Re: [HOT] Projects on the HOT OSM Tasking Manager - lots of them

[Suzan Reed]

I agree with JIm that smaller tiles seem to encourage mapping. Even though 
anyone can split a tile, it’s possible people aren’t comfortable splitting 
them. In Mexico, like Jim, I split several tiles in an area I was working, and 
next day many had been worked. Also like Jim I don’t think all of a task should 
be split into small tiles as there are many areas, as there were in the Mexico 
task, that have little going on and they should remain big.

So here’s the suggestion: Activators review the task and split tiles in the 
densest areas to encourage mappers to take on those tiles. Seems easy enough 
for them to do. 

It would also be good to always have the humanitarian aspect described in 
depth. Like most I am more inclined to map when I have an emotional connection 
to the people and the situation. Links to photos would also be useful. 
Buildings are different from place to place and it’s good to know what the 
structures look like, and it’s also good to see what’s happening on the ground 
to real people in the crisis. Sometimes I don’t think the task has enough human 
need explained, and the task is cold. I am mapping a large task that had links 
to the NGO working on the ground with photos of the situation. That dedicated 
me to the task. I’ve searched for photos of the area and found out what roads 
and the land looks like, and that’s really helped my mapping. It would be 
helpful if every activation had those links. Not difficult for the activators 
to add them. 

Suzan 
SReed


On Dec 9, 2015, at 7:04 AM, Jim Smith <seth...@blarneystone.com> wrote:

I somewhat agree with Ralf’s point about tile size making a difference. When I 
went to help mapping for the recent Mexican hurricane, there was a section 
marked priority. Some non-priority surprise, the other split tiles were then 
being worked as well but still none of the non-split priority ones. I split a 
couple more and sure enough, those became actively worked on as well.
 
I used to think in terms of not splitting a tile unless it is massive but after 
that I realized it might not be a bad thing to split a few in a priority area 
just to get mappers started.
 
Splitting an entire area down may be counterproductive since they can’t be 
“unsplit” for areas that are found to be easy mapping but if you find an area 
being passed over, try splitting a tile or two and see if that helps get it 
started.
 
Jim
 
From: Ralf Stephan [mailto:gtrw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 11:33 AM
To: hot@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [HOT] Projects on the HOT OSM Tasking Manager - lots of them
 
The key for moving people from one-time to many-time contribution is motivation.
I have seen volunteers suddenly much more motivated when I commented with more
than a few words on a validation I did. But at least equally important is task 
and tile size.
Large tasks are tackled more than a few times only by long-time contributors. 
Why have
such big tasks when there is no hurry? I know I am more motivated if tile sizes 
are small.
I'm sure it's more so with new contributors, so why have such large tiles per 
default, if
they aren't completed anyway? Everything is made ever more casual, but I need 
30-60
minutes to complete the smallest tile size to my satisfaction. Please increase 
the split
count AND make the default tile size smaller, or you will never get enough 
completed tiles by people who want to invest rather 15 than minutes.
 
Sorry for ranting
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Re: [HOT] Projects on the HOT OSM Tasking Manager - lots of them

[Jim Smith]

I somewhat agree with Ralf’s point about tile size making a difference. When I 
went to help mapping for the recent Mexican hurricane, there was a section 
marked priority. Some non-priority tiles were split and those were being worked 
on. Most tiles were not split and those were not being worked, priority or not. 
I split a couple of priority tiles and started working on them. To my surprise, 
the other split tiles were then being worked as well but still none of the 
non-split priority ones. I split a couple more and sure enough, those became 
actively worked on as well.

 

I used to think in terms of not splitting a tile unless it is massive but after 
that I realized it might not be a bad thing to split a few in a priority area 
just to get mappers started.

 

Splitting an entire area down may be counterproductive since they can’t be 
“unsplit” for areas that are found to be easy mapping but if you find an area 
being passed over, try splitting a tile or two and see if that helps get it 
started.

 

Jim

 

From: Ralf Stephan [mailto:gtrw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 11:33 AM
To: hot@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [HOT] Projects on the HOT OSM Tasking Manager - lots of them

 

The key for moving people from one-time to many-time contribution is motivation.

I have seen volunteers suddenly much more motivated when I commented with more

than a few words on a validation I did. But at least equally important is task 
and tile size.

Large tasks are tackled more than a few times only by long-time contributors. 
Why have

such big tasks when there is no hurry? I know I am more motivated if tile sizes 
are small.

I'm sure it's more so with new contributors, so why have such large tiles per 
default, if

they aren't completed anyway? Everything is made ever more casual, but I need 
30-60

minutes to complete the smallest tile size to my satisfaction. Please increase 
the split

count AND make the default tile size smaller, or you will never get enough 
completed tiles by people who want to invest rather 15 than minutes.

 

Sorry for ranting

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Re: [HOT] Projects on the HOT OSM Tasking Manager - lots of them

[john whelan]

These I like perhaps we could also include projects actively validated for
those mappers who like to see some feedback.

