Re: [IAEP] Lots of Interest in SoaS at CUE
I like your Grannies Guides idea, and am passing it on to Adam Hyde of FLOSS Manuals. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Greetings from the CUE (Computer Using Educators) conference in Palm Springs. There has been a lot of interest in SoaS here. Some folks I have talked with are quite tech savvy and will probably have no problem going to our web site and downloading the software successfully to run on their computers. I gave all of them the url that will let them do that. However, there are a lot of educators who do not have the technical knowledge to do it. I will admit that, at the moment, I am one of them. However, I plan to make all of that change! With the help of some of you, I hope to successfully master the process well enough to write another one of my plain-English Grannies Guides. We could call this Grannies Guide to making and using Sugar on A Stick. It will be something that will let any educator (or anyone else) who wants to run Sugar on their non-XO machine, do it. I'll need lots of help doing this. Anyone want to help? I have one more day at the conference and I have lots of things to catch up on when I get home so I won't be able to start on this for a week or so. Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.net/ (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org: Auto-discard notification]
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Re: [IAEP] updating the Sugar manual for 8.4 release
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 10:31:39PM -0500, Anne Gentle wrote: With the new 8.4 release coming up in a very short time, I've read through the users guide and the release notes Are OLPC planning an 8.4 release of their XO-specific distribution? If not, I suspect that you are actually referring to the 0.84 release of the Sugar desktop. In the past, the XO distribution, Sugar desktop and individual parts of Sugar have used similar looking numbers for their releases. Please be careful what you are referring to, and use correct version number for it. Especially if it ends up in documentation. Kind regards, - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkm2NAEACgkQn7DbMsAkQLjF2gCfVWqeY5EC6i6oH+YXPdqflmbX 2eoAnA1s4VIttCVPtY2aDNCmHD3W2jVN =k6yF -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] updating the Sugar manual for 8.4 release
Hi Anne, I've been confused too and we have worked out a way forward: The version number of Sugar which will be launched this Monday the 16th is 0.84 When Sugar on a Stick is ready in Q3 of this year, it will be version 1.0 thanks Sean Marketing Coordinator On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 10:31:39PM -0500, Anne Gentle wrote: With the new 8.4 release coming up in a very short time, I've read through the users guide and the release notes Are OLPC planning an 8.4 release of their XO-specific distribution? If not, I suspect that you are actually referring to the 0.84 release of the Sugar desktop. In the past, the XO distribution, Sugar desktop and individual parts of Sugar have used similar looking numbers for their releases. Please be careful what you are referring to, and use correct version number for it. Especially if it ends up in documentation. Kind regards, - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkm2NAEACgkQn7DbMsAkQLjF2gCfVWqeY5EC6i6oH+YXPdqflmbX 2eoAnA1s4VIttCVPtY2aDNCmHD3W2jVN =k6yF -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [FM Discuss] updating the Sugar manual for 0.84 release
My apologies. I hear eight four and transcribe in my head to eight dot four, but it is point eight four. Thanks for clarifying. Thank you Walter for signing up for chapters! Also, Sean, thank you for the date update. Let's make our goal 3/16 instead of 3/13. I'm delighted to get three more days. Thanks, On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Anne Gentle annegen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all - I'm Anne Gentle and I've been working as a volunteer with FLOSS Manuals to coordinate the Sugar and OLPC documentation over the last year and a half. [snip] I'd like for people to jump in on any chapter they can help with. Ideally we can complete revisions and screenshot updates by March 13th to coordinate with the software release itself. I'll keep an eye on the content on that date and determine the best course of action, but I'd like to keep that as our goal. Register for a login with FLOSS Manuals if you do not already have one at http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Main/UserRegistration?origurl=/bin/view/Main/WebHome . [snip] The Frame - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/TheFrame Double-check all screenshots and descriptions to ensure they still match current reality. The Journal - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/TheJournal Double-check all screenshots and descriptions to ensure they still match current reality. I'll volunteer for this one. Personalizing Sugar - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/Personalising This chapter is about the control panel. I believe the Control Panel screen has changed (for example, it no longer says About your XO). Frame Configuration may have changed. Software Update may have changed. Launching Activities - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/LaunchingActivities Resuming from Journal may have changed. Journal inteface may have changed requiring screenshot updates. Turtle Art's interface has changed and the screenshot should