Re: [HOT] Problem with OSM HOT Tasks

[Phil (The Geek) Wyatt]

I think its definitely a Tasking Manager issue. I would log an issue here

 

https://github.com/hotosm/tasking-manager/issues

 

I think by default that label appears at the centroid of the polygon as well
as the nodes in the object (which is not too bad for squares). Maybe it just
needs to be at the centroid

 

Cheers - Phil

 

From: Peter Chin [mailto:peter.c...@redcross.ca] 
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 9:09 AM
To: hot@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [HOT] Problem with OSM HOT Tasks

 

Hi folks,

 

I'm looking for some technical advice here. We were doing a Missing Maps
mapping event here in Vancouver, Canada last week, and I noticed a strange
behaviour when mapping in the iD editor. When I choose a square that has
curved boundaries such as a boundary along a river, the OSM tasking manager
square shows the warning inside the task area.  The "Do not edit outside of
the coloured area" warning message should be displayed outside the task
area.  Here is a screen capture of the problem:
https://i.imgur.com/eEYl3sl.jpg

 

Also, here are some HOT task examples where the warning message is inside
the task area, where it shouldn't be (choose Validate and then start iD
editor to see these):

https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4032?task=73

https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4032?task=65

 

Does anyone know if I should submit this as an issue to the iD editor GitHub
repository, or is this a bug in HOT Tasking Manager?  When I try these tasks
in JOSM, JOSM is not showing the pink task boundaries.  Thanks.

 

 

 

Peter Chin

Volunteer

Disaster Management, Western Zone

Canadian Red Cross | Croix-Rouge canadienne

E-mail: peter.c...@redcross.ca

 

 

 

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Re: [HOT] [Osmf-talk] Code of Conduct Reminder

[Phil (The Geek) Wyatt]

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Etiquette

 

From: Mikel Maron [mailto:mikel.ma...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 5:21 AM
To: Dale Kunce; hot; OSMF Talk; nicolas chavent
Subject: Re: [HOT] [Osmf-talk] Code of Conduct Reminder

 

Sure, a simple clarification. The OSMF hosted mailing lists fall under the 
etiquette and moderation guidelines at 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Etiquette. The HOT Code of Conduct applies 
to different domains and set of actors, most especially Voting Members of HOT. 

 

* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron

 

 

On Thursday, December 14, 2017, 12:43:16 PM EST, nicolas chavent 
 wrote: 

 

 

Dear all HOT Us Inc members, subscribers of the hot at openstreetmap 
mailing-list and OSMF members, 

There's is something weird in Dale Kunce (HOT US Inc President and OSMF member) 
in this email announcing that the HOT US Inc Code of Conduct https://www. 
 hotosm.org/hot_ code_of_conduct 
will be enforced on the hot at openstreetmap mailing-list (an OpenStreetMap 
mailing list to discuss uses of OSM in the humanitarian and development sectors 
[1]) which like other OpenStreetMap thematic mailing lists [2] (software 
development, tagging etc ...) and other discussions fora (wiki, forum etc) 
belong to the commons of the OpenStreetMap project and is regulated via the 
OSMF and the OSM members and is yet not subject to agreed upon and enforced CoC 
as reminded by the last OSMF election discussions [3]. 

It would be beneficial for the regulations of the OpenStreetMap commons, that 
the President of HOT US Inc refrain from enforcing his own organization's 
conversational policy and procedures (which has never been voted by the HOT US 
Inc membership) over an OSM mailing list and narrow his focus and actions on 
the resources of his own organizations (membership mailing list, tools etc) or 
the conversations of the HOT US Inc membership. 

It would also be beneficial to assess and look at the moderation of the hot at 
openstreetmap mailing-list from a non HOT US Inc only perspective, shall we 
want this list to be the mailing list of anyone OpenStreeMap members (and not 
yet members) interested into the use of OpenStreetMap diversified and 
decentralized and not the list of only-one organization of the OpenStreetMap 
ecosystem active across the humanitarian and development sectors.   

 

Best, 

Nicolas

 

[1]: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[2]: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
[3]: 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2017-December/subject.html

 

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 7:38 PM, Dale Kunce  wrote:

Earlier today someone on this list made some rude and disparaging remarks about 
the iD developers. This is not the first time an outside supporting group has 
been attacked by members of this list. Your words have meaning. Your words can 
have far greater impact than you believe. One individual, not elected, can have 
a huge negative impact that directly affects HOT's mission. 

 

One of HOT's biggest fans and supporters has unsubscribed from this list, 
rightly so, because of these attacks. The individual was and is key to helping 
the OSM community with important technology tools that we need to map better.

 

I would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone of the Code of Conduct 
https://www.hotosm.org/hot_ code_of_conduct 
 . It will be enforced and 
offenders will be asked to leave our community if you cannot help us form a 
positive welcoming community. The Code of Conduct is not for some special group 
to enforce the power of a strong CoC lies with the community to enforce good 
positive communication norms.

 

Thanks


 

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Re: [HOT] Buildings and HOT's reputation in OSM

[Phil (The Geek) Wyatt]

Hi John,

 

Seems to be a few new issues here but I will have a go at them.

 

· I have never been to a mapathon so can't comment on anything to do 
with them

· As I understand it, Missing Maps is a different organisation that 
just uses the HOT tasking manager. Their general mandate seems to be to work 
with local communities. If they are not, then you probably need to take that up 
with them (or their participating organisations). I have only worked on their 
projects via the HOT tasking manager

· Do you have coding experience that can help with the ID building tool?

· I still think some alert to save frequently (regardless of tile lock 
time) would be a better solution than extending tile lock time. That might 
simply mean that more objects have been mapped over a longer period and the 
problem compounds.