Cheerio John

On 6 December 2015 at 21:35, Daniel O'Connor 
wrote:

> I raised https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/718
> focused only on the front page list/different purposes it serves. Ideas or
> examples of other 'task priority' UI encouraged.
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:40 AM, Jo  wrote:
>
>> Something that baffles me about the TM is that when a task is split, the
>> original tile seems to disappear from existence, even though people could
>> still have a reference to it, they will get a not found message and they
>> can't read the comments anymore.
>>
>> As a long time OSM contritbutor, I started doing validation work. I
>> always try to read the instructions, but I also find I'm jumping between
>> tasks quite often. It poses its own challenges... Anyway, I tend to prefer
>> the tasks where not every building needs to be mapped, but sometimes it's
>> hard to find the middle ground. In a tile where almost nothing is visible,
>> I'd try to map at least something like the rivers and the occasional
>> footpath. By mapping the rivers it becomes easier to find the 'roads' where
>> they cross the rivers. And the rivers are nice reference points by
>> themselves as well, of course.
>>
>> Polyglot
>>
>> 2015-12-06 17:58 GMT+01:00 Dale Kunce :
>>
>>> Ralf and John.
>>> I don't either of you are ranting but providing good feedback that
>>> aligns with my own thinking about tasks. I favor smaller tasks that can be
>>> completed quickly rather than huge tasks that take multiple mappers to
>>> complete.
>>>
>>> One thing that I think we are moving towards is a set of guidelines for
>>> TM PMs. This will standardize a lot of language and help keep tasks
>>> manageable. I'm working on a draft that I'll share with the HOT and TM PM
>>> lists once it's ready to share.
>>>
>>> Thanks as always for your time.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015, 11:35 AM Ralf Stephan  wrote:
>>>
 The key for moving people from one-time to many-time contribution is
 motivation.
 I have seen volunteers suddenly much more motivated when I commented
 with more
 than a few words on a validation I did. But at least equally important
 is task and tile size.
 Large tasks are tackled more than a few times only by long-time
 contributors. Why have
 such big tasks when there is no hurry? I know I am more motivated if
 tile sizes are small.
 I'm sure it's more so with new contributors, so why have such large
 tiles per default, if
 they aren't completed anyway? Everything is made ever more casual, but
 I need 30-60
 minutes to complete the smallest tile size to my satisfaction. Please
 increase the split
 count AND make the default tile size smaller, or you will never get
 enough completed tiles by people who want to invest rather 15 than minutes.

 Sorry for ranting
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Re: [HOT] Projects on the HOT OSM Tasking Manager - lots of them

[Yantisa Akhadi]

HOT Indonesia currently developing curriculum and training material for OSM
Data Validation. This is to expand existing validation curriculum in the
Activation Curriculum. The draft is still in Indonesian language, we will
share it once we translate it to English. Thank you for the link Maning, I
believe our team can learn from it as well.

Best,

*Yantisa Akhadi (Iyan)*
*Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team*
Tel: +62 81 5787 03388  Email: yantisa.akh...@hotosm.org
hot.openstreetmap.org | openstreetmap.id

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:00 AM, maning sambale 
wrote:

> We have great training materials to onboard new mappers.  Maybe its
> time to focus on developing more materials for validation and recruit
> more validators?
>
> The current tasking manager requires you to validate each task.  But,
> in most cases, quality of edits depend on a specific mapper.  We can
> do validation by user edits instead of by task.  For example, at
> Mapbox, we regularly review every edit of our data team (to ensure we
> contribute quality data and we are good OSM citizens).  Instead of
> going through each task we review all of the edits of the user in a
> given project using overpass, JOSM's todo list and validator tools.
> See example here:
> https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/135#issuecomment-161922079
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Robert Banick  wrote:
> > I think Daniel’s suggestion is a good idea; we don’t make nearly enough
> use
> > of the front page. I would also like the ability to use custom filters,
> > perhaps based off the task hashtags?
> >
> > —
> > Sent from Mailbox
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Daniel O'Connor <
> daniel.ocon...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I raised https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/718
> focused
> >> only on the front page list/different purposes it serves. Ideas or
> examples
> >> of other 'task priority' UI encouraged.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:40 AM, Jo  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Something that baffles me about the TM is that when a task is split,
> the
> >>> original tile seems to disappear from existence, even though people
> could
> >>> still have a reference to it, they will get a not found message and
> they
> >>> can't read the comments anymore.
> >>>
> >>> As a long time OSM contritbutor, I started doing validation work. I
> >>> always try to read the instructions, but I also find I'm jumping
> between
> >>> tasks quite often. It poses its own challenges... Anyway, I tend to
> prefer
> >>> the tasks where not every building needs to be mapped, but sometimes
> it's
> >>> hard to find the middle ground. In a tile where almost nothing is
> visible,
> >>> I'd try to map at least something like the rivers and the occasional
> >>> footpath. By mapping the rivers it becomes easier to find the 'roads'
> where
> >>> they cross the rivers. And the rivers are nice reference points by
> >>> themselves as well, of course.
> >>>
> >>> Polyglot
> >>>
> >>> 2015-12-06 17:58 GMT+01:00 Dale Kunce :
> 
>  Ralf and John.
>  I don't either of you are ranting but providing good feedback that
>  aligns with my own thinking about tasks. I favor smaller tasks that
> can be
>  completed quickly rather than huge tasks that take multiple mappers to
>  complete.
> 
>  One thing that I think we are moving towards is a set of guidelines
> for
>  TM PMs. This will standardize a lot of language and help keep tasks
>  manageable. I'm working on a draft that I'll share with the HOT and
> TM PM
>  lists once it's ready to share.
> 
>  Thanks as always for your time.
> 
> 
>  On Sun, Dec 6, 2015, 11:35 AM Ralf Stephan  wrote:
> >
> > The key for moving people from one-time to many-time contribution is
> > motivation.
> > I have seen volunteers suddenly much more motivated when I commented
> > with more
> > than a few words on a validation I did. But at least equally
> important
> > is task and tile size.
> > Large tasks are tackled more than a few times only by long-time
> > contributors. Why have
> > such big tasks when there is no hurry? I know I am more motivated if
> > tile sizes are small.
> > I'm sure it's more so with new contributors, so why have such large
> > tiles per default, if
> > they aren't completed anyway? Everything is made ever more casual,
> but
> > I need 30-60
> > minutes to complete the smallest tile size to my satisfaction. Please
> > increase the split
> > count AND make the default tile size smaller, or you will never get
> > enough completed tiles by people who want to invest rather 15 than
> minutes.
> >
> > Sorry for ranting
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Re: [HOT] Projects on the HOT OSM Tasking Manager - lots of them

[Yantisa Akhadi]

Hi Robert,

We planned to have the draft translated by early January next year. We
surely welcome any feedback for the draft, will keep you posted.

