Re: [HOT] Open Defecation Area proposal
Hi, While I'm not directly working on this at present, I do have friends who have been working on this issue a lot and have successfully moved several urban slum communities from OD (short for Open Defecation in this email) to using toilets. They too have been mapping ODAs in their projects as a starting point. I think marking ODAs on OpenStreetMap would be very useful. Here in India while we've had governments announcing drives to make cities, towns, villages open-defecation-free (ODF for short). We typically see just press statements like "we did it!" released without data support, and on ground there's still places where it's happening the next day. Mapping would be a great way for civil society to hold the government body accountable. Once you put a lat-long on an issue, objective verification is a straightforward process : Go there and smell (and watch your step!). And then once map locations are gathered, the government officials then have the burden of proof of verifying on a location to location basis. I would suggest to mark places as vicinities were OD happens. This could be as a polygon, or it could be as a point location and we specify that OD is happening within a X meters radius. I don't think precise spots (or "personal spots") are feasible. In my city, the green areas esp the ones where you can't build because it's a low-lying place that will flood in monsoons, are where OD happens, and if you're walking by in evenings just after sunset or early mornings you can easily tell from the smell. We generally do not find OD happening in a place without greenery - where that happens (like the infamous Mumbai train tracks) it's typically because there's no green areas left to go into. Then, there's abandoned plots where nature has taken over. Those could be marked with boundary. I liked Warin's inputs: > .. 'abandoned:open_defecation_area=yes' may be appropriate. And it would be of use to add the tag 'end_date=*' to signify the date of last use. - Addendum - I'd like to bring in some ecology aspect to this as well, just to explain how this is a complicated issue. All excreta on this planet is recyclable and manure by nature. Insects and microbes are superbly efficient at this job, as long as they have access to soil. Green patches continue to be ODAs precisely because they're quite good at recycling. I had mentioned about the smell at dawn/dusk : But it's not so much at all the other times of day, and the same places remain usable year after year - guess why? Because it's been "taken care of". But contrast this with the fact that where I live, what we're flushing through toilets into our sewage lines is typically mixing in with drainage from kitchens and washing machines (aka, detergents!) which then ensures that the stuff does not bio-degrade, and continues being a problem, only transported "far far away" so it becomes somebody else's problem. [Trigger warning] I think it's technically correct to say that in many places of the world, the people using toilets are causing more environmental damage (that includes me) than the people defecating in the open, plus they are outsourcing the problem and imposing it on people poorer than them.[/Trigger warning] I know there's a lot of other things at play here and of course I want us all to use toilets and I want these communities to move to using toilets, but I want to acknowledge the reality and not shut my eyes to it. I'm hopeful about solutions like eco-friendly toilets, compost toilets, lattice-walled pits that mix the stuff with the soil, those fantastic Australian reed beds, etc. Also, at least in my country's common culture there is a stigma attached to being seen defecating once you're grown up and so people who have to OD, prefer green/wooded areas that give them visual cover. Especially women. I'm sharing all this because there are crazy activists in our civil society circles who jump and say "Let's wipe out all the greenery, cement up the whole place and then there won't be any OD problem here!". Can you understand my horror at the prospect? That's only going to make the problem a lot worse. Anyways, I have faith that accurately mapping these areas will help in solving the issue holistically, because once it's brought up on a map, all sides can engage constructively instead of abstractly. - Apologies for the Addendum - -- Cheers, Nikhil VJ, Pune, India https://nikhilvj.co.in On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 4:33 PM wrote: > Send HOT mailing list submissions to > hot@openstreetmap.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > h
Re: [HOT] [OSM-talk] Mali
Hi, I hope making the subject line match the earlier threads brings this email under that thread rather than a separate one. Apologies if that happens. I'm not very involved in organising, am also a beginner (user:Answerquest <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Answerquest>). Just slipping in a suggestion: It seems many of the tasks and issues with learning, teaching mapping, quality control being discussed in this mailing list belong more to the tasks.teachosm.org platform rather than the HOT platform. I'm organiser of a few tasks on teachosm, and there we are able to really focus on keeping a good grip on the mappers. The website name itself is a solid statement that they are learning the ropes and have to be careful. Also there the urgency aspect does not apply - "if it takes long then let it take long but let's do it right" is our ethos there. So my suggestion is to move certain tasks out from HOT - which was created as I understand for more urgent and time-critical matters (Pls correct me if wrong) - and over to tasks.teachosm.org . I don't know right now technically how one may do that. Of course, I don't know fully about the urgency / non-urgency state of the tasks on HOT that you're all talking about, so I may be wrong on this. You can reach out to this email address: info [at] teachosm [dot] org - people there were very helpful and supportive for us. -- Cheers, Nikhil VJ, Pune, India PS: Removing the earlier threads as it's a mess at my end - I'm subscribed in digest mode. Apologies for loss of flow. > > ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] tasks.openstreetmap.in is down
Hello, Apologies if this is a repeat post.. I'm not seeing these mailing lists often. The India HOT Tasking Manager site http://tasks.openstreetmap.in is not working when we try to login. Getting a generic error message > "The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request." And at some places, advertisement popups are spawning, there might be some malware scripts at play. A fellow mapper who had been participating in our project <http://tasks.openstreetmap.in/project/89> there just wrote to me about it. Other tasking manager sites I checked are up and running properly. -- Cheers, Nikhil VJ +91-966-583-1250 Pune, India Website <http://nikhilvj.co.in> DataMeet Pune chapter <https://datameet-pune.github.io/> Self-designed learner at Swaraj University <http://www.swarajuniversity.org> Payment / Contribute <https://nikhilvj.benow.in/pay> ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Fwd: Tasking Manager : map tiles not loading at lower zooms
Ok.. How about reverting to the default OSM tileset till the issue is resolved?