· Correcting buildings when validating/shortage of validators? OK if 
this is unlikely to be the solution then we are back to better tools for 
initial digitising. Can you help with coding?

· Wasn't aware of any scoring for validated tiles.

 

Cheers - Phil

 

From: john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 11:07 AM
To: Phil (The Geek) Wyatt
Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [HOT] Buildings and HOT's reputation in OSM

 

I think the London mapperthons expect 30% of their attendees to return.  So 
unfortunately 50% can be expected to be "disposable" mappers and they don't 
search out the information as you do.  If we can keep their interest a bit 
longer they make fewer mistakes.  So one thing might be to see what we can do 
to help them return more than once.

 

There are two sides to HOT, one is the disaster side and I think that side 
needs the very organised approach to get things done quickly.  The other side 
is the "missing maps" side and that is where I think we could do better in 
involving the locals. Generally speaking mappers feel more commitment and 
involvement mapping locally.  There are some projects run out of Africa and its 
interesting to see the project managers concerned develop their skill sets over 
time. The first projects can be really not well thought out but they learn by 
experience.  OSM in general likes to see local mappers making decisions about 
imports etc.  Unless we can develop the mapping skills of the locals they 
aren't going to feel involved and I think that is important.  It's when you see 
the cafes and other POIs sneaking on to the map that you can be reasonably 
certain that there are locals getting involved and that is where HOT can get a 
few brownie points and at the moment I think it needs every one it can get.  
This is politics with a small p.

 

New mappers first time mapping using iD for buildings you might be lucky to see 
twenty buildings.  Give them a building_tool and you'll get a lot more out of 
them.  When they map the tile is locked for two hours.  At the end of that time 
the tile becomes available again to be mapped.  The first mapper may not have 
uploaded their buildings.  A second mapper now maps the same tile and when they 
both upload that is when I think we get the double mapping which is a waste of 
mapper time and not only that but it screws up calculations about how many 
buildings there are.  With a four hour lock we stand a much better chance that 
two mappers will not map the same tile at the same time.  Even uploading every 
thirty minutes would reduce the number of double mappings.

 

Correcting buildings when validating?  It takes about three times longer to 
correct a badly mapped building than it does to map it from scratch with JOSM 
and the building_tool.  In Nepal 70% of the mappers mapped once.  Their 
building mapping was exceptionally poor.  When faced with large numbers of 
poorly mapped buildings it seems difficult to find validators who are motivated 
enough to go in and fix the problems.  I'm not one of them.  If the mappers are 
only going to map once any feedback will be ignored.  We know that giving 
feedback within 24 hrs motivates mappers and catches early errors so we get 
better quality work but we don't have the validators available to do this.  
Validation works best if its done at the start of a project as the project 
progresses.  Validating three month old work is much more work, bad habits will 
have set in.  Instead of problem avoid its problem correct and that takes more 
validation effort.

 

TM3 hopefully will improve this by giving a score for tiles validated. 

 

Cheerio John

 

On 9 December 2017 at 18:28, Phil (The Geek) Wyatt <p...@wyatt-family.com> 
wrote:

Hi John,

 

I have no formal role in HOT, just a casual OSM mapper so all these comments 
are from that perspective. I have participated in HOT projects via their 
tasking manager. I am also not a coder but am aware of the process involved in 
respect of the ID Editor and Tasking Manager development.

 

I d

Re: [HOT] Buildings and HOT's reputation in OSM

[Phil (The Geek) Wyatt]

Hi John,

 

I have no formal role in HOT, just a casual OSM mapper so all these comments 
are from that perspective. I have participated in HOT projects via their 
tasking manager. I am also not a coder but am aware of the process involved in 
respect of the ID Editor and Tasking Manager development.

 

I don't think building issues are restricted to HOT projects. Indeed when I 
first started mapping in my own neighbourhood I didnt really have a clue on how 
to map buildings but over time I found videos, joined mailing lists, found 
LearnOSM, found tasking managers across the globe and generally became a better 
mapper. At each step I learnt more and hopefully became a better mapper. I 
still don't do any validation as I don't consider myself experienced enough in 
JOSM and lots of the other validation tools. I have participated in some map 
roulette challenges.

 

As you have indicated in previous emails, a building tool in ID may stop some 
of the issues you mention and from my investigation this is actually underway 
already (and has been for some time). Any assistance you can provide would be 
appreciated by everyone involved.

 

I will try and answer specific points in your email from my personal 
perspective.

 

· I think all buildings should be polygons rather than points. Better 
to teach people how to map as polygons rather than expect another mapper to 
replace a point with a polygon at some time in the future (if ever).

· Incorrectly mapped building - I would always try and correct the 
error if I had the required skills. If there were many on the tile in a tasking 
manager project that were poorly mapped I suspect I would invalidate the tile 
if I could not fix them. I would also expect some details from the validator, 
maybe with guidance on where good instructions are for splitting the building 
and maintaining any past history on the object.

· Likewise for buildings 50% greater than actual - I would do the same 
as above - guide the mapper on what they have done wrong and lead them to 
better resources.

· Buildings mapped twice. I am on a crappy Australian fibre to the node 
connection that regularly crashes so I save regularly (20 - 30 objects). I dont 
quite understand your comment that a four hour tile lock limit would eliminate 
this problem - seems completely wrong to me. I would certainly be saving more 
frequently than every 4 hours. Maybe a reminder popup, after 100 objects, might 
be a better solution to ensure folks are regularly saving.