Best,

*Yantisa Akhadi (Iyan)*
*Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team*
Tel: +62 81 5787 03388  Email: yantisa.akh...@hotosm.org
hot.openstreetmap.org | openstreetmap.id

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Robert Banick  wrote:

> Hi Yantisa,
>
> That’s great to hear. The team I’m working with in Sri Lanka is also doing
> a lot of validation at this moment and would be interested in the
> translated version when it’s ready. Do you have an approximate translation
> date in mind?
>
> Best,
> Robert
>
> —
> Sent from Mailbox 
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Yantisa Akhadi 
> wrote:
>
>> HOT Indonesia currently developing curriculum and training material for
>> OSM Data Validation. This is to expand existing validation curriculum in
>> the Activation Curriculum. The draft is still in Indonesian language, we
>> will share it once we translate it to English. Thank you for the link
>> Maning, I believe our team can learn from it as well.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> *Yantisa Akhadi (Iyan)*
>> *Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team*
>> Tel: +62 81 5787 03388  Email: yantisa.akh...@hotosm.org
>> hot.openstreetmap.org | openstreetmap.id
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:00 AM, maning sambale <
>> emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We have great training materials to onboard new mappers.  Maybe its
>>> time to focus on developing more materials for validation and recruit
>>> more validators?
>>>
>>> The current tasking manager requires you to validate each task.  But,
>>> in most cases, quality of edits depend on a specific mapper.  We can
>>> do validation by user edits instead of by task.  For example, at
>>> Mapbox, we regularly review every edit of our data team (to ensure we
>>> contribute quality data and we are good OSM citizens).  Instead of
>>> going through each task we review all of the edits of the user in a
>>> given project using overpass, JOSM's todo list and validator tools.
>>> See example here:
>>> https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/135#issuecomment-161922079
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Robert Banick  wrote:
>>> > I think Daniel’s suggestion is a good idea; we don’t make nearly
>>> enough use
>>> > of the front page. I would also like the ability to use custom filters,
>>> > perhaps based off the task hashtags?
>>> >
>>> > —
>>> > Sent from Mailbox
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Daniel O'Connor <
>>> daniel.ocon...@gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I raised https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/718
>>> focused
>>> >> only on the front page list/different purposes it serves. Ideas or
>>> examples
>>> >> of other 'task priority' UI encouraged.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:40 AM, Jo  wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Something that baffles me about the TM is that when a task is split,
>>> the
>>> >>> original tile seems to disappear from existence, even though people
>>> could
>>> >>> still have a reference to it, they will get a not found message and
>>> they
>>> >>> can't read the comments anymore.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> As a long time OSM contritbutor, I started doing validation work. I
>>> >>> always try to read the instructions, but I also find I'm jumping
>>> between
>>> >>> tasks quite often. It poses its own challenges... Anyway, I tend to
>>> prefer
>>> >>> the tasks where not every building needs to be mapped, but sometimes
>>> it's
>>> >>> hard to find the middle ground. In a tile where almost nothing is
>>> visible,
>>> >>> I'd try to map at least something like the rivers and the occasional
>>> >>> footpath. By mapping the rivers it becomes easier to find the
>>> 'roads' where
>>> >>> they cross the rivers. And the rivers are nice reference points by
>>> >>> themselves as well, of course.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Polyglot
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 2015-12-06 17:58 GMT+01:00 Dale Kunce :
>>> 
>>>  Ralf and John.
>>>  I don't either of you are ranting but providing good feedback that
>>>  aligns with my own thinking about tasks. I favor smaller tasks that
>>> can be
>>>  completed quickly rather than huge tasks that take multiple mappers
>>> to
>>>  complete.
>>> 
>>>  One thing that I think we are moving towards is a set of guidelines
>>> for
>>>  TM PMs. This will standardize a lot of language and help keep tasks
>>>  manageable. I'm working on a draft that I'll share with the HOT and
>>> TM PM
>>>  lists once it's ready to share.
>>> 
>>>  Thanks as always for your time.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  On Sun, Dec 6, 2015, 11:35 AM Ralf Stephan 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > The key for moving people from one-time to many-time contribution
>>> is
>>> > motivation.
>>> > I have seen volunteers suddenly much 

Re: [HOT] Projects on the HOT OSM Tasking Manager - lots of them

[Robert Banick]

Hi Yantisa,




That’s great to hear. The team I’m working with in Sri Lanka is also doing a 
lot of validation at this moment and would be interested in the translated 
version when it’s ready. Do you have an approximate translation date in mind?




Best,

Robert


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On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Yantisa Akhadi 
wrote:

