[IAEP] FUDcon + XOCamp talks
Hello, so we are going to be officially present at FUDcon and I assume some of us will also stay for XOCamp. Is anyone planning to give talks? Here is what I have in mind. I think Simon also had something. FUDcon: * Discussion about packaging activities. xo vs rpm, how do solve maintenance problems etc. * Newbie oriented class about hacking on Sugar and activities. XOCamp: * What new features and improvements 0.84 will bring to OLPC users. * Coordination between upstream (Sugar) and downstream (OLPC), regarding testing and bug triaging, development, schedules. Anyway, how does these sounds? Anyone interested to help me out with any of them? What are everyone else plans? Marco ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] FUDcon + XOCamp talks
I would love to also hear a discussion about what Sugar features we should be targeting for incorporation upstream as more general utilities--e.g., upstream collaboration tools, upstream data-store tools, etc. This would give us more long-term stability and broaden our reach. -walter On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 4:31 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti marc...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hello, so we are going to be officially present at FUDcon and I assume some of us will also stay for XOCamp. Is anyone planning to give talks? Here is what I have in mind. I think Simon also had something. FUDcon: * Discussion about packaging activities. xo vs rpm, how do solve maintenance problems etc. * Newbie oriented class about hacking on Sugar and activities. XOCamp: * What new features and improvements 0.84 will bring to OLPC users. * Coordination between upstream (Sugar) and downstream (OLPC), regarding testing and bug triaging, development, schedules. Anyway, how does these sounds? Anyone interested to help me out with any of them? What are everyone else plans? Marco ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Web4dev
I think I have not seen this mentioned here yet - just got sent a reminder of the invitation: The Fifth Annual United Nations’ Web4Dev conference, hosted by UNICEF in 2009, will bring together global thought leaders and innovators from the United Nations, academia, the development and private sectors to focus on the importance of strategic partnerships, innovation and new technology for achieving the Millennium Development Goals. February 11-13, 2009, UNICEF New York http://www.web4dev.org/ - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Request for help packaging activities for Sugar on a Stick
Dear Sugar Activity Maintainers and other volunteers with packaging abilities, We would love your help in packaging your Sugar Activities so they can be used with Sugar on a Stick. What is Sugar on a Stick? It is a Live USB based distribution of Sugar. The idea is to give each student a full Sugar experience on any computer they have access to with just the cost of a 1 or 2 GB USB stick. This could make make Sugar very affordable in US urban schools, many of which have older computers already, and are in the shadows of corporations that throw out hunderds and thousands of computers each year. We will be starting a Pilot of Sugar on a Stick at Gardner School, an urban Boston School with 90% eligibility for free and reduced lunch. We have people around the world ready to try it. It could be a promising way to use containers full of computers in Africa, it could be a great way to let people try Sugar at conferences and an easy way for people to learn to use Sugar. We have the basics working - http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick But Sugar without activities is boring!! We need you and your activities! Please help us get activities quickly ported to Sugar on a Stick, we have a lot of people pounding on our doors to try it. Here is the status of activities packaging: http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Activities_packaging - Marco is coordinating the technical effort if you have any questions or need help. Thanks! Caroline Marco -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Request for help packaging activities for Sugar on a Stick
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: Here is the status of activities packaging: http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Activities_packaging - Marco is coordinating the technical effort if you have any questions or need help. Also if you want other cool activities packaged in SoaS and in the various distributions, please list them on the wiki page! Marco ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Ncomputing
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 17:58, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: I have recently done a bunch of bug reports relating to better working under both sugar/ubuntu and sugar/ubuntu/ltsp. I'm using launchpad, because that is the home of LTSP and Ubuntu too (and I like its simplicty.) I've recently tested a cross collaboration setup with thin terminals, non xo netbooks, and XOs... They all collaborated and persistently remained in network neighbourhood without problems, even if the XOs were using salut. Though Using a ejabberd server was obviously more consistent. I tested many activities, some of which worked, some of which didn't, but this was more due to Ubuntu than LTSP per se. I'm now testing LTSP with F10 Sugar too, but I believe the problems will be common across distros. There should be a new article about this at olpcnews.com soon. My point above, though, was really to indicate when focusing on future Sugar and its activities, there should be testing and bug fixing in this area too. I am very happy to help with that to make the LTSP Sugar experience common place across existing labs in schools. Here in Vienna, we have been asked to expand the existing XO pilot with non xos, and will be using a combination of sugar usb sticks/cds and LTSP One thing we spoke about here locally was getting some thin client device that was really certified to work with Sugar and whatever distro... It would be a necessary requirement for country level deployments... Sounds good, what's the work that needs to be done in order to reach there? Thanks, Tomeu Kind Regards, David Van Assche On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: The Resara guys have done a lot of good work in this area already. They made a report at Sugar Camp, but I don't know if there are associated tickets. -walter On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 15:18, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: LTSP deployments range in the millions worldwide, and are definitely a necessary target for Sugar. Macedonia is just a small example of what has been done elsewhere with terminals that are far cheaper than the falsely advertised $100 laptops. In Brazil alone, there are millions of computers running LTSP on top of k12linux or