· I don't agree with the view of HOT that "We are the professionals and 
we know best". Having lurked on the HOT slack channels I have seen how they 
size up disasters, deal with local OSM groups and other disaster relief 
organisations before embarking on projects. Indeed on a few occasions they have 
not undertaken any projects when the local communities have indicated they have 
the situation in hand. In those cases they simply offer support if required or 
use their communication channels to direct mappers to the other task managers 
(if desired). There are regular references to local OSM groups prior to project 
commencement.

· As for what is acceptable mapping for a building. The best we can 
hope for is improving tools, educating mappers, more validation tools plus 
willing volunteers (or dare I say it, paid workers) to keep an eye on things 
and help the community make OSM an always improving product.

 

Volunteer gathered information is a bit of a dark art at the best of times and 
many folks/governments are still coming to grips with how it all works and how 
beneficial it can be. Is it perfect...not really, can it be improved...always. 
I think the HOT (and other) tasking managers and the ID editor are always 
improving with better task details, more links to resources etc. I think it's 
up to all of us to contribute in any way we can and put forward ideas, time, 
funds or expertise to make things better.

 

I wasn't aware of the OSMF mailing list so I will join that as well and read up 
what has been happening.

 

Cheers - Phil

 

 

From: john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 7:00 AM
To: hot@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [HOT] Buildings and HOT's reputation in OSM

 

Recently there has been some discussion of HOT's input into OpenStreetMap in 
the OSMF mailing list.

 

Perhaps one of the problem areas is mapping that is less than ideal.

 

Basically HOT mainly maps highways, landuse=residential and buildings.

 

These shouldn't be difficult to map correctly.

 

Buildings appear to be the most problematic.

 

I think we need to think about why we are mapping them.  Is node good enough?  
There would be less room for mistakes.

 

If we need outlines and there good reasons why an outline is more valuable than 
a node then we need to define what is acceptable.  Or do we even care?  and its 
the do we even care part that is perceived to 

Re: [HOT] Export Tool 3.0 LIVE

[Phil (The Geek) Wyatt]

I just tried logging in but am yet to receive the confirmation email

 

Cheers - Phil

 

From: Mhairi O'Hara [mailto:mhairi.oh...@hotosm.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 12:53 PM
To: HOT; OSM Talk
Subject: [HOT] Export Tool 3.0 LIVE

 

Version 3.0 Launched

 

Inline image 1

 

Version 3 of the Export Tool officially LAUNCHED on 18th September 2017. The 
new version is now hosted at export.hotosm.org, with Version 2 available at 
old-export.hotosm.org until mid November 2017, when it will be decommissioned . 

 

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Re: [HOT] Huracán Irma

[Phil (The Geek) Wyatt]

Quite a few projects up and running at

 

http://tasks.hotosm.org/?sort_by=priority 
 
=asc=Irma

 

Cheers - Phil

 

From: Miriam Mapanauta [mailto:mapana...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 11:17 AM
To: hot
Subject: [HOT] Huracán Irma

 

Hi hotties, 

 

I hope you are doing well, is there any Mapping plan or activation for helping 
people in Irma's pad?

 

Thanks,

 

Miriam

 

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Re: [HOT] HA/DR geospatial products

[Phil (The Geek) Wyatt]

Hi Dion,

 

If you get a chance before the exercise, I would suggest having a read of the 
book "digital humanitarians  ". It 
details, amongst other things, how events are now using a lot more social media 
and citizen data in emergencies. This can take the form of tweets, facebook 
posts, images, crowd sourced mapping on OSM and platforms like Tomnod as well 
as locally sourced drone photography. Lots of this is outside the 'normal 
workflows' for GIS specialists. It might be hard to simulate in an exercise but 
there is enough within those few headings to take some GIS folks well out of 
their usual comfort zone. Its inspiring stuff!

 

Cheers - Phil

 

From: Dion Houston [mailto:dionhous...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 7:32 AM
To: hot@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [HOT] HA/DR geospatial products

 

All,

 

It’s been a while since I posted.  I’m a U.S. Army officer in the 130th 
Engineer Brigade in Hawaii.  As our area of responsibility (the Pacific) 
annually has many disasters, we exercise disaster relief pretty regularly.  For 
Intelligence / Geospatial we specifically hold an exercise PERSPICUOUS PROVIDER 
that uses a Tsunami disaster relief scenario.

 

I have a team of GIS analysts, and I’m looking to have them create products 
during the exercise that mirror closely things that relief workers on the 
ground would find useful.  I have a rough idea, but since many of you have 
actually been “boots on the ground” I was wondering if you could send me 
example products or ideas.  I regularly see 1:world level products, but I’m 
specifically looking to produce things at the local relief team level.

 

This scenario is fictional, but in real life I am developing a capability where 
I deploy an analyst along with a U.S. assessment team that our military 
regularly sends out.  This capability is based around GeoSHAPE (server) and 
ArcGIS/QGIS/HOT (client side).  I think it would be a significant value add, 
and having a better feel for what would be useful to provide will greatly 
enhance my ability to make this happen.

 

Thanks in advance.  This email is fine, or my official email is 
dion.a.houston@mail.mil.

 

Thanks!

 

Dion

 

 

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Re: [HOT] Mapping buildings something to think about

[Phil (The Geek) Wyatt]

Hi Folks,

 

One things for sure - you should never be able to upload anything from ID that 
is untagged. As for buildings I use both JOSM and ID. I think it just requires 
good instructions for either system. You get into a rhythm with either system 
so for me it comes back to good instruction as early as possible. I know some 
of my first attempts were hopeless as I didn't read anything, just plugged 
away. Hopefully I have gone back and corrected most.

 

Cheers - Phil - relative newbie (tastrax)

 

From: Jo [mailto:winfi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 7:33 PM
To: Shawn K. Quinn
Cc: hot
Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping buildings something to think about

 

Maybe we're explaining it to them wrong, somehow.