be updated. Frame icons around Stop may have changed. Installing Activities - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/InstallingActivities All of this chapter's screenshots should be updateed to show where you download Activities now. I am hoping the team that built the addons site (activities.sugarlabs.org) would be the correct group to work on a refactoring of this chapter. Activities Sampler - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/FindingActivities Turtle Art screenshot should be changed. Double-check all screenshots and descriptions to ensure they still match current reality. Add InfoSlicer Activity in the sampler set and take a screenshot. See if other Activities have been added that belong in the sampler. I can help with this one too. Turtle Art Demonstration - http://flossmanuals.net/write/WebHome/TurtleArt/ Double-check all screenshots and descriptions to ensure they still match current reality. Getting Connected - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/ConnectingNetwork The Frame screenshot after Step 4: Checking the connection should be checked. I don't think the rest of the screenshots need to change but do double-check. Backing Up - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/BackingUp Double-check all screenshots and descriptions to ensure they still match current reality. Conserving Disk Space - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/ConservingDiskspace Double-check all screenshots and descriptions to ensure they still match current reality. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Discuss mailing list disc...@lists.flossmanuals.net http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net -- Anne Gentle email: annegen...@justwriteclick.com blog: www.justwriteclick.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [FM Discuss] updating the Sugar manual for 0.84 release
Well... that's 9:00 AM EST on Monday, so maybe Sunday night is more accurate The possibility exists there will be a wave of traffic, so the sonner the better ;-) thanks Anne Sean On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Anne Gentle annegen...@gmail.com wrote: My apologies. I hear eight four and transcribe in my head to eight dot four, but it is point eight four. Thanks for clarifying. Thank you Walter for signing up for chapters! Also, Sean, thank you for the date update. Let's make our goal 3/16 instead of 3/13. I'm delighted to get three more days. Thanks, On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Anne Gentle annegen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all - I'm Anne Gentle and I've been working as a volunteer with FLOSS Manuals to coordinate the Sugar and OLPC documentation over the last year and a half. [snip] I'd like for people to jump in on any chapter they can help with. Ideally we can complete revisions and screenshot updates by March 13th to coordinate with the software release itself. I'll keep an eye on the content on that date and determine the best course of action, but I'd like to keep that as our goal. Register for a login with FLOSS Manuals if you do not already have one at http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Main/UserRegistration?origurl=/bin/view/Main/WebHome. [snip] The Frame - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/TheFrame Double-check all screenshots and descriptions to ensure they still match current reality. The Journal - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/TheJournal Double-check all screenshots and descriptions to ensure they still match current reality. I'll volunteer for this one. Personalizing Sugar - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/Personalising This chapter is about the control panel. I believe the Control Panel screen has changed (for example, it no longer says About your XO). Frame Configuration may have changed. Software Update may have changed. Launching Activities - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/LaunchingActivities Resuming from Journal may have changed. Journal inteface may have changed requiring screenshot updates. Turtle Art's interface has changed and the screenshot should be updated. Frame icons around Stop may have changed. Installing Activities - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/InstallingActivities All of this chapter's screenshots should be updateed to show where you download Activities now. I am hoping the team that built the addons site (activities.sugarlabs.org) would be the correct group to work on a refactoring of this chapter. Activities Sampler - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/FindingActivities Turtle Art screenshot should be changed. Double-check all screenshots and descriptions to ensure they still match current reality. Add InfoSlicer Activity in the sampler set and take a screenshot. See if other Activities have been added that belong in the sampler. I can help with this one too. Turtle Art Demonstration - http://flossmanuals.net/write/WebHome/TurtleArt/ Double-check all screenshots and descriptions to ensure they still match current reality. Getting Connected - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/ConnectingNetwork The Frame screenshot after Step 4: Checking the connection should be checked. I don't think the rest of the screenshots need to change but do double-check. Backing Up - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/BackingUp Double-check all screenshots and descriptions to ensure they still match current reality. Conserving Disk Space - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/ConservingDiskspace Double-check all screenshots and descriptions to ensure they still match current reality. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Discuss mailing list disc...@lists.flossmanuals.net http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net -- Anne Gentle email: annegen...@justwriteclick.com blog: www.justwriteclick.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] updating the Sugar manual for 8.4 release
