Re: [HOT] Spam messages

[Florian Kratochwil]

I also think automated messages (especially with this text) are no good. 
For me validating, I see three situations:
1) The work is bad or the tile is not fully mapped: --> I invalidate. I 
always invalidate with a comment and I think everybody does it like this 
(or maybe it is even a must?)
2) The work is perfect, I don't have to correct anything --> I validate, 
and sometimes I write a comment, sometimes not (if it was a lot of work 
I write something, if there was almost nothing to map I dont)
3) It is something in between. A few objects are not mapped or some 
overlapping / not squared buildings etc. --> I correct it and press 
validate. Again, I comment sometimes, but not everytime.


Especially for number 3, the work is neither perfect or "awesome". So if 
there is an automated message like the text John posted, I don't want it 
to be sent out because it would be wrong.


How to improve it? Possible solutions (not ranked):
1) Make comments compulsory (maybe provide some text for copy-paste or 
own templates?)
2) Provide a page for every user with information about my mapped tasks. 
How many have been validated, how many invalidated, how many not 
checked? I am definitely interested in that. And if you map a lot it is 
better to have an overview over your work on such a page than on dozens 
of mails.
3) Create a checkbox: "I want to be informed, when this task gets 
validated" and when you check it, you get an email, if not you don't. 
(One should be able to set the default setting of this checkbox 
individually)


And apart from this: In the TM2 comment box, when I pressed "@" all 
usernames of mappers of the locked tile were proposed. In TM3 this isnt. 
I hope this will be implemented again, it really speeds things up.


Florian

Am 2017-10-29 um 14:36 schrieb john whelan:
If you work by validating tiles on a project as they are done as I do 
so the tile is validated within a day or so and the project has 95% of 
the mapped tiles validated this isn't a problem.


I do have a strong negative reaction to seeing the word awesome all 
over the place it might work in Chicago but it doesn't fit the culture 
of many people from other backgrounds.


I have removed my email address so I no longer get these unwanted 
messages in my email.


A lot of OSM mapping is done by a few mappers.  On a project I'm 
working on one mapper has mapped more than 120 tiles. Fine but with so 
many messages any feedback I might want to give them will get lost in 
the bulk of the messages.  The other objection to this is the time it 
takes to review and read the messages in Task Manager.  The more you 
map the more junk mail you get.


A very unhappy validator.

John

On 29 October 2017 at 08:22, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM 
> wrote:


Hi John,
One of the main feedback items we got was that people received no
notifications of when their work was validated so that is why we
switched from sending a message to the users when their work was
validated instead of only when it was invalidated.

They are probably going to stay and as I said, improved so when people
do not want to receive them anymore they can opt out of validation
emails/messages specifically.

Typically spam is unsolicited emails, however, emails from the Tasking
Manager are fully opt-in. If you do not provide your email address,
you do not receive any emails. You can remove your email address at
anytime and you will no longer receive emails from the Tasking
Manager.

As I said, eventually you will be able to opt in and out of different
types of emails/messages so you could choose to not receive messages
or emails when your tasks get validated.

Cheers
Blake

On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 1:06 PM, john whelan
> wrote:
> I think I've validated more than 10,000 tiles I would hate to
think I'd be
> responsible for 10,000 spam messages.
>
> These are meaningless and I think they should be stopped as
quickly as
> possible.
>
> I apologise to any mappers that have received these as part of my
> validations.
>
> I will have to give consideration as to whether to continue to
validate
> whilst these are being generated as I really do not want any
part of them.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 29 October 2017 at 07:49, Blake Girardot > wrote:
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Yes, the Tasking Manger sends an automated message each time a
task is
>> validated.
>>
>> The wording of the automated message has been improved.
>>
>> The previous version of the Tasking Manager used to send an
automated
>> message when a task was invalidated, but we have switched that
to send
>> when they are validated.
>>
>> If you want to send a 

Re: [HOT] TM3 sending out unauthorised messages under validators names

[john whelan]

Since it had been raised before I think a mention in this mailing group
that they were not coming from individual validators would have been
appropriate.

