Re: [hlds] Map changing time.
Map load times are usually a problem with disk I/O. What kind of hard drives do you have, what is the RPM on them? I hope they're SATA. On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 22:53 +0200, Niels Meijer wrote: I havn't seen this issue before, so I thought let's just post it here.. I noticed, that my 1000fps server needs about 1 to 2 minutes to change to a different map. All the maps on there, are from valve. And the server has a fresh install. I don't have this issue on my other servers though. Hardware specs: Intel Xeon X3320 with 4GB DDR2 RAM OP: Windows Server 2008 R2 Niels Meijer. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Map changing time.
Yes they are. I have them in raid 1, and are running at 7200 RPM... Niels Meijer. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] Namens msleeper Verzonden: vrijdag 17 september 2010 23:09 Aan: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Onderwerp: Re: [hlds] Map changing time. Map load times are usually a problem with disk I/O. What kind of hard drives do you have, what is the RPM on them? I hope they're SATA. On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 22:53 +0200, Niels Meijer wrote: I havn't seen this issue before, so I thought let's just post it here.. I noticed, that my 1000fps server needs about 1 to 2 minutes to change to a different map. All the maps on there, are from valve. And the server has a fresh install. I don't have this issue on my other servers though. Hardware specs: Intel Xeon X3320 with 4GB DDR2 RAM OP: Windows Server 2008 R2 Niels Meijer. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.851 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/3140 - datum van uitgifte: 09/17/10 14:24:00 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Map changing time.
RAID is probably doing you no service, but then again I notoriously hate on RAID so take that as you will. 7200 is pretty lower end. If speed is an issue to you then I recommend buying faster drives. I just got a 15000 RPM and the map changes faster than you can blink. On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 23:16 +0200, Niels Meijer wrote: Yes they are. I have them in raid 1, and are running at 7200 RPM... Niels Meijer. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] Namens msleeper Verzonden: vrijdag 17 september 2010 23:09 Aan: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Onderwerp: Re: [hlds] Map changing time. Map load times are usually a problem with disk I/O. What kind of hard drives do you have, what is the RPM on them? I hope they're SATA. On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 22:53 +0200, Niels Meijer wrote: I havn't seen this issue before, so I thought let's just post it here.. I noticed, that my 1000fps server needs about 1 to 2 minutes to change to a different map. All the maps on there, are from valve. And the server has a fresh install. I don't have this issue on my other servers though. Hardware specs: Intel Xeon X3320 with 4GB DDR2 RAM OP: Windows Server 2008 R2 Niels Meijer. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.851 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/3140 - datum van uitgifte: 09/17/10 14:24:00 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Map changing time.
Guess it's time to invest in some SSD's than.. :) Niels Meijer. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] Namens msleeper Verzonden: vrijdag 17 september 2010 23:21 Aan: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Onderwerp: Re: [hlds] Map changing time. RAID is probably doing you no service, but then again I notoriously hate on RAID so take that as you will. 7200 is pretty lower end. If speed is an issue to you then I recommend buying faster drives. I just got a 15000 RPM and the map changes faster than you can blink. On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 23:16 +0200, Niels Meijer wrote: Yes they are. I have them in raid 1, and are running at 7200 RPM... Niels Meijer. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] Namens msleeper Verzonden: vrijdag 17 september 2010 23:09 Aan: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Onderwerp: Re: [hlds] Map changing time. Map load times are usually a problem with disk I/O. What kind of hard drives do you have, what is the RPM on them? I hope they're SATA. On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 22:53 +0200, Niels Meijer wrote: I havn't seen this issue before, so I thought let's just post it here.. I noticed, that my 1000fps server needs about 1 to 2 minutes to change to a different map. All the maps on there, are from valve. And the server has a fresh install. I don't have this issue on my other servers though. Hardware specs: Intel Xeon X3320 with 4GB DDR2 RAM OP: Windows Server 2008 R2 Niels Meijer. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.851 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/3140 - datum van uitgifte: 09/17/10 14:24:00 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.851 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/3140 - datum van uitgifte: 09/17/10 14:24:00 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Map changing time.
