Re: [IAEP] Teacher in OLPC-Sur list enchanted to see his idea integrated, into global Sugar update [First approach] (luis ACEVEDO)
Hi Luis, I believe that Walter updated TurtleArt with a square root function to address this. Was that a satisfactory response? Let us know how that worked for you and the people who requested it. Any comments or input appreciated. What else do teachers and users need? Let's see if we can address some more requests and start to improve the quality of the dialog at the same time. Walter, Essentially the same questions for you. Did that go the way you wanted? I get the impression you wanted teachers to modify the code themselves. Maybe you can elaborate on that. Perhaps you could have asked if anyone wanted to learn how to do it. In the cycle of praxis, there's the action and the reflection. If we're done with the action on this one (still want to hear the final ack) then a little reflection may be in order until we pick the next small challenge. At the same time we can think about what tools work best to address these in the future. I didn't see the bug ID come through dev.laptop.org but I may have missed it. I assume IRC didn't work for Luis either... Thanks, Greg S Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:24:27 + From: luis ACEVEDO [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [IAEP] Teacher in OLPC-Sur list enchanted to see his idea integrated into global Sugar update [First approach] To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello: My name is Luis Acevedo, live in Santiago, Chile. I participate actively in the mailing list OLPC-Sur and is closely monitoring the mailing list Sugar Labs. Yesterday in the Sur- List we had a report about a required feature for Turtle art activity. This is root square function. Teachers found necessary this function in activities like figure 28 and others from this page http://neoparaiso.com/logo/ejercicios-de-geometria.html I suggested to obtain a ticket trac in http://dev.laptop.org/ and to try in the irc channel. Is there a other way like to contact directly the authors? Is this a correct place for this questions? I feel it is a first opportunity to move from discussion to action. Thanks in advance Luis Pato Acevedo www.patricioacevedo.blogspot.com www.ucpn.cl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Teacher in OLPC-Sur list enchanted to see his idea integrated, into global Sugar update [First approach] (luis ACEVEDO)
Hi Greg: TurtleArt-11.xo worked perfectly. My report with teacher´s comment, screenshoots, and pedagogical support (only in spanish) here: http://patricioacevedo.blogspot.com/2008/09/mi-reporte-para-sugar-labs.html I want to try this features: 1.- A Beep function in TurtleArtwithsensors. 2.- A easy way for to write Hello word. I received a report about uruguayan´s kids writing letters with the turtle´s lines, but this way is slow and not fun. Thanks Pato Acevedo www.patricioacevedo.blogspot.com Hi Luis, I believe that Walter updated TurtleArt with a square root function to address this. Was that a satisfactory response? Let us know how that worked for you and the people who requested it. Any comments or input appreciated. What else do teachers and users need? Let's see if we can address some more requests and start to improve the quality of the dialog at the same time. Walter, Essentially the same questions for you. Did that go the way you wanted? I get the impression you wanted teachers to modify the code themselves. Maybe you can elaborate on that. Perhaps you could have asked if anyone wanted to learn how to do it. In the cycle of praxis, there's the action and the reflection. If we're done with the action on this one (still want to hear the final ack) then a little reflection may be in order until we pick the next small challenge. At the same time we can think about what tools work best to address these in the future. I didn't see the bug ID come through dev.laptop.org but I may have missed it. I assume IRC didn't work for Luis either... Thanks, Greg S Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:24:27 + From: luis ACEVEDO [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [IAEP] Teacher in OLPC-Sur list enchanted to see his idea integrated into global Sugar update [First approach] To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello: My name is Luis Acevedo, live in Santiago, Chile. I participate actively in the mailing list OLPC-Sur and is closely monitoring the mailing list Sugar Labs. Yesterday in the Sur- List we had a report about a required feature for Turtle art activity. This is root square function. Teachers found necessary this function in activities like figure 28 and others from this page http://neoparaiso.com/logo/ejercicios-de-geometria.html I suggested to obtain a ticket trac in http://dev.laptop.org/ and to try in the irc channel. Is there a other way like to contact directly the authors? Is this a correct place for this questions? I feel it is a first opportunity to move from discussion to action. Thanks in advance Luis Pato Acevedo www.patricioacevedo.blogspot.com www.ucpn.cl Lo que hay dentro de ti es lo que cuenta - ¿Qué tipo de atleta eres? _ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Teacher in OLPC-Sur list enchanted to see his idea integrated, into global Sugar update [First approach] (luis ACEVEDO)