Thanks John

On 29 Oct 2017 12:09 pm, "Scott Davies"  wrote:

> John,
>
> I've raised this also. I think there are two issues here-- 1. the plethora
> of emails being sent and whether this is annoying to some people, and 2.
> the wording of the email does make it sound like it's from the validator
> and doesn't make clear that it's automated, leading to misunderstandings
> and confusion. (Also it's worded in a very, shall we say culturally
> specific, way).
>
> On the 1st issue I understand there is or will very soon be an option to
> opt out of these messages.
>
> On the 2nd issue I believe it's in a queue of TM3 issues to be addressed,
> so that it's clear that the message is automated.
>
> -Scott
>
> On 29 October 2017 at 16:00, john whelan  wrote:
>
>> "Hi Johnwhelan I just validated your mapping on Task 14. Awesome work!
>> Keep mapping :)"
>>
>> Apparently similar twee messages are being sent out as if they come from
>> me.  These are unauthorised and I object to them.
>>
>> One issue is validators getting impolite messages because they appear to
>> have sent them.
>>
>> If these are system generated messages then they should be sent under a
>> system user name or Tyler's.
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
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Re: [HOT] TM3 sending out unauthorised messages under validators names

[Scott Davies]

John,

I've raised this also. I think there are two issues here-- 1. the plethora
of emails being sent and whether this is annoying to some people, and 2.
the wording of the email does make it sound like it's from the validator
and doesn't make clear that it's automated, leading to misunderstandings
and confusion. (Also it's worded in a very, shall we say culturally
specific, way).

On the 1st issue I understand there is or will very soon be an option to
opt out of these messages.

On the 2nd issue I believe it's in a queue of TM3 issues to be addressed,
so that it's clear that the message is automated.

-Scott

On 29 October 2017 at 16:00, john whelan  wrote:

> "Hi Johnwhelan I just validated your mapping on Task 14. Awesome work!
> Keep mapping :)"
>
> Apparently similar twee messages are being sent out as if they come from
> me.  These are unauthorised and I object to them.
>
> One issue is validators getting impolite messages because they appear to
> have sent them.
>
> If these are system generated messages then they should be sent under a
> system user name or Tyler's.
>
> Cheerio John
>
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[HOT] TM3 sending out unauthorised messages under validators names

[john whelan]

"Hi Johnwhelan I just validated your mapping on Task 14. Awesome work! Keep
mapping :)"

Apparently similar twee messages are being sent out as if they come from
me.  These are unauthorised and I object to them.

One issue is validators getting impolite messages because they appear to
have sent them.

If these are system generated messages then they should be sent under a
system user name or Tyler's.

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Re: [HOT] Fwd: Tasking Manager : map tiles not loading at lower zooms

[Nikhil VJ]

Ok.. How about reverting to the default OSM tileset till the issue is resolved?

http://{s}.tile.openstreetmap.org/{z}/{x}/{y}.png


On 10/29/17, Philippe Verdy  wrote:
> There's an overload problem on the tile renderer and the tiles wanted are
> missing in the server front caches (which are also overloaded or have
> problems connecting to the renderers for several of the styles renderered).
> Even some static images for the UI are not loading. It looks there's a
> connectivity network problem between front caches and background image
> servers.
>
> 2017-10-29 15:23 GMT+01:00 Nikhil VJ :
>
>> Hello, cross-posting this to the mailing list as I just joined now:
>>
>> We're planning a mapping activity for rural roads in Pune district in
>> India.
>> Our project is here:
>> http://tasks.openstreetmap.in/project/89
>> (Still in draft mode)
>>
>> We are facing an issue in the Tasking Manager interface : Map tiles are
>> not loading beyond country zoom level. The browser console shows errors.
>>
>> Screenshots of the interface and error messages:
>> At 50km scale: https://i.imgur.com/1JFm74T.png
>> At 20km scale: https://i.imgur.com/UhSrAiQ.png
>> Console errors : https://i.imgur.com/dLch0Hy.png
>>
>> The task manager is not loading regular OSM tiles : here are a couple of
>> error'd URLs:
>> http://tile-a.openstreetmap.fr/hot/8/180/114.png
>> http://tile-c.openstreetmap.fr/hot/8/179/114.png
>>
>> Since it appears to be a HOT-specific tile source, it's possible that
>> those areas might not have been provisioned or something.
>>
>> Is there something we could do here? In the Edit mode there is an
>> "Imagery" tab but I have not been able to get anything through that.
>>
>> Why we need to see the map behind our shapes/grid : We want to start with
>> the shapes that have roads marked and work our way from there, so that we
>> can connect to existing road network rather than making orphaned paths.
>>
>> --
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>> Nikhil VJ
>> +91-966-583-1250
>> Pune, India
>> DataMeet Pune chapter 
>> Self-designed learner at Swaraj University > rg>
>> Blog 
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Re: [HOT] Fwd: Tasking Manager : map tiles not loading at lower zooms

