Re: [HOT] [Osmf-talk] Dale Kunce (OSM, OSMF and HOT US Inc president) on [OSMF] mailing list: "a viper pit of racism and misogyny"; a statement which minimally calls for answers and facts

2017-12-18 Thread Marc Farra 
Nicolas,

What are you asking for exactly? Are you asking for a member code of conduct 
governing the OSMF mailing list that can extend to a third party service? Or 
maybe that we should be in the business of censoring Dale’s right to express 
his opinions on a third party service? Please clarify what you expect the 
community to do because I’m confused here.

Cheers,
Marc

> On Dec 18, 2017, at 5:18 PM, nicolas chavent  
> wrote:
> 
> Dear HOT US Inc, OSMF members and HOT mailing list subscribers, 
> 
> I randomly ran into this tweet of Dale Kunce [1], 
> > "Community. The absolute best and worst things of OSM. Current mailing list 
> > is a viper pit of racism and misogyny. I don’t know it if will ever be a 
> > safe place. Even I’m thinking of unsubscribing."
> 
> As both an OSM, OSMF, HOT US Inc member (and the president of the HOT US Inc 
> NGO), Dale shall find appropriate to develop his thoughts and provide facts 
> to explain how the November [2] and December [3] discussions on the 
> OpenStreetMap Foundation (OSMF) mailing-list (osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org) 
> translate into "racism and misogyny". 
> This would constitute a form of bare minimal respect ought to the members of 
> those communities. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Best, 
> Nicolas
>   
> 
> [1]: https://twitter.com/calimapnerd/status/942596633283448832
> [2]: 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2017-November/thread.html
> [3]: 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2017-December/subject.html
> 
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Re: [HOT] [hotosm-membership] Re: Dale Kunce (OSM, OSMF and HOT US Inc president) on [OSMF] mailing list: "a viper pit of racism and misogyny"; a statement which minimally calls for answers and facts

2017-12-18 Thread Blake Girardot HOT/OSM 
Dear Friends,

Respectfully, what Dale's opinion on the state of the wider OSM
community is off topic for the HOT email list which is as
follows:

"During crisis, the HOT list supports coordination among the OSM
community (along side appropriate local country lists, and the
talk/dev lists when needed).
It is the point where disaster responders and affected people can
connect directly to members of the OSM community ready to help.
In quieter times, the list helps HOT to prepare resources and improve
its response."

The hot@openstreetmap.org email list follows the OSM guidelines for
email list etiquette ( https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Etiquette)
and demanding that an individual justify and discuss their feelings
about the wider OSM community as it relates to diversity issues across
3 large OSM community email lists really seems to be outside of those
guidelines in respect assuming good faith, staying on list topic and
not calling people out directly.

There are good, constructive, ways to discuss the important issues
Dale raises but demanding Dale justify his feelings publicly on this
email lists is just not one of them.

Let us stay on the HOT mapping and response topic here please.

Regards,
blake

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 2:52 AM, john whelan  wrote:
> Could it be a different Dale Kunce?
>
> Could the president of HOT confirm that this twitter account isn't his?
>
> Many Thanks
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 18 December 2017 at 17:18, nicolas chavent 
> wrote:
>>
>> Dear HOT US Inc, OSMF members and HOT mailing list subscribers,
>>
>> I randomly ran into this tweet of Dale Kunce [1],
>> > "Community. The absolute best and worst things of OSM. Current mailing
>> > list is a viper pit of racism and misogyny. I don’t know it if will ever be
>> > a safe place. Even I’m thinking of unsubscribing."
>>
>> As both an OSM, OSMF, HOT US Inc member (and the president of the HOT US
>> Inc NGO), Dale shall find appropriate to develop his thoughts and provide
>> facts to explain how the November [2] and December [3] discussions on the
>> OpenStreetMap Foundation (OSMF) mailing-list (osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org)
>> translate into "racism and misogyny".
>> This would constitute a form of bare minimal respect ought to the members
>> of those communities.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Best,
>> Nicolas
>>
>>
>> [1]: https://twitter.com/calimapnerd/status/942596633283448832
>> [2]:
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2017-November/thread.html
>> [3]:
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2017-December/subject.html
>>
>> --
>> Nicolas Chavent
>> Les Libres Géographes
>> Projet OpenStreetMap (OSM)
>> Projet Espace OSM Francophone (EOF)
>> Projet GeOrchestra
>> Mobile (FR): +33 (0)6 52 40 78 20
>> Email: nicolas.chav...@gmail.com
>> Skype: c_nicolas
>> Twitter: nicolas_chavent
>>
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>>
>