 

It's more likely that it's too easy to do it wrong though. These issues keep 
coming back and haunt us.

 

Anyway, I went in and tried it myself, once more.

 

'3' (to draw an area, I like keyboard shortcuts)

4 mouse clicks + enter or 5 mouse clicks, depending if you close the shape or 
not.

 

Pressing 's' along the way here has different outcomes. That's not the way to 
go.

 

Pressing enter gives back the dialog to turn it into a building (if you had 
mapped a building before). That's good.

Only now, the mapper should press 's' before moving on.

 

Knowing myself, I would also forget about that.

 

In JOSM I press 'b', then 3 mouse clicks and I have a building. Tagged and 
squared the way it should be.

 

If it's  L-shaped, I press 'x', double click on a side and extrude a part of it.

 

If I somehow got it wrong, I press 'w', move the nodes to the corners, then 
press 'q'. That's also what I do/did to fix all those unsquared buildings when 
validating tasks.

 

Polyglot

 

2017-04-11 7:46 GMT+02:00 Shawn K. Quinn :

On 04/11/2017 12:23 AM, Dale Kunce wrote:
> All this is a reminder to everyone to keep the language and intent of
> statements in a respectful manner. The iD developers and mainteners work
> very hard to manage the project and do a very good job. I know some of
> you have frustrations but please be respectful of others time and
> efforts as well.

I have a saying (from the would-be radio/TV producer in me): Sometimes
bleep happens, and sometimes it happens and there's no bleep.

I can understand the frustration from having to clean up "iD droppings"
(for lack of a better term). I have lost count of the number of slopped
down building outlines that aren't even close to the rectangular truth
on the ground (this is normal OSM i.e. non-HOT mapping). I've managed to
keep my changeset comments profanity-free despite my frustration, which
at times has been a challenge. That said it's hard for me to blame the
original poster for using that word in that context, I probably would
have said it the same way.

Admittedly some of the blame has to fall on the users for not knowing
how to use iD properly. It is possible to tag buildings correctly and
square them up to 90° angles with iD. I've done it before.

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Re: [HOT] Volunteer Opportunity w/ AmCross

[Phil (The Geek) Wyatt]

try - daniel.jos...@redcross.org - that should get to him

 

From: Stephen Mather [mailto:mather.step...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Rachel Levine
Cc: hot@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [HOT] Volunteer Opportunity w/ AmCross

 

Hi Rachel, 

 

It looks like there might be a typo with Daniel's email here.

 

 

Cheers,

Best,

Steve

 


On Mar 21, 2017, at 11:52 AM, Rachel Levine  wrote:

Hi All,

Know drones? Interested in Red Cross humanitarian work? We're looking for a 
volunteer to join us on an upcoming trip to the Philipines! Dates TBD but will 
be 2-3 weeks in April with remote follow up.  Please email 
rachel.lev...@redcross.org or daniel.jos...@redcross.org with any questions.  

Best,

Rachel

 

Please check out this link for more info: 

https://github.com/AmericanRedCross/jobs/blob/master/uav-volunteer.md

 

To Apply: 

Please create an account and submit your application here:

https://volunteerconnection.redcross.org/?nd=vms_volunteer_opportunity_detail 

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Re: [HOT] Help fight malaria with some OSM validation!

[Phil (The Geek) Wyatt]

Thanks Folks - I get the tiles now. I suspect I just wasnt zoomed in enough.

 

Cheers - Phil

 

From: john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 11:19 AM
To: Russell Deffner
Cc: hot
Subject: Re: [HOT] Help fight malaria with some OSM validation!

 

If you zoom in then you see the tiles.  There are a large number of tiles 
spread out so when you first look at the project you don't see them.

Ta

Cheerio John

 

On 18 December 2016 at 18:59, Russell Deffner <russell.deff...@hotosm.org> 
wrote:

I’m not sure what’s causing that, on one of my machines I did get just the 
project boundaries but not the task ‘squares’; they do come up if you take a 
random task.

=Russ

 

From: Kevin Bullock [mailto:kbull...@digitalglobe.com] 
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:54 PM
To: hot
Cc: Russell Deffner; john whelan
Subject: Re: [HOT] Help fight malaria with some OSM validation!

 

John, Phil - it’s not a rectangular grid, but it is there, I can confirm I can 
see it. Try taking a random task and you should see it as well.  

 

Kevin

 

 

On Dec 18, 2016, at 4:19 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

I'm still not seeing a grid.

Cheerio John

 

On 18 December 2016 at 13:24, Russell Deffner <russell.deff...@hotosm.org> 
wrote:

Hi Phil, sorry for the delayed reply. It’s a large area so it might take a 
moment to load; it’s also a bit different from our traditional projects as 
we’re pre-identifying the populated places so the grid isn’t just blanketed 
across the area but narrowed in where there are structures. Let me know if 
you’re still having issues or have other questions.

 

Thanks,

=Russ

 

From: Phil (The Geek) Wyatt [mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com] 
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:58 PM
To: 'Russell Deffner'; 'hot'
Subject: RE: [HOT] Help fight malaria with some OSM validation!

 

I am not seeing any grid on that project. I will check again later.

 

Cheers - Phil

 

From: Russell Deffner [mailto:russell.deff...@hotosm.org] 
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 2:53 AM
To: hot
Subject: [HOT] Help fight malaria with some OSM validation!

 

Hi everyone,

 

HOT and DigitalGlobe are teaming up to support the Clinton Health Access 
Initiative’s fight against malaria (more info to come).  Our first area of 
interest is northern Botswana.  The area has been mapped before but much of 
that mapping was done and hasn’t been updated in several years.  So this will 
be much more validation than raw mapping.