Anne Gentle wrote: Installing Activities - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/InstallingActivities All of this chapter's screenshots should be updateed to show where you download Activities now. Ok, the screenshot for Etoys is updated. By the way, there is no Etoys manual yet. Anne, could you add an entry for Etoys Activity, so that we can start writing a manual? greetings, Rita -- Rita Freudenberg FIN-ISG Otto-von-Guericke-Universität Magdeburg http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/isg/rita.html ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] updating the Sugar manual for 8.4 release
Rita Freudenberg wrote: Anne Gentle wrote: Installing Activities - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/InstallingActivities All of this chapter's screenshots should be updateed to show where you download Activities now. Sorry, I didn't update the InstallingActivities, but the FindingActivities site here: http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/FindingActivities Rita Ok, the screenshot for Etoys is updated. By the way, there is no Etoys manual yet. Anne, could you add an entry for Etoys Activity, so that we can start writing a manual? greetings, Rita -- Rita Freudenberg FIN-ISG Otto-von-Guericke-Universität Magdeburg http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/isg/rita.html ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [FM Discuss] updating the Sugar manual for 0.84 release
On 3/10/09, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Well... that's 9:00 AM EST on Monday, so maybe Sunday night is more accurate The possibility exists there will be a wave of traffic, so the sonner the better ;-) thanks Anne Sean On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Anne Gentle annegen...@gmail.com wrote: My apologies. I hear eight four and transcribe in my head to eight dot four, but it is point eight four. Thanks for clarifying. Thank you Walter for signing up for chapters! Also, Sean, thank you for the date update. Let's make our goal 3/16 instead of 3/13. I'm delighted to get three more days. Thanks, On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Anne Gentle annegen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all - I'm Anne Gentle and I've been working as a volunteer with FLOSS Manuals to coordinate the Sugar and OLPC documentation over the last year and a half. [snip] I'd like for people to jump in on any chapter they can help with. Ideally we can complete revisions and screenshot updates by March 13th to coordinate with the software release itself. I'll keep an eye on the content on that date and determine the best course of action, but I'd like to keep that as our goal. Register for a login with FLOSS Manuals if you do not already have one at http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Main/UserRegistration?origurl=/bin/view/Main/WebHome. [snip] The Frame - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/TheFrame Double-check all screenshots and descriptions to ensure they still match current reality. The Journal - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/TheJournal Double-check all screenshots and descriptions to ensure they still match current reality. I'll volunteer for this one. Personalizing Sugar - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/Personalising This chapter is about the control panel. I believe the Control Panel screen has changed (for example, it no longer says About your XO). Frame Configuration may have changed. Software Update may have changed. Launching Activities - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/LaunchingActivities Resuming from Journal may have changed. Journal inteface may have changed requiring screenshot updates. Turtle Art's interface has changed and the screenshot should be updated. Frame icons around Stop may have changed. Installing Activities - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/InstallingActivities All of this chapter's screenshots should be updateed to show where you download Activities now. I am hoping the team that built the addons site (activities.sugarlabs.org) would be the correct group to work on a refactoring of this chapter. I'll take a.sl.o. But be prepared to help the newbie:) I am going to have a lot of questions on how to correctly do screen shots. david Activities Sampler - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/FindingActivities Turtle Art screenshot should be changed. Double-check all screenshots and descriptions to ensure they still match current reality. Add InfoSlicer Activity in the sampler set and take a screenshot. See if other Activities have been added that belong in the sampler. I can help with this one too. Turtle Art Demonstration - http://flossmanuals.net/write/WebHome/TurtleArt/ Double-check all screenshots and descriptions to ensure they still match current reality. Getting Connected - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/ConnectingNetwork The Frame screenshot after Step 4: Checking the connection should be checked. I don't think the rest of the screenshots need to change but do double-check. Backing Up - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/BackingUp Double-check all screenshots and descriptions to ensure they still match current reality. Conserving Disk Space - http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/ConservingDiskspace Double-check all screenshots and descriptions to ensure they still match current reality. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Discuss mailing list disc...@lists.flossmanuals.net http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net -- Anne Gentle email: annegen...@justwriteclick.com blog: www.justwriteclick.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