edubuntu. Sugar Labs should be taking serious notice of thin client technology and adapting the UI to work for it. I agree with you. Do we have an idea of what needs to be done to sugar in order to adapt it as best as possible to LTSP environments? Would be nice to have a tracker ticket in dev.sugarlabs.org about LTSP improvements. Thanks, Tomeu LTSP has been around for 10 years now, and as much as people talk about cloud computing, thin clients are getting more available and common, not less... kind Regards, David Van Assche www.nubae.com On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 6:13 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: I had a pissing match with their founder in the WSJ about a year ago... I saw that written up at OLPC News. Yes, Ncomputing is still at it, just like Intel and Microsoft. Competition, you know. Can't have that. ^_^ I didn't get any straight answers from him about costs or learning. Nothing usable on the site yesterday. Most of the site is down today. But Sugar on their Ubuntu thin client sounds doable. Perhaps we should have a word with Macedonia and some other countries. We can't leave all of the sales work to Nicholas any more. http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2007/09/17/226807/macedonia-rolls-out-ncomputing-clients-for-all-school.htm 180,000 units 1.8 M in India... -walter On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: Has anybody evaluated Ncomputing's claims on cost, power, and the like for school deployments? For example, http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Interview/Stephen_Dukker_CEO_Ncomputing/articleshow/3820649.cms http://www.ncomputing.com/republic-of-macedonia.aspx They run Ubuntu (or Windows) over thin clients, so they could run Sugar once the packaging problems are fixed (The journal currently saves precisely nothing). Has anybody talked with them? -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai
Re: [IAEP] Request for help packaging activities for Sugar on a Stick
Hi Caroline, But Sugar without activities is boring!! We need you and your activities! Please help us get activities quickly ported to Sugar on a Stick, we have a lot of people pounding on our doors to try it. I don't suggest waiting for activities to be packaged, and no porting should be required: can't you just preinstall a bunch of .xo files? Thanks, - Chris. -- Chris Ball c...@laptop.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Request for help packaging activities for Sugar on a Stick
Hi Caroline, I clicked on the various links to see the status of Write but I couldn't see anything. Is it already on SoaS? Cheers Martin On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 3:53 AM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: Dear Sugar Activity Maintainers and other volunteers with packaging abilities, We would love your help in packaging your Sugar Activities so they can be used with Sugar on a Stick. What is Sugar on a Stick? It is a Live USB based distribution of Sugar. The idea is to give each student a full Sugar experience on any computer they have access to with just the cost of a 1 or 2 GB USB stick. This could make make Sugar very affordable in US urban schools, many of which have older computers already, and are in the shadows of corporations that throw out hunderds and thousands of computers each year. We will be starting a Pilot of Sugar on a Stick at Gardner School, an urban Boston School with 90% eligibility for free and reduced lunch. We have people around the world ready to try it. It could be a promising way to use containers full of computers in Africa, it could be a great way to let people try Sugar at conferences and an easy way for people to learn to use Sugar. We have the basics working - http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick But Sugar without activities is boring!! We need you and your activities! Please help us get activities quickly ported to Sugar on a Stick, we have a lot of people pounding on our doors to try it. Here is the status of activities packaging: http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Activities_packaging - Marco is coordinating the technical effort if you have any questions or need help. Thanks! Caroline Marco -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Request for help packaging activities for Sugar on a Stick
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: Hi Caroline, But Sugar without activities is boring!! We need you and your activities! Please help us get activities quickly ported to Sugar on a Stick, we have a lot of people pounding on our doors to try it. I don't suggest waiting for activities to be packaged, and no porting should be required: can't you just preinstall a bunch of .xo files? Hello, we are not going to block on it. The plan is to continue to package activities and hopefully to do it faster. And at the same time to make .xo work better on SoaS (also I need to figure out how to best install .xo from the livecd kickstart, it's pretty painful). Then I'm looking forward for a good discussion at FUDcon about .xo and normal distribution packaging. That said, unfortunately, the hardest problems are in the system differences between Fedora and the OLPC images (sugar-evince, csound, olpcgames problems, tamtam performance hacks, xulrunner patches etc). Marco ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Request for help packaging activities for Sugar on a Stick
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:59:34PM +0100, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: [snip] That said, unfortunately, the hardest problems are in the system differences between Fedora and the OLPC images (sugar-evince, csound, olpcgames problems, tamtam performance hacks, xulrunner patches etc). Are these differences documented somewhere? Perhaps even isolated in patchsets against upstream code? I believe it is beneficial to all distributors (other than OLPC itself) to understand what hacks have actually been applied there. As an example, I help maintain CSound for Debian (which turned out to be a major task due to the code size and odd build framework) as it is needed for TamTam and others. Ideally same source package should be used for both normal users of CSound and Sugar integration. I would be happy to know about any Sugar- or OLPC-specific hacks that we might consider applying to Debian even if not (yet) passed upstream to the CSound developers and integrated with official mainline CSound. Generally it is a major headache for generic distributors like Debian and Fedora (and derivatives like Skolelinux/Debian-edu that use upstream packages as-is without patching and recompiling) to deal with forks/hacks to backend codebases. - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAklNhHcACgkQn7DbMsAkQLhZGQCghfqDRSAwT0W9qIlfXppOO0Gz 3o4Anjg1oONSmDh1PeJimHLmQ1hzILn6 =6gDW -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