 

If you have some time this weekend, we would appreciate you pitching-in on 
http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2396 

 

Thank You!

=Russ

 

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Re: [HOT] Help fight malaria with some OSM validation!

[Phil (The Geek) Wyatt]

I am not seeing any grid on that project. I will check again later.

 

Cheers - Phil

 

From: Russell Deffner [mailto:russell.deff...@hotosm.org] 
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 2:53 AM
To: hot
Subject: [HOT] Help fight malaria with some OSM validation!

 

Hi everyone,

 

HOT and DigitalGlobe are teaming up to support the Clinton Health Access
Initiative's fight against malaria (more info to come).  Our first area of
interest is northern Botswana.  The area has been mapped before but much of
that mapping was done and hasn't been updated in several years.  So this
will be much more validation than raw mapping.

 

If you have some time this weekend, we would appreciate you pitching-in on
http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2396 

 

Thank You!

=Russ

 

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Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

[Phil (The Geek) Wyatt]

"Having said that, I'd like to punt this back to Phil and Sev as I speak to 
people in the field, who use the data, on a regular basis. Data quality, so 
far, has almost never come up as an issue. Do you guys have different 
experience or feedback from field teams? It would be useful to know specifics 
if you have.

Cheers, Pete

Hi Pete,

Despite being a mapper for Red Cross, all my work is in Australia where I 
generally have access to relatively high quality Government spatial data. My 
interest in OSM/HOT is in support of international projects and where possible 
I would love to see the best quality digitising regardless of who is doing the 
work.

I know I made mistakes as a newbie as I just dived in and had a go (typical 
Aussie approach!) and I suspect many first time mappers do just that, despite 
there now being good tutorials around on many aspects of ID/JOSM Editor. Slowly 
I found more details and have since gone back to some areas I mapped originally 
to square up buildings and do other tidying. I also started mapping in my local 
area until I found the HOT site so I had some experience when diving into the 
humanitarian work.

I suspect you are right that any mapping is better than none for many 
humanitarian projects and initial quality issues are probably overlooked but we 
should endeavour to always improve. Leaving the least number of 'errors' for 
the locals to clean up is a worthy goal.

A more refined web interface where actual projects are further down the page 
with the initial splash screen asking folks to complete some minimal training 
does not seem that onerous to me. Even a tabbed interface, to split off harder 
tasks with specific notes in the header regarding the type of work that will be 
involved, would make it easier to explain levels of tasks and preferred 
competencies.

/ New mappers \ / Harder Tasks \ /Complex Tasks \ / Validation \

New mappers.

Tasks in this group are ideal for new mappers using the ID interface.  Check 
out the videos below to understand how best to undertake the mapping and how 
the data is used by requesting organisations. After the videos, select a task 
from the projects below. There will be more specific instructions under each 
task.

Adding Roads Video

 

Mapping Residential Boundaries Video

 

Task 1

Task2

Task 3

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I hope these thoughts are useful and I am happy to help out testing any new 
interface. I am not a coder but work with lots of volunteers so have a fair 
idea how they think and work.

 

Cheers - Phil

 

Volunteer Mapper (GISMO) -   Red 
Cross,   Wildcare Volunteer

 

 

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Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

[Phil (The Geek) Wyatt]

Hi Folks,

 

I am a retired long time map user, occasional mapper (in QGIS, Mapinfo) and 
supporter of the OSM mapping project. It seems to me that the issue of poor 
mapping, especially for HOT projects, is coming up on such a regular basis that 
it's time to consider some mandatory training for users before they get to map 
under the HOT task manager. I don't think this would be too difficult for most 
volunteers and it could ensure that at least a certain level of competency is 
attained before being exposed to complex tasks. If people know that in the 
first place then they can make a choice as to whether they commence or continue 
to map.

 

I have no idea how this could be accomplished as I know little of the linkages 
between OSM and the HOT Task Manager, but restricting HOT tasks to those with 
some defined training could improve the results.

 

Let's say as a minimum you train folks on roads and residential area polygons - 
that might be level 1 (ID Editor)

Level 2 could be after training for buildings, tracks, paths (ID or JOSM)

Level 3 for validation (JOSM)

 

In this way HOT tasks simply get assigned at each level and you know you have 
the right people doing the tasks at hand. The task manager could also only 
highlight jobs at their assigned level until they do the next level training.

 

You might even consider, as part of validation, dropping people from a higher 
level to a lower level if they continually fail to produce results at the 
desired consistency.

 

Just my thoughts as a casual mapper.

 

 

Cheers - Phil

 

  Thin Green Line Supporter, Volunteer Mapper 
(GISMO) -   Red Cross 

 

 

From: Severin Menard [mailto:severin.men...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 4:34 AM
To: hot@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

 

The edits on hotosm.org job #2228   have 
started and now happens what I feared. There is no mention of what are the 
necessary skills and newbies are coming with a lot of enthusiasm but with 
almost no OSM experience. A quick analysis of the first 29 contributors shows 
that 20 of them have created their OSM account less than one month ago. Some 
did it yesterday or today. Wow. 

The result of that : obviously, crappy edits are coming, spoiling what we have 
been doing over the last few days : now we have building as nodes where shapes 
are totally visible, un-squared bad shaped buildings and the main landuse area 
is self-cutting in various places (see there 
 ). 

Nothing new under the sun : it was already the case for Haiti EarthQuake 2010. 
Quite a pity that six years after, despite the OSM tools have improved a lot, 
it remains the same. It is though quite simple to fix the most part of it: 
do-not-invite-newcomers-to-map-over-complex-crisis-contexts.