> HOT Indonesia currently developing curriculum and training material for OSM
> Data Validation. This is to expand existing validation curriculum in the
> Activation Curriculum. The draft is still in Indonesian language, we will
> share it once we translate it to English. Thank you for the link Maning, I
> believe our team can learn from it as well.
> Best,
> *Yantisa Akhadi (Iyan)*
> *Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team*
> Tel: +62 81 5787 03388  Email: yantisa.akh...@hotosm.org
> hot.openstreetmap.org | openstreetmap.id
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:00 AM, maning sambale 
> wrote:
>> We have great training materials to onboard new mappers.  Maybe its
>> time to focus on developing more materials for validation and recruit
>> more validators?
>>
>> The current tasking manager requires you to validate each task.  But,
>> in most cases, quality of edits depend on a specific mapper.  We can
>> do validation by user edits instead of by task.  For example, at
>> Mapbox, we regularly review every edit of our data team (to ensure we
>> contribute quality data and we are good OSM citizens).  Instead of
>> going through each task we review all of the edits of the user in a
>> given project using overpass, JOSM's todo list and validator tools.
>> See example here:
>> https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/135#issuecomment-161922079
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Robert Banick  wrote:
>> > I think Daniel’s suggestion is a good idea; we don’t make nearly enough
>> use
>> > of the front page. I would also like the ability to use custom filters,
>> > perhaps based off the task hashtags?
>> >
>> > —
>> > Sent from Mailbox
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Daniel O'Connor <
>> daniel.ocon...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I raised https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/718
>> focused
>> >> only on the front page list/different purposes it serves. Ideas or
>> examples
>> >> of other 'task priority' UI encouraged.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:40 AM, Jo  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Something that baffles me about the TM is that when a task is split,
>> the
>> >>> original tile seems to disappear from existence, even though people
>> could
>> >>> still have a reference to it, they will get a not found message and
>> they
>> >>> can't read the comments anymore.
>> >>>
>> >>> As a long time OSM contritbutor, I started doing validation work. I
>> >>> always try to read the instructions, but I also find I'm jumping
>> between
>> >>> tasks quite often. It poses its own challenges... Anyway, I tend to
>> prefer
>> >>> the tasks where not every building needs to be mapped, but sometimes
>> it's
>> >>> hard to find the middle ground. In a tile where almost nothing is
>> visible,
>> >>> I'd try to map at least something like the rivers and the occasional
>> >>> footpath. By mapping the rivers it becomes easier to find the 'roads'
>> where
>> >>> they cross the rivers. And the rivers are nice reference points by
>> >>> themselves as well, of course.
>> >>>
>> >>> Polyglot
>> >>>
>> >>> 2015-12-06 17:58 GMT+01:00 Dale Kunce :
>> 
>>  Ralf and John.
>>  I don't either of you are ranting but providing good feedback that
>>  aligns with my own thinking about tasks. I favor smaller tasks that
>> can be
>>  completed quickly rather than huge tasks that take multiple mappers to
>>  complete.
>> 
>>  One thing that I think we are moving towards is a set of guidelines
>> for
>>  TM PMs. This will standardize a lot of language and help keep tasks
>>  manageable. I'm working on a draft that I'll share with the HOT and
>> TM PM
>>  lists once it's ready to share.
>> 
>>  Thanks as always for your time.
>> 
>> 
>>  On Sun, Dec 6, 2015, 11:35 AM Ralf Stephan  wrote:
>> >
>> > The key for moving people from one-time to many-time contribution is
>> > motivation.
>> > I have seen volunteers suddenly much more motivated when I commented
>> > with more
>> > than a few words on a validation I did. But at least equally
>> important
>> > is task and tile size.
>> > Large tasks are tackled more than a few times only by long-time
>> > contributors. Why have
>> > such big tasks when there is no hurry? I know I am more motivated if
>> > tile sizes are small.
>> > I'm sure it's more so with new contributors, so why have such large
>> > tiles per default, if
>> > they aren't completed anyway? Everything is made ever more casual,
>> 

Re: [HOT] Projects on the HOT OSM Tasking Manager - lots of them

[Kai Krueger]

Hi,

I just wanted to add my own experience and suggestions regarding the marking
tiles done in the task managers.

The term "done" is really very binary and somewhat difficult to define.
Particularly when remote mapping, there will always be some features that
one can't recognize or is unsure about and thus might leave out. Is the tile
then done or not? Because of that I could imagine some people will err on
the side of caution and basically mark nothing as done, and others might
take it as because mapping is never truly done, even a first rough pass is
"done" enough.

I wonder if it would thus be helpful to make the "marking done" system a bit
more fine scaled? I.e. either have a slider for percentages of completeness,
or at least break it into lets say 4 - 5  categories, like "partly mapped",
"mostly mapped".

Furthermore, I am wondering if it be worth splitting the "done" by features?
I.e one can say that the "roads" are "mostly mapped", the "rivers" are
"partly mapped" and buildings are "hardly mapped". Or if specific aspects of
lets say buildings are to be mapped. Like one task that requested if roofs
are "permanent / corrugated metal" or "natural", then it might be useful to
break out the completeness by features. E.g. "mapping buildings" can be
"mostly done", but "mapping roof top properties", is only "partially done".
That might be useful when one is comfortable mapping some aspects, but not
others.

That gives people who want to chose a tile a much better overview of what to
expect and can choose the tiles better according to their abilities.

It also would make it easier to get better statistics of the overall status
of a task than just the binary "done/not done" of tiles.

Making tiles much smaller, as has been suggested, could potentially be
another option of how to increase someones confidence in that a tile really
is done.



With respect to motivation to contribute, I think it might be useful if more
information could be available about the projects and how mapping really
does help the project and particularly the people affected. For high profile
events like the earthquake in Haiti or Nepal or typhoons, the main stream
media does part of this and everyone prominently sees the pictures and
stories of those affected and thus gains an emotional connectedness to the
task. However, for many of the lower profile, ongoing tasks, that is much
less the case. So perhaps it would be good, if the task descriptions could
have links to project descriptions, blogs or other press material describing
the project and how it tries to help. The more that can be directly related
to the mapping, imho the better. And perhaps it could even include a
description of how the task would have to be done, if the maps created by
HOT were not available. I.e. directly showing how a volunteer mappers work
effects the work of the project. Some of the task descriptions already do a
decent job at this, others imho are too vague to really get excited about.