[Philippe Verdy]

There's an overload problem on the tile renderer and the tiles wanted are
missing in the server front caches (which are also overloaded or have
problems connecting to the renderers for several of the styles renderered).
Even some static images for the UI are not loading. It looks there's a
connectivity network problem between front caches and background image
servers.

2017-10-29 15:23 GMT+01:00 Nikhil VJ :

> Hello, cross-posting this to the mailing list as I just joined now:
>
> We're planning a mapping activity for rural roads in Pune district in
> India.
> Our project is here:
> http://tasks.openstreetmap.in/project/89
> (Still in draft mode)
>
> We are facing an issue in the Tasking Manager interface : Map tiles are
> not loading beyond country zoom level. The browser console shows errors.
>
> Screenshots of the interface and error messages:
> At 50km scale: https://i.imgur.com/1JFm74T.png
> At 20km scale: https://i.imgur.com/UhSrAiQ.png
> Console errors : https://i.imgur.com/dLch0Hy.png
>
> The task manager is not loading regular OSM tiles : here are a couple of
> error'd URLs:
> http://tile-a.openstreetmap.fr/hot/8/180/114.png
> http://tile-c.openstreetmap.fr/hot/8/179/114.png
>
> Since it appears to be a HOT-specific tile source, it's possible that
> those areas might not have been provisioned or something.
>
> Is there something we could do here? In the Edit mode there is an
> "Imagery" tab but I have not been able to get anything through that.
>
> Why we need to see the map behind our shapes/grid : We want to start with
> the shapes that have roads marked and work our way from there, so that we
> can connect to existing road network rather than making orphaned paths.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Nikhil VJ
> +91-966-583-1250
> Pune, India
> DataMeet Pune chapter 
> Self-designed learner at Swaraj University  rg>
> Blog 
> Contribute 
>
>
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[HOT] Fwd: Tasking Manager : map tiles not loading at lower zooms

[Nikhil VJ]

Hello, cross-posting this to the mailing list as I just joined now:

We're planning a mapping activity for rural roads in Pune district in India.
Our project is here:
http://tasks.openstreetmap.in/project/89
(Still in draft mode)

We are facing an issue in the Tasking Manager interface : Map tiles are not
loading beyond country zoom level. The browser console shows errors.

Screenshots of the interface and error messages:
At 50km scale: https://i.imgur.com/1JFm74T.png
At 20km scale: https://i.imgur.com/UhSrAiQ.png
Console errors : https://i.imgur.com/dLch0Hy.png

The task manager is not loading regular OSM tiles : here are a couple of
error'd URLs:
http://tile-a.openstreetmap.fr/hot/8/180/114.png
http://tile-c.openstreetmap.fr/hot/8/179/114.png

Since it appears to be a HOT-specific tile source, it's possible that those
areas might not have been provisioned or something.

Is there something we could do here? In the Edit mode there is an "Imagery"
tab but I have not been able to get anything through that.

Why we need to see the map behind our shapes/grid : We want to start with
the shapes that have roads marked and work our way from there, so that we
can connect to existing road network rather than making orphaned paths.

--
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Re: [HOT] Spam messages

[john whelan]

If you work by validating tiles on a project as they are done as I do so
the tile is validated within a day or so and the project has 95% of the
mapped tiles validated this isn't a problem.

I do have a strong negative reaction to seeing the word awesome all over
the place it might work in Chicago but it doesn't fit the culture of many
people from other backgrounds.

I have removed my email address so I no longer get these unwanted messages
in my email.

A lot of OSM mapping is done by a few mappers.  On a project I'm working on
one mapper has mapped more than 120 tiles. Fine but with so many messages
any feedback I might want to give them will get lost in the bulk of the
messages.  The other objection to this is the time it takes to review and
read the messages in Task Manager.  The more you map the more junk mail you
get.

A very unhappy validator.