I guess some will argue that the OSM newcomers are people of good will and that 
they just want to help and that they my feel offended/discouraged. Of course 
their intentions are high and yes they may feel a bit hurt. But this is really 
a classic in humanitarian response: people with the best intentions in the 
world may not fit for it, just because they are not experienced yet. 

 

Mapping in OSM in crisis response is not an exciting one-shot hobby : it does 
have its learning curve and it is key to learn how to map correctly before 
being dropped over complex humanitarian contexts. This is why I mentioned three 
sets of necessary skills for the jobs I created these last days on 
http://taches.francophonelibre.org. And the beginner mappers who joined the job 
that fitted for beginners are people that already have a few months of OSM 
experience, not newcomers. Newcomers should be driven over non urgent fields.

If someone is not interested to learn first in not a mass media covered crisis 
context : this is not a problem, it is actually a good way to see real 
motivations. I personally prefer to get one mapper that will become a huge, 
excellent contributor, 3-4 more occasional but still producing neat data, than 
to lose 10 that would create crappy objects and just leave forever afterwards 
anyway. 

 

I guess the resulting need of duplicating the number of necessary edits (crappy 
ones then corrections) to get a clean data is a rather a good way to grow the 
number of total contributors and the number of total edits created through the 
# of the HOT TM instance that seems to be so important for the board of HOT US 
Inc (two current directors have contacted me for this purpose) to make 
communication and raise funds from the figures. But what is at stake here is to 
provide good baseline data for humanitarian response, not distorted metrics.

Séverin

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Re: [HOT] fort mcmurry

[Phil (The Geek) Wyatt]

There is also a TOMNOD campaign on at the moment that folks might like to help 
with.

 

http://www.tomnod.com/

 

From: Heather Leson [mailto:heatherle...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, 8 May 2016 3:27 PM
To: Mike Dupont
Cc: HOT@OSM (Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team)
Subject: Re: [HOT] fort mcmurry

 

Hi Mike

There are some folks talking on the OSM Talk ca mailing list about actions and 
imagery. The governments are curious about digital volunteers and are 
coordinating via a group called Canvost (a Canadian volunteer network). I've 
connected them to talk-ca.

At the moment the fire is moving fast and satellite imagery might not be 
helpful until after it is out.

On a personal note, family (cousins) finally got out. Rebuilding will take time 
and will need all hands. Even if it is not a HOT activation (I defer to Hotties 
in Canada as I live in Qatar.) There will be a need for post-disaster OSM maps. 

Thanks again

Heather

Heather

On 8 May 2016 06:01, "Mike Dupont"  wrote:

Howdy, I would think that canada is going to need some work after this blaze,

look at some of these sat photos there is not much left I think. 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/36212516
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/fort-mcmurray-satellite-images



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Re: [HOT] QGIS and OSM and..

[Phil (The Geek) Wyatt]

 

 

From: Springfield Harrison [mailto:stellar...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, 11 May 2015 3:43 PM
To: Michael; 'HOT'
Subject: Re: [HOT] QGIS and OSM and..

 

Hello Michael,

Thanks for your reply.

So you are confirming that downloading OSM data through JSOM is a waste of
time?  I wish I had known this earlier.  I was advised that it would
download all of Nepal but that doesn't seem to be the case.

 

JOSM is really just an editor for doing small area changes to OSM data - its
not designed for country editing. QGIS however, can download any area in the
world (subject to your bandwidth and hard disc size)



I tried the open street map data link that you provided.  It shows some
promise but I haven't looked at the data yet.  [Just looked at some of those
shapefiles, they do load and display in QGIS.  However, when I tried to
change the symbology for the helipads, they all disappeared.  WTF?]

 

OK - thats likely a QGIS issue - nothing to do with OSM



I also stumbled upon the HOT Export site.  It is very convoluted but also
shows promise once one figures out the myriad of options.  Creating presets
would be helped enormously if there were drop-down lists for the keys and
their values.  My last attempt here failed, probably due to bad
capitalization or some such.  It looks like a dog's breakfast.

Now I see your reference to Overpass Turbo, hopefully not another blind
alley.  Simply downloading data in OSM is anything but streamlined.  The
key/value concept seems to complicate things considerably.  What is the
benefit of that system?

I have fired up Overpass Turbo.  Used the wizard to create and run a query
but the export options only offers some less than useful choices.  GPX and
KML files are of limited use in a GIS and I don't recognize any of the other
files.  The geojson file was only recognized by QGIS but it would not
display.

 

Make sure JOSN is running (with remote control turned on) and then use the
Overpass turbo export load data into an OSM editor:
http://overpass-turbo.eu/ JOSM,Level0. Then in JOSN you can edit away as
required

Then I tried the KML and GPX files.  I'm QGIS the KML file was listed but
not accepted for viewing; the GPX layers were accepted but would not
display.  In JSON the KML file was not recognized and GPX file would not
display.

 

 

Most of this sounds like QGIS issues/familiarity not OSM issues.



If I recall correctly, the option to send the query results directly to JSON
failed also.

This is a huge amount of trial and error with very little, almost nothing,
to show for two late nights.  I appreciate everyone's attempt to help, and
have read many wiki pages but she's all uphill.

My intention is very simple  -

. download a shapefile of the Nepal task tiles

. download a shapefile of the potential and actual helipads [this
might have been achieved with the Hot Export, the many attempts are all
blurring together now]

. possibly download a shapefile of other features

 

The question here is what do you want to do with the data after you have
it? We can suggest the best tools if we know what the whole job actually
is. I have sent you a KML file of Leisure=common sites (around 1400
potential helipad sites) that you could use in Google Earth (as you
previously mentioned that it would help you define better landing sites).  I
have also suggested how you can then edit them again via OSM.

