). As far as memory resource usage is concerned, Steam could, and should take an active interest in Software and Hardware DEP solutions, amoung other things. This having been said, some of the relevant hacks do not appear in kernel or user space, they appear on code loaded onto the graphics card itself. (was that released?) Several of the admin plugins have now taken an interest too, scanning for the cvars which are added by these systems. This is a very crude method of course, resulting in a clear and simple retaliation from crack/cheat builders. If you want a slightly more comprehensive service, you might try Steambans, however this is not the same thing. There is lots of hype surrounding this HackCam thing. I refuse to publicly state my opinions on that, all I can say is, this level of technological development has far greater business value than the games industry. As the producer has refused to contact me regarding substantial (far more so than the games industry can offer) development contracts, I suspect this product does not exist in reality. He is currently hiding behind a NDA, however once again, the size of contracts offered would not hold him quiet for long if he had such a product to sell. One of the final things to note. Many people complain that they've never seen VAC2 working, or that it never catches cheaters. The important thing to remember here is that with VAC2, once they are caught, that steam id, they are gone, one time, and forever. I have seen it work. Rick wrote: Ok, I am NOT trolling (at least not intentionally). I am very curious as to whether you, the serious server admins, think that VAC2 is working as promised or what your general opinion of VAC2 is? The reason I am asking is that a lot of people I know stopped playing STEAM games due to the rampant cheating. I know I can get some people back if I can convince them that things are better now. FYI: I stopped running a server about a year ago due to this problem and am contemplating starting a new one for DOD:S. Your input is very important to that decision. Thanks in advance... RR ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Vac2 - Proff positive?
Ok, I am NOT trolling (at least not intentionally). I am very curious as to whether you, the serious server admins, think that VAC2 is working as promised or what your general opinion of VAC2 is? The reason I am asking is that a lot of people I know stopped playing STEAM games due to the rampant cheating. I know I can get some people back if I can convince them that things are better now. FYI: I stopped running a server about a year ago due to this problem and am contemplating starting a new one for DOD:S. Your input is very important to that decision. Thanks in advance... RR ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac2 - Proff positive?
eh I agree vac2 is crap its not working at all as planned - Original Message - From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 9:27 PM Subject: [hlds] Vac2 - Proff positive? Ok, I am NOT trolling (at least not intentionally). I am very curious as to whether you, the serious server admins, think that VAC2 is working as promised or what your general opinion of VAC2 is? The reason I am asking is that a lot of people I know stopped playing STEAM games due to the rampant cheating. I know I can get some people back if I can convince them that things are better now. FYI: I stopped running a server about a year ago due to this problem and am contemplating starting a new one for DOD:S. Your input is very important to that decision. Thanks in advance... RR ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac2 - Proff positive?
What does vac 2 do exactly for a server standpoint? sprout wrote: eh I agree vac2 is crap its not working at all as planned - Original Message - From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 9:27 PM Subject: [hlds] Vac2 - Proff positive? Ok, I am NOT trolling (at least not intentionally). I am very curious as to whether you, the serious server admins, think that VAC2 is working as promised or what your general opinion of VAC2 is? The reason I am asking is that a lot of people I know stopped playing STEAM games due to the rampant cheating. I know I can get some people back if I can convince them that things are better now. FYI: I stopped running a server about a year ago due to this problem and am contemplating starting a new one for DOD:S. Your input is very important to that decision. Thanks in advance... RR ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac2 - Proff positive?