There are still a few loose ends to tie with the Turtle Art modification. I am trying to make it into somewhat of a case study that can be hopefully a catalyst not just to rote imitation but also to some deductive or model-based thinking about thinking. Also, the exercise has raised a few questions for me about our process that I hope to address/document. I realize that teachers don't have time to be developers, but I aspire that everyone will move towards all kinds of appropriation. Alas, I wish that OLPC had included the chapter on Modifying Sugar in their Help activity... -walter On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:10 PM, luis ACEVEDO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Greg: TurtleArt-11.xo worked perfectly. My report with teacher´s comment, screenshoots, and pedagogical support (only in spanish) here: http://patricioacevedo.blogspot.com/2008/09/mi-reporte-para-sugar-labs.html I want to try this features: 1.- A Beep function in TurtleArtwithsensors. 2.- A easy way for to write Hello word. I received a report about uruguayan´s kids writing letters with the turtle´s lines, but this way is slow and not fun. Thanks Pato Acevedo www.patricioacevedo.blogspot.com Hi Luis, I believe that Walter updated TurtleArt with a square root function to address this. Was that a satisfactory response? Let us know how that worked for you and the people who requested it. Any comments or input appreciated. What else do teachers and users need? Let's see if we can address some more requests and start to improve the quality of the dialog at the same time. Walter, Essentially the same questions for you. Did that go the way you wanted? I get the impression you wanted teachers to modify the code themselves. Maybe you can elaborate on that. Perhaps you could have asked if anyone wanted to learn how to do it. In the cycle of praxis, there's the action and the reflection. If we're done with the action on this one (still want to hear the final ack) then a little reflection may be in order until we pick the next small challenge. At the same time we can think about what tools work best to address these in the future. I didn't see the bug ID come through dev.laptop.org but I may have missed it. I assume IRC didn't work for Luis either... Thanks, Greg S Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:24:27 + From: luis ACEVEDO [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [IAEP] Teacher in OLPC-Sur list enchanted to see his idea integrated into global Sugar update [First approach] To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello: My name is Luis Acevedo, live in Santiago, Chile. I participate actively in the mailing list OLPC-Sur and is closely monitoring the mailing list Sugar Labs. Yesterday in the Sur- List we had a report about a required feature for Turtle art activity. This is root square function. Teachers found necessary this function in activities like figure 28 and others from this page http://neoparaiso.com/logo/ejercicios-de-geometria.html I suggested to obtain a ticket trac in http://dev.laptop.org/ and to try in the irc channel. Is there a other way like to contact directly the authors? Is this a correct place for this questions? I feel it is a first opportunity to move from discussion to action. Thanks in advance Luis Pato Acevedo www.patricioacevedo.blogspot.com www.ucpn.cl Lo que hay dentro de ti es lo que cuenta - ¿Qué tipo de atleta eres? ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Teacher in OLPC-Sur list enchanted to see his idea integrated, into global Sugar update [First approach] (luis ACEVEDO)
Hello, On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: There are still a few loose ends to tie with the Turtle Art modification. I am trying to make it into somewhat of a case study that can be hopefully a catalyst not just to rote imitation but also to some deductive or model-based thinking about thinking. Also, the exercise has raised a few questions for me about our process that I hope to address/document. I realize that teachers don't have time to be developers, but I aspire that everyone will move towards all kinds of appropriation. Alas, I wish that OLPC had included the chapter on Modifying Sugar in their Help activity... -walter I get the feeling from the field that a guide for customizing and modifying Sugar would be very beneficial and fun for kids and teachers, also would be a good tool to appropriate the technology. Kids are always asking about ways to make the computer more like them ;). On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:10 PM, luis ACEVEDO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Greg: TurtleArt-11.xo worked perfectly. My report with teacher´s comment, screenshoots, and pedagogical support (only in spanish) here: http://patricioacevedo.blogspot.com/2008/09/mi-reporte-para-sugar-labs.html I want to try this features: 1.