John

On 29 October 2017 at 08:22, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM <
blake.girar...@hotosm.org> wrote:

> Hi John,
> One of the main feedback items we got was that people received no
> notifications of when their work was validated so that is why we
> switched from sending a message to the users when their work was
> validated instead of only when it was invalidated.
>
> They are probably going to stay and as I said, improved so when people
> do not want to receive them anymore they can opt out of validation
> emails/messages specifically.
>
> Typically spam is unsolicited emails, however, emails from the Tasking
> Manager are fully opt-in. If you do not provide your email address,
> you do not receive any emails. You can remove your email address at
> anytime and you will no longer receive emails from the Tasking
> Manager.
>
> As I said, eventually you will be able to opt in and out of different
> types of emails/messages so you could choose to not receive messages
> or emails when your tasks get validated.
>
> Cheers
> Blake
>
> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 1:06 PM, john whelan 
> wrote:
> > I think I've validated more than 10,000 tiles I would hate to think I'd
> be
> > responsible for 10,000 spam messages.
> >
> > These are meaningless and I think they should be stopped as quickly as
> > possible.
> >
> > I apologise to any mappers that have received these as part of my
> > validations.
> >
> > I will have to give consideration as to whether to continue to validate
> > whilst these are being generated as I really do not want any part of
> them.
> >
> > Cheerio John
> >
> > On 29 October 2017 at 07:49, Blake Girardot  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi John,
> >>
> >> Yes, the Tasking Manger sends an automated message each time a task is
> >> validated.
> >>
> >> The wording of the automated message has been improved.
> >>
> >> The previous version of the Tasking Manager used to send an automated
> >> message when a task was invalidated, but we have switched that to send
> >> when they are validated.
> >>
> >> If you want to send a message when invalidating a task just use the @
> >> to make direct one to the right person.
> >>
> >> Eventually there will be an opt out for the validation messages.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Blake
> >>
> >> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 12:28 PM, john whelan 
> >> wrote:
> >> > "John, this was an automated message after my validation, probably
> from
> >> > the
> >> > Tasking manager.  Not one I wrote !  I received similar messages from
> >> > validators on my tasks."
> >> >
> >> > What is going on please.  Am I generating these if so I'll stop
> >> > validating.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks John
> >> >
> >> > On 29 October 2017 at 07:01, john whelan 
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> "Hi Johnwhelan I just validated your mapping on Task 14. Awesome
> work!
> >> >> Keep mapping :)"
> >> >>
> >> >> Once maybe but seven identical messages this morning other than the
> >> >> task
> >> >> number?  These are coming in daily from different people and I'm not
> >> >> happy
> >> >> to receive them.  Combined with these come to my email address which
> I
> >> >> read
> >> >> on multiple devices including ones that do not have access to HOT and
> >> >> they
> >> >> get really annoying.
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheerio John
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot
> >> HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot
> >> skype: jblakegirardot
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> >
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>
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> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
>

Re: [HOT] Spam messages

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

Hi John,
One of the main feedback items we got was that people received no
notifications of when their work was validated so that is why we
switched from sending a message to the users when their work was
validated instead of only when it was invalidated.

They are probably going to stay and as I said, improved so when people
do not want to receive them anymore they can opt out of validation
emails/messages specifically.

Typically spam is unsolicited emails, however, emails from the Tasking
Manager are fully opt-in. If you do not provide your email address,
you do not receive any emails. You can remove your email address at
anytime and you will no longer receive emails from the Tasking
Manager.

As I said, eventually you will be able to opt in and out of different
types of emails/messages so you could choose to not receive messages
or emails when your tasks get validated.