Just my $.02

Kai




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Re: [HOT] Projects on the HOT OSM Tasking Manager - lots of them

[Ralf Stephan]

The key for moving people from one-time to many-time contribution is
motivation.
I have seen volunteers suddenly much more motivated when I commented with
more
than a few words on a validation I did. But at least equally important is
task and tile size.
Large tasks are tackled more than a few times only by long-time
contributors. Why have
such big tasks when there is no hurry? I know I am more motivated if tile
sizes are small.
I'm sure it's more so with new contributors, so why have such large tiles
per default, if
they aren't completed anyway? Everything is made ever more casual, but I
need 30-60
minutes to complete the smallest tile size to my satisfaction. Please
increase the split
count AND make the default tile size smaller, or you will never get enough
completed tiles by people who want to invest rather 15 than minutes.

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Re: [HOT] Projects on the HOT OSM Tasking Manager - lots of them

[Dale Kunce]

Ralf and John.
I don't either of you are ranting but providing good feedback that aligns
with my own thinking about tasks. I favor smaller tasks that can be
completed quickly rather than huge tasks that take multiple mappers to
complete.

One thing that I think we are moving towards is a set of guidelines for TM
PMs. This will standardize a lot of language and help keep tasks
manageable. I'm working on a draft that I'll share with the HOT and TM PM
lists once it's ready to share.

Thanks as always for your time.

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015, 11:35 AM Ralf Stephan  wrote:

> The key for moving people from one-time to many-time contribution is
> motivation.
> I have seen volunteers suddenly much more motivated when I commented with
> more
> than a few words on a validation I did. But at least equally important is
> task and tile size.
> Large tasks are tackled more than a few times only by long-time
> contributors. Why have
> such big tasks when there is no hurry? I know I am more motivated if tile
> sizes are small.
> I'm sure it's more so with new contributors, so why have such large tiles
> per default, if
> they aren't completed anyway? Everything is made ever more casual, but I
> need 30-60
> minutes to complete the smallest tile size to my satisfaction. Please
> increase the split
> count AND make the default tile size smaller, or you will never get enough
> completed tiles by people who want to invest rather 15 than minutes.
>
> Sorry for ranting
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Re: [HOT] Projects on the HOT OSM Tasking Manager - lots of them

[Tyler Radford]

t;>
>> My question is: how can we better highlight when a project is a "first
>> pass" for which it is admissible to miss a few details in order for the
>> project to be completed faster? And an additional one: on some projects
>> part of the area to cover doesn't have imagery good enough to trace, could
>> it be useful to add a button to specify that (different than marking it
>> done & leaving it unmarked) to avoid several people looking at it again and
>> again?
>>
>> Thanks & best regards.
>>
>> --
>> Martin Noblecourt
>>
>> *m_nobleco...@cartong.org <m_nobleco...@cartong.org> | Bureau/Office: +33
>> (0)4 79 26 28 82 <%2B33%20%280%294%2079%2026%2028%2082> | Skype:
>> martin.noblecourt*
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>> organizations | Cartographie et gestion de l'information pour les
>> organisations humanitaires
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 20:28:50 +0100
>> From: Blake Girardot <bgirar...@gmail.com> <bgirar...@gmail.com>
>> To: "hot@openstreetmap.org" <hot@openstreetmap.org> <hot@openstreetmap.org> 
>> <hot@openstreetmap.org>
>> Subject: [HOT] Projects on the HOT OSM Tasking Manager - lots of them
>> Message-ID: <56633af2.60...@gmail.com> <56633af2.60...@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Dale, among others have been working to update and review all the
>> current projects on HOT's main OSM Tasking Manager:
>> http://tasks.hotosm.org/
>>
>> After much work on their part, a lot of projects have shifted up in the
>> list.
>>
>> If you have not had a chance to visit the tasking manager lately, it
>> would be a great time to do so as there are a lot of new mapping
>> projects and existing projects that need mapping.
>>
>> We really need more regular mappers as we get more and more requests for
>> HOT mapping. HOT and OSM's value is being recognized by more and more
>> humanitarian organizations and we are very challenged to keep up with
>> the requests we get. Any amount of time you can donate to mapping is
>> very helpful.
>>
>> Tweeting and Facebooking out the MapGive "Why Map?" video would also
>> make a huge impact. They have easy to click twitter and facebook links
>> on their why map page:
>> http://mapgive.state.gov/why-map/
>>
>> And there are links to the learn to map videos they make as well.
>>
>> And of course, while you are tweeting and sharing about HOT, please help
>> spread the word about our first ever direct fundraising effort:
>> https://donate.hotosm.org/
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Blake
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [HOT] Projects on the HOT OSM Tasking Manager - lots of them

[john whelan]

ate: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 20:28:50 +0100
> From: Blake Girardot <bgirar...@gmail.com> <bgirar...@gmail.com>
> To: "hot@openstreetmap.org" <hot@openstreetmap.org> <hot@openstreetmap.org> 
> <hot@openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: [HOT] Projects on the HOT OSM Tasking Manager - lots of them
> Message-ID: <56633af2.60...@gmail.com> <56633af2.60...@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Dale, among others have been working to update and review all the
> current projects on HOT's main OSM Tasking Manager:
> http://tasks.hotosm.org/
>
> After much work on their part, a lot of projects have shifted up in the
> list.
>
> If you have not had a chance to visit the tasking manager lately, it
> would be a great time to do so as there are a lot of new mapping
> projects and existing projects that need mapping.
>
> We really need more regular mappers as we get more and more requests for
> HOT mapping. HOT and OSM's value is being recognized by more and more
> humanitarian organizations and we are very challenged to keep up with
> the requests we get. Any amount of time you can donate to mapping is
> very helpful.
>
> Tweeting and Facebooking out the MapGive "Why Map?" video would also
> make a huge impact. They have easy to click twitter and facebook links
> on their why map page:
> http://mapgive.state.gov/why-map/
>
> And there are links to the learn to map videos they make as well.
>
> And of course, while you are tweeting and sharing about HOT, please help
> spread the word about our first ever direct fundraising effort:
> https://donate.hotosm.org/
>
> Cheers,
> Blake
>
>
>
>
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Re: [HOT] Projects on the HOT OSM Tasking Manager - lots of them

[Jo]

Something that baffles me about the TM is that when a task is split, the
original tile seems to disappear from existence, even though people could
still have a reference to it, they will get a not found message and they
can't read the comments anymore.