I beg to differ.As far as I can tell the cheating level on my server has went down 5 fold.Occasionally I saw a hack come through that was an aimbot/wallhack combo.As usual thought there will always be cheating in Cs/HL mods no matter what they do.I wish they could plug the hole though. BeNt http://www.gorillazsouth.com - Original Message - From: sprout [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Vac2 - Proff positive? eh I agree vac2 is crap its not working at all as planned - Original Message - From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 9:27 PM Subject: [hlds] Vac2 - Proff positive? Ok, I am NOT trolling (at least not intentionally). I am very curious as to whether you, the serious server admins, think that VAC2 is working as promised or what your general opinion of VAC2 is? The reason I am asking is that a lot of people I know stopped playing STEAM games due to the rampant cheating. I know I can get some people back if I can convince them that things are better now. FYI: I stopped running a server about a year ago due to this problem and am contemplating starting a new one for DOD:S. Your input is very important to that decision. Thanks in advance... RR ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac2 - Proff positive?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] VAC works great in Source, we see no cheats, we do not receive cheat reports, and if we do get the occasional one, its just a disgruntled user who been beaten by somebody good. Cheating as far as I can tell does not exist in Source. VAC on CS 1.6 on the other hand does not appear to be doing anything to limit the amount of cheats in VAC secured servers. We can join any of our CS 1.6 servers and quickly spot multiple blatant cheats, (speedhacks, shakey screen bots, blatant not even bothering to try and hide it wallhacks, spinbots), we receive numerous cheat reports daily, the cheating on CS 1.6has not been affected whatsoever in CS 1.6. That is the state of play as I currently see it. On 9/9/05, sprout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: eh I agree vac2 is crap its not working at all as planned - Original Message - From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 9:27 PM Subject: [hlds] Vac2 - Proff positive? Ok, I am NOT trolling (at least not intentionally). I am very curious as to whether you, the serious server admins, think that VAC2 is working as promised or what your general opinion of VAC2 is? The reason I am asking is that a lot of people I know stopped playing STEAM games due to the rampant cheating. I know I can get some people back if I can convince them that things are better now. FYI: I stopped running a server about a year ago due to this problem and am contemplating starting a new one for DOD:S. Your input is very important to that decision. Thanks in advance... RR ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac2 - Proff positive?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I've seen many cheats in Source, but they do seem much fewer lately. The one where players would spin around in circles and constantly get head shots was even more obvious than most cheats. When Beetle's mod added checks for cvars used in common cheats, a lot of players on the server I play on got banned until either the cheats were updated or discontinued. On 9/8/05, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] VAC works great in Source, we see no cheats, we do not receive cheat reports, and if we do get the occasional one, its just a disgruntled user who been beaten by somebody good. Cheating as far as I can tell does not exist in Source. VAC on CS 1.6 on the other hand does not appear to be doing anything to limit the amount of cheats in VAC secured servers. We can join any of our CS 1.6 servers and quickly spot multiple blatant cheats, (speedhacks, shakey screen bots, blatant not even bothering to try and hide it wallhacks, spinbots), we receive numerous cheat reports daily, the cheating on CS 1.6has not been affected whatsoever in CS 1.6. That is the state of play as I currently see it. On 9/9/05, sprout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: eh I agree vac2 is crap its not working at all as planned - Original Message - From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 9:27 PM Subject: [hlds] Vac2 - Proff positive? Ok, I am NOT trolling (at least not intentionally). I am very curious as to whether you, the serious server admins, think that VAC2 is working as promised or what your general opinion of VAC2 is? The reason I am asking is that a lot of people I know stopped playing STEAM games due to the rampant cheating. I know I can get some people back if I can convince them that things are better now. FYI: I stopped running a server about a year ago due to this problem and am contemplating starting a new one for DOD:S. Your input is very important to that decision. Thanks in advance... RR ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac2 - Proff positive?
exactly vac did about as much as beetlemod - Original Message - From: LDuke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Vac2 - Proff positive? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I've seen many cheats in Source, but they do seem much fewer lately. The one where players would spin around in circles and constantly get head shots was even more obvious than most cheats. When Beetle's mod added checks for cvars used in common cheats, a lot of players on the server I play on got banned until either the cheats were updated or discontinued. On 9/8/05, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] VAC works great in Source, we see no cheats, we do not receive cheat reports, and if we do get the occasional one, its just a disgruntled user who been beaten by somebody good. Cheating as far as I can tell does not exist in Source. VAC on CS 1.6 on the other hand does not appear to be doing anything to limit the amount of cheats in VAC secured servers. We can join any of our CS 1.6 servers and quickly spot multiple blatant cheats, (speedhacks, shakey screen bots, blatant not even bothering to try and hide it wallhacks, spinbots), we receive numerous cheat reports daily, the cheating on CS 1.6has not been affected whatsoever in CS 1.6. That is the state of play as I currently see it. On 9/9/05, sprout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: eh I agree vac2 is crap its not working at all as planned - Original Message - From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 9:27 PM Subject: [hlds] Vac2 - Proff positive? Ok, I am NOT trolling (at least not intentionally). I am very curious as to whether you, the serious server admins, think that VAC2 is working as promised or what your general opinion of VAC2 is? The reason I am asking is that a lot of people I know stopped playing STEAM games due to the rampant cheating. I know I can get some people back if I can convince them that things are better now. FYI: I stopped running a server about a year ago due to this problem and am contemplating starting a new one for DOD:S. Your input is very important to that decision. Thanks in advance... RR ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac2 - Proff positive?
don't forget, vac bans don't take effect immediately. It's not until some days later that a cheater gets banned. So while you may see some cheaters on your servers that doesn't necessarily mean you'll see them *again.* -- Clayton Macleod get ye flask You cannot get ye flask. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