Or sas drives. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Niels Meijer nielsmei...@hotmail.com Sender: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 23:23:28 To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Reply-To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Map changing time. Guess it's time to invest in some SSD's than.. :) Niels Meijer. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] Namens msleeper Verzonden: vrijdag 17 september 2010 23:21 Aan: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Onderwerp: Re: [hlds] Map changing time. RAID is probably doing you no service, but then again I notoriously hate on RAID so take that as you will. 7200 is pretty lower end. If speed is an issue to you then I recommend buying faster drives. I just got a 15000 RPM and the map changes faster than you can blink. On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 23:16 +0200, Niels Meijer wrote: Yes they are. I have them in raid 1, and are running at 7200 RPM... Niels Meijer. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] Namens msleeper Verzonden: vrijdag 17 september 2010 23:09 Aan: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Onderwerp: Re: [hlds] Map changing time. Map load times are usually a problem with disk I/O. What kind of hard drives do you have, what is the RPM on them? I hope they're SATA. On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 22:53 +0200, Niels Meijer wrote: I havn't seen this issue before, so I thought let's just post it here.. I noticed, that my 1000fps server needs about 1 to 2 minutes to change to a different map. All the maps on there, are from valve. And the server has a fresh install. I don't have this issue on my other servers though. Hardware specs: Intel Xeon X3320 with 4GB DDR2 RAM OP: Windows Server 2008 R2 Niels Meijer. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.851 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/3140 - datum van uitgifte: 09/17/10 14:24:00 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.851 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/3140 - datum van uitgifte: 09/17/10 14:24:00 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Map changing time.
SSD's really aren't the most viable option for servers for a plethora of reasons that you can research yourself. On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 23:23 +0200, Niels Meijer wrote: Guess it's time to invest in some SSD's than.. :) Niels Meijer. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] Namens msleeper Verzonden: vrijdag 17 september 2010 23:21 Aan: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Onderwerp: Re: [hlds] Map changing time. RAID is probably doing you no service, but then again I notoriously hate on RAID so take that as you will. 7200 is pretty lower end. If speed is an issue to you then I recommend buying faster drives. I just got a 15000 RPM and the map changes faster than you can blink. On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 23:16 +0200, Niels Meijer wrote: Yes they are. I have them in raid 1, and are running at 7200 RPM... Niels Meijer. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] Namens msleeper Verzonden: vrijdag 17 september 2010 23:09 Aan: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Onderwerp: Re: [hlds] Map changing time. Map load times are usually a problem with disk I/O. What kind of hard drives do you have, what is the RPM on them? I hope they're SATA. On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 22:53 +0200, Niels Meijer wrote: I havn't seen this issue before, so I thought let's just post it here.. I noticed, that my 1000fps server needs about 1 to 2 minutes to change to a different map. All the maps on there, are from valve. And the server has a fresh install. I don't have this issue on my other servers though. Hardware specs: Intel Xeon X3320 with 4GB DDR2 RAM OP: Windows Server 2008 R2 Niels Meijer. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.851 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/3140 - datum van uitgifte: 09/17/10 14:24:00 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.851 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/3140 - datum van uitgifte: 09/17/10 14:24:00 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Map changing time.
Is this true hardware raid (some sort of add-on card/romb), software raid (provided by motherboard BIOS), or windows softraid? Windows dynamic disks in a mirrored configuration are not really 'raid 1' per se. Windows picks one of the drives as the primary, and only immediately writes the data to the primary, caching the writes to the secondary to be done later... This improves performance in theory, since you aren't going to be saturating the raid controller by writing the same data to the same controller, but it means that the cached writes may be happening while the server is attempting to read to load the map. Hardware raid gives you a single write operation that is written to both drives simultaneously, which cuts the amount of data sent to the controller in half. It seems unlikely to me that this really matters a lot until you are writing a lot of data to the drives, though. The controller should be able to handle somewhere near 300MB/s, and the drives probably can't read/write much faster than 80MB/s. Hard drives with more cache memory would be affected even less. Are you also collecting player stats on the same box with hlx:ce or some other mysql live stats type deal? Shouldn't matter unless you are running a bunch of servers/slots, but mysql can be a bit of an IO hog at times (especially if you're also running a website/forum that uses a lot of SQL). Quoting Niels Meijer nielsmei...@hotmail.com: Yes they are. I have them in raid 1, and are running at 7200 RPM... Niels Meijer. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] Namens msleeper Verzonden: vrijdag 17 september 2010 23:09 Aan: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Onderwerp: Re: [hlds] Map changing time. Map load times are usually a problem with disk I/O. What kind of hard drives do you have, what is the RPM on them? I hope they're SATA. On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 22:53 +0200, Niels Meijer wrote: I havn't seen this issue before, so I thought let's just post it here.. I noticed, that my 1000fps server needs about 1 to 2 minutes to change to a different map. All the maps on there, are from valve. And the server has a fresh install. I don't have this issue on my other servers though. Hardware specs: Intel Xeon X3320 with 4GB DDR2 RAM OP: Windows Server 2008 R2 Niels Meijer. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.851 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/3140 - datum van uitgifte: 09/17/10 14:24:00 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Map changing time.