As a long time OSM contritbutor, I started doing validation work. I always
try to read the instructions, but I also find I'm jumping between tasks
quite often. It poses its own challenges... Anyway, I tend to prefer the
tasks where not every building needs to be mapped, but sometimes it's hard
to find the middle ground. In a tile where almost nothing is visible, I'd
try to map at least something like the rivers and the occasional footpath.
By mapping the rivers it becomes easier to find the 'roads' where they
cross the rivers. And the rivers are nice reference points by themselves as
well, of course.

Polyglot

2015-12-06 17:58 GMT+01:00 Dale Kunce :

> Ralf and John.
> I don't either of you are ranting but providing good feedback that aligns
> with my own thinking about tasks. I favor smaller tasks that can be
> completed quickly rather than huge tasks that take multiple mappers to
> complete.
>
> One thing that I think we are moving towards is a set of guidelines for TM
> PMs. This will standardize a lot of language and help keep tasks
> manageable. I'm working on a draft that I'll share with the HOT and TM PM
> lists once it's ready to share.
>
> Thanks as always for your time.
>
> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015, 11:35 AM Ralf Stephan  wrote:
>
>> The key for moving people from one-time to many-time contribution is
>> motivation.
>> I have seen volunteers suddenly much more motivated when I commented with
>> more
>> than a few words on a validation I did. But at least equally important is
>> task and tile size.
>> Large tasks are tackled more than a few times only by long-time
>> contributors. Why have
>> such big tasks when there is no hurry? I know I am more motivated if tile
>> sizes are small.
>> I'm sure it's more so with new contributors, so why have such large tiles
>> per default, if
>> they aren't completed anyway? Everything is made ever more casual, but I
>> need 30-60
>> minutes to complete the smallest tile size to my satisfaction. Please
>> increase the split
>> count AND make the default tile size smaller, or you will never get
>> enough completed tiles by people who want to invest rather 15 than minutes.
>>
>> Sorry for ranting
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>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
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Re: [HOT] Projects on the HOT OSM Tasking Manager - lots of them

[Martin Noblecourt]

Dear all,

This is an interesting topic, I think what is important is to focus on 
how the data will be useful for responders & communities on the ground.
On some requests (particularly for humanitarian operations), what we 
really need is to obtain a first overview of an area (villages & roads) 
fast. I've sometimes tried to put the focus on it using the instructions 
(e.g. the projects 1343 <http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1343> or 1262 
<http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1262>), however on both tasks I saw new 
mappers spending a lot of time tracing buildings whereas it wasn't 
necessary (yet), and (sometimes very) experienced mappers unvalidating 
tiles because a track was missing on a corner of a task. Although the 
latter were right to do so in absolute, in both case it wasn't really 
helping the task being completed faster (since lots of new mapper then 
spend time working again and again on the same task to get it perfect).


My question is: how can we better highlight when a project is a "first 
pass" for which it is admissible to miss a few details in order for the 
project to be completed faster? And an additional one: on some projects 
part of the area to cover doesn't have imagery good enough to trace, 
could it be useful to add a button to specify that (different than 
marking it done & leaving it unmarked) to avoid several people looking 
at it again and again?


Thanks & best regards.

--
Martin Noblecourt

*m_nobleco...@cartong.org | Bureau/Office: +33 (0)4 79 26 28 82 | Skype: 
martin.noblecourt*
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organizations | Cartographie et gestion de l'information pour les 
organisations humanitaires




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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 20:28:50 +0100
From: Blake Girardot <bgirar...@gmail.com>
To: "hot@openstreetmap.org" <hot@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: [HOT] Projects on the HOT OSM Tasking Manager - lots of them
Message-ID: <56633af2.60...@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Hi everyone,

Dale, among others have been working to update and review all the
current projects on HOT's main OSM Tasking Manager:

http://tasks.hotosm.org/

After much work on their part, a lot of projects have shifted up in the
list.

If you have not had a chance to visit the tasking manager lately, it
would be a great time to do so as there are a lot of new mapping
projects and existing projects that need mapping.

We really need more regular mappers as we get more and more requests for
HOT mapping. HOT and OSM's value is being recognized by more and more
humanitarian organizations and we are very challenged to keep up with
the requests we get. Any amount of time you can donate to mapping is
very helpful.

Tweeting and Facebooking out the MapGive "Why Map?" video would also
make a huge impact. They have easy to click twitter and facebook links
on their why map page:

http://mapgive.state.gov/why-map/

And there are links to the learn to map videos they make as well.

And of course, while you are tweeting and sharing about HOT, please help
spread the word about our first ever direct fundraising effort:

https://donate.hotosm.org/

Cheers,
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Re: [HOT] Projects on the HOT OSM Tasking Manager - lots of them

[Daniel O'Connor]

I raised https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/718 focused
only on the front page list/different purposes it serves. Ideas or examples
of other 'task priority' UI encouraged.