- A Beep function in TurtleArtwithsensors. 2.- A easy way for to write Hello word. I received a report about uruguayan´s kids writing letters with the turtle´s lines, but this way is slow and not fun. Thanks Pato Acevedo www.patricioacevedo.blogspot.com Hi Luis, I believe that Walter updated TurtleArt with a square root function to address this. Was that a satisfactory response? Let us know how that worked for you and the people who requested it. Any comments or input appreciated. What else do teachers and users need? Let's see if we can address some more requests and start to improve the quality of the dialog at the same time. Walter, Essentially the same questions for you. Did that go the way you wanted? I get the impression you wanted teachers to modify the code themselves. Maybe you can elaborate on that. Perhaps you could have asked if anyone wanted to learn how to do it. In the cycle of praxis, there's the action and the reflection. If we're done with the action on this one (still want to hear the final ack) then a little reflection may be in order until we pick the next small challenge. At the same time we can think about what tools work best to address these in the future. I didn't see the bug ID come through dev.laptop.org but I may have missed it. I assume IRC didn't work for Luis either... Thanks, Greg S Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:24:27 + From: luis ACEVEDO [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [IAEP] Teacher in OLPC-Sur list enchanted to see his idea integrated into global Sugar update [First approach] To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello: My name is Luis Acevedo, live in Santiago, Chile. I participate actively in the mailing list OLPC-Sur and is closely monitoring the mailing list Sugar Labs. Yesterday in the Sur- List we had a report about a required feature for Turtle art activity. This is root square function. Teachers found necessary this function in activities like figure 28 and others from this page http://neoparaiso.com/logo/ejercicios-de-geometria.html I suggested to obtain a ticket trac in http://dev.laptop.org/ and to try in the irc channel. Is there a other way like to contact directly the authors? Is this a correct place for this questions? I feel it is a first opportunity to move from discussion to action. Thanks in advance Luis Pato Acevedo www.patricioacevedo.blogspot.com www.ucpn.cl Lo que hay dentro de ti es lo que cuenta - ¿Qué tipo de atleta eres? ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Rafael Ortiz ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Teacher in OLPC-Sur list enchanted to see his idea integrated, into global Sugar update [First approach] (luis ACEVEDO)
I'm a teacher who still observing all this, but who is potentially interested - if time ever permitted - in attempting such code improvements / tinkering Not being a python or linux type though, I found Walter's example http://sugarlabs.org/go/Patching_Turtle_Art illuminating as to what sort of process / degree of difficulty / skill set would be needed to do this so for me at least, I'd see some real value in that sort of case study/ documentation ... (nice scaffold for teachers / newcomers) my feeling, for what its worth, is that are only a very small percentage (1%) of teachers who would have the technical confidence/background/interest to learn /apply this (and maybe 0.01 % would already possess the skills) Figures would be roughly the right order of magnitude I think ...although 1% is possibly on the generous side, here at least 1% of the numbers involved might be useful though; and distributed community can still exist in that space (and with kids the percentages might go up ... eg I could see a number of my high school students getting involved, if it was accessible enough...if they had cut their teeth on scratch / turtle / e-toys for instance, and then had some pathway into the more textual programming / admin needed do that... For what its worth Rob Walter, Essentially the same questions for you. Did that go the way you wanted? I get the impression you wanted teachers to modify the code themselves. Maybe you can elaborate on that. Perhaps you could have asked if anyone wanted to learn how to do it. In the cycle of praxis, there's the action and the reflection. If we're done with the action on this one (still want to hear the final ack) then a little reflection may be in order until we pick the next small challenge. At the same time we can think about what tools work best to address these in the future. I didn't see the bug ID come through dev.laptop.org but I may have missed it. I assume IRC didn't work for Luis either... Thanks, Greg S Important - This email and any attachments may be confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files our liability is limited to resupplying any affected attachments. Any representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender, and not necessarily those of the Department of Education and Early Childhood Development. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