[IAEP] Sugar Digest 2009-03-10
=== Sugar Digest === 1. Now that the Sugar community and the Release Team have wrapped up 0.84, it is time to talk about our “Big Overarching Vision Goals for 2009” I've written some notes in order to kick off the discussion. '''What are our objectives?''' In an era of ''limited resources'' there is still pressure to equate 21st Century skills with learning to use Microsoft Office; it is more important than ever to promote the use of free software that encourages learners to acquire critical-thinking skills, and to further the development of diverse communities of development and support around the needs of teachers and learnings. Children are not office workers and nothing in their future will resemble office work from 30-years ago. Our collective future is dependent on our children's ability to develop creative problem-solving and collaboration skills, which is not the same as “excelling” in the use of one word processor versus another. '''What are our strategies for achieving these objectives?''' While there are hundreds of instances of powerful learning tools, there are only a handful of efforts to create learning platforms. Sugar is such a platform. It is not a one-size-fits-all solution to learning—the one right way; rather is about a change in culture: computing as a resource employed by the learner as opposed to a service provided to the learner. Sugar is new; it is incomplete; it has its rough edges. Over time, it will become more refined. But Sugar will always be demanding: We impose a level of discomfort because we demand a level of engagement missing from most educational software: Sugar is about the “hard fun” of learning as opposed to the facility of empty consumption. It takes time to make a deep, systemic impact that results in a change in culture. Our collective efforts at Sugar Labs have influence, but the many challenges posed by the economic crisis, budget cuts, the energy crisis, global communication, “clash of civilizations”, etc. are mandating real change to the status quo. We have to be cognizant of these external influences. '''What are our short- and long-term (measurable) goals?''' Growth is an ambitious goal during a global recession; nonetheless, the goals for Sugar Labs in 2009 are to grow its community, broaden its code base, and most important, increase the number of children using Sugar. While the core of the Sugar software development community is tremendously dedicated, tireless and talented, we are always going to be in need of more hands. While we have been growing this community incrementally—your enthusiasm is infectious—step-wise growth will occur when local Sugar Labs start coming on line. The launch of a half-dozen “labs” that engage local high-school and university students in making real contributions to global free software project in not an unreasonable goal for 2009 and it would easily double the size of development community. Coupled with growing the software development community is growing the Sugar education community. We are beginning to cultivate a climate where the teachers who have been using Sugar in their classrooms are comfortable engaging in discussions among themselves and in some cases, with the development community. This trend is especially evident on the Sur list and in the blog sphere. Their feedback has been of tremendous value. But most teachers not actually part of a Sugar deployment are hardly aware of Sugar and until they make the transition from awareness to giving it their attention, they will not be engaged. Building a Sugar presence in the forums that teachers habituate is an important goal for 2009. Sugar is a learning platform, so it is only relevant when it is in the hands of learners. By the end of 2009, we'll have reached over one-million children through Sugar deployments on OLPC-XO-1 computers. It is an ambitious but reasonable goal to reach as many children through other means of distributing Sugar as well: Sugar on netbooks; Sugar on a Stick; Sugar deployed through a terminal server. We have laid the ground-work over the past six months, working with the packaging teams of a number of GNU/Linux distributions; now is the time to leverage those efforts. '''What are the means of getting there?''' Getting our message out—also known as marketing—is a key to our growth. We've been living under the shadow of One Laptop per Child, which has meant that we have been able to focus on creating great tools arguable without (many) distractions. This has changed and in response, our marketing team has stepped up the clarity and quality of its efforts. (I am particular excited about the possibility of the viral marketing of Sugar.) However, we are being diligent about not over promising—we will stand behind our message. On the technical front, we will be spending the next few months setting the goals for Sucrose-0.86. High on my list are better integration of SWF, Javascript, and non-Sugarized applications in general. I