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:40 AM, Jo  wrote:

> Something that baffles me about the TM is that when a task is split, the
> original tile seems to disappear from existence, even though people could
> still have a reference to it, they will get a not found message and they
> can't read the comments anymore.
>
> As a long time OSM contritbutor, I started doing validation work. I always
> try to read the instructions, but I also find I'm jumping between tasks
> quite often. It poses its own challenges... Anyway, I tend to prefer the
> tasks where not every building needs to be mapped, but sometimes it's hard
> to find the middle ground. In a tile where almost nothing is visible, I'd
> try to map at least something like the rivers and the occasional footpath.
> By mapping the rivers it becomes easier to find the 'roads' where they
> cross the rivers. And the rivers are nice reference points by themselves as
> well, of course.
>
> Polyglot
>
> 2015-12-06 17:58 GMT+01:00 Dale Kunce :
>
>> Ralf and John.
>> I don't either of you are ranting but providing good feedback that aligns
>> with my own thinking about tasks. I favor smaller tasks that can be
>> completed quickly rather than huge tasks that take multiple mappers to
>> complete.
>>
>> One thing that I think we are moving towards is a set of guidelines for
>> TM PMs. This will standardize a lot of language and help keep tasks
>> manageable. I'm working on a draft that I'll share with the HOT and TM PM
>> lists once it's ready to share.
>>
>> Thanks as always for your time.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015, 11:35 AM Ralf Stephan  wrote:
>>
>>> The key for moving people from one-time to many-time contribution is
>>> motivation.
>>> I have seen volunteers suddenly much more motivated when I commented
>>> with more
>>> than a few words on a validation I did. But at least equally important
>>> is task and tile size.
>>> Large tasks are tackled more than a few times only by long-time
>>> contributors. Why have
>>> such big tasks when there is no hurry? I know I am more motivated if
>>> tile sizes are small.
>>> I'm sure it's more so with new contributors, so why have such large
>>> tiles per default, if
>>> they aren't completed anyway? Everything is made ever more casual, but I
>>> need 30-60
>>> minutes to complete the smallest tile size to my satisfaction. Please
>>> increase the split
>>> count AND make the default tile size smaller, or you will never get
>>> enough completed tiles by people who want to invest rather 15 than minutes.
>>>
>>> Sorry for ranting
>>> ___
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>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
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Re: [HOT] Projects on the HOT OSM Tasking Manager - lots of them

[Robert Banick]

I think Daniel’s suggestion is a good idea; we don’t make nearly enough use of 
the front page. I would also like the ability to use custom filters, perhaps 
based off the task hashtags?


—
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On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Daniel O'Connor 
wrote:

> I raised https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/718 focused
> only on the front page list/different purposes it serves. Ideas or examples
> of other 'task priority' UI encouraged.
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:40 AM, Jo  wrote:
>> Something that baffles me about the TM is that when a task is split, the
>> original tile seems to disappear from existence, even though people could
>> still have a reference to it, they will get a not found message and they
>> can't read the comments anymore.
>>
>> As a long time OSM contritbutor, I started doing validation work. I always
>> try to read the instructions, but I also find I'm jumping between tasks
>> quite often. It poses its own challenges... Anyway, I tend to prefer the
>> tasks where not every building needs to be mapped, but sometimes it's hard
>> to find the middle ground. In a tile where almost nothing is visible, I'd
>> try to map at least something like the rivers and the occasional footpath.
>> By mapping the rivers it becomes easier to find the 'roads' where they
>> cross the rivers. And the rivers are nice reference points by themselves as
>> well, of course.
>>
>> Polyglot
>>
>> 2015-12-06 17:58 GMT+01:00 Dale Kunce :
>>
>>> Ralf and John.
>>> I don't either of you are ranting but providing good feedback that aligns
>>> with my own thinking about tasks. I favor smaller tasks that can be
>>> completed quickly rather than huge tasks that take multiple mappers to
>>> complete.
>>>
>>> One thing that I think we are moving towards is a set of guidelines for
>>> TM PMs. This will standardize a lot of language and help keep tasks
>>> manageable. I'm working on a draft that I'll share with the HOT and TM PM
>>> lists once it's ready to share.
>>>
>>> Thanks as always for your time.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015, 11:35 AM Ralf Stephan  wrote:
>>>
 The key for moving people from one-time to many-time contribution is
 motivation.
 I have seen volunteers suddenly much more motivated when I commented
 with more
 than a few words on a validation I did. But at least equally important
 is task and tile size.
 Large tasks are tackled more than a few times only by long-time
 contributors. Why have
 such big tasks when there is no hurry? I know I am more motivated if
 tile sizes are small.
 I'm sure it's more so with new contributors, so why have such large
 tiles per default, if
 they aren't completed anyway? Everything is made ever more casual, but I
 need 30-60
 minutes to complete the smallest tile size to my satisfaction. Please
 increase the split
 count AND make the default tile size smaller, or you will never get
 enough completed tiles by people who want to invest rather 15 than minutes.

 Sorry for ranting
 ___
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Re: [HOT] Projects on the HOT OSM Tasking Manager - lots of them

[maning sambale]

We have great training materials to onboard new mappers.  Maybe its
time to focus on developing more materials for validation and recruit
more validators?

The current tasking manager requires you to validate each task.  But,
in most cases, quality of edits depend on a specific mapper.  We can
do validation by user edits instead of by task.  For example, at
Mapbox, we regularly review every edit of our data team (to ensure we
contribute quality data and we are good OSM citizens).  Instead of
going through each task we review all of the edits of the user in a
given project using overpass, JOSM's todo list and validator tools.
See example here:
https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/135#issuecomment-161922079