 

There is not a quick process to take masses of data out of OSM, edit it
offline, and then reimport it with validation ...especially whilst there are
so many folks editing during an activation.

 

If someone can outline a GUARANTEED process to achieve that I would be most
appreciative.  In most GIS environments, these are everyday activities
accomplished with a few mouse clicks.  In many years, I don't think I have
ever seen such a complex mishmash of GIS tools.

 

 

Yep, each set of tools and software have their uses, foibles and learning
curve - personally I use Mapinfo, QGIS, FME, OSM, JOSM Editor, ID Editor,
Google Earth, Oziexplorer, Mapsource, Basecamp and occasionally even ESRI
products (even Manifold years ago!). Sometimes a combination of tools gives
the best result.



Thanks very much, Cheers . . . . . . . . Spring Harrison




At 10-05-2015 10:33 Sunday, Michael wrote:



Hi Spring,

Am 10.05.2015 um 10:47 schrieb Springfield Harrison:



Further bad news, trying to download OSM through JOSM yielded the following
message:

/The OSM server 'api.openstreetmap.org' reported a bad request.

The area you tried to download is too big or your request was too large.
Either request a smaller area or use an export file provided by the OSM
community.


I am afraid but this is standard behavior in any editor. Basically this is
not the way to go if you actually want to download OSM data for consumption.




/Does this process usually work? Is it not possible to simply get a
shapefile
of this information and avoid all the multiple file type 

Re: [HOT] QGIS and OSM and..

[Phil (The Geek) Wyatt]

Hi Springfield,

 

I am not sure of the actual number of tiles. I did this as a minimalist
example of what is possible. Given the file is now 6 hours old it's likely
there have been many edits already by other mappers. The file was simply a
QGIS filter of all those polygons with leisure=common as an attribute. 

 

The instructions in the task manager were to mark up any possible helicopter
sites with such tags.

 

http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1023 - also check the instructions Tab

 

On review some of these areas may be edited to circles, get tags  to include
aeroway=helipad or other tags. That's up to the task managers or maybe the
validators

 

http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/344152513

 

You could certainly edit the kml file (or turn it in to another format in
QGIS or maybe manifold) and then add another field to have clickable links
to the actual way in OSM (as in the format above). All that is possible but
just remember there may be many others using overpass turbo, task manager,
checking tags, validating and adding more areas all the time. #1023 is now
92% complete

 

Cheers - Phil

 

 

From: Springfield Harrison [mailto:stellar...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, 11 May 2015 5:39 PM
To: Phil (The Geek) Wyatt; 'Michael'; 'HOT'
Subject: RE: [HOT] QGIS and OSM and..

 

Hello Phil  Michael,

Thanks for the quick reply, my apologies for not seeing the KML file
you attached.  It opens fine in Manifold but only has text comments so
querying for helipad is difficult.  However, just did that and got 17
possible and probable helipads from the 1444 records.  How many tiles does
that represent do you think?

I just noticed that you indicate around 1400 potential helipad
sites.  However, only 17 are flagged as such and 1401 have no information in
them whatsoever.  None of them have any key/value attributes, how were these
records actually generated?  Can I assume that they are either
aeroway/helipad or leisure/common?  It would be nice to know which is which.
Have any been validated and how is that shown?  Sorry for all the questions
but the pedigree for this file seems a bit sketchy.

Thanks for your comments.  You may be right about QGIS, I'm not that
familiar with it but I know that it happily opens many of my local
shapefiles with no issues.

Yes, JOSM was running under remote control but the transfer of data
from turbo failed with cryptic error messages.

My intent, actually suggested by someone else from OSM, is to
inspect existing helipad candidates, and possibly find more, using the
better reconnaissance capabilities inherent in Google Earth.  I think it
would be important to have the tile grid boundaries for that.

Anyway, this may or may not be a good idea but I thought it showed
promise.  I will overlay your file on Google Earth tomorrow and let you know
how things look.  It may not be right away as I am well behind on other
things now.

 Thanks again to all, Cheers . . . . . . . . Spring Harrison





At 10-05-2015 23:42 Sunday, Phil \(The Geek\) Wyatt wrote:



 
 
From: Springfield Harrison [mailto mailto:stellar...@gmail.com
:stellar...@gmail.com mailto:stellar...@gmail.com ] 
Sent: Monday, 11 May 2015 3:43 PM
To: Michael; 'HOT'
Subject: Re: [HOT] QGIS and OSM and..
 
Hello Michael,

Thanks for your reply.

So you are confirming that downloading OSM data through JSOM is a waste of
time? I wish I had known this earlier. I was advised that it would download
all of Nepal but that doesn't seem to be the case.
 
JOSM is really just an editor for doing small area changes to OSM data - its
not designed for country editing. QGIS however, can download any area in the
world (subject to your bandwidth and hard disc size)


I tried the open street map data link that you provided. It shows some
promise but I haven't looked at the data yet. [Just looked at some of those
shapefiles, they do load and display in QGIS. However, when I tried to
change the symbology for the helipads, they all disappeared. WTF?]
 
OK - thats likely a QGIS issue - nothing to do with OSM


I also stumbled upon the HOT Export site. It is very convoluted but also
shows promise once one figures out the myriad of options. Creating presets
would be helped enormously if there were drop-down lists for the keys and
their values. My last attempt here failed, probably due to bad
capitalization or some such. It looks like a dog's breakfast.

Now I see your reference to Overpass Turbo, hopefully not another blind
alley. Simply downloading data in OSM is anything but streamlined. The
key/value concept seems to complicate things considerably. What is the
benefit of that system?