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Re: [HOT] Dale Kunce (OSM, OSMF and HOT US Inc president) on [OSMF] mailing list: "a viper pit of racism and misogyny"; a statement which minimally calls for answers and facts

2017-12-18 Thread john whelan 
Could it be a different Dale Kunce?

Could the president of HOT confirm that this twitter account isn't his?

Many Thanks

Cheerio John

On 18 December 2017 at 17:18, nicolas chavent 
wrote:

> Dear HOT US Inc, OSMF members and HOT mailing list subscribers,
>
> I randomly ran into this tweet of Dale Kunce [1],
> *> "Community. The absolute best and worst things of OSM. Current mailing
> list is a viper pit of racism and misogyny. I don’t know it if will ever be
> a safe place. Even I’m thinking of unsubscribing."*
>
> As both an OSM, OSMF, HOT US Inc member (and the president of the HOT US
> Inc NGO), Dale shall find appropriate to develop his thoughts and provide
> facts to explain how the November [2] and December [3] discussions on the
> OpenStreetMap Foundation (OSMF) mailing-list (osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org)
> translate into "racism and misogyny".
> This would constitute a form of bare minimal respect ought to the members
> of those communities.
>
> Thanks,
> Best,
> Nicolas
>
>
> [1]: https://twitter.com/calimapnerd/status/942596633283448832
> [2]: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2017-
> November/thread.html
> [3]: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2017-
> December/subject.html
>
> --
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> Projet Espace OSM Francophone (EOF)
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[HOT] Dale Kunce (OSM, OSMF and HOT US Inc president) on [OSMF] mailing list: "a viper pit of racism and misogyny"; a statement which minimally calls for answers and facts

2017-12-18 Thread nicolas chavent 
Dear HOT US Inc, OSMF members and HOT mailing list subscribers,

I randomly ran into this tweet of Dale Kunce [1],
*> "Community. The absolute best and worst things of OSM. Current mailing
list is a viper pit of racism and misogyny. I don’t know it if will ever be
a safe place. Even I’m thinking of unsubscribing."*

As both an OSM, OSMF, HOT US Inc member (and the president of the HOT US
Inc NGO), Dale shall find appropriate to develop his thoughts and provide
facts to explain how the November [2] and December [3] discussions on the
OpenStreetMap Foundation (OSMF) mailing-list (osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org)
translate into "racism and misogyny".
This would constitute a form of bare minimal respect ought to the members
of those communities.

Thanks,
Best,
Nicolas


[1]: https://twitter.com/calimapnerd/status/942596633283448832
[2]:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2017-November/thread.html
[3]:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2017-December/subject.html

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Re: [HOT] Mapathon on December 18h

2017-12-18 Thread Rebecca Firth 
Hey Samaila,

Thanks very much for sharing the event, I hope some people can join you
remotely today mapping on your task!

Rebecca

On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Samaila Alio  wrote:

> Hello everybody,
>
> I have just sent you this e-mail to inform you that OSM Niger will
> organize a Mapathon
> on the occasion of the feast of 18 December or the proclamation of the
> Republic of Niger
> to map the city of Tahoua, which is the host city of this year's
> festivities.
> This is an own initiative of OSM Niger with the support of HOT via the
> Microgrant.
> Task link: https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/3802
> For those who can attest to their presence, the event will be held at the 
> Bluezone
> of Niamey
> 
>  near
> (Bolloré railway station) starting at 9:00 AM.
>
> Thank you in advance for your contribution.
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