Re: [IAEP] Lots of Interest in SoaS at CUE
Hi Ed and all, Actually, I worked on the FLOSS manuals during the book sprint last summer...connecting from my log cabin in MT. I plan to work on them again soon, but am currently swamped with follow-up work with all the names I collected at the two conferences I took XOs to in the last 3 weeks. The Grannies Guides should live in several places. The 2 that are currently available, connecting and updating, are available both on the OLPC wiki and in rtfm. I put the same sort of easy-to-follow instructions in the parts of the FLOSS manuals I worked on last August. I would also like to see a FLOSS manual for the TamTam suite. So far the best reference I have found for it is the guide in Spanish by Mochilla Digital. Their screenshots are outdated, but the text is still helpful...if you know Spanish (fortunately I do). Caryl Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:12:01 -0700 Subject: Re: [IAEP] Lots of Interest in SoaS at CUE From: echer...@gmail.com To: cbige...@hotmail.com CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; a...@flossmanuals.net I like your Grannies Guides idea, and am passing it on to Adam Hyde of FLOSS Manuals. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Greetings from the CUE (Computer Using Educators) conference in Palm Springs. There has been a lot of interest in SoaS here. Some folks I have talked with are quite tech savvy and will probably have no problem going to our web site and downloading the software successfully to run on their computers. I gave all of them the url that will let them do that. However, there are a lot of educators who do not have the technical knowledge to do it. I will admit that, at the moment, I am one of them. However, I plan to make all of that change! With the help of some of you, I hope to successfully master the process well enough to write another one of my plain-English Grannies Guides. We could call this Grannies Guide to making and using Sugar on A Stick. It will be something that will let any educator (or anyone else) who wants to run Sugar on their non-XO machine, do it. I'll need lots of help doing this. Anyone want to help? I have one more day at the conference and I have lots of things to catch up on when I get home so I won't be able to start on this for a week or so. Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.net/ (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Video chat contact
Hi all, after several attempts I finally managed to get the Video Chat activity (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Video_Chat) working so Freemor and I could talk for a little while. However we also ran into a couple of very odd issues, e.g. my Video Chat instance disappeared from the frame as soon we were connected, however audio still worked and Freemor was able to see the feed from my camera. Anyway, now I was wondering who to contact wrt these issues, the wiki page doesn't seem to contain any contact information and the Trac entries also only point to a somewhat generic sounding Collabora account. Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2009-03-10
Walter, Very nice tone. As we near the release window, it opens up the conversation from the immediately actionable to the possible. Now that the culture and rhythm 'getting things done' is pretty well established, I hope we can start encouraging those academic papers and interesting new technologies. david On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: === Sugar Digest === 1. Now that the Sugar community and the Release Team have wrapped up 0.84, it is time to talk about our “Big Overarching Vision Goals for 2009” I've written some notes in order to kick off the discussion. '''What are our objectives?''' In an era of ''limited resources'' there is still pressure to equate 21st Century skills with learning to use Microsoft Office; it is more important than ever to promote the use of free software that encourages learners to acquire critical-thinking skills, and to further the development of diverse communities of development and support around the needs of teachers and learnings. Children are not office workers and nothing in their future will resemble office work from 30-years ago. Our collective future is dependent on our children's ability to develop creative problem-solving and collaboration skills, which is not the same as “excelling” in the use of one word processor versus another. '''What are our strategies for achieving these objectives?''' While there are hundreds of instances of powerful learning tools, there are only a handful of efforts to create learning platforms. Sugar is such a platform. It is not a one-size-fits-all solution to learning—the one right way; rather is about a change in culture: computing as a resource employed by the learner as opposed to a service provided to the learner. Sugar is new; it is incomplete; it has its rough edges. Over time, it will become more refined. But Sugar will always be demanding: We impose a level of discomfort because we demand a level of engagement missing from most educational software: Sugar is about the “hard fun” of learning as opposed to the facility of empty consumption. It takes time to make a deep, systemic impact that results in a change in culture. Our collective