I have fired up Overpass Turbo. Used the wizard to create and run a query
but the export options only offers some less than useful choices. GPX and
KML files are of limited use in a GIS and I don't recognize any of the other
files. The geojson file was only recognized by QGIS but it would not
display

Re: [HOT] QGIS and OSM and..

[Phil (The Geek) Wyatt]

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/QGIS#QGIS2_OpenStreetMap_Vectors

 

This is the quickest way to get OSM data into QGIS

 

From: Springfield Harrison [mailto:stellar...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, 10 May 2015 3:59 PM
To: john o'l; HOT
Subject: Re: [HOT] QGIS and OSM and..

 

Hello John,

I'm not up on the intricacies of the OSM database but could probably figure
it out fairly easily if there is any documentation to be had.  Or even if
not.  I'm quite familiar with Manifold GIS, used to work with ArcView and
have recently acquired QGIS.  Over the years, I have done lots of data
import, export and translation.

If you can point me towards that helicopter landing pad data, I would be
happy to have a look at it.  I presume I would access the complete OSM
database and then query to extract the helipad records.

I also am puzzled about the use of Google Earth.  I don't propose to
misappropriate their imagery or flog the resulting lists for commercial gain
or sue them if a particular helipad turns out to be less than ideal.  To me,
it is just an excellent background for assessing terrain.  I wonder if it
can be coerced into loading post earthquake imagery?

Following on, how available is the file for the map of all the tiles used in
the Tasking process?  That would be very useful for working outside of OSM.
I imagine all these files are online if I could just find the right address.

 Thanks very much, Cheers . . . . . . . . Spring Harrison




At 09-05-2015 19:26 Saturday, john o'l wrote:




Alas, the simple options that appeared to allow QGIS to make direct OSM
uploads seem to have disappeared with updates over the past few years and I
lack the technical chops to code an appropriate tool. Â 

QGIS seems to prefer creating shape (SHP) files, and I found that copying
and pasting an attribute table will create a text file (I believe tab
delimited) of the format:
POLYGON((longitudespacelatitude,longitudespacelatitude,...etc)) then
attributes/tags. First question is whether anyone has or knows of an easy
conversion/upload tool to get this data into OSM? The closest I found still
would have had me manipulating python or XML -- I am sure no sensible people
really want me to go down that road. 

Getting to know QGIS has been a treat, by the way. It is great at extracting
data from OSM and the imagery services associated with it. For folks having
trouble with the free form nature of OSM, it allows sifting and structuring
the data in a way that may be quite pleasing. I can't help but think Spring
Harrison might enjoy extracting all the helicopter landing pads and
leisure=common in earthquake hit areas and give them a thorough review,
producing a shape or text file of his recommended choices. 

It seems data generated by osm users contained within Google's kmls would be
available as long as it was extracted? Surely putting something in an
envelope doesn't render it the property of the envelope manufacturer...

Anyway, any help or non-coding recommendations would be appreciated!

Cheers,

John

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[HOT] Any tablet digitisers pens work with OSM?

[Phil (The Geek) Wyatt]

Just getting into some serious digitising and wondered (as a complete
newbie) if in any of the editors will work with a digitising pen / tablet
like a Wacom?

 

Might just save me from getting RSI from all the mouse clicking!

 

 

Cheers - Phil

 

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Supporter http://www.thingreenline.org.au/ , Volunteer Mapper - Red Cross
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Re: [HOT] Work begins on Mapping Africa's Protected Areas

[Phil (The Geek) Wyatt]

I am happy to pass the message on through the International Rangers Federation 
and the Thin Green Line movement

 

https://www.facebook.com/thethingreenlinefoundation

https://www.facebook.com/InternationalRangerFederation

 

Cheers - Phil

 

 

From: John White [mailto:jwpwh...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 15 January 2015 3:49 AM
To: hot@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [HOT] Work begins on Mapping Africa's Protected Areas

 

Hi All

I am please to announce that work has begun on Mapping Africa's Protected 
Areas. The first two National Parks selected for mapping are Serengeti National 
Park (Task 834 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/834 ) and Niokolo-Koba 
National Park (Task 721 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/721 ).

 

As many of you are aware, Africa's National Parks, Nature Reserves and Game 
Reserves are an important and sustainable sources of foreign currency, jobs and 
upliftment in many countries on the African continent. Your assistance in 
mapping protected areas will help support tourism activity and therefore the 
surrounding communities.

 

For more information on the list of reserves to be mapped, please visit:

Our WikiProject 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_African_National_Parks_and_Reserves
 

Our Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/mappingprotectedareas 

 

Regards
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Re: [HOT] Work begins on Mapping Africa's Protected Areas

[Phil (The Geek) Wyatt]

Also passed on through the PAMS and cybertracker networks

 

http://pamsfoundation.org/

https://www.facebook.com/pages/CyberTracker/124220177605061?fref=ts

 

They are bound to have some gps traces

 

Cheers - Phil

 

From: John White [mailto:jwpwh...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 15 January 2015 3:49 AM
To: hot@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [HOT] Work begins on Mapping Africa's Protected Areas

 

Hi All

I am please to announce that work has begun on Mapping Africa's Protected 
Areas. The first two National Parks selected for mapping are Serengeti National 
Park (Task 834 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/834 ) and Niokolo-Koba 
National Park (Task 721 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/721 ).

 

As many of you are aware, Africa's National Parks, Nature Reserves and Game 
Reserves are an important and sustainable sources of foreign currency, jobs and 
upliftment in many countries on the African continent. Your assistance in 
mapping protected areas will help support tourism activity and therefore the 
surrounding communities.

 

For more information on the list of reserves to be mapped, please visit:

Our WikiProject 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_African_National_Parks_and_Reserves
 

Our Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/mappingprotectedareas 

 

Regards
John White

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