Cheers
Blake

On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 1:06 PM, john whelan  wrote:
> I think I've validated more than 10,000 tiles I would hate to think I'd be
> responsible for 10,000 spam messages.
>
> These are meaningless and I think they should be stopped as quickly as
> possible.
>
> I apologise to any mappers that have received these as part of my
> validations.
>
> I will have to give consideration as to whether to continue to validate
> whilst these are being generated as I really do not want any part of them.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 29 October 2017 at 07:49, Blake Girardot  wrote:
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Yes, the Tasking Manger sends an automated message each time a task is
>> validated.
>>
>> The wording of the automated message has been improved.
>>
>> The previous version of the Tasking Manager used to send an automated
>> message when a task was invalidated, but we have switched that to send
>> when they are validated.
>>
>> If you want to send a message when invalidating a task just use the @
>> to make direct one to the right person.
>>
>> Eventually there will be an opt out for the validation messages.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Blake
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 12:28 PM, john whelan 
>> wrote:
>> > "John, this was an automated message after my validation, probably from
>> > the
>> > Tasking manager.  Not one I wrote !  I received similar messages from
>> > validators on my tasks."
>> >
>> > What is going on please.  Am I generating these if so I'll stop
>> > validating.
>> >
>> > Thanks John
>> >
>> > On 29 October 2017 at 07:01, john whelan  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "Hi Johnwhelan I just validated your mapping on Task 14. Awesome work!
>> >> Keep mapping :)"
>> >>
>> >> Once maybe but seven identical messages this morning other than the
>> >> task
>> >> number?  These are coming in daily from different people and I'm not
>> >> happy
>> >> to receive them.  Combined with these come to my email address which I
>> >> read
>> >> on multiple devices including ones that do not have access to HOT and
>> >> they
>> >> get really annoying.
>> >>
>> >> Cheerio John
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ___
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>> > HOT@openstreetmap.org
>> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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>> 
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>> OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot
>> HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot
>> skype: jblakegirardot
>> Live OSM Mapper-Support channel - https://hotosm-slack.herokuapp.com/
>
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Re: [HOT] Spam messages

[john whelan]

I think I've validated more than 10,000 tiles I would hate to think I'd be
responsible for 10,000 spam messages.

These are meaningless and I think they should be stopped as quickly as
possible.

I apologise to any mappers that have received these as part of my
validations.

I will have to give consideration as to whether to continue to validate
whilst these are being generated as I really do not want any part of them.

Cheerio John

On 29 October 2017 at 07:49, Blake Girardot  wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> Yes, the Tasking Manger sends an automated message each time a task is
> validated.
>
> The wording of the automated message has been improved.
>
> The previous version of the Tasking Manager used to send an automated
> message when a task was invalidated, but we have switched that to send
> when they are validated.
>
> If you want to send a message when invalidating a task just use the @
> to make direct one to the right person.
>
> Eventually there will be an opt out for the validation messages.
>
> Cheers
> Blake
>
> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 12:28 PM, john whelan 
> wrote:
> > "John, this was an automated message after my validation, probably from
> the
> > Tasking manager.  Not one I wrote !  I received similar messages from
> > validators on my tasks."
> >
> > What is going on please.  Am I generating these if so I'll stop
> validating.
> >
> > Thanks John
> >
> > On 29 October 2017 at 07:01, john whelan  wrote:
> >>
> >> "Hi Johnwhelan I just validated your mapping on Task 14. Awesome work!
> >> Keep mapping :)"
> >>
> >> Once maybe but seven identical messages this morning other than the task
> >> number?  These are coming in daily from different people and I'm not
> happy
> >> to receive them.  Combined with these come to my email address which I
> read
> >> on multiple devices including ones that do not have access to HOT and
> they
> >> get really annoying.
> >>
> >> Cheerio John
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
>
>
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> 
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Re: [HOT] Spam messages

[john whelan]

"John, this was an automated message after my validation, probably from the
Tasking manager.  Not one I wrote !  I received similar messages from
validators on my tasks."

What is going on please.  Am I generating these if so I'll stop validating.

Thanks John

On 29 October 2017 at 07:01, john whelan  wrote:

> "Hi Johnwhelan I just validated your mapping on Task 14. Awesome work!
> Keep mapping :)"
>
> Once maybe but seven identical messages this morning other than the task
> number?  These are coming in daily from different people and I'm not happy
> to receive them.  Combined with these come to my email address which I read
> on multiple devices including ones that do not have access to HOT and they
> get really annoying.
>
> Cheerio John
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[HOT] Spam messages

[john whelan]

"Hi Johnwhelan I just validated your mapping on Task 14. Awesome work! Keep
mapping :)"

Once maybe but seven identical messages this morning other than the task
number?  These are coming in daily from different people and I'm not happy
to receive them.  Combined with these come to my email address which I read
on multiple devices including ones that do not have access to HOT and they
get really annoying.

Cheerio John
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