efforts at Sugar Labs have influence, but the many challenges posed by the economic crisis, budget cuts, the energy crisis, global communication, “clash of civilizations”, etc. are mandating real change to the status quo. We have to be cognizant of these external influences. '''What are our short- and long-term (measurable) goals?''' Growth is an ambitious goal during a global recession; nonetheless, the goals for Sugar Labs in 2009 are to grow its community, broaden its code base, and most important, increase the number of children using Sugar. While the core of the Sugar software development community is tremendously dedicated, tireless and talented, we are always going to be in need of more hands. While we have been growing this community incrementally—your enthusiasm is infectious—step-wise growth will occur when local Sugar Labs start coming on line. The launch of a half-dozen “labs” that engage local high-school and university students in making real contributions to global free software project in not an unreasonable goal for 2009 and it would easily double the size of development community. Coupled with growing the software development community is growing the Sugar education community. We are beginning to cultivate a climate where the teachers who have been using Sugar in their classrooms are comfortable engaging in discussions among themselves and in some cases, with the development community. This trend is especially evident on the Sur list and in the blog sphere. Their feedback has been of tremendous value. But most teachers not actually part of a Sugar deployment are hardly aware of Sugar and until they make the transition from awareness to giving it their attention, they will not be engaged. Building a Sugar presence in the forums that teachers habituate is an important goal for 2009. Sugar is a learning platform, so it is only relevant when it is in the hands of learners. By the end of 2009, we'll have reached over one-million children through Sugar deployments on OLPC-XO-1 computers. It is an ambitious but reasonable goal to reach as many children through other means of distributing Sugar as well: Sugar on netbooks; Sugar on a Stick; Sugar deployed through a terminal server. We have laid the ground-work over the past six months, working with the packaging teams of a number of GNU/Linux distributions; now is the time to leverage those efforts. '''What are the means of getting there?''' Getting our message out—also known as marketing—is a key to our growth. We've been living under the shadow of One Laptop per Child, which has meant that we have been able to focus on creating great tools arguable without (many) distractions. This has changed and in
[IAEP] New sugarlabs website
Congratulations on the new website. It looks great. The designer did a wonderful job of listening to feedback, which isn't easy. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] New sugarlabs website
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 21:46, Carol Farlow Lerche c...@msbit.com wrote: Congratulations on the new website. It looks great. The designer did a wonderful job of listening to feedback, which isn't easy. Yes, kudos to Christian and the people who contributed feedback and content. I really love it ;) Btw, http://sugarlabs.org still points to the old static page. Also, what's the plan about translations? Regards, Tomeu ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] New sugarlabs website
Thanks so much, Tomeu and Carol! I think Bernie is looking into the http://sugarlabs.org issue... Walter and I had discussed translations earlier. We could either go the route of Google Translate, or turn to volunteers to help translate the content manually... Does anyone have thoughts on this? Christian On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 21:46, Carol Farlow Lerche c...@msbit.com wrote: Congratulations on the new website. It looks great. The designer did a wonderful job of listening to feedback, which isn't easy. Yes, kudos to Christian and the people who contributed feedback and content. I really love it ;) Btw, http://sugarlabs.org still points to the old static page. Also, what's the plan about translations? Regards, Tomeu -- anyth...@christianmarcschmidt.com http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com 917/ 575 0013 ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] New sugarlabs website
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com wrote: Walter and I had discussed translations earlier. We could either go the route of Google Translate, or turn to volunteers to help translate the content manually... Does anyone have thoughts on this? We can do both :) Generate POT files and have volunteers translate using Pootle, and use gtrans for those languages (we support) that aren't more than 80% (or whatever) done. -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Running sugar at almost-native speeds in Windows
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 06:00:02PM -0400, Luke Faraone wrote: Hi all, I was musing on ways to ease demoing for Windows users, and I thought of something: why not leverage the work done by coLinuxhttp://www.colinux.org/? They already have prebuilt imageshttp://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=98788package_id=122245running F10, so getting Sugar to run on them and packaging it up into a EXE shouldn't be too difficult (and might be something I'd have time for). What do you guys think? Interesting but you'd need an X server running on Windows, according to http://colinux.wikia.com/wiki/XCoLinux (IIUC). So you're still going to have to get them not only an EXE with coLinux, but one with cygwin/X or another (do free ones exist?) X server that runs on windows. Seems non-trivial. Martin pgpAcgIn6MMuc.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Running sugar at almost-native speeds in Windows