http://{s}.tile.openstreetmap.org/{z}/{x}/{y}.png
On 10/29/17, Philippe Verdy wrote:
> There's an overload problem on the tile renderer and the tiles wanted are
> missing in the server front caches (which are also overloaded or have
> problems connecting to the renderers for several of the styles renderered).
> Even some static images for the UI are not loading. It looks there's a
> connectivity network problem between front caches and background image
> servers.
>
> 2017-10-29 15:23 GMT+01:00 Nikhil VJ :
>
>> Hello, cross-posting this to the mailing list as I just joined now:
>>
>> We're planning a mapping activity for rural roads in Pune district in
>> India.
>> Our project is here:
>> http://tasks.openstreetmap.in/project/89
>> (Still in draft mode)
>>
>> We are facing an issue in the Tasking Manager interface : Map tiles are
>> not loading beyond country zoom level. The browser console shows errors.
>>
>> Screenshots of the interface and error messages:
>> At 50km scale: https://i.imgur.com/1JFm74T.png
>> At 20km scale: https://i.imgur.com/UhSrAiQ.png
>> Console errors : https://i.imgur.com/dLch0Hy.png
>>
>> The task manager is not loading regular OSM tiles : here are a couple of
>> error'd URLs:
>> http://tile-a.openstreetmap.fr/hot/8/180/114.png
>> http://tile-c.openstreetmap.fr/hot/8/179/114.png
>>
>> Since it appears to be a HOT-specific tile source, it's possible that
>> those areas might not have been provisioned or something.
>>
>> Is there something we could do here? In the Edit mode there is an
>> "Imagery" tab but I have not been able to get anything through that.
>>
>> Why we need to see the map behind our shapes/grid : We want to start with
>> the shapes that have roads marked and work our way from there, so that we
>> can connect to existing road network rather than making orphaned paths.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Nikhil VJ
>> +91-966-583-1250
>> Pune, India
>> DataMeet Pune chapter <https://datameet-pune.github.io/>
>> Self-designed learner at Swaraj University <http://www.swarajuniversity.o
>> rg>
>> Blog <http://nikhilsheth.blogspot.in>
>> Contribute <https://www.instamojo.com/@nikhilvj/>
>>
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Cheers,
Nikhil VJ
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Pune, India
DataMeet Pune chapter <https://datameet-pune.github.io/>
Self-designed learner at Swaraj University <http://www.swarajuniversity.org>
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[HOT] Fwd: Tasking Manager : map tiles not loading at lower zooms
Hello, cross-posting this to the mailing list as I just joined now: We're planning a mapping activity for rural roads in Pune district in India. Our project is here: http://tasks.openstreetmap.in/project/89 (Still in draft mode) We are facing an issue in the Tasking Manager interface : Map tiles are not loading beyond country zoom level. The browser console shows errors. Screenshots of the interface and error messages: At 50km scale: https://i.imgur.com/1JFm74T.png At 20km scale: https://i.imgur.com/UhSrAiQ.png Console errors : https://i.imgur.com/dLch0Hy.png The task manager is not loading regular OSM tiles : here are a couple of error'd URLs: http://tile-a.openstreetmap.fr/hot/8/180/114.png http://tile-c.openstreetmap.fr/hot/8/179/114.png Since it appears to be a HOT-specific tile source, it's possible that those areas might not have been provisioned or something. Is there something we could do here? In the Edit mode there is an "Imagery" tab but I have not been able to get anything through that. Why we need to see the map behind our shapes/grid : We want to start with the shapes that have roads marked and work our way from there, so that we can connect to existing road network rather than making orphaned paths. -- Cheers, Nikhil VJ +91-966-583-1250 Pune, India DataMeet Pune chapter <https://datameet-pune.github.io/> Self-designed learner at Swaraj University <http://www.swarajuniversity.org> Blog <http://nikhilsheth.blogspot.in> Contribute <https://www.instamojo.com/@nikhilvj/> ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