On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Robert Banick  wrote:
> I think Daniel’s suggestion is a good idea; we don’t make nearly enough use
> of the front page. I would also like the ability to use custom filters,
> perhaps based off the task hashtags?
>
> —
> Sent from Mailbox
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Daniel O'Connor 
> wrote:
>>
>> I raised https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/718 focused
>> only on the front page list/different purposes it serves. Ideas or examples
>> of other 'task priority' UI encouraged.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:40 AM, Jo  wrote:
>>>
>>> Something that baffles me about the TM is that when a task is split, the
>>> original tile seems to disappear from existence, even though people could
>>> still have a reference to it, they will get a not found message and they
>>> can't read the comments anymore.
>>>
>>> As a long time OSM contritbutor, I started doing validation work. I
>>> always try to read the instructions, but I also find I'm jumping between
>>> tasks quite often. It poses its own challenges... Anyway, I tend to prefer
>>> the tasks where not every building needs to be mapped, but sometimes it's
>>> hard to find the middle ground. In a tile where almost nothing is visible,
>>> I'd try to map at least something like the rivers and the occasional
>>> footpath. By mapping the rivers it becomes easier to find the 'roads' where
>>> they cross the rivers. And the rivers are nice reference points by
>>> themselves as well, of course.
>>>
>>> Polyglot
>>>
>>> 2015-12-06 17:58 GMT+01:00 Dale Kunce :

 Ralf and John.
 I don't either of you are ranting but providing good feedback that
 aligns with my own thinking about tasks. I favor smaller tasks that can be
 completed quickly rather than huge tasks that take multiple mappers to
 complete.

 One thing that I think we are moving towards is a set of guidelines for
 TM PMs. This will standardize a lot of language and help keep tasks
 manageable. I'm working on a draft that I'll share with the HOT and TM PM
 lists once it's ready to share.

 Thanks as always for your time.


 On Sun, Dec 6, 2015, 11:35 AM Ralf Stephan  wrote:
>
> The key for moving people from one-time to many-time contribution is
> motivation.
> I have seen volunteers suddenly much more motivated when I commented
> with more
> than a few words on a validation I did. But at least equally important
> is task and tile size.
> Large tasks are tackled more than a few times only by long-time
> contributors. Why have
> such big tasks when there is no hurry? I know I am more motivated if
> tile sizes are small.
> I'm sure it's more so with new contributors, so why have such large
> tiles per default, if
> they aren't completed anyway? Everything is made ever more casual, but
> I need 30-60
> minutes to complete the smallest tile size to my satisfaction. Please
> increase the split
> count AND make the default tile size smaller, or you will never get
> enough completed tiles by people who want to invest rather 15 than 
> minutes.
>
> Sorry for ranting
> ___
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>>>
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[HOT] Projects on the HOT OSM Tasking Manager - lots of them

[Blake Girardot]

Hi everyone,

Dale, among others have been working to update and review all the 
current projects on HOT's main OSM Tasking Manager:


http://tasks.hotosm.org/

After much work on their part, a lot of projects have shifted up in the 
list.


If you have not had a chance to visit the tasking manager lately, it 
would be a great time to do so as there are a lot of new mapping 
projects and existing projects that need mapping.


We really need more regular mappers as we get more and more requests for 
HOT mapping. HOT and OSM's value is being recognized by more and more 
humanitarian organizations and we are very challenged to keep up with 
the requests we get. Any amount of time you can donate to mapping is 
very helpful.


Tweeting and Facebooking out the MapGive "Why Map?" video would also 
make a huge impact. They have easy to click twitter and facebook links 
on their why map page:


http://mapgive.state.gov/why-map/

And there are links to the learn to map videos they make as well.

And of course, while you are tweeting and sharing about HOT, please help 
spread the word about our first ever direct fundraising effort:


https://donate.hotosm.org/

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Re: [HOT] Projects on the HOT OSM Tasking Manager - lots of them

[john whelan]

I'd like to submit it but I'm not sire how.

Sorry John

On 5 December 2015 at 18:12, Dale Kunce  wrote:

> John, I think that is something to consider. Can you submit that as an
> issue on the TM PM github. https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2
>
> Many projects are around 30-50% complete and never seem to get over the
> hurdle to finish up. Overall I don't think its a problem of getting
> projects higher on the page but of TM Project Managers actually working to
> make sure tasks are completed within a reasonable time.
>
> For instance, the two projects at the top of the TM current list are both
> several months old and have extremely low participation rates. Projects
> such as these need more love from their PMs and the HOT community to make
> sure that they are completed. If a project is created with a high level of
> priority those PMs and the HOT community should make every effort to
> complete the task as fast as possible.
>
> When TM PMs are making tasks it would be really good to try and create an
> area that can be completed within a time that would be worthwhile. Projects
> that sit around at 40% for months are not useful for folks on the ground as
> there are gaps an inconsistencies that make the data problematic for
> decision making.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 5:57 PM, john whelan  wrote:
>
>> I note that when looking at the task manager projects with the same
>> priority list the newer projects first.
>>
>> Perhaps it should be the other way round so that some of the older
>> projects get completed?  It would seem that very few projects do get
>> completed and one wonders of the value of a half completed project.
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>> On 5 December 2015 at 14:28, Blake Girardot  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> Dale, among others have been working to update and review all the
>>> current projects on HOT's main OSM Tasking Manager:
>>>
>>> http://tasks.hotosm.org/
>>>
>>> After much work on their part, a lot of projects have shifted up in the
>>> list.
>>>
>>> If you have not had a chance to visit the tasking manager lately, it
>>> would be a great time to do so as there are a lot of new mapping projects
>>> and existing projects that need mapping.
>>>
>>> We really need more regular mappers as we get more and more requests for
>>> HOT mapping. HOT and OSM's value is being recognized by more and more
>>> humanitarian organizations and we are very challenged to keep up with the
>>> requests we get. Any amount of time you can donate to mapping is very
>>> helpful.
>>>
>>> Tweeting and Facebooking out the MapGive "Why Map?" video would also
>>> make a huge impact. They have easy to click twitter and facebook links on
>>> their why map page:
>>>
>>> http://mapgive.state.gov/why-map/
>>>
>>> And there are links to the learn to map videos they make as well.
>>>
>>> And of course, while you are tweeting and sharing about HOT, please help
>>> spread the word about our first ever direct fundraising effort:
>>>
>>> https://donate.hotosm.org/
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Blake
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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