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.comwrote: Interesting but you'd need an X server running on Windows, according to http://colinux.wikia.com/wiki/XCoLinux (IIUC). So you're still going to have to get them not only an EXE with coLinux, but one with cygwin/X or another (do free ones exist?) X server that runs on windows. Seems non-trivial. It's been done, see http://www.andlinux.org/ -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] A culture of meta-cognition
This semester I've had the privileged of observing in some local schools as part of my graduate class. Today I was struck by how much good teachers talk about and think about thinking and learning. They explicitly tell students to think and reflect themselves on their thinking and problem solving. This is definitely something we want to keep in mind as we create curriculum and guides using Sugar. But I also am going to challenge myself, and those of you who wish to join me, to try to make it part of our conscious practice here. I definitely have role models to follow in this community. Such as David talking about and observing our collaborative group process as we go through Forming, Storming and Norming. I also think Greg's works in trying to have us purposely work towards a Starfish organization is very important and insightful. One thing I've been learning in these last few weeks as School, my day-job, and writing up long shot funding requests for Sugar work have all gotten in the way of day-to-day sugar-on-a-stick testing for me, I have seen a tremendous amount happen and new people stepping in. Its a real lesson to me in trusting the community and in remembering its a marathon not a sprint we are running here. Thank you! -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Running sugar at almost-native speeds in Windows
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Luke Faraone wrote: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.comwrote: Interesting but you'd need an X server running on Windows, according to http://colinux.wikia.com/wiki/XCoLinux (IIUC). So you're still going to have to get them not only an EXE with coLinux, but one with cygwin/X or another (do free ones exist?) X server that runs on windows. Seems non-trivial. It's been done, see http://www.andlinux.org/ Con: So, the principal difficulty with using coLinux with Sugar is that it uses a Windows-side X server, which provides its own window manager. We need to use our own, custom-configured window manager, in order for the GUI to work. (For the same reason, Sugar won't run over an ssh tunnel.) We could attempt to port some of the window management stuff to Cygwin, but... let's not. Pro: I just had an epiphany, though: the Xephyr-box approach (as used in jhbuild) should still work fine. The Xephyr window will simply appear as a Windows window. Con: VMWare Player is free and extremely fast. It provides all the functionality we could hope to provide through coLinux, and might even be /faster/. Virtualbox is Free and potentially similar. Also, coLinux requires Administrator privileges to run, so students on school computers probably can't use it.[1] Plus, it's insecure on multi-user machines.[2] Pro: If anyone gets Sugar in coLinux to outperform Sugar in a VM, there will certainly be plenty of interest. Until then, I'm happy enough with virtual machines. - --Ben [1] http://colinux.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ#Q0._Do_I_need_Administrator_rights_on_my_Windows_computer_.3F [2] http://www.andlinux.org/faq.php -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkm3CR0ACgkQUJT6e6HFtqRc9ACaAuuiHoQ9/tlkT/YeGhWcPSCz 7mQAoJhhDn/zzFQ3C3DmjaJ2Btvfgc6O =ISdN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Running sugar at almost-native speeds in Windows
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 09:26:59PM -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: So, the principal difficulty with using coLinux with Sugar is that it uses a Windows-side X server, which provides its own window manager. We need to use our own, custom-configured window manager, in order for the GUI to work. (For the same reason, Sugar won't run over an ssh tunnel.) Can't say anything about the first part, but the second is plain wrong (the box running Sugar shipped by lenny is in a different room - go figure how I prevent having to move my feet :) ). The window manager isn't tied to the X server in any way. We could attempt to port some of the window management stuff to Cygwin, but... let's not. IIRC no special porting should be required regarding X on Windows. It even seems to be able to utilize shared memory nowadays if configured accordingly [1], so performance should be OK. Virtualbox is Free and potentially similar. Also, coLinux requires Administrator privileges to run, so students on school computers probably can't use it.[1] Don't VMs on Windows require admin privileges to install and/or run (I honestly don't know)? [1] http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ug/using-shared-memory.html CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Running sugar at almost-native speeds in Windows