Lower the round end chat time. I havn't seen this issue before, so I thought let's just post it here.. I noticed, that my 1000fps server needs about 1 to 2 minutes to change to a different map. All the maps on there, are from valve. And the server has a fresh install. I don't have this issue on my other servers though. Hardware specs: Intel Xeon X3320 with 4GB DDR2 RAM OP: Windows Server 2008 R2 Niels Meijer. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Map changing time.
Do you happen to have WD disks? -ics 18.9.2010 0:23, Niels Meijer kirjoitti: Guess it's time to invest in some SSD's than.. :) Niels Meijer. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] Namens msleeper Verzonden: vrijdag 17 september 2010 23:21 Aan: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Onderwerp: Re: [hlds] Map changing time. RAID is probably doing you no service, but then again I notoriously hate on RAID so take that as you will. 7200 is pretty lower end. If speed is an issue to you then I recommend buying faster drives. I just got a 15000 RPM and the map changes faster than you can blink. On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 23:16 +0200, Niels Meijer wrote: Yes they are. I have them in raid 1, and are running at 7200 RPM... Niels Meijer. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] Namens msleeper Verzonden: vrijdag 17 september 2010 23:09 Aan: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Onderwerp: Re: [hlds] Map changing time. Map load times are usually a problem with disk I/O. What kind of hard drives do you have, what is the RPM on them? I hope they're SATA. On Fri, 2010-09-17 at 22:53 +0200, Niels Meijer wrote: I havn't seen this issue before, so I thought let's just post it here.. I noticed, that my 1000fps server needs about 1 to 2 minutes to change to a different map. All the maps on there, are from valve. And the server has a fresh install. I don't have this issue on my other servers though. Hardware specs: Intel Xeon X3320 with 4GB DDR2 RAM OP: Windows Server 2008 R2 Niels Meijer. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.851 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/3140 - datum van uitgifte: 09/17/10 14:24:00 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.851 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/3140 - datum van uitgifte: 09/17/10 14:24:00 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Map changing time.
Are you by any chance using Sourcemod's admin-sql-prefetch or anything else that uses non-threaded sql queries? On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Niels Meijer nielsmei...@hotmail.comwrote: I havn't seen this issue before, so I thought let's just post it here.. I noticed, that my 1000fps server needs about 1 to 2 minutes to change to a different map. All the maps on there, are from valve. And the server has a fresh install. I don't have this issue on my other servers though. Hardware specs: Intel Xeon X3320 with 4GB DDR2 RAM OP: Windows Server 2008 R2 Niels Meijer. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Map changing time.
Like I said, it's a fresh install. @ics, I have no idea. @inflatablesoulmate, its a windows raid. Niels Meijer. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] Namens 1nsane Verzonden: zaterdag 18 september 2010 0:10 Aan: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Onderwerp: Re: [hlds] Map changing time. Are you by any chance using Sourcemod's admin-sql-prefetch or anything else that uses non-threaded sql queries? On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Niels Meijer nielsmei...@hotmail.comwrote: I havn't seen this issue before, so I thought let's just post it here.. I noticed, that my 1000fps server needs about 1 to 2 minutes to change to a different map. All the maps on there, are from valve. And the server has a fresh install. I don't have this issue on my other servers though. Hardware specs: Intel Xeon X3320 with 4GB DDR2 RAM OP: Windows Server 2008 R2 Niels Meijer. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0.851 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/3140 - datum van uitgifte: 09/17/10 14:24:00 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Map changing time.
Windows RAIDS are horrible. msleeper is right, don't use them. If you had a raid controller, that would be much better depending ok cache and disk speeds. 15k drives are best. On Sep 17, 2010 6:41 PM, Niels Meijer nielsmei...@hotmail.com wrote: Like I said, it's a fresh install. @ics, I have no idea. @inflatablesoulmate, its a windows raid. Niels Meijer. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] Namens 1nsane Verzonden: zaterdag 18 september 2010 0:10 Aan: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Onderwerp: Re: [hlds] Map changing time. Are you by any chance using Sourcemod's admin-sql-prefetch or anything else that uses non-threaded s... Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 9.0 To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.val... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