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sascha Silbe wrote: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 09:26:59PM -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: So, the principal difficulty with using coLinux with Sugar is that it uses a Windows-side X server, which provides its own window manager. We need to use our own, custom-configured window manager, in order for the GUI to work. (For the same reason, Sugar won't run over an ssh tunnel.) Can't say anything about the first part, but the second is plain wrong (the box running Sugar shipped by lenny is in a different room - go figure how I prevent having to move my feet :) ). The window manager isn't tied to the X server in any way. Are you using the sugar-emulator command? I believe this command runs sugar inside a Xephyr box, which creates a complete new virtual X server. This X server runs on the client-side, i.e. your Lenny box, with its own window manager, in this case Matchbox. Your server-side X server never interacts with Sugar directly. This approach should also work with coLinux. However, it has significant overhead (running multiple X servers will do that), and I'm not sure that it would allow the user to run in full-screen mode (as Sugar is designed to run). Ideally, the user would be able to resize the Sugar window as they please, including switching to and from full-screen. I know that VMWare Player supports this; I haven't tested anything else. Virtualbox is Free and potentially similar. Also, coLinux requires Administrator privileges to run, so students on school computers probably can't use it.[1] Don't VMs on Windows require admin privileges to install and/or run (I honestly don't know)? I presume that we can package up the emulator as just some .exe on a USB stick, to be run without needing installation. - --Ben -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkm3JZAACgkQUJT6e6HFtqSiKQCeOMTfRVJdxPPxCuDUuFJnkuJH elAAnjTiwXCChpTeKWDHEyk9rc6Up7pp =c3fC -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Running sugar at almost-native speeds in Windows
On 3/10/09, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sascha Silbe wrote: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 09:26:59PM -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: So, the principal difficulty with using coLinux with Sugar is that it uses a Windows-side X server, which provides its own window manager. We need to use our own, custom-configured window manager, in order for the GUI to work. (For the same reason, Sugar won't run over an ssh tunnel.) Can't say anything about the first part, but the second is plain wrong (the box running Sugar shipped by lenny is in a different room - go figure how I prevent having to move my feet :) ). The window manager isn't tied to the X server in any way. Are you using the sugar-emulator command? I believe this command runs sugar inside a Xephyr box, which creates a complete new virtual X server. This X server runs on the client-side, i.e. your Lenny box, with its own window manager, in this case Matchbox. Your server-side X server never interacts with Sugar directly. This approach should also work with coLinux. However, it has significant overhead (running multiple X servers will do that), and I'm not sure that it would allow the user to run in full-screen mode (as Sugar is designed to run). Ideally, the user would be able to resize the Sugar window as they please, including switching to and from full-screen. I know that VMWare Player supports this; I haven't tested anything else. I'm not sure that what you are saying about sugar-emulator is correct; the xepher xserver is runing on the box you are sshing into with the output displayed on your own box. X11 is fully ported to Windows, and supports full-screen. Simply add a runtime argument and it will behave as you desire with only one xserver client and server. Virtualbox is Free and potentially similar. Also, coLinux requires Administrator privileges to run, so students on school computers probably can't use it.[1] Don't VMs on Windows require admin privileges to install and/or run (I honestly don't know)? I presume that we can package up the emulator as just some .exe on a USB stick, to be run without needing installation. VirtualBox and VMWare all need drivers in the Windows kernel, so you are limitted to amazingly slow quemu. Finally, we cannot legally redistribute VMware and the interesting parts of VirtualBox like USB and rdesktop support. -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Running sugar at almost-native speeds in Windows
I used to use coLinux regularly when my contracts required me to work on Windows, and I contributed various info to their Wiki. If Sugar on coLinux turns out to be worthwhile, I will be happy to help with documentation. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: Hi, Hi all, I was musing on ways to ease demoing for Windows users, and I thought of something: why not leverage the work done by coLinux? dogi tried this, and it didn't work because HAL didn't want to run on a kernel without inotify, which it claimed was true of the colinux kernel. If the F10 build works with HAL already, it sounds like you (and he) are all set. Not so fast. F10 lives above the kernel. However, I assume that compiling a coLinux kernel with inotify is straightforward. Let me know if I am wrong, otherwise, let's give it a try. - Chris. -- Chris Ball c...@laptop.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